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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-09 10:59 AM
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Holder Vows To End Raids On Medical Marijuana Clubs
Source: Huffington Post

Holder Vows To End Raids On Medical Marijuana Clubs

February 26, 2009 09:53 AM

Attorney General Eric Holder said at a press conference Wednesday that the Justice Department will no longer raid medical marijuana clubs that are established legally under state law. His declaration is a fulfillment of a campaign promise by President Barack Obama, and marks a major shift from the previous administration.

After the inauguration, the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) continued to carry out such raids, despite Obama's promise. Holder was asked if those raids represented American policy going forward.

"No," he said. "What the president said during the campaign, you'll be surprised to know, will be consistent with what we'll be doing in law enforcement. He was my boss during the campaign. He is formally and technically and by law my boss now. What he said during the campaign is now American policy."

The exchange takes place at about the 25:00 mark here.
http://www.c-span.org/Watch/watch.aspx?MediaId=HP-A-15821

Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/26/holder-vows-to-end-raids_n_170119.html
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lies and propaganda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-09 11:14 AM
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1. Victory in our court!
Hell yeah AG Holder!
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Wizard777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-09 03:03 PM
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26. We The People win our first victory in the paramilitary War on Drugs!
We must erase that line in the sands our government has drawn between we the people forcing us to figh each other for the governments Political gain, financial gain, and amusement. I'm believing Obama can unite this country more than ever before. God bless him and Mr. Holder.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-09 11:15 AM
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2. Good start but it needs to be taken further
Allow the states to make up their mind about medical marijuana and leave the DEA to get the shit off the streets that is actually killing people.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-09 02:21 PM
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20. Right . . .!!
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-09 10:25 PM
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52. The DEA are nothing but a bunch of thugs..
Totally corrupt fucking assholes. Lock those mutherfuckers up, IMO! :thumbsdown:
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sagetea Donating Member (471 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-09 11:27 AM
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3. Thank You!!!
I just got through with a relapse, I thought I could do it with out my medicine. It was pure hell.

Unfortunately, I live in a state that does not recognize medical mj, so for me it does not matter, I will go to jail anyway. Why can't they just leave us alone and let us choose our meds.? The prescription meds, will affect my kidneys, liver and heart, I fight just one battle now, why do they want us to fight more battles?

Funny thing, I stopped smoking for recreation when I was twenty, drug testing just came out, 20 yrs. later I use it for medication, I thought when I quit, I would quit for good.Didn't happen!!
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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-09 11:36 AM
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4. Yay!
It always ticked me off to see and hear about the DEA raiding clinics in California when we all know that there is a never-ending parade of heroin rolling up I-5, supplying the entire West Coast (so that the CIA can better sell the heroin it produces in Afghanistan (("Southwest Asia," in the link)) to the Asians and Europeans, but that part is just my opinion).

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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-09 11:40 AM
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5. I Need To Pinch Myself
again - change really has come to America
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-09 02:23 PM
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21. Cheers for sane policy by Obama and Holder!!
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-09 11:42 AM
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6. "Hey, stop the raids on oxycontin clinics, too. Smirk." - Rush 'DraftDodger' Limbaught (R)
Edited on Thu Feb-26-09 11:44 AM by SpiralHawk
"The principles of Republicon Family Values state that you must treat hypocrites like, um, whatever. Just get me my meds..."

- Rush 'DraftDodger' Limbaugh (R-Overpaid Propagandist)

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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-09 12:17 PM
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7. This is great. Marijuana will never ever ever ever be legalized, but this is good news.
Those who suffer must be aided.
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MajorChode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-09 02:36 PM
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23. Effectively he did legalize it, or at least make it a state issue
By not enforcing the federal laws, he is effectively respecting states rights on this issue.

It was actually very difficult for the federal government to make marijuana illegal originally because there was no authorization in the constitution to make it a federal crime. Nixon had to jump through a lot of hoops in order to do it.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-09 03:21 PM
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31. In a half-assed way, maybe.
This applies only to medical marijuana - they'll still be busting growers, and anybody who is holding who is not a member of a medical marijuana club.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-09 03:05 PM
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27. "Marijuana will never ever ever ever be legalized"... "A black man will never be president"
"A Man will never walk on the moon"

"You'll never fit a computer in a walk-in closet"

It's the 21st Century. Well past time to re-configure our sense of the possible, if you ask me.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-09 04:16 PM
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32. Ha ha ha ha!
Comparing the legalization of pot with the election of a black man and a man walking on the moon.

What else is up there in the stratosphere of greatness to you. The return of lawn darts? Cockfighting? New Coke?

DU cracks me up.

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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-09 04:20 PM
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33. We piss away $40 Billion a year on the drug war, most of it aimed at pot smoking.
Edited on Thu Feb-26-09 04:21 PM by Warren DeMontague
That's not including the costs of incarceration.

The Apollo Project topped out at about $20B, total, if I'm not mistaken. Of course, that was 1960s dollars, but that was for the entire thing--- and by any yardstick, 40 Billion a year is a big nut.

So there's a comparison on many levels. Beyond that, you said "it would never ever ever happen". My point is, a lot of people have thought a lot of things would never ever happen. If you ask me, that's a failure of the imagination- particularly if it implies we're going to continue pissing away $40 Billion a year to try to stop people from smoking pot from now until the end of time.

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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-09 04:28 PM
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34. I agree that the drug war, length and cost of sentences are out of whack.
Aim your effort there. I'd start with ending the raids on medical marijuana clubs...

Hey, looky there.

Beyond medical marijuana, recreational usage will Never Be Legal in the United States.

Ok, maybe if society falls and apes rise to fill the void. They know how to party so I'll give you that.



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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-09 04:36 PM
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35. I disagree. I think the absurdity of criminalizing a relatively benign plant that 60 Million
Edited on Thu Feb-26-09 04:36 PM by Warren DeMontague
otherwise law-abiding Americans use recreationally-- I think such an endeavor is doomed to fall by the wayside eventually, as are efforts to keep Gays or other minorities second class citizens. New generations replace the old ones, and the old assumptions, demons and bugaboos gradually fade away as well.

You may be right- or, I may be right. I do think, in my lifetime, I will see marijuana legalized, taxed, regulated and available for consenting adults to enjoy in this country. I hope so. Hell, I don't even smoke it anymore, but the inanity of criminalization and government trying to tell consenting adults what they can or cannot do with their own bodies, particularly when it comes to something as innocuous (as drugs go) as pot; it pisses me off more than ever.

I also think I'll see a human being walk on Mars in my lifetime. I hope so.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-09 05:04 PM
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38. Your gleeful arrogance is so charming.
Almost as charming as your ignorance about marijuana.

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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 01:02 AM
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56. I disagree with you completely.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 02:31 AM
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-09 10:15 PM
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50. This is one of those issues that should be left to the states (IMO)
The legalization of marijuana should be a state issue, much the way alcohol and cigarettes are.
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jmj217 Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 12:11 AM
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55. Alcohol, Tobacco, Marijuana, and..
Firearms should all be state controlled issues.
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 04:19 AM
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59. Agreed
On all counts
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-09 05:01 PM
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37. I can't WAIT to rub it in your anti-pot face when it is.
It might take a while, but it WILL be RE-legalized.

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bread_and_roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-09 12:40 PM
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8. Good! It's a start! (n/t)
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Rebubula Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-09 12:40 PM
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9. Good start
Let's keep going, Mr. Holder
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TheCoxwain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-09 12:42 PM
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10. Yippeee !!!


I am not a pot head .. but I think if you want to protect tobacco smokers then you should protect pot smokers too ..


Legalize pot! NOW!!!
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-09 01:14 PM
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11. Thank goodness!
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-09 01:23 PM
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12. sanity is returning to federal government
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montanto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-09 01:26 PM
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13. Yay and its about f'ing time too.
I know a guy who runs a legit co-op here in L.A. and the D.E.A. comes and tosses his shop up on a regular basis. He's been there three years, always passes, always law abiding, but they go through all his stuff regularly. Ball-busting bunch of bastards that they are. Very good news here.
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-09 01:37 PM
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14. Good.
n/t
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iamthebandfanman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-09 01:39 PM
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15. hooray! decriminalize now! n/t
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-09 01:40 PM
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16. Pretty much better directions all the time from this government
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droidamus2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-09 02:13 PM
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17. The thing is...
If enough states okay medical marijuana and enough studies are done on it to show conclusively that it has medicinal value then the DEA will be forced to take Marijuana off Schedule 1. Once this is done then it can become legal on both a state and federal level for doctors to prescribe marijuana. As more and more people become exposed to marijuana and the medicinal users they will realize the propaganda coming from the government about pot is just that, propaganda. This could conceivably lead to at a minimum nationwide decriminalization and maybe even legalization.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-09 05:15 PM
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39. "and enough studies are done on it to show conclusively that it has medicinal value" -- there have.
Just not here.

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happygoluckytoyou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-09 02:17 PM
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18. Vanna, Before-and-After----> R _ _ _ O _ Y C O N T _ _ M _ R _ N
Thats right.... you are the winner.... it is Rush Oxy-Contin-Moron

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Bette Noir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-09 02:19 PM
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19. Huzzah!
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-09 02:23 PM
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22. Sensible - even if only on a fiscal basis...
why in the world should the feds be wasting time and money on that?
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scytherius Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-09 02:42 PM
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24. Small steps forward. Awesome. n/t
nt
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groovedaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-09 02:54 PM
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25. Another step in the right direction - now time for FDA to reschedule. n.t
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IDFbunny Donating Member (530 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-09 07:33 PM
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44. Let's reschedule anabolic steroids as well
Edited on Thu Feb-26-09 07:39 PM by IDFbunny
There is a lot of misinformation regarding anabolic steroids. Let's restart research on this class of drugs. "Bigger, Stronger, Faster" is a pretty good documentary on the subject.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-09 03:05 PM
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28. EXCELLENT.
ABOUT TIME.
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slay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-09 03:06 PM
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29. Woo-hoo! This is truly GREAT news!!!!
Even though I live in a state with NO medical marijuana clubs, it's a huge step in the right direction. (Our state's #1 cash crop is marijuana, even above tobacco - and I live in North Carolina! That's how popular marijuana is.) :P :) :woohoo:
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-09 03:15 PM
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30. Enough with these pro-reality policies!
Is it me or does it seem like all the President cares about is doing the right thing?!

:evilgrin:
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-09 04:53 PM
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36. WOW. Holder the drug warrior? AWESOME!
Hell yeah - it's time to end the war on this proven-beneficial herb!

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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-09 05:21 PM
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40. Gotta love the real compassionate pols--Liberals, not Conservatives! nt
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-09 06:52 PM
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41. K & R for some compassion returning to federal government. nt
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IDFbunny Donating Member (530 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-09 07:23 PM
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42. A sad day for the cartels
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Grinchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 02:34 AM
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58. /Agree -- CIA will lose a lot of funding.
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Gamey Donating Member (421 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-09 07:33 PM
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43. Get it in writing...
Call me cynical, but States' rights were abrogated long ago. And nothing at the federal level stops Deputy nor AG Cletus Jethro (my apologies to anyone named Cletus Jethro) from thinking they are doing their job of making it hell for others in the name of job justification.
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NM Independent Donating Member (794 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-09 07:54 PM
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45. Now, THAT is change I can believe in.
Hells yeah :smoke:
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Fluffdaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-09 08:01 PM
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46. Smoke-em if you got them
Edited on Thu Feb-26-09 08:02 PM by Fluffdaddy
:smoke:
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-09 09:30 PM
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48. Unless you live in one of the 48 states where possession is a crime. nt
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Myrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-09 09:00 PM
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47. And herein lies the solution to the budget deficit ...
... end the "war on drugs" ... legalize and regulate and in some cases, make available Over The Counter.

1. decrease in jail/prison/parole populations and overloaded court dockets
2. decrease in violence, in the States and along the Mexican border
3. increase in tax revenue from the companies that will be trademarking/distributing the products
4. increase in tax revenue from the people buying the products
5. probably a jump in job creation for farmers, developers, chemists, etc.
6. (and this is my own theory) many who can't control their habits will likely OD - decreasing the "addictive" population and leaving just the 'casual user' ("everything in moderation"), thereby positively affecting the social outcomes.


:shrug:
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ms liberty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-09 10:05 PM
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49. It's about time! K&R n/t
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-09 10:22 PM
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51. Given his original stance, this is really substantial progress n/t
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-09 11:20 PM
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53. This is what--the 5th week of the Obama presidency? Progress every day, it seems to me.
Amazing.

Hekate


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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-09 11:36 PM
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54. Extremely good. (nt)
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 08:23 AM
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60. Keeping it illegal
provides political hacks with high paying jobs with benefits. Think of all the useless slugs who will have to turn to crime without the income they derive from agencies with the sole purpose of suppressing the will of the people. Their choices will be to either be paid a salary commensurate with their true value in the work force or become criminals.
Sitting in a cubicle playing computer solitaire isn't high on the demand list.
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riverdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 09:51 AM
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61. This is great news, and surprising, coming from Holder.
But I'll take. It still doesn't mean jack squat to most people as they either have no legitimate medical usage or don't live in a medical marijuana state, but it's a ray of light. Shine on.
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