Bin Laden 'surrounded'

[Paragon]

A BRITISH Sunday newspaper is claiming Osama bin Laden has been found and is surrounded by US special forces in an area of land bordering north-west Pakistan and Afghanistan.

The Sunday Express, known for its sometimes colourful scoops, claims the al-Qaeda leader has been "sighted" for the first time since 2001 and is being monitored by satellite.

The paper claims he is in a mountainous area to the north of the Pakistani city of Quetta. The region is said to be peopled with bin Laden supporters and the terrorist leader is estimated to also have 50 of his fanatical bodyguards with him.

The claim is attributed to "a well-placed intelligence source" in Washington, who is quoted as saying: "He (bin Laden) is boxed in."

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http://www.sundaytelegraph.news.com.au/story/0,9353,8752173-28778,00.html

[trumad]

1. I say if this is true then good

Get him now dead or alive and be done with it... I hope they get him dead so he isn't used as a prop for the GOP convention. My only fear in this election...AND it's my only fear,,, is that they catch or magically make appear Bin Laden is handcuffs.

[Ohio Dem]

7. I agree.

Get him now so Bush can have his big bump in the polls in February or March. Give the people time to come back down to Earth and realize again how shitty this administration is before November.

[Born Free]

147. last ace in the hole

"Get him now so Bush can have his big bump in the polls in February or March. Give the people time to come back down to Earth and realize again how shitty this administration is before November."

If this is true it may be a sign that bush team is really concerned about low poll numbers, playing the Osama card this early will not keep the numbers up until November, and will allow the democratic candidate to regain momentum.

[leesa]

42. You don't even know that he was involved in 9-11 and you are calling for

his head. What kind of thinking is this??

[gate of the sun]

55. I agree

He was propped up as the perpetrator so they could invade Afghanistan and build a pipeline. We have no idea what involvement if any Osama bin Laden had in 9-11.

[sam7]

62. They have a video

released by Al Qaeda in which he discussed his planning of the attack and how he never expected it to be so successful.

Now tell me that the CIA made that tape. Come on I'm waiting.

[maryallen]

65. Oh, please ...

That so-called "confession" by Bin Laden came at the time when we were receiving weekly videos from the "fat Bin Laden" and other dubious figures who CLAIMED to be Bin Laden. Nothing -- I repeat -- nothing has ever been corroborated with regard to what Osama said and didn't say about 9/11.

If you haven't got anything else do, I encourage you to google all the pictures that our illustrious administration put out during this period of Bin Laden, and compare the "fat Bin Laden" to documented, certifiable pictures of the REAL BIN LADEN.

Talk about LIES -- this is one of the biggest that the administration told, and unfortunately, our "reliable, inquisitive" press let them get away with it.

[Intelsucks]

66. Are you part of that "no plane ever crashed into the Pentagon" crowd?

:eyes:

[mobuto]

70. The black helicopter crowd is out in force

today.

[Intelsucks]

71. And plenty of bin Laden sympathizers to boot!

I think there are people here who will actually be pissed if/when he is captured/killed. It makes me wonder exactly what they'll be doing when there is another attack on this nation... Cheering?:shrug:

[lostnfound]

75. That comment was totally uncalled for. n/t

[Intelsucks]

76. Are they, or are they not coming to the defense of a leader of a

known global terror network?

[bobbyboucher]

78. No, they are not.

Quit doing someone's bidding with your STRAWMAN screaming. If someone questions the validity of the White House claims that does not mean they support or want to protect Osama. The White House are the notorious liers, so quit attacking on their behalf, wheither intentional or not.

Keep up the bad work.

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[Intelsucks]

94. Your words, not mine.

The last time I checked OBL was a wanted man BEFORE 9-11 ever happened, so in all honesty, what difference does it make?

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[Intelsucks]

101. Good idea! I've never seen such bullshit in the 35 years I've been

breathing the air on this planet, and I live in Texas!

[Zhade]

104. Well, stop spewing such bullshit as you have been, and you'll be fine.

I love how those who don't buy the Official Story are suddenly Osama bin Laden supporters. What a reasoned, intelligent comment full of insight and...

Hell, I couldn't say that with a straight face.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

105. Bye-bye...don't let the cyber-door hit you in the butt on the way out.

[Zhade]

99. HAHAHA!

Threatening someone on a message board, in a big ol' scary voice! "Don't tell me what to do! I'm my own person! My mom says I'm handsome!"

Posturing on a message board - I mean, come on, how silly is that? Do you actually expect to intimidate anyone?

[Intelsucks]

103. Glad you enjoyed it, but I see no threats in that post.

n/t

[Media_Lies_Daily]

106. Those that make threats rarely admit guilt when backed into a corner.

[Intelsucks]

108. This is ridiculous. I did not threaten anyone.

n/t

[Media_Lies_Daily]

110. I rest my case.

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[bobbyboucher]

123. You are a tough guy aren't you?

On the internet. I bet you're not so tough in person though.

How about you.... nevermind.

Keep up the bad work.

[Intelsucks]

126. And boy, wouldn't you like to find out?

[number6]

134. like who ???

:shrug:

[number6]

135. no, I want to see Tim Osman ("Timmy" Osama Bin Laden) CIA

asset captured alive, so he can tell his story .

[displacedvermoter]

80. They wouldn't lie or mislead about anything, MWDs in Iraq,

eh?

[number6]

133. Proud to be part of the black helicopter crowd and

grassy knoll society ;)

[bobbyboucher]

79. Stawman.

What do you believe everthing that they say? If you do then you are a rube.

[Intelsucks]

83. Please tell me you are kidding. God, I hope you are kidding.

Do you mean to imply that you believe no plane crashed into the Pentagon on 9-11?

[bobbyboucher]

122. Duh!

Let me say this as clearly as I can, "The missing plane thing has nothing to do with questioning if it was really Osama, or some fatter lookalike, who confessed on tape to 9/11." GET IT?

To bring the "missing plane" theory into it is a ......... get ready for it...... it's a ......... bum-da-da-bump-bump-bump-bump-ba...A STRAWMAN!

DUH!

[chasqui]

82. WELCOME TO DU, SAM7

:toast:

[Fargin Ice Hole]

92. Actually he denied involvement, but said he was glad it happened

Does that sound like someone that wanted to make such a statment to you?

[Media_Lies_Daily]

98. The OSP made that tape. How's that?...

If you believe that tape, then I guess you also believe that the FBI knows exactly who the hijackers were.

[Valkyrie55]

124. Video Proof

I would point out that the supposed video was made AFTER 9-11. Anyone including you can make a video after the fact claiming responsibility for an event. Show me a Bin Laden video made BEFORE 9-11. Also if you do a little searching on the web you'll find that the U.S. "translation" of the tape is questionable at best. Several other nations including Germany listened to the tape and came up with translations that were wildly different than the American version. Now I'm not saying Bin Laden isn't responsible for the events of 9-11. I'm simply saying that if the best evidence you have is a tape that is conveniently "found" in Afghanistan, made after the fact,in a language you can't even understand, that you have to have translated for you by the government. Then maybe the case isn't as strong as you think it is.

[Intelsucks]

63. Who cares? The USS Cole bombing was enough. Fry his ass.

n/t

[Media_Lies_Daily]

109. No need to bother with evidence when gullible Americans will...

...swallow the official story hook, line, and sinker.

I bet you didn't even taste the bait as it went down, did you?

[Intelsucks]

117. Are you for real? I feel like I'm in a cartoon.

I suppose the numerous video tapes we've all seen of OBL calling for jihad against all Americans were just figments of our imagination. Or no, wait, they were fabricated by the CIA?

[bobbyboucher]

125. Do you speak Arabic?

Just wondering.

I think you might be the cartoon residing in the here and now, ala Roger Rabbit.

You sound typical.

[DuctapeFatwa]

84. "No need for evidence, we know he's guilty"

George W. bush

September, 2001

(decreed live on CNN)

[Wickerman]

2. Just in time for Sunday News Programs!

I knew it - its all to pre-empt Nader's MTP announcement that he is going to run!

Oh that Rove, he is a crafty bastard.

[huckleberry]

3. This can't be true - it's too far away from the election.

Voters' attention span isn't long enough to remember this in November!

[gmoney]

4. Guess BushCo couldn't hold out until October...

Sounds like Bush is being forced to play this trump card earlier in the game than he'd like to deflect the TNAG and WMD and 2.5Million Jobs controversies.

In a way, it's good news for Dems if they catch him now... it will give GWB another 8 months or so to keep stepping on his d*ck.

[Fridays Child]

27. That's what I'm thinking.

And Osama knows too much, so he'll quickly disappear from the headlines, after he's caught--unless they bring him in dead. Although, if Osama is offed, Bush's puppetmasters over at the House of Saud might be very offended.

Should be interesting to see which tightrope the bushistas choose.

[dArKeR]

5. How many called this if AWOLS poll numbers dropped! David Letterman

had this exact same thing in his monologue last night.

[Enraged_Ape]

6. Right on cue

With Bush's numbers in the toilet, and swirling down ever faster, what else could they do?

I know they wanted to wait until Oct.

[Nashyra]

11. If Bin Laden is captured

and paraded around like Saddam, there will be massive retaliations. Bin Lasen is not hated like Saddam was by his followers.

[mobuto]

12. So what?

Bin Laden's followers are the enemies of the United States and its people. Let them show themselves and be destroyed.

[Devils Advocate NZ]

18. Show themselves? Like they did on Sept 11?

Yeah, so what?

[mobuto]

20. So the way to avoid another September 11

is to snuggle up to Al Qaeda and refuse to arrest bin Laden?

No, we hunt them down, and if they attack us again they attack us again, but we need to do what we can to defend ourselves from terror.

Bin Laden - not Saddam Hussein, not steroids and not gay marriage - is the biggest threat to the United States. We ignore Al Qaeda at our peril.

[Sinistrous]

29. No. But re-humanizing Arabs in the media

and determining and dealing with their legitimate gripes and aspirations will do a whole lot more to defuse terrorism than creating a whole new bunch of martyrs for them.

[mobuto]

32. I wasn't aware that Arabs, humanized or dehumanized,

were really the issue.

I'm talking about supporters of Bin Laden, and it really doesn't matter how the media portrays them, just so long as they are killed or captured.

will do a whole lot more to defuse terrorism than creating a whole new bunch of martyrs for them.

The American general George Patton once observed that "No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country." I encourage all supporters of Bin Laden to become martyrs, and hope that the world will unite to help them reach that goal.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

38. Martyrs create more martyrs...we will run out of targets before...

..."they" run out of martyrs willing to kill Americans with whatever means possible.

[mobuto]

41. As many as it takes

I'm not suggesting we forget other efforts - like promoting democracy and civil institutions in Arab countries, fighting discrimination here, etc. But we cannot let up on the fight against Al Qaeda. If one generation of terrorists is martyred and another steps forward to take its place, well arrest or kill them too.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

93. I see that tactic is working remarkably well for Israel, too....

...and sooner rather than later, democracy, in the very same place you're defending, becomes a major casualty. And when that happens, they win.

Look around you, mobuto...do WE still look like a democracy to you?

[Zhade]

102. Damn good points, MLD.

Likewise, adopting IDF tactics in Iraq is not "winning hearts and minds" so much as causing hearts and minds to be blown up at an increased pace.

[jamesinca]

116. It din't work in Viet Nam either

There were even Ann Coulter style examples made of some of them. Remember the pic of the Vietnamese man being shot in the head out on the street? A war on nouns has never been won. Killing off all the brown people because they have jihads will not help either. Unless you are advocating for the extermination of an entire race or culture you will not succeed in this. Before you accomplish this genocide more people will sympathize with them and it will eventually turn into us against the world.

[DUmbrella]

120. What about the places it did work?

Germany, Japan, Balkans, etc...

[formernaderite]

141. promoting democracy in the middle east???

You can add that fallacy to the list of reasons I was against the IWR. Reasonably speaking, these are areas of the world that continue to chose to follow the more extreme branches of Islam. Are you stating we should be funding religon and supporting moderate Islamic sects? I don't believe we can go down this route. I'm not an internationalist, I think that each culture on earth needs to travel it's own journey without coercive outside intervention. It never works. The British handed the world the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, and converted Nomads into fat Potentates.
I have to say, as an atheist I find Islam to be a very coercive religon which adopted the worst aspects of the judaeo christian bibles by it's founder. No, I don't believe that the people who live under the Islamic yoke will accept western democracy. Whether we accept this or not, there cannot be a separation of mosque and state under Islam, which is why they have a system of law called Sharia .

[mobuto]

143. An an aside, I was for the IWR

but against the Iraq War.

Reasonably speaking, these are areas of the world that continue to chose to follow the more extreme branches of Islam. Are you stating we should be funding religon and supporting moderate Islamic sects? I don't believe we can go down this route.

No, I don't think we should fund religion. But there are still things we can do. We have enormous clout in the region, and we can put pressure on regimes to grant civil liberties, allow elections, build schools, and eliminate funding for extremist clerics. We've done that to a limited extent, but we need to do it a lot more. Of the 25 Arab states, not a single one is a real multiparty democracy. That's bad for Arabs, its bad for us (because the discontended Arabs tend to blame us for that and join Al Qaeda), and its bad for business.

I'm not an internationalist, I think that each culture on earth needs to travel it's own journey without coercive outside intervention.

Well I am an internationalist. I think history has shown that we live with one another, whether we like it or not. And we cannot solve, or even begin to address, the world's problem by turning our back on them. I'm not saying the US should wage a violent campaign to force our will on the world - that's Bush's approach and its not a winning one - but we need to remain engaged and involved and we need to do what we can to make the world a better place. As I understand it, that's what being a liberal is all about.

The British handed the world the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, and converted Nomads into fat Potentates.

That's neither fair nor accurate. For one thing, Arabia had been under a colonial yoke (the Ottoman's) for six hundred years, and before that it had been subject to the Seljuks. The Brits didn't crown Ibn Saud, Ibn Saud did. The Brits had actually backed the Hashemite Husayn ibn Ali. And the settling of the nomads was accomplished by him, not by the Brits or any other bogeyman. Was Ibn Saud a terrible ruler? Absolutely. But he was a Saudi, not a Brit, not an American, or anybody else.

, I don't believe that the people who live under the Islamic yoke will accept western democracy.

I don't think that gives them enough credit. People everywhere have the same common interests - to live freely and prosporously, without harassment and with maximum control of their own destiny. That real democracy has not been tried in the Islamic world does not mean it cannot be tried. I agree that fundamentalist forms of Islamic extremism are incompatible with democracy, but so are extremist forms of other religions that reject any authority but God. I refuse to condemn one billion people to tyranny.

Whether we accept this or not, there cannot be a separation of mosque and state under Islam, which is why they have a system of law called Sharia .

Well, that's plain false. While there are no true Islamic democracies (there are a few that come fairly close), there are a great number of secular Islamic states. They may not be democratic, but they function with a working, secular legal system. I am a critic of Islam as is commonly practiced. But there are a great many pious Muslim moderates, as tolerant as any people of any other religion, and I don't see why Islam isn't any more capable of undergoing a modernist reformation than Christianity was or Judaism.

Its not our place as Westerners to effect that reformation, but we can increase the liklihood of that happening by fostering progressive civil institutions throughout the Middle East.

[DuctapeFatwa]

47. Most bin Laden supporters don't know he's a CIA asset

They have just heard he opposes US imperialism.

[mobuto]

49. Bin Laden doesn't know that he's a CIA asset, and neither does the CIA

In fact, its a secret so closely guarded that its known by few outside the conspiracy theorist community. But that's the way it was intended. Plausible deniability.

Cheers.

[DuctapeFatwa]

54. Please refer to sig

:)

[mobuto]

56. Please refer to small text at bottom of this otherwise empty post

;-) Thanks


Paranoid Personality Disorder

A A pervasive distrust and suspiciousness of others such that their motives are interpreted as malevolent, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by four (or more) of the following:

1. suspects, without sufficient basis, that others are exploiting, harming, or deceiving him or her

2. is preoccupied with unjustified doubts about the loyalty or trustworthiness of friends or associates

3. is reluctant to confide in others because of unwarranted fear that the information will be used maliciously against him or her

4. reads hidden demeaning or threatening meanings into benign remarks or events

5. persistently bears grudges, i.e., is unforgiving of insults, injuries, or slights

6. perceives attacks on his or her character or reputation that are not apparent to others and is quick to react angrily or to counterattack

7. has recurrent suspicions, without justification, regarding fidelity of spouse or sexual partner

B Does not occur exclusively during the course of Schizophrenia, a Mood Disorder With Psychotic Features, or another Psychotic Disorder and is not due to the direct physiological effects of a general medical condition.

[DuctapeFatwa]

59. Interesting. and remarkably funny when viewed through the lens

of US activities around the globe over the decades.

[mobuto]

64. Snore

Spare me the platidunal bullshit.

[loudsue]

68. Mobuto, you should study harder...

In fact, why don't you just tiptoe on over to the LBN thread about the trial of the BCCI, and check it out. Maybe the whole trial is built on "conspiracy theory", but it sure looks like there are a whole lot of people, who have been screwed out of a whole lot of money, because they DIDN'T believe there could be a conspiracy!

As Greg Palast said: "Conspiracy theory is what it's called six months before the New York Times publishes it on Page One."

And while you're so adept at looking up definitions, try looking up: "Denial" and "ignorance".

:kick::kick::kick::kick::kick:

[mobuto]

69. Because of BCCI, therefore Bin Laden?

I'm sorry I don't follow. But then there isn't anything to follow.

And while you're so adept at looking up definitions, try looking up: "Denial" and "ignorance".

Ok my enlightened buddy, where's the proof that Bin Laden is a CIA operative? Come on, lay it on thick. Where is it? I'm sure we'd all be interested in seeing it.

[loudsue]

74. You must not have read the BCCI thread....

Or you'd KNOW "BCCI, therefore Bin Laden." Plus, you'd see a major "conspiracy".

:shrug: But maybe you're right! Maybe the BCCI is the ONLY conspiracy that's ever happened!

NOT!!!!

Another point: Why do you think the word "conspiracy" is even a word??? Is it because there has never been such a thing -- they just made up a word to describe "nothing"??? Use your brain, lad.


:kick::kick::kick::kick:

[Zhade]

85. He should study, period.

The funniest thing ever is that people swallow the Official Story Conspiracy Theory whole, just because the b*sh administration says "we have proof bin Laden did it, and no we won't show it to you, you have to take our word for it".

Where's the concrete evidence? They've revealed NOTHING. That "confession" tape is a crock. It's clearly not the same person.

[mobuto]

89. Uh, yes

Find me an alternate, credible explanation and maybe I'll buy it. Until then, I'm sticking with OBL.

[Name removed]

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[mobuto]

144. What the hell are you talking about?

Find me an elected Democrat anywhere in the country who believes someone other than Osama bin Laden blew up the WTC.

You're delusional.

[Zhade]

97. I'm talking about the idea of innocent before guilty.

The tape is clearly not OBL.

Leaving aside that laughable attempt - the translation of which, incidentally, was contested by more than a few experts in the first place - where is the evidence we were promised would reveal the culpability of the alleged hijackers?

See, I tend to believe that, even if OBL was behind 9/11, there's still this thing in America called "innocent until proven guilty". Of course, OBL is not an American citizen. Does this then mean we extend this ideal only to our own, in a hypocritical fashion?

I'm just saying we need a trial - like with the first WTC bombing - to determine guilt or innocence.

Oh, but then, there's one problem with that: more truth about the b*sh administration's complicity in 9/11, be it passive or active, might come out. Can't have that, can we? So, yes, by all means, let's kill first and ask questions later.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

100. The NeoCons don't want to discuss that at least six of the alleged...

...hijackers had previously attended U. S. military schools. That information might just make things a bit too messy to successfully explain.

And they certainly don't want to have to explain that the two flight school owners immigrated to the U. S. and established flight schools in Florida at the same time.

Oh, yeah...and how would they explain Junior's statement that he saw the FIRST plane crash into the north tower of the WTC? How was he able to do that when no network cameras were in the area until right before the second tower was hit?

[Zhade]

112. Again, all excellent points.

It seems you, at least, have not been thoroughly fooled by the Official Story. Thank god there are still people capable of independent thought and analysis.

[DUmbrella]

136. Man, get off this site and go read some history books

It'll all be clear to you then. It's people like you that give real democrats a bad name. Please stop.

[DuctapeFatwa]

114. The regime has decreed that the 9-11 events not be looked into too closely

I think most voters agree that this is probably the best decision for all concerned.

[mobuto]

145. Um

six of the alleged hijackers had previously attended U. S. military schools. That information might just make things a bit too messy to successfully explain.

Proof?

Oh, yeah...and how would they explain Junior's statement that he saw the FIRST plane crash into the north tower of the WTC?

What's that supposed to suggest? Other than what we already know, that Bush is an idiot? We know where he was when the first plane hit, in an elementary school.

How was he able to do that when no network cameras were in the area until right before the second tower was hit?

He wasn't. Again, so what?

[Ediacara]

31. I don't think the poster was against the arrest of bin Laden

But against the parading around of bin Laden, as if he was a trophy, as was done to some extent with Sadam Hussein. Parading around bin Laden may cause more retaliation than a simple arrest would.

[DUmbrella]

73. Parading Sadaam ?

All they did was release some video on the day he was captured to prove to the world that we actually got him. That was to shut up people like the ones posting on this thread from spewing their comedic conspiracy theories. Since then, we haven't seen anything of him. I would hardly call that parading.

So if they show him, you'll criticize for parading. If they don't show him, you'll accuse that they never really caught him. It's lose-lose with you guys.

[Ediacara]

118. The medical exam on television

IIRC is viewed in Arab cultures as very demeaning. You'll noticed I also said somewhat. I don't think that Hussein's television coverage was terribly excessive, but that the photos and television clips could have been more wisely chosen to both reduce his humiliation (and lessen revenge attacks by supporters), and to fall more closely under Geneva Convention rules.

[DUmbrella]

121. I think the oppisite

I think they should be happy that we were giving him the medical care he needed, no? I don't see the problem. But one thing I do know...if Al-Qaeda captured one of ours alive, they either be dead or in a bloodied state not fit for national TV.

[Ediacara]

127. what does that have to do with this?

You're right, it is nice of us to give Hussein a medical exam, but that doesn't mean we have to show the film of it on TV. The statement, "He has seen a doctor," should be sufficient.

And you're right, even though this isn't what I was talking about, if al Qaida captured American soldiers, they'd be in bad shape, but this isn't necisarily any better than what we're doing to al Qaida or Taliban fighters - even those that are US citizens.

And also: If al Qaida captured US soldiers and tortured them on camera, would that not also create violent reprisals from the United States, even possibly lynching of Arabs in the US?

I think minimizing terrorism, be it 9-11 or lynching of inocents based on their ethnic origin, is the primary goal we should have in mind when dealing with a "war on terrorism."

[frylock]

77. bring 'em on

:eyes:

[Yupster]

8. Time had a story similar to this

He is boxed in. The problem is the region is about 100 miles ny 100 miles, full of mountains and the Pakistani Army is not welcome there.

[mobuto]

9. Sunday Express?

Somehow I find it rather difficult to believe that the Sunday Express has an "intelligence source" in Washington, let alone a "well-placed" one.

I certainly hope its true. But the Express is to journalism as George Bush is to good government.

[Monkey see Monkey Do]

25. come now,

what about their highly placed sources which tell them that Britian is going to be flooded by millions of gypsies on May 1st.

(/sarcasm)

[mobuto]

30. Really?

Who's going to have to break the news to the BNP?

;-)

[Algorem]

10. Bush got his Rambo outfit ready?He's gonna have to go in alone and get

him for it to help him now,I hope.

[54anickel]

13. Did ya catch this line?

"The timing of that order will ultimately depend on President Bush," the paper says. "Capturing bin Laden will certainly be a huge help for him as he gets ready for the election."

[BigDaddyLove]

14. If this report is indeed true and gets picked up by a major........

American news organization, then Bush will have to make the decision a lot sooner than he anticipated doing so......if he waits too long, and everyone knows that they've been waiting for the most opportune moment politically to unveil their quarry, then the whole thing turns into one more fiasco.

[Roon]

19. Like the article states

the winter weather is keeping them from snatching him up at the moment.

[BigDaddyLove]

21. No, what the article 'states' is that the special forces.....

are "awaiting the order to go in and get him".

[Media_Lies_Daily]

39. Like they have to wait to do this...

...if you believe the story in the first place.

[BigDaddyLove]

44. I don't know whether I believe it or not........

but yeah, they do have to wait for orders to act.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

111. They've had orders since the beginning of the conflict, haven't they?

[papau]

15. LOL :-)

:-)

[saltpoint]

16. The Neocons have been fretting --

-- that their global business cartel has been stymied.

If we "capture" Bin Laden now, that clears the way for the Syrian invasion.

[Roon]

17. Hence the planned "Spring Offensive"

this is getting good!

[Wickerman]

24. Isn't it funny that the weather is such an issue

whenever its convenient for Bush* and Co.? Recall the limited window to attack Iraq? Ok, but now our troops are just fine as sitting ducks there?

There is always another bullshit excuse to maximize political timing gain.

[54anickel]

36. Bit off topic but, heck they use it for the latest UE numbers! n/t

[ScrewyRabbit]

22. I don't think this is news at all

They've been certain for quite a long time that he's in that region.

And I totally disbelieve the idea that he's being monitored by satellite. Look, we couldn't ascertain the true identity/purpose of BIG TRUCKS IN IRAQ before the war. Somehow I don't think Rumsfeld is staring down on OBL, counting the dandruff flakes on the guy's scalp.

[BigDaddyLove]

26. Or, one of the reasons that Rumsfeld and Friends aren't all that.....

concerned about the WMD in Iraq misinformation is because they know they have much bigger game in their sights that when captured and paraded about will make everyone forget all about Iraq......at least for a while.

[Praetorian]

23. CHANGE YOUR TITLE! BINLADEN CAPTURED!!!!!!

Event schedule:

WMD cache found in the high mountains about 25 miles to the northwest of Irbil (around 6,000 ft. altitude).
This site is already controlled by Special Forces and they are only waiting to release the types of weapons that they have "found".

At the same time, they will "find" that this site was being defended by Al Queda; there will be documented proof and likely communiques directly from Usama or his right hand man.

This will hit and cause the expected media frenzie and the expected rebuttals that this was all planted.

Shortly after, it will be the "capture" of Usama. He will be taken alive and "brought to justice" in another country. Bush will visit him with camera's galore and he will be video-taped with Usama in a chair before him.

Bush will be re-elected and we will all be screwed! Shortly after the selection, we will be at war with Iran, Syria & Lebanon.

At least these are my predictions.

[Terran]

28. Bush will not be re-elected on the strength of an OBL capture

It's just not that important anymore. If it happens, I hope it happens soon, so whatever bounce he does get fades. It'll be slightly more beneficial to him than Saddam's capture, but not much.

[whatelseisnew]

35. on the other hand

He'll be pulling the proverbial wool over the sheeps' eyes, so to speak, and be regarded as not just the war prez but the war winning prez, flaring his nostrils with a big flag in the background.

[Intelsucks]

53. It is important. Everybody wants to see that fucker hang by his balls

Myself included. I hope they DON'T take him alive... Just pop a cap in his ass on the spot and be done with it.

[bobbyboucher]

81. You're tough.

Hey tough guy, afraid of a trial?

[Intelsucks]

86. What's that supposed to mean?

And why are you following me all over this thread? What exactly do YOU think Mr. know-it-all? Please enlighten us all with your infinite wisdom.

[bobbyboucher]

128. You need checking,

your obvious apologetic posts need to be smashed. As for "what is that supposed to mean?", just that your words make it sound like you think you are tough, kind of like a "chickenhawk". Comprend?

[Zhade]

113. I, personally, don't want to see OBL's balls, hung from them or not.

I'd just like to see a believable trial with independent evidence.

But then, I'd like to own an island, too. Neither is likely to happen, sadly.

[number6]

137. me too

I'd just like to see a believable trial with independent evidence.

[loudnclear]

130. Don't worry, he will not allow himself to be taken alive.

He wouldn't give us the satisfaction.

[Crachet2004]

138. Even if it happens as you say...

Bush is in trouble in the election. OBL=5% bump. To find WMD would help the GOP a little more. I am amazed they haven't found/planted them before now! Saving them up, I guess. They'll eventually turn up though. Would truthbenders like Bushco pass that coup up? I don't think so.

But as always, it will be the economy that decides the whole thing. If prices at the pump stay high and job growth stays low, he is history. If Opec keeps production down, as they say they intend to, fuel prices will stay high and job creation will stay low; exacerbated by the whole world continuing to dump dollars for euros. Dollar-dumping and sky-high fuel prices will eventually cause inflation. If this happens, they can capture three more Saddams, five Ben Ladens and twenty thermonuclear devices and it won't matter. They will lose.

Or, if someone can beyond the shadow of deniability nail him on the cocaine or the Flynt accusation, he will lose...and capturing a whole 12-pack of Ben Ladens won't save him. Or if he keeps shooting off his mouth saying things like, "it's good for the American economy to export jobs", he will lose.

Realistically, I think he is gonna lose-and no amount of PT Barnum will save him. And good riddance!

[porkrind]

33. How will they frame the photo-op?

He has probably been in a prison cell for months. When they finally plant him in the wild to create the perfect triumphant capture for CNN, how will they do it? I'm sure he will be placed in the most degrading circumstances. Will he be found in another "spider hole?" No, we did that already. ;)

[54anickel]

45. If he's still alive. I'm thinking they'll have to thaw him out so the

only "photo-op" will be like Saddam's sons. Although Shrub is reportedly an avid fisherman/hunter. Perhaps a trophy shoot?

[Yavin4]

34. Bush Hates To Lose

and he hates to be down in the polls if only for a while. His first bad polling data in a while, and he gets desperate. First, he goes on MTP. Then, the Daytona 500. Then, the Kerry had an affair planted story that went no where, and now he's playing his trump card in February. This is like a panicky baseball manager bringing in his ace closer in the 3rd inning because he's down 2 runs.

I hope they capture Bin Laden now, instead of August. Bush will get a bounce, but it won't be sustainable until election day.

[Intelsucks]

37. Not too hard to believe, really

If it's the area known as Baluchistan, then this news is well over a year old. Supposedly, Baluchistan is the same place that Ramsey Yousef fled to after the 1993 WTC bombing.

[seabeyond]

40. it was their job

to get bin laden. should be an expectation, no more. good for us, now lets get on with it

[rodbarnett]

43. Another source Gordon Thomas LINK

Bin Laden 'boxed in' by US soldiers

February 22, 2004
OSAMA bin Laden is reportedly surrounded by United States special forces in a mountain range that straddles north-west Pakistan and Afghanistan.

Internationally respected investigative journalist and author Gordon Thomas says the al-Qaida terror group leader has been sighted for the first time since 2001 and is being monitored by satellite.

In a report to be published in a British newspaper, Thomas says bin Laden is in a mountainous area to the north of the Pakistani city of Quetta.

The region is said to be a stronghold for bin Laden supporters and the terror kingpin is estimated to have 50 of his fanatical bodyguards by his side.

Thomas attributes his report to "a well-placed intelligence source" in Washington who is quoted as saying: "He (bin Laden) is boxed in

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,8754564%255E401,00.html

[Robb]

50. Good old Gordon Thomas...

...who brought you such hard-hitting headlines as US Spy Tapes Reveal Diana Was Pregnant. :eyes:

[mobuto]

52. Was that before or after

Mossad or the CIA or Michael Jackson killed her to allow Prince Charles to marry Camilla Parker Bowles? All part of the plan...

;-)

[54anickel]

46. Obviously, Bushco wants to nip this one in the bud.

Heck, before it even hit the US press.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=377325

[osaMABUSh]

48. Now? Can't believe it - way too early for the repukes...

Perhaps it is out of their hands. Let's hope he is dead and be done with it.

Al Qaeda, however, will, of course, live on. If this is such a loosely coupled 'group' as we believe then Shrub's, and frankly everyone's (incuding Dems to a greater extent) focus on Bin laden will have been over hyped if we see Al Qaeda continue to wreak havoc.

It'll be like * saying that Saddam's capture will end the attacks in Iraq. Bin Laden's capture or death may actually serve to motivate the radicals even more.

[0007]

51. Sounds fishy -- I think they already have him

[mobuto]

58. Nope they don't have Bin Laden

News would leak - or at least they'd be scared it would. The US Government can't keep much of anything secret, and even if they could, word would come from the Pakistanis or Afghanis who would necessarily be in the know.

It would be impossible to keep word of OBL's capture secret for more than 24-48 hours, max.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

57. Maybe they decided

to get to get him out the freezer that he's been stored in for the past one or two years.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

60. This just in:

Bin Laden has been spotted chillin' with along with, Bashar Assad, Mohammad Khatami, Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez, John Kerry, John Edwards and possibly The Dixie Chicks. Stay tuned....

[Whoa_Nelly]

61. US Security Flaw Means Bin Laden Is OK To Fly -- 2/19/04

Very strange....hmmmm

US Security Flaw Means Bin Laden Is OK To Fly

Since September 11th an extensive list has been drawn up of names of suspected terrorists and their associates. This list is cross-referenced on airport computers against passenger lists as a standard security check.
A failure of that security was found when the name Osama bin Laden was entered into the database by an airline official and the name was promptly given clearance to proceed from the security checkpoint to be issued a boarding pass.


http://www.shortnews.com/start.cfm?id=37164&rubrik1=Current%20Events&rubrik2=Crimes&rubrik3=Terrorism&sort=1&start=1

[54anickel]

67. LOL Too funny! Tax dollars hard at work again I see. n/t

[loudsue]

72. This is bull...they've known where Binnie was for a long time.

If they're just now "surrounding him" -- if it's even true -- you can count on it that all the very wealthy republican "think tankers" have cooked up a scenario that will be a little more effective than the capture of Saddam. Saddam didn't bring shrub a big enough bump in the polls to satisfy these people that their money has been well-spent.

:tinfoilhat:Just a little scenario I can easily see happening; :tinfoilhat:

They bring in Binnie, and then all the conservative Muslims (who support Binnie) in the U.S. and abroad, start sniper-shooting and terrorizing Americans in every way possible. They somehow involve Syria, and even military involvement in Pakistan..maybe a little intense military stand-off or a nuke here and there, for good measure (since we KNOW Rummy, Wolfowitz & Pearle have been DYING to nuke someone). Then, Bush declares Martial Law for a time (shows extreme power). But before the people have enough time to get sick of it, he SUSPENDS Martial Law, and then the elections come.

Meanwhile, his campaign chest of $200 million grows to $500 million, and the campaign commercials paint shrub as the best thing since soft-spread margarine. The masses are so RELIEVED that Binnie was caught, and that the U.S. is so dramatically "saved" from all these various evil-doers, that shrub's poll numbers (as deceptively portrayed by the media) APPEAR to be legitimate, and the voting machines all count votes for him, and the masses believe it was a land-slide.

BOOM! We have another 4 years of madness, rape, pillage and plunder.

:tinfoilhat: End of tin foil hat commentary. :tinfoilhat:

[mobuto]

91. They've known where Binnie was for a long time

Oh really?

Where's the proof?

My problem is that they haven't known where "Binnie's" been for a long time.

[Fovea]

90. too bad they won't take him alive

truth is more powerful than revenge.

[Whoa_Nelly]

115. Why no news on CNN??

Have been watching CNN Headline News all morning, and no mention of the OBL capture news.

[Ediacara]

119. because it didn't happen

[Mr_E_Train]

129. Oh thats so sad.

First time checking this board out. I thought the Clinton haters were nuts. Sure I didn't agree with the man, but my dispute was policy. The Clinton haters were just loony. They believed that Clinton was going to declare marshal law just prior to the Gore Bush election just so he could stay in power. The conspiracy theories made my head hurt. Instead of keeping the debate in the realm of the real world they had to spin these bizzaro and sinister stories.

I never thought I would see anything so silly again in politics. I was wrong. The Bush haters have an order of magnitude further than the loony Clinton haters. I'm seriously starting to wonder if the Democrat party is starting to go the way of the Wigs. Such a thing would harm the nation as a whole. The whole system is set up so that each party and branch of government keeps the others honest. If the Dem's go spinning of into the ether then things could get loopy until another serious party takes shape.

Don't get me wrong. Real conspiracies happen, but conspiracies are like machines. The more moving parts you have the more likely the thing will break down, especially when so many people are looking for the conspiracy.

When you allow your political views to take you to the point where you hate Bush... a transitory figure in American politics... more than a world wide movement to tear down western civilization, enslave women, end free speech, freedom of religion, and kill your fellow citizen, indeed to KILL YOU... then you have allowed passion to overcome common sense and betrayed the highest of Democratic ideals.

[C_eh_N_eh_D_eh]

132. Oh, Bush is a transitory figure, all right.

And ironically, the kind of transition he's trying to cause will involve tearing down western civilization, enslaving women, ending free speech, ending freedom of religion, and killing your fellow citizens.

Nobody is saying that OBL and his cadre of fanatics aren't a threat. What we're saying is that the Bush administration constitutes an even bigger one.

It takes two things to topple a conspiracy: people to look for it, and a public willing to see it for what it is. We've got the former, but the latter's been a long time in coming.

[Stuckinthebush]

140. You'll always have conspiracy theorists

and you have a few here as well as a few on right wing boards. It would be silly to assume that the beliefs of a few are representative of the whole. I will take it on faith that this is your first time on this board, so go to a number of different threads to understand the level of intelligence here as opposed to right wing sites.

As for hating Bush, I don't need conspiracy theories to hate the man. He has done enough documented damage for me to hate him. Let me correct that - I pity him - I hate his actions.

[DisgustedTX]

131. We need no evidence - we have MoBUSHto!

The "turn the sand into glass" crowd emerges.

[TeeYiYi]

139. Was that "boxed in" or "IN A BOX" ??? .....n/t

TYY

[TeeYiYi]

142. Typical Shrub* daily shell game . . .

. . . time to dust off and trot out the official BFEE bogey man.


TYY

[Moderator]

146. Locking

I started removing all the personal attacks in this thread, and then realised there wouldn't be very much thread left. So I'm just going to lock it.