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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 11:00 AM
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US embargo on Cuba 'has failed': top GOP senator (Lugar)
Source: AFP

US embargo on Cuba 'has failed': top GOP senator
Agence France-Presse
Published: Monday February 23, 2009


WASHINGTON (AFP) – The US economic embargo on Cuba "has failed," top Republican lawmaker Richard Lugar has said in a report likely to fuel momentum for a shift in US' decades-old policy toward the island.

"After 47 years ... the unilateral embargo on Cuba has failed to achieve its stated purpose of 'bringing democracy to the Cuban people,' said the senator from Indiana -- a senior member or the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, "it may have been used as a foil by the regime to demand further sacrifices from Cuba's impoverished population."

The report, entitled "Changing Cuba Policy - In the United States National Interest," is due for release on Monday.

It is likely to frame the debate on overhauling US policy after almost five decades of policy seeking to isolate Americas' only communist country.

Read more: http://rawstory.com/news/2008/US_embargo_on_Cuba_has_failed_0223.html
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 11:23 AM
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1. Ending the embargo would be a *hugh* economic boost for the US and Cuba
and especially South FL

Hope it happens - and the GOP chokes on it....
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 11:26 AM
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2. And after only 47 years
Who says the old dogs of the GOP can't learn some new tricks? In what remains of my lifetime, I hold out great hope that naked racism will no longer find a comfortable home in a major U.S. political party.

Hey, it could happen!
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 11:49 AM
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3. Strange. Cubans wanted universal health care and education, and they have it - but we don't.
Edited on Mon Feb-23-09 12:13 PM by Mika
Cubans did this under a "dictatorship"?

More clueless spin.


Been there. Seen it.




Democracy in Cuba and the 1997-98 Elections
Arnold August
1999
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0968508405/qid=1053879619/sr=1-2/ref=sr_1_2/102-8821757-1670550?v=glance&s=books
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 02:19 PM
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6. Because they know if you want it, you gotta take it. Nobody is going
to give it to us. They took it, and have it.
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 06:33 PM
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11. Cubans didn't take anything. The Cuban people built it from the ground up.
Before the 1959 revolution

  • 75% of rural dwellings were huts made from palm trees.
  • More than 50% had no toilets of any kind.
  • 85% had no inside running water.
  • 91% had no electricity.
  • There was only 1 doctor per 2,000 people in rural areas.
  • More than one-third of the rural population had intestinal parasites.
  • Only 4% of Cuban peasants ate meat regularly; only 1% ate fish, less than 2% eggs, 3% bread, 11% milk; none ate green vegetables.
  • The average annual income among peasants was $91 (1956), less than 1/3 of the national income per person.
  • 45% of the rural population was illiterate; 44% had never attended a school.
  • 25% of the labor force was chronically unemployed.
  • 1 million people were illiterate ( in a population of about 5.5 million).
  • 27% of urban children, not to speak of 61% of rural children, were not attending school.
  • Racial discrimination was widespread.
  • The public school system had deteriorated badly.
  • Corruption was endemic; anyone could be bought, from a Supreme Court judge to a cop.
  • Police brutality and torture were common.

    ___



    After the 1959 revolution
    http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/43b/185.html

    “It is in some sense almost an anti-model,” according to Eric Swanson, the programme manager for the Bank’s Development Data Group, which compiled the WDI, a tome of almost 400 pages covering scores of economic, social, and environmental indicators.

    Indeed, Cuba is living proof in many ways that the Bank’s dictum that economic growth is a pre-condition for improving the lives of the poor is over-stated, if not, downright wrong.

    -

    It has reduced its infant mortality rate from 11 per 1,000 births in 1990 to seven in 1999, which places it firmly in the ranks of the western industrialised nations. It now stands at six, according to Jo Ritzen, the Bank’s Vice President for Development Policy, who visited Cuba privately several months ago to see for himself.

    By comparison, the infant mortality rate for Argentina stood at 18 in 1999;

    Chile’s was down to ten; and Costa Rica, at 12. For the entire Latin American and Caribbean region as a whole, the average was 30 in 1999.

    Similarly, the mortality rate for children under the age of five in Cuba has fallen from 13 to eight per thousand over the decade. That figure is 50% lower than the rate in Chile, the Latin American country closest to Cuba’s achievement. For the region as a whole, the average was 38 in 1999.

    “Six for every 1,000 in infant mortality - the same level as Spain - is just unbelievable,” according to Ritzen, a former education minister in the Netherlands. “You observe it, and so you see that Cuba has done exceedingly well in the human development area.”

    Indeed, in Ritzen’s own field, the figures tell much the same story. Net primary enrolment for both girls and boys reached 100% in 1997, up from 92% in 1990. That was as high as most developed nations - higher even than the US rate and well above 80-90% rates achieved by the most advanced Latin American countries.

    “Even in education performance, Cuba’s is very much in tune with the developed world, and much higher than schools in, say, Argentina, Brazil, or Chile.”

    It is no wonder, in some ways. Public spending on education in Cuba amounts to about 6.7% of gross national income, twice the proportion in other Latin American and Caribbean countries and even Singapore.

    There were 12 primary school pupils for every Cuban teacher in 1997, a ratio that ranked with Sweden, rather than any other developing country. The Latin American and East Asian average was twice as high at 25 to one.

    The average youth (age 15-24) illiteracy rate in Latin America and the Caribbean stands at 7%. In Cuba, the rate is zero. In Latin America, where the average is 7%, only Uruguay approaches that achievement, with one percent youth illiteracy.

    “Cuba managed to reduce illiteracy from 40% to zero within ten years,” said Ritzen. “If Cuba shows that it is possible, it shifts the burden of proof to those who say it’s not possible.”

    Similarly, Cuba devoted 9.1% of its gross domestic product (GDP) during the 1990s to health care, roughly equivalent to Canada’s rate. Its ratio of 5.3 doctors per 1,000 people was the highest in the world.

    The question that these statistics pose, of course, is whether the Cuban experience can be replicated. The answer given here is probably not.

    “What does it, is the incredible dedication,” according to Wayne Smith, who was head of the US Interests Section in Havana in the late 1970s and early 1980s and has travelled to the island many times since.



    No one can say with any credibility that universal education and universal health care needs to be forced on any population. Castro didn't give it to them either. Together, nearly all Cubans worked hard to create the infrastructure and systems that they felt were essential for any progressive system.

    The Cuban people wanted universal health care for all Cubans, and they have it. They pushed for government that represented their ideals, and organized and formed infrastructure that enabled Cubans to create a fair and complete h-c system.

    The people of Cuba wanted universal education for all Cubans, and they have it. They pushed for government that represented their ideals, organized and formed infrastructure that enabled Cubans to create a complete and world class ed system, and they have it.

    Cubans want to assist the world's poor with doctors and educators, instead of gun ship diplomacy.. and that is what they have done WITH their government, not at odds with their government.

    Can Americans make this claim about their own country? I'm afraid not.


    Cubans want normalization between the US and Cuba, and they have thrown their doors open to us, but, it is our US government that prevents what the majority of Americans want their government to do - normalize relations. Worse yet, the US government forbids and has criminalized travel to Cuba by Americans - something that Cuba hasn't done.



    Viva Cuba!

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    harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 09:17 PM
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    15. Well said.
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    Spouting Horn Donating Member (310 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 04:07 PM
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    8. I've "been there" and "seen it" too
    Cuba is a complete and total mess. There are ZERO free speech/political rights. Speaking out against the Government is an automatic 3 year prison term. There are Interior Police on almost every street corner. They are there to quell any protests or uprisings.

    Virtually all private enterprise is outlawed.

    The hospitals are dirty and lack basic medicines and provisions.

    A high literacy rate (which existed pre-Castro) is useless, considering the only things Cubans are able to read is Government propaganda.

    That being said, the Embargo and travel restrictions are ridiculous. They should end immediately.

    That being said, the US Taxpayer should NOT "guarantee" or extend ANY credit to the Cuban Government.

    As it stands now, Cuba can pay cash for farm goods from the US.
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    Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 06:28 PM
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    10. Utter horse shit.
    Edited on Mon Feb-23-09 06:40 PM by Mika
    I simply don't know which Cuba you visited, but certainly not the Cuba 90 miles away from the Florida Keys. Not the Cuba where some of my family live. Not the Cuba I am now banned by the US gov from visiting freely.

    Things were tough in Cuba after the collapse of their #1 trade partner (the USSR) in the early to mid 90's, but no Cubans were tossed out into the streets because of foreclosures. As a matter of fact, even during the hardest of times Cubans expanded their social infrastructure, opening more schools and more local clinics and hospitals.

    Cubans wanted this, they spoke out freely for them, they ran for political office - participating in their government - and that is just how they got these very things, and because of this exercise of their freedom to create the government that represents their interests EVERY Cuban child attends a good school with good teachers, and every Cuban has a local clinic staffed by a good doctor.

    Your commentary on the lack of variety in news and information is BS also. Cubans, generally, are as informed as people from anywhere, certainly more informed that many Americans I know. There are a wide variety of foreign sources of news, from radio, TV, newspapers, magazines, etc etc, available at news stands, book shops, and many foreign newspapers are available to read for free at nearly all Cuban libraries (as is internet access).

    There are no "Interior Police on almost every street corner". I have just no clue as to why you would make up such an egregious story.

    I have visited Cuba many times prior to having lived in Cuba, and I've returned for many visits. I would estimate that my total time spent in Cuba is about 6-7 years. I am a surgeon, and have been involved in many exchange and training tours, conferences, as well as surgical missions - and I take particular offense to your comment on their hospitals being dirty. Sure, there were some medicine shortages, but that is due to the US's extraterritorial sanctions.

    Glad to see that even you are against the sanctions that have caused undue hardship on the Cuban people, but, despite that position, it seems as though you don't want Cuba to be allowed a fair playing field of trade.

    On a truthiness scale of 1 to 10, your post is a minus 50.




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    Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 06:58 PM
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    12. Simply beyond belief anyone would have tried that crap here, Mika! Thanks for making an effort
    to set the record straight.

    As our own Democratic Congressman David Skaggs told Congress, when he was attempting to get Radio and TV Marti removed from the filthy bite they put on U.S. taxpayers only to pump propaganda to Cubans, Cubans already get American radio and tv. I recall Canadian poster Freecancat told us she even gets American radio stations on her Walkman on the street in Havana, and god knows
    you were familiar with ALL this years and years ago.

    You may have read poster "Guajira's" comments at CNN's old message board about meeting a woman in Cuba who even knew the names of the columnists working at the Miami Herald, as she reads that paper regularly.

    Sad what these clowns will attempt to put over on unsuspecting people, isn't it?

    Thanks for setting the record straight.

    It may not be long now 'til more Americans get there and find out just how low down and dirty these liars have been, FOR THEMSELVES.
    They've painted themselves into a corner, haven't they? They probably never thought the rest of us would find them out.
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    Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 07:21 PM
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    13. I am stunned to read such hateful lies here on DU.
    Appreciate your addition info.




    As a side note, did you see that the documentary film, Smile Pinki, on the work of the charity I'm a member of, Smile Train, won an Oscar? Wonderful. Just wonderful.

    www.smiletrain.org
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    Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 07:36 PM
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    14. It's WELL DESERVED recognition. Desperately needed assistance to very worthy people.
    Didn't know you were connected with them, also. It really figures, however. Should have expected this! I'll bet your associates are very pumped up about this big boost.

    Appreciate your mentioning the documentary. It looks like a film people are already glad to witness.

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    AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 11:28 PM
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    17. Lucia Newman from CNN used to speak freely from Cuba
    CNN Havana Bureau Chief Lucia Newman has been a close observer of Cuba and Fidel Castro. She offers this perspective on the nation and the Cuban leader.

    http://archives.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/americas/08/13/newman.debrief.otsc/index.html

    Who's saying there is no freedom of speech in Cuba if Lucia was doing it?
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    ngant17 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-09 06:22 AM
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    21. more bs propaganda against Cuba
    let the truth be told, Cuba has been a model for development, thanks to the revolution, more people are able to participate in the democratic process than ever. Despite US terror campaigns.
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    sutz12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 12:02 PM
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    4. Nominated for "No Shit" award of the day.
    :shrug:
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    harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 02:20 PM
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    7. We have seen enough of these lately to offer one a day haven't we.
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    Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 12:44 PM
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    5. dupe -- link to original
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    KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 04:46 PM
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    9. When I rack my brains trying to think of a repuke who isn't a complete waste of oxygen,
    Lugar often comes to mind.

    Strange we weren't able to pick him off on the stimulus package.
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    Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 09:25 PM
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    16. Ahh cuban cigars.
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    Billy Burnett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 11:53 PM
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    18. How many times have we heard that the embargo "has failed". WTF would success look like? Iraq?
    Edited on Mon Feb-23-09 11:53 PM by Billy Burnett
    Do Americans have the freedom of universal health care? The freedom of free universal higher ed for all? No. I think America "has failed" then.

    Cuba is a success by comparative global standards.


    Lugar is an asshat. :dunce:





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    Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-09 12:04 AM
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    19. GREAT point.
    Kinda missed that in the headline.

    Kudos for pointing that out. :thumbsup:


    :hi:


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    Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-09 05:36 AM
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    20. Will never forget the surprise I felt reading the World Bank official's comments on Cuba!
    Learn from Cuba, says World Bank

    by Jim Lobe

    Washington, 30 Apr 2001 (IPS) - World Bank President James Wolfensohn Monday extolled the Communist government of President Fidel Castro for doing “a great job” in providing for the social welfare of the Cuban people.

    His remarks followed Sunday’s publication of the Bank’s 2001 edition of ‘World Development Indicators’ (WDI), which showed Cuba as topping virtually all other poor countries in health and education statistics.

    It also showed that Havana has actually improved its performance in both areas despite the continuation of the US trade embargo against it, and the end of Soviet aid and subsidies for the Caribbean island more than ten years ago.

    “Cuba has done a great job on education and health,” Wolfensohn told reporters at the conclusion of the annual spring meetings of the Bank and the International Monetary Fund (IMF). “They have done a good job, and it does not embarrass me to admit it.”

    His remarks reflect a growing appreciation in the Bank for Cuba’s social record, despite recognition that Havana’s economic policies are virtually the antithesis of the “Washington Consensus”, the neo-liberal orthodoxy that has dominated the Bank’s policy advice and its controversial structural adjustment programmes (SAPs) for most of the last 20 years.

    Some senior Bank officers, however, go so far as to suggest that other developing countries should take a very close look at Cuba’s performance.

    More:
    http://www.twnside.org.sg/title/learn.htm

    Pret-ty, pret-ty damned good, I'd say, considering how much it probably pained him to say it!
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