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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-09 11:47 AM
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(Senator) Byrd gives Obama heat over 'Czars'
Source: CNN

(CNN) — One day after his address to a joint session of Congress, President Obama is taking heat from the most senior Democratic senator over the recent appointments of a handful of White House "czars."

Robert Byrd, the Senate pro tempore from West Virginia, said in a letter to the president he is concerned the appointments of new so called 'czars' in the offices of health, urban affairs and climate change are not subject to Senate approval and could therefore shield information from congress under the right of executive privilege.

"Too often, I have seen these lines of authority and responsibility become tangled and blurred, sometimes purposely, to shield information and to obscure the decision-making process," Byrd wrote in the letter.

“As presidential assistants and advisers, these White House staffers are not accountable for their actions to the Congress, to cabinet officials, and to virtually anyone but the president," he continued. "In too many instances, White House staff have been allowed to inhibit openness and transparency, and reduce accountability."

Read more: http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/02/25/byrd-gives-obama-heat-over-czars/
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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-09 11:48 AM
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1. Byrd's right. It's time for this "Czar" crap to stop.
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-09 11:54 AM
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4. agreed
Maybe they need a czar of czars to supervise the czars.

And why don't they go by their real name, Ceasar?
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scytherius Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-09 12:09 PM
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6. Respectfully disagree
This Congress couldn't even oversee Bush White House. They were utterly anemic. I wouldn't trust them to oversee a bubble pipe. I don't like the Czar thing either but I'm done with trusting Congress to do pretty much anything that is in our best interest.
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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-09 12:27 PM
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10. That may be true but the Czar nonsense is shifting the perception to these being executive branch
functions rather than holding the feet of Congress members to the fire and REQUIRING that they do their constitutional duty in addressing the same issues. If we make Congress's job easier maybe we should formalize that shift with a constitutional amendment. We should also pay them less.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-09 05:31 PM
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22. Yep. n/t
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-09 11:49 AM
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2. Did he ever bitch about kkkarl rove, WH "czar" of everyfuckinthing?
I realize he's a thousand years old. Maybe he needs to pack it in.
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sutz12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-09 11:56 AM
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5. Actually, he did...
He's been an advocate of reining in executive power for a while.

I consider this a valid concern, even for a Democratic President. Obama needs to precisely define what these guys' jobs and levels of responsibility are.
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biopowertoday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-09 12:17 PM
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8. yes, and it is a very valid concern.
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-09 12:37 PM
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12. Well Byrd is the only one still around who remembers when there were real czars
So maybe he has a point.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-09 11:54 AM
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3. Oh please
Yeah Bobby, that's just what we need, more power and authority for the paper pushing blowhards in the Senate who can't ever seem to get anything done.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-09 12:12 PM
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7. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this "executive privilege right" just another made-up
legal roadblock perpetrated upon a cowardly Congress by BushCo? Surely President Clinton would have used it to shield himself during the famous Blow-Job Inquisition by Congressional Puritans, I mean Republicans back in the day--if it had been a legitimate use of executive power. Or was Bill just too afraid of the Reich-wingers to invoke executive privilege for something as potentially dangerous to the republic as a White House hummer?

My impression is that the Congress either allows or disallows executive privilege by its acquiescence or its refusal to acquiesce.

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sutz12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-09 01:21 PM
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14. You're wrong...
It goes back at least to Truman IIRC. I know it was big with Nixon in his little dustup and yes, The Big Dog used it, too. Bush has expanded it exponentially, or has tried to, but he didn't start it.

In many ways, the Executive Privelege question has been ongoing for many years.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-09 01:25 PM
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15. That's my point, sutz12. It's exactly that: a question. It seems that a strong Congress
can get around it when a weak one cannot.

But maybe it boils down to a showdown at the Supreme Court Corral.

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biopowertoday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-09 12:18 PM
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9. Thank you Sen. Byrd.
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apnu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-09 05:33 PM
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23. Where the hell was this under the Bush admin?
Just curious.

Seems to me the Dems have great principles and willpower when confronting other Dems.


:sarcasm:
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happygoluckytoyou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-09 12:31 PM
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11. RIGHT ON!!! no more czars... we need some...despots and kings, but enuf of the czars....
didn't russia "lose"....
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-09 12:44 PM
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13. Byrd's correct. We've had enough unitary executive and executive privilege. Our Constitution
contemplates three co-equal branches of government.
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marshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-09 02:03 PM
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16. Byrd is really going out on a limb here
I guess he has no reputation to protect--or at least no future plans since he's on the cusp of the horizon. He can speak his mind.
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Seeking Serenity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-09 02:55 PM
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17. Byrd gives Obama heat over 'Czars'
Edited on Wed Feb-25-09 03:13 PM by Seeking Serenity
Obama: I think Peter the Great was the best czar. He brought Russia into the modern age, up to that point.

Byrd: Are you nuts? It was Alexander II. He freed the serfs.

Obama: Peter the Great!

Byrd: Alexander II!

:rofl:
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-09 03:09 PM
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18. Byrd is 100% correct. n/t
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Lost in CT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-09 03:41 PM
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19. Byrd is on target with this one for a multitude of reasons.
Not the least of which is a Republic simply shouldn't have Czars to begin with.
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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-09 03:52 PM
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20. Grumpy Old Man
Byrd is afraid that Obama might send federal dollars somewhere besides West By God Virginia.
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alarimer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-09 05:29 PM
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21. I agree.
It's ridiculous.
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blueclown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-09 05:33 PM
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24. Byrd is 100% correct.
It is a shame that he is getting criticized by some so-called "progressives" for saying this, because it is the same thing he was saying about * the past 8 years.
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