Wolfowitz:deaths Won't Deter U.S. in Iraq

[Tinoire]

By WILLIAM C. MANN
The Associated Press
Sunday, July 27, 2003; 10:50 AM


WASHINGTON - The Pentagon's second-ranking official said Sunday he does not believe a mounting U.S. military death toll will erode Americans' support for restoring stability to Iraq.

"Iraq now is the central battle in the war on terrorism" and is vital for the safety of the United States, Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz said.

"The reports of deaths are terrible. Any American death is a terrible thing," Wolfowitz said. "But I think the American public understand that when you're fighting a war against terrorists, when you're fighting for the security of this country, that sacrifice is something that you'd have to expect."

Wolfowitz said he was unsure whether the upsurge in American combat deaths represented a trend or merely a spike triggered by the killing last week of two sons of deposed President Saddam Hussein.

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(The rest of the article is really a must read!)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A52909-2003Jul27

[JohnKleeb]

1. Rct Paul Wolfowitz was their ever that

Wolfy go try war ok then tell us whats it is like and then you might gain something for your thin little head war aint pretty and it certainly aint to be continious.

[mmm]

2. Everything he says is a lie or is based on a lie

He truly is a bastard thru and thru

[thebigidea]

3. phew

"We will stop at nothing! NOTHING!"



what a charming man.

[w4rma]

4. It's not like anyone Wolfowitz cares about is dieing (n/t)

[lebkuchen]

5. Of course not. The Chimpster isn't going to give up his oil.

Wolfie keeping his eyes on the prize, and no number of US troop deaths, nor a bankrupt economy and deteriorating US infrastructure is going to stop him.

Wolfie is a run-away train.

[uhhuh]

6. What the hell is he talking about???

"Iraq now is the central battle in the war on terrorism" and is vital for the safety of the United States, Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz said.

Huh??? I can't even type!!! Didn't the 9-11 report, JUST RELEASED, say that Iraq was not involved with Al Qaida?? I don't remember any terrorist attacks ever attributed to the Baathists, do you?

Who are the terrorists??? They first say that Saddam loyalists are attacking troops, now it's terrorists. Isn't it just a teeny bit possible that the Iraqis don't want us there? Or does that make them terrorists for attacking armed uniformed military folks who have invaded their country?

Vital for the safety of the United States??? There are 6 month old babies that would laugh at this statement. Ok, Captain Craptastic, tell us how our security is threatened now??? Even if, by some crazy miracle, Saddam was to regain power, or even a REAL terrorist sympathizer, how could they ever do anything to the U.S? Would they attack us with those papers detailing weapons programs? Aren't you the same idiot who said that we will probably never find WMDs in Iraq?? Wha are they going to threaten us with, goats??

Look out!!! It's the dreaded Iraqi goat horde!!! I've never been that much up on military technology, but I don't think anyone has a RPG or rifle that can fire thousands of miles. I could be wrong.

I notice that he doesn't give a rat's ass about Iraqi casualties. Well, of course not!! Those brown skinned people are all terrorists, of course.
Anyone remember the old days, when terrorists would claim responsibility for their acts to get publicity? It makes me wonder that this completely stopped after the chimp got in office. Even Bin Laden never actually claimed his people did 9/11. Now the government tells us who did what. How convenient!

[BiggJawn]

12. This is the NEW talking point.

"Iraq now is the central battle in the war on terrorism"

Let's see how this one flies. Too many people asking too damn many questions about that Man Behind The Curtain. Must deflect attention.Exhume the corpses of Sept. 11 and wave them under the Sheeple's noses to get their pea-brains away from the Truth.
And if THIS works, then we'll change the PNAC message from American Imperialism to Protecting Murka from Taerra. And we'll claim that Iran and Syria are harbouring Terra-ists, and thus we'll steamroll Congress again for a pre-emptive blank cheque and on and on it goes....

Wolfenstein should be required to meet the families of The Dead and tell THEM how it was "inevitable" that their loved ones died for OIL.....

What am I talking about? It would have no effect on that ugly monster. He has even less heart than Cheney, and casts no reflection or shadow....What would happen if he was exposed to daylight?

[underpants]

20. On MTP he linked Iraq to the Embassy bombings and the USS Cole

YOu see in his blackheart he feels and spins that 55 Airmen where in the Kobal towers as part of the containment policy and the USS Cole was only in those waters because it was helping to monitor sea traffic. So when alQaeda did those heinous deeds those people died because of containment policies aimed at Iraq.

THEREFORE Iraq is partly to blame for those deaths. See how easy it is.

:puke:

[SOS]

28. On Meet the Press

Wolfowitz's arguements had more holes than a Swiss cheese. Bordered on incoherent. Lots of anecdotes. He's clearly studied Reagans strategery of holding up one isolated example to make a case. The bin Laden commentary was theater of the absurd. The two reasons bin Laden has been attacking the US is the containment of Iraq! (OBLs 3rd reason, Israel v. Palestinians was, of course deleted). In reality, OBL wanted hs mujahedeen army from Afg. to oust Saddam from Kuwait. He felt destroying the infidel Hussein should be carried out by Islamic fighters. Saudi Arabia and Bush 41 ignored him. Then the US left the AF base in SA after the war, which was his #1 grievance. As to the mass graves he brought up 10 times, those graves were filled in 1991. Bush 41 urged the Shiites to rise against Hussein and then left them to twist in the wind with zero US support. Hussein then went in and slaughtered the Shiites by the tens of thousands. I've seen video from this and it was truly sickening. This bungled catastrophe is one of the reasons the Shiites don't trust the US now. Wolfowitz lives in a fantasy world, wallpapered with his own propaganda.

[diamond14]

29. is there a transcript ?? nt

.

[underpants]

36. I missed the first 5 minutes but when I walked in the living room

the first thing my wife said was, "He is really going after Wolfowitz"

Wolfwitz tried to be coy and sly but it didn't work.

[0007]

32. I picked up on that one

with his interview with Russert.

This guy ain't human he just dresses like human being. And if folks fall for this we're in big big trouble.

[underpants]

35. He also planted the seed for not following the "Powell Doctrine"

I personally think the Powell Doctrine is at least a good frame work to start with:
Know When and How you are going in.
Clearly defined goals and missions
Know When and How you are getting out.

If they had even tried to follow these their planning would have been much (at least existant) better.

Wolfowitz"There is no time table in mililtary operations"

-this is what the PNAC'ers want but they can't say it now. Remember that establishing a ground force in the Middle East is/was one of their pillars. W&Co. announced that the bases in Saudi Arabia would be closed and one's in Iraq established, that was when everything was going swimmingly in the war. Well guess what, that was the plan all, along only now..........................

[shimmergal]

34. He _does_ kinda remind one of a vampire,

doesn't he?

[Zero Gravitas]

15. Iraq now is the central battle in the war on terrorism

Well no-one accused Wolfowitz of being stupid (just of being arrogant and delusional) The botched Iraq war is now probably the number one reason for the Arab World and Muslim religous fanatic to hate the US! We have given the likes of bin Laden additional reasons to recruit terrorists so in a sense Wolfowitz is right, Iraq is now (although it wasn't before we invaded) part of the so-called "War on Terrorism".

[salin]

33. In other words - the US will be woefully unprepared for the "real terror"

because all of her resources have and will be spent on fighting the trumped up (diversionary) "war on terror" in Iraq.

[dragonquest8]

27. 100% second your post

staying Iraq isn't safe for the U.S. soldiers. they are Americans.

[ewagner]

40. I was take shouting at the TV

My wife kept saying, "I don't think he can hear you.."

No wonder so many "Merikuns" think Saddam had something to do with 9/11..or had something to do with Al Queda... these a-holes keep saying it over and over and over.............

[Bob3]

7. Another Day another Viet Nam Brown Acid Flashback

These people are insane aren't they? And they can't even come up with anything new. First the Death of Suddam's sons was suposed to quell the resistance, now the death has caused a 'spike' that will of course die down. Nutter than a shit house rat kids.

Dear lord, I remember just the very same words being spoken to justify our being in Nam. If you remember Viet Nam was a vital battlefield, the most important battle field to stop the spread of communism. Now they make sneakers.

Bring the boys home and put paul and his bastard friends in there. they want the country so bad, they put their asses on the line.

:hippie:

[Jeff in Cincinnati]

14. Ever read "The March of Folly?"

It's a good book by Barbara Tuchman, a very good and readable historian. The book is about classic cases of "folly" defined as a government that pursues a policy that is directly counter to its direct interests, when a reasonable alternative was available (taking the lesser of two evils doesn't count).

Of course the book features a large section on Vietnam, and Tuchman describes in painful detail (in hindsight) the process by which the U.S. government began to believe its own propaganda that if Vietnam fell to communists, each country in Asia would tumble one after the other. Tuchman uses a grisly metaphor to describe the results: "Walking into the propeller blades."

I think that's what we're experiencing here. The argument from the BFEE will be "we can't just leave or the terrorists will have won."

[Bob3]

16. Yes I did - good but painful - another good one is

"The Perfect War" by James William Gibson. It spells out the mindset of the establisment which dictated not only why we were there but how we fought the war. Things that to an outsider looked like Daylight maddness made sense to people with the right mindset.

And of course it's happening again.

[teryang]

8. He and the other neo-cons should be fired

...and indicted.

[izzie]

9. Why should it, this guy just sends people to be shot at.

He lives his nice safe life as others die.

[Zero Gravitas]

17. Exactly

No-one he knows will be sending off their childrend to risk their lives in Iraq, so what does he care? As a Conservative all he cares about is how big his tax-cut is and as a Conservative who is actually interested in the world outside of US boarders he cares about the foreigners being afraid of the US.

[saigon68]

10. SHOW THIS PHOTO YOU MOTHER FUCKER

<>

This same scene is repeated daily

I wonder if it will in the annual report to Exxon's stockholders?

P. S. That guy's dead.

[Jacobin]

11. lies lies lies lies

"terra terra terra terra".

One tiny little problem Wolfowitz you nazi creep. The Saudis cook up the terrorists....not the Iraqis....although that may well change because of your administrations idiocy.

Hey, Wolfy....nobody is buying the "domino theory" either, so shut the fuck up and go crawl back up under your rock.

[Palacsinta]

13. I've been having bad dreams every night........

about my draft-age son being in harm's way. My dreams are some mother's reality. NO.........you *&&^^%, this sacrifice is NOT something I understand or accept. NOT THIS WAR!!!!!!

[diamond14]

39. take action...there's plenty that YOU can do....take a look at

this group...

www.Democrat.com

we're the AGGRESSIVE PROGRESSIVES, and we are already meeting all across American towns and cities..to set the wheels in motion for

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[Tracer]

18. Wolfowitz Tells The Truth!!!!!!

Just look at this.

There's a "a great deal of false information planted all over the place."


(must be referring to Washington).

[librechik]

19. IOW: Bring Them On! n/t

[gratuitous]

21. "Now some of you will surely die securing our oil"

But that's a risk that Wolfowitz and his greedy buddies are willing to take. Real humanitarians, aren't they?

It's getting so I can't distinguish some of this crap anymore: Is Wolfowitz saying that the American public understands the cost involved as a reflection of what he really thinks or is he trying to dictate to us what we should think? I mean, either way it's reprehensible, but if it's what he really thinks, then this man is not just delusional, but dangerously so.

[MurrayDelph]

22. Moe Howard summed it up

in his Hitler parodies, he said:

"I will fight to the last drop of ... YOUR blood!"

[Jack Rabbit]

23. A vet's story

I am a veteran of the US army. I served one hitch of active duty form 1976 to 1979. I ETSd with the rank of SGT (E-5).

That was after the Vietnam War. I did not see combat. However, I will tell you what it is like to have your nerves rattled.

I was stationed at Camp Casey, Korea, in 1977. One day, the campany was called into formation in the afternoon, which was unusal for us. The First Sergeant was wearing a side arm. I had never seen that before.

The First Sergeant announced that a US helicopter had been shot down inside North Korea. There was no doubt in anybody's mind that the chopper strayed over the DMZ by accident. However, its that kind of thing that cause jitters.

Fortunately the whole matter was resolved peacefully in a few days. But I will never forget that momentary feeling of fear.

Paul Wolfowitz and the other PNAC chickenhawks don't know wht that's like. I wish they would shut up.

[UTUSN]

24. Where He Belongs

[saigon68]

31. WOLFIE ALL CUDDLY BEHIND BARS

Like to see this asshole in a cell down the hall from Milo at the Hague

[dArKeR]

25. Why doesn't Dean tell Wolfie to pick up a gun and patrol the streets

himself?

[Corgigal]

26. Wolfowitz:deaths Won't Deter U.S. in Iraq

A pretty bold statement since the American people are suppose to own the goverment. When they had enough then its going to be a repeat of Vietnam rallys here at home. I wish the American media had the balls to show the "average" American that last picture. Sure they can show pictures of Saddams sons all day long because it serves the Govt's interest.

That poor family of the dead solider. Probably just needed some extra cash for college.

[ElementaryPenguin]

30. Even though Iraq HAS NEVER BEEN INVOLVED IN A TERROR ATTACK ON U.S.!!!

Bullshit bullshit bullshit bullshit!!!!!!!!!!
:puke:

[caledesi]

37. The thus are really desparate!

Did you see Wolfie? The talking points were oh so transparent.

This man tortured children! (said at least twice)
This is the central battle in the way against terroism. :wtf:

This exchange is the BEST!

MR. RUSSERT: Mr. Goss, this is what else your report said, and I showed it to Mr. Wolfowitz; I’m going to show it again: “The evidence does not point to the existence of large stockpiles of chemical or biological weapons.”
REP. GOSS: That’s absolutely true. The evidence does point to a lot of denial and deception to hide and disperse those weapons, and that is what we’ve run into. We underestimated quite seriously and quite badly the denial and deception capability of the Saddam regime. They did a brilliant job of taking things and hiding them. When you start finding weapons of mass destruction plans under rose bushes in scientists’ back yard, you begin to understand a little built the depth of the distances they went to.

Now we are back to hiding the WMDs....it's pathetic

These thugs are trying to prove a negative...good luck.

[Monte Carlo]

38. I DO NOT think that's what America understands.

What with the rationalization for our dirty war in Iraq shifting like the wind direction, I don't think America really has any firm idea as to what we are doing.

I would love to see the clarivoyant Mr. Wolfowitz speak in such a way about our noble purpose when its his children doing the killing and dying. Resources are so easy to expend when they aren't one's own.