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rodbarnett Donating Member (577 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 04:31 PM
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Poll: Many Americans Support TV Executions
NEW YORK -- Two-thirds of Americans polled last month said they support the idea of televising executions -- and 21 percent said they'd pay to watch Osama bin Laden put to death.

Eleven percent said they would pay to see Saddam Hussein executed.

The opinions on executions came in a poll taken by Harris Interactive for the Trio cable channel.

Even though the poll found support for the idea, 54 percent said they wouldn't watch an execution on television.

Harris Interactive interviewed 1,017 Americans aged 18 or older at random Jan. 24-26. The margin of error for the sample is plus or minus 3.1 percentage points.

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/wire/sns-ap-tv-televised-executions,0,5963236.story?coll=sns-ap-nationworld-headlines

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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 04:32 PM
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1. Snuff TV. "Running Man" anyone? n/t
n/t
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tlcandie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 04:34 PM
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4. Yup ... thought exactly the same!
What year did that come out and how long did it take us to become sci-fi?
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benfranklin1776 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 05:03 PM
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19. The book came out in 1982.
Edited on Mon Feb-23-04 05:10 PM by benfranklin1776
When Reaganomics was last ravaging the landscape.

http://www.booksfactory.com/writers/king.htm
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 07:06 AM
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61. THUMBSCREWS and TESTICLE CRUSHERS on Live TV
Hear the screams, hear the shrieks, oh Lord why hast thou forsaken me? hear the sobbing children as their father is put to death on live TV </humanity>

The people who want this type of fare, need instant medication and intervention counseling for their MENTAL ILLNESS

They are probably DEVOTED FANS of the sub-humanoid thug "CHIMPANZEE McSHRUB"
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benfranklin1776 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 04:53 PM
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15. Indeed. Mr. King (aka Bachman) was prescient when he penned that book.
Certainly the standard of living is declining towards that depicted in the book. Look at the trend of reality tv towards the ever more bizarre and degrading. The Running Man was the ulitmate perverted reality show, and based on this poll, it looks, regrettably, like it would be quite popular amongst folks. A penchant for bloodthirstiness has apparently not been eliminated by the thin fragile veneer of civilization which has been arduously built over the centuries since the gladiatorial games of old.


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laylah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 07:24 AM
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63. Great minds
think alike :toast: That was my first thought also. What a decadent, uncaring society we have become.

Jenn
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tlcandie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 04:33 PM
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2. YET another reason to leave the TV OFF!!! Permanently!!!
:puke:

Guess this was what reality tv was for.. a precursor to warm everyone up to the unthinkable!
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GOPisEvil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 04:33 PM
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3. So puritan, and yet so bloodthirsty...
...sometimes I don't get this place at all.
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 04:55 PM
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17. Actually, those things are intimately related
One might say, 'joined at the hip' in fact, if it weren't a bad pun.

Here, this link explains it all, as does the book it's drawn from:
http://notbored.org/reich.html

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djg21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 09:25 PM
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42. A question to consider!
Edited on Mon Feb-23-04 09:27 PM by djg21
While I am adamantly anti-death penalty, I strongly believe that if you are to have a death penalty, executions should be public events, and yes, they should be on TV.

My thought is that if people actually had the opportunity to see executions, the death penalty would soon be a thing of the past. While it may be easy for some to support a death penalty in theory, when there is no opportunity to actually see executions carried out, I wonder to what extent that support will remain when we can sit in our living rooms and see executions in gory detail? When we can no longer be detached and protected from something that no doubt will make most people uncomfortable, to say the least?


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Tiberius Donating Member (798 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 11:44 PM
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52. Great point but there is a risk.
You are wagering that those that would choose to watch might be horrified and change their position to oppose the death penalty.

My contention is that if you're sick enough to actually watch that, or pay money for it, then I have to wonder about you to begin with. Personally I wouldn't take the risk of providing another sick spectacle for the idiot masses to swallow.

I would never willingly *choose* to watch the death of another person. I'm already opposed to the death penalty; I don't need to see the barbaric nature of it with my own two eyes. Second hand accounts are good enough. It's not pretty.
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Bonhomme Richard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 04:35 PM
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5. As a nation we have become sick, sick, sick............
sick, sick, sick.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 04:36 PM
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6. I favor tv executions for people --
-- who favor tv executions.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 04:47 PM
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11. Ditto!
:thumbsdown:
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 06:55 PM
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33. How about those that refuse to delay executions for good cause?
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 04:36 PM
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7. just like 'the games' in ancient Rome
maybe the state of Georgia is right. Maybe there is no such thing as evolution. Maybe humans are just as stupid and vicious as they have been for the past 50K+ years.

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kitkatrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 08:52 PM
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39. No, we evolve, just not all of us,
and definitely not at the same time. Since we don't have to particularly use our smarts to survive, a lot of undesirable genes stay in the pool. :(

But really, it seems like we're repeating the ancient Romans. And we all know what happened to them. :(
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 04:37 PM
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8. How did I ever get here?
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dawn Donating Member (876 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 04:39 PM
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9. Sick, just sick.
I don't buy this at all. Sorry, I think their data is skewed.
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Catt03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 09:22 PM
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41. I agree
I can't understand the numbers. Where do they get the 2/3 fraction?

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Bonhomme Richard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 04:42 PM
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10. Maybe it's time to pack up and move to Canada.
Somewhere on the coast.
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 04:51 PM
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12. Outer Limits episode
From about five years ago.

It was called "Judgement Day".

It starred Molly Ringwald and Chris Elliot. About a TV show that televises executions in the pseudo-journalistic manner of America's Most Wanted.

It's one of the best -- watch it the next time it is on!

--bkl
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Lori Price CLG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 04:51 PM
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13. ...As long as...
As long as the executions are those that have been guilty of committing acts of treason against the United States... and we know who they are. Hint: It's not 'al Qaeda,' but al Qaeda's employer, a lot closer to home. The coupmeisters.

Cheers,
Lori Price
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DuctapeFatwa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 04:51 PM
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14. How many would pay to watch peoples' kids "interrogated?"

It is US policy to seize family members, including wives and children, of individuals they suspect of opposing US military operations in its extra-territorial properties around the globe.

Harris should do a poll on how many Americans would pay to watch that.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 04:54 PM
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16. that is really just sick
that just cannot be. a wow. hm. i love the quote from bible

eye for an eye
tooth for a tooth

what is always used in this issue, but the bible quoters never finish it

vengence is mine sayeth the lord.

saying we arent here for vengence, they get it in later time

i dont fight this issue. mine is this is what the people decided, but understand if innocent are being murder, in my opion takes it all off the table and certainly no desire to watch. cant watch fear factor eating bugs either.
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PartyPooper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 04:58 PM
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18. Will these same blood-thirsty idiots ask for a refund
if the person executed on live tv is later found to be innocent of his / her crime?

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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 05:13 PM
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26. Appears to be another
proven attempt to silent the unhappy citizens. One: this feeds the ignorant with visions of justice, and two: this creates a wall of fear for the more informed.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 05:04 PM
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20. Totally not surprising.....HEy ULTIMATE REALITY TV!!
Morons.
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 05:07 PM
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21. You can sit in court
but you can't go to an execution? Isn't the justice system supposed to be open to the public? Why is it that the only part of the justice system we can't see is the only part that involves taking another person's life. Perhaps these people's support of the death penalty would crumble if only they saw an execution. If executions must be carried out in the middle of the night where nobody can see it, perhaps we shouldn't have them at all.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 09:00 PM
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40. look thru out history
the entertainment factor to the common people to watch executions in the town square,. not a society i chose to live again
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mobuto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 05:07 PM
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22. Very interesting
the number that supports executions is almost identical to the number that supports televising them. The only explanation for that is that death penalty opponents support televising executions as a way of alerting the public.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 06:56 PM
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34. It's called reality tv
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Zero Gravitas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 05:07 PM
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23. I support TV executions
most people would be better off if their TVs were executed.
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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 06:05 PM
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28. LOL! I think it's a grand idea!!
n/t
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Mandate My Ass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 05:11 PM
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24. Support for the death penalty drops to less than 50%
when alternative sentences are offered. I'd love to know how the question was phrased. The mention of Osama and Saddam leads me to believe that the questions were very leading.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 04:54 AM
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60. I think it's very telling that only 11% want to see Hussein executed.
Seems like that's the number of "hardcore" b*shbot believers. Which could mean far less of the public supports the traitors in the White House...?

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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 05:12 PM
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25. How about this? "Torture TV - LIVE From Gitmo!!"
Then again, interrogations aren't nearly as predictable as executions.

Actual capital punishment would go on pay-per-view, while mere interrogations would air on the Court TV equivalent of C-Span.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 05:58 PM
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27. It should be American Idol style.
We get to call in and vote who we want to survive. The rest are killed using the painful method of the day.


Iron Maiden, Cool
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renegade000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 06:19 PM
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29. so when is the colliseum going up?
eom
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Eureka Donating Member (483 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 06:19 PM
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30. But no boobs, right?

So long as it doesn't show executions of people with their boobs out, then I guess it's OK with me.

TV Execution = good
TV Boobs = bad

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kskiska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 06:29 PM
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31. Well, they are all flocking to see Jesus executed
in spite of prior warnings of gross violence.
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peterh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 10:35 PM
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48. Organized religion = violence
This country is probably 87% religious in one fashion or another and yet we far exceed any other country in guns and murders…..to actually want to see another human being die is just beyond me…..this country is regressing so fast from the tenets of what was thought to be civil, that I truly believe that only atheists have a fucking clue….that may anger some on this board….so fucking be it….

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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 09:51 PM
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45. There is a sick part of society that doesn't make good sense to me
...or maybe its me that doesn't make good sense to society.

A dead person is more appealing than a live tit?
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aneerkoinos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 06:39 PM
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32. Two-thirds of Americans ar sick in their head
nt
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kayell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 07:23 PM
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35. They could hold the executions in a stadium for that extra Taliban touch
Of course they may favor the more audience participation style executions from "The Handmaids Tale".

We are rapidly descending into the dark ages.
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ms_splash Donating Member (823 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 07:24 PM
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36. Oh, the irony
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renegade000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 07:27 PM
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38. i can see it now...
Freedom Spectacles at the Bushian Ampitheater
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 07:25 PM
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37. people will commit heinous crimes for the priviledge of going out famously
these are people who would normally stop short of something completely atrocious because of the thought of being trapped behind bars forever in total obscurity.
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Stuckinthebush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 09:34 PM
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43. I think TV executions are a good idea
DJG21 in post #42 has a very good point:

If we engage in barbaric behavior of killing people, then we shouldn't be doing it in the dark. Let all Americans see what it takes to kill a human being. The majority of Americans support the death penalty, therefore, the majority of Americans should have to watch that which they support.

I would imagine that after watching a few deaths, most Americans would change their tune.

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PaveThePlanet Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 01:21 AM
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58. I doubt that...
Seems that people would gladly watch some lowlife rapist murderer get what was coming to him in the name of justice. Hell, most people would probably want to join. I'd love to have a crack at the jackass who took my uncle.
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Mississippi Liberal Donating Member (102 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 01:54 PM
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73. That assumes the "lowlife's" guilt is unquestioned.
I would almost be in favor of televising executions if only to actually focus attention on the people being executed. Executions still happen in this country regularly, but they only receive scant attention in the media. If the execution itself was televised, then the networks would almost be compelled to explain to the viewers the nature of the crime, and perhaps little details like all the prosecution witnesses recanting or the fact that the defense attorney slept through the trial. A single telegenic inmate who had an obviously unfair trial who goes to his death convincingly proclaiming his innocence might well be the end of capital punishment in this country.
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 09:41 PM
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44. I am not going along with the "many"
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Sparky McGruff Donating Member (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 10:11 PM
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46. A new revenue stream?
"21 percent said they'd pay to watch Osama bin Laden put to death. Eleven percent said they would pay to see Saddam Hussein executed."

What percentage would pay to see a 15 year old retarded boy executed? How much would the take have been for Karla Faye Tucker? Perhaps Texas and Florida could fully fund their schools with the pay-per-view take. That would be right in line with Bush style justice.
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 10:23 PM
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47. Capital Idea... seriously
If they are going to be legal... people need to see them.

I think this may be one of the quickest ways to build an anti-death penalty majority.

Not only that, Pre-empt EVERY channel to show them.
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put out Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 10:46 PM
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51. I am with you here. Not pay-per-view,
but prime-time, network, all of the news channels. Make it like the Super Bowl, with a pregame show, and commentary after the game. If people want the death penalty, let them see it for free, and not like it is some dirty secret.

But, then, maybe it is a dirty not-so-secret.

If you support the death penalty, be proud! Insist on watching! And if you can't stand to watch what you want so much to happen, ask yourself some questions.
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Muddleoftheroad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 10:38 PM
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49. I am pro-death penalty and I oppose this
There are lunatics out there who would seek to die this way. Why give them cause to do something so horrible?

The death penalty should be administered with as little fanfare as possible. No day in the sun for them.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 10:46 PM
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50. If we're going to execute people...televise it.
I don't want any of "our" actions happening in a vacuum.

Then the electorate will be able to make an informed decision as to whether it's the right policy. My guess is that the DP would quickly fall out of favor.
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uhhuh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 11:52 PM
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53. Sure
I think we should televise the execution of pollsters first.
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fortyfeetunder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 11:57 PM
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54. Well last century they did do *public* executions...
http://www.musarium.com/withoutsanctuary/main.html

And took pictures, sent postcards, etc. That was before televisions...

These must be Talipublicans...
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 12:32 AM
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56. Years ago a set of videos called "Faces of Death"
was very popular (before the monopolists drove all the small independent video stores out of business).

I saw a couple of them, out of morbid fascination but then they simply got boring. I'm afraid that the same thing would happen if there were televised executions- some people would be shocked at first, but would later become desensitized. A few of course (probably around 20%) would thoroughly enjoy them and they'd be likely to demand more as part of their weekly "reality programming."
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Suspicious Donating Member (780 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 09:25 AM
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69. I saw one of those
Edited on Tue Feb-24-04 09:40 AM by Suspicious
"Faces of Death" videos back when I was 18 or 19 - my boyfriend insisted I would like it, since I'm a big horror fan.

I literally became violently sick to my stomach within the first 15 minutes - that was undoubtedly the most vile thing I've ever seen.


Edited for syntax.
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AgadorSparticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 04:45 AM
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59. I thought it was a joke at first...but then I read the article. holy cow.
and we are so outraged by the "indecency" of one nipple. I shouldn't be shocked, but I am....
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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 07:22 AM
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62. Depraved nation.
I'd guess that most of that two-thirds are Bible-thumping self-absolutionists, aka Repigs. Scary.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 07:40 AM
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64. I think there ought to be something added to spice it up...
...if someone is discovered by DNA testing to be on Death Row erroneously, the chief prosecutor in his or her case should be immediately transported to the nearest state/federal prison to serve a sentence of life without parole for attempted premeditated murder.

Additionally, I believe that if anyone is put to death erroneously, the chief prosecutor in that case should be transported to Death Row for immediate execution under the charge of premeditated murder.

It's only fair, don't you think? Think this might cut down on erroneous prosecutions and convictions?
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 07:43 AM
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65. How about the COPS who beat a false confession out of the Defendant
Or the Cop who sodomized the prisoner with a toilet brush handle
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ze_dscherman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 08:00 AM
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66. McVeigh
Entertainment Network wanted to televise the execution of McVeigh in 2001 (http://www.entertainmentnetwork.com/mcveigh.html), which was refused by court(http://www.entertainmentnetwork.com/judgement.pdf).

Public executions still take place in Saudi Arabia, Iran, China and Vietnam.

Last publich execution in the U.S. was in 1936
http://www.geocities.com/lastpublichang/
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 01:44 PM
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71. Subject of DU thread only today...
Public executions still take place in Saudi Arabia, Iran, China and Vietnam.


"Man Convicted of Raping Children Publicly Executed in Iran"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x381884
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 09:09 AM
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67. Many Americans are very sick people.
I'll bet every one of these sick bastards describes themselves as religious.
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ithacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 09:10 AM
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68. and it's not just a republican thing
it's an American thing.

Americans are sick.

And it comes out in how the US treats the rest of the world.

Bush is not such an abberation. He's just a bit cruder than most administrations.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 01:08 PM
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70. You are Right ----an Eye of an Eye
I wonder if they will have a lottery to see who pulls the switch
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Claire Beth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 01:45 PM
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72. neo-cons at work! n/t
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NeoConsSuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 02:26 PM
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74. Who would the corporate sponsors be?
I wonder.
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