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ozymandius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 06:46 AM
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STOCK MARKET WATCH, Friday 27 February (#1)
Friday February 27, 2004

COUNTING THE DAYS
DAYS REMAINING IN THE * REGIME 331
REICH-WING RUBBERSTAMP-Congress = DAY...
DAYS SINCE DEMOCRACY DIED (12/12/00) 3 YEARS, 77 DAYS
WHERE'S OSAMA BIN-LADEN? 2 YEARS, 129 DAYS
WHERE ARE SADDAM'S WMD? - DAY 340
DAYS SINCE ENRON COLLAPSE = 825
Number of Enron Execs in handcuffs = 18
Recent Acquisitions: Skilling
ENRON EXECS CONVICTED = 2
Other Arrests of Execs = 53

U.S. FUTURES & MARKETS INDICATORS
NASDAQ FUTURES-----------------------------S&P FUTURES




AT THE CLOSING BELL ON February 26, 2004

Dow... 10,580.14 -21.48 (-0.20%)
Nasdaq... 2,032.57 +9.59 (+0.47%)
S&P 500... 1,144.91 +1.24 (+0.11%)
10-Yr Bond... 4.05% +0.03 (+0.77%)
Gold future... 395.50 -0.60 (-0.15%)

DOW..........................NASDAQ.......................S&P


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GOLD, EURO, YEN and Dollars


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ozymandius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 07:20 AM
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1. WrapUp by Martin Goldberg
"Stocks Priced for a New Era"
'Will the Era Last to the "Boomers'" Retirement?

Aside from all of the alchemy going on in the economy and currency markets, business gets down to some very basic concepts. Earnings, dividends, capital deployment, shareholder equity, competition, vision, getting and keeping expertise, growth, and survival of the fittest. These are the factors that drive business in a capitalist system. Or to state it in even more basic terms, “it’s difficult to make money”. In spite of the number of MBAs that our colleges turn out, these basics seem lost on both Main Street and Wall Street. Cisco is no different than my daughter’s lemonade stand. For both of these businesses it’s tough to make money. With the stock market showing tremendous positive momentum of over the last year, it’s natural to question one’s bearish fundamental opinions and instincts. It’s difficult to disagree with the market. It can also be expensive.

Tonight, I will present two very basic and fundamental means of valuing stocks in order to provide a sanity check of the stock market indices at their current levels. These methods are well known and documented and have stood the test of time, up until the early 90’s. Since then, they no longer work in valuing the stock market indices. Why don’t these models work any more? Are we in a “new era”? Is it no longer difficult to make money, or has the growth rate of business reached an accelerated (but as yet unachieved) rate? The results of these simple valuation methods applied to today’s market suggest that as investments, stocks are overpriced. Is it a coincidence that stocks have become overpriced during the prime earnings and investing years of the baby boomers? I think that the reason the market has become overpriced is because of the blind investing habits of the boomers themselves.

<cut>
Why Are Valuations So High by Historical Perspective? Blind, One-way Boomer Money

I think it is the investing habits of the baby boomer generation that is largely causing the historically (and unsustainable) high stock valuations through their monthly installment investing in retirement funds. This money is piling into mutual funds, where the fund managers are required to invest long in the stock market no matter what. This money goes into the funds, but doesn’t come out (baring terrible bad news). Coupled with the all time high trading volumes that occur though all time high levels of speculation, the “blind” money tilts the liquidity balance to the long side. It does so regardless of whatever Cisco or my daughter’s lemonade stands are worth as businesses. Will this last forever, and create a permanently high plateau of stock market valuations? Is this overvaluation good for the overall economy? No and no. There is no free lunch. A router is not a tulip. What will cause the eventual return to normalcy? That’s a more difficult question. It will have to happen before the baby boomer generation turns from a net (and largely blind) buyer of stocks to an inevitable net seller. (And potentially a panicked one.)

Combat – Nasdaq 2,000

Senior readers may remember the character Sergeant Saunders from the 60’s TV series “Combat”, played by Vic Morrow. Saunders character was a squad leader for the US fighting in Europe during World War II. This picture is relevant to technicians because of the unemotional and workmanlike fashion that Sgt. Saunders used to approach battle. If the “battle line” at 2000 fails decisively for Nasdaq, then valuations and dividends may start to matter. For traders, now is probably not the time to fret about such trivia as valuations or your feelings about Nasdaq company’s stock option policy. Even though the NASDAQ has shown technical weakness, it will be the fall of battle line 2000 that will decide if the bulls or bears take the next hill. The 2000 mark is an important short-term support/resistance area. In this speculative market, almost everyone is a technician; and if the 2000 battle line falls decisively, almost everyone will take note, and many will act. (Was that noise I heard the plunge protection team (PPT) calling for reinforcements?)

http://www.financialsense.com/Market/wrapup.htm
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 09:38 AM
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8. Seems we weren't the only ones watching the NASDAQ hoovering at
Edited on Fri Feb-27-04 09:50 AM by 54anickel
the 2000 mark and seeing possible evidence of the PPT at work this week. B-)

edit to add:

The Greenspanese at the end is priceless! :evilgrin:
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 10:04 AM
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11. guess it's time to hand out
the :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat:

one for you :tinfoilhat: one for me :tinfoilhat: and a few extra :tinfoilhat::tinfoilhat::tinfoilhat: for anyone needing them.

This is so that Frodo doesn't think we're all a bunch of "conspiracy theorists :D
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ozymandius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 10:19 AM
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12. Not your garden variety conspiracy
conspiracy
Etymology: Middle English conspiracie, from Latin conspirare
1 : the act of conspiring together
2 a : an agreement among conspirators b : a group of conspirators

I believe that the 1987 executive order fits the description of 'conspiracy'. As always, there are malevolent and benevolent conspiracies. While I honestly believe that the PPT was devised to curb irrationality in the market, it can also be abused. Lately, I contend, it has been abused.
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ozymandius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 07:29 AM
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2. JOE'S DINER "Energy Supplies Still a Concern..."
"Energy Supplies Still a Concern -
While U.S. Senator's Substantially Outperform Professional Fund Managers"


Motorists face gasoline shortages as well as record prices the next few weeks because of the skintight U.S. refining and distribution network. ARTICLE

US senators' personal stock portfolios outperformed the market by an average of 12 per cent a year - a result that very few professional fund managers would be able to achieve. The average U.S. household underperformed the market by 1.44 per cent a year, on average. ARTICLE

After 25 years on the blacklist of America's energy sources, coal is poised to make a comeback, stoked by the demand for affordable electricity and the rising price of other fuels. ARTICLE

Among the risks to the nation's economic expansion is "the chronic concern about a sharp spike in oil or natural gas prices," Greenspan told a Congressional committee last week. ARTICLE

Energy forecasts call for Saudi Arabia to almost double its output in the next decade. Oil executives and government officials in the United States and Saudi Arabia, however, say capacity will probably stall near current levels. ARTICLE

Natural gas supplies are waning, prices for the fuel are rising and relief is at best years away. ARTICLE

http://www.financialsense.com/fsu/posts/dancy/diner.html
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 09:55 AM
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10. Depressing and scary headlines today. More war for oil in our future?
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 07:42 AM
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3. daily dollar watch
http://quotes.ino.com/chart/?s=NYBOT_DXY0

Last trade 87.94 Change +0.26 (+0.30%)

related articles:

http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000101&sid=abgnCesLtAiU&refer=japan

Japan Sold 3.34 Trillion Yen From Jan. 29 to Feb. 25

Feb. 27 (Bloomberg) -- Japan sold 3.34 trillion yen ($30.6 billion) from Jan. 29 through Wednesday, the Ministry of Finance in Tokyo said, to stem currency gains that threaten the nation's exporters.

The yen's 7.6 percent rally against the dollar in the past six months may undermine the world's second-largest economy by cutting profits of exporters including Sharp Corp. and Canon Inc. Japan's economy grew at a 7 percent annual pace last quarter, the fastest in more than 13 years, supported by growing sales abroad.

``The MOF is determined not to let the yen strengthen,'' said Minoru Shioiri, senior manager of the treasury and foreign exchange at Mitsubishi Securities Co., a unit of Japan's second- biggest lender.

Analysts and strategists from Nikko Citigroup Ltd. and J.P. Morgan Chase & Co. in Tokyo said they expected sales of as much as 3.5 trillion yen this month. Currency sales this year have totaled 10.5 trillion yen, more than half last year's record 20.4 trillion yen.

<snip>

The ministry also said it sold 4.99 trillion yen worth of overseas debt from its holdings to the Bank of Japan to raise currency to sell. The central bank makes the sales for the ministry.

<snip>

The following table lists Japan's monthly yen sales beginning in January 2003, based on figures from the Ministry of Finance and the Bank of Japan, in billions of yen.

2004
Jan: (Dec 27 to Jan 28) 7,154
Feb: (Jan 29 to Feb 25) 3,342

...more...


http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=aHLG3nFHL_m8&refer=news_index

U.S. Dollar Will Weaken Through Year-End, Survey Says

Feb. 27 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. dollar will extend its two- year slide against the euro and the yen as the Federal Reserve is expected to keep its key interest rate at a four-decade low, according to traders and strategists surveyed by Bloomberg News.

<snip>

``The U.S. hasn't and won't attract enough overseas investment to offset the current account,'' said Sasaki, who predicts the dollar will end the year at $1.37 per euro and 99 yen. ``There's nothing out there to reverse these basic reasons for the dollar's weakness.'' At the end of December, the New York- based firm's forecast was for $1.30 by year-end.

<snip>

Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan said Wednesday the U.S. economy is experiencing limited growth in jobs and the bank's policy on interest rates ``remains highly accommodative.'' Greenspan, who didn't mention the dollar's slide in testimony to the House Budget Committee in Washington, said inflation will stay low.

``The question you have to ask is, is there enough global appetite for U.S. assets?'' said Bhanu Baweja, currency strategist in Singapore at UBS AG. ``The answer is no.''

<snip>

`BOJ Won'

Gains in the yen may be limited by Bank of Japan selling its own currency. Japan sold 7.15 trillion yen ($70 billion) in January, a monthly record, adding to the 20.5 trillion yen sold last year.

The BOJ has succeeded in stopping the yen from rallying beyond 105 yen, said Mike Newton, currency strategist in Hong Kong at HSBC Holdings Plc. Japan's currency failed to sustain gains beyond 105.50 per dollar 11 times this month.

``The BOJ has obviously won this round,'' said Newton, who used to work at the Bank of England. That said, ``Japan's balance of payments is positive and should improve over the year. There's more money coming into Japan and all this should prove positive for the yen.'' Newton says the yen should rise to 98 this year.

...more...


http://www.reuters.com/financeNewsArticle.jhtml?type=businessNews&storyID=4451875

Dollar Firm Near Recent Peaks

excerpt:

Japan will unveil the amount of its intervention in February at 5 a.m. EST.

"If the data shows Japan intervened heavily again in February after selling a record seven trillion yen (in January), yen-buyers will become discouraged," said Sahara of UFJ.

Later in the day, U.S. gross domestic product data for the fourth quarter is slated to arrive at 8:30 a.m. EST and the University of Michigan consumer sentiment survey is due at 9:45 a.m. EST.

...more...


and because we all want to know about The Missing PPI Report and its root causes:

http://www.bls.gov/ppi/ppinaics.htm

Conversion to the North American Industry Classification System (NAICS), February 2004

With the release of data for January 2004 in February 2004, the Producer Price Index program will change its basis for industry classification from the 1987 Standard Industrial Classification (SIC) system to the North American Industry Classification System (NAICS).

The SIC system was developed in the 1930s at a time when manufacturing dominated the U.S. economic scene. Over the last 60 years, there have been numerous revisions to the SIC system, reflecting the economy's changing industrial composition. However, despite these revisions, the system has received increasing criticism about its ability to handle rapid changes in the U.S. economy. Recent developments in information services, new forms of health care provision, expansion of services, and high tech manufacturing are examples of industrial changes that cannot be studied under the current SIC system.

Developed in cooperation with Canada and Mexico, NAICS represents one of the most profound changes for statistical programs focusing on emerging economic activities. The system was developed using a production-oriented conceptual framework, grouping establishments into industries based on the activity in which they are primarily engaged.

This conversion is more than a recoding of the current SIC structure. Every sector of the economy has been restructured and redefined: A new Information sector combines communications, publishing, motion picture and sound recording, and online services, recognizing our information-based economy. Manufacturing is restructured to recognize new high-tech industries. A new sub-sector is devoted to computers and electronics, including reproduction of software. Retail Trade is redefined. In addition, eating and drinking places are transferred to a new Accommodation and Food Services sector. The difference between Retail and Wholesale is now based on how each store conducts business. For example, many computer stores are reclassified from wholesale to retail. Nine new service sectors and 250 new service industries are recognized.


Good Morning Ozy and all you Marketeers! It was nice to see Julie and Maeve peek in for a moment yesterday :hi: Come back soon!
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 10:47 AM
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14. Holy Yen Batman, and WTF
10,496 billion yen in 2 months compared to 20,058 billion yen all of 2003? And the speculations on the dollar are all over the place, some pointing to much further to go while others trying to state it's hit bottom? Bottom? Nothing has changed in the basic fundamentals for the almighty buck! Already hit bottom? :eyes:

This PPI business again, sure gonna make apples to apples a bit more complex. Notice the page you posted states it was modified last October. Last time I researched this (when the delay was announced) I didn't come across this wonderful page. Now granted, I may not have put enough effort in the research, but all I could come up with was how this dated back to '97 and the inference that it changed in 2002.

I followed a few of the links from here. http://www.naics.com/

Whatever :shrug:
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 08:49 AM
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4. Good morning Ozy, UIA and all. Did you catch Lou Dobbs last night?
He interviewed David Cay Johnston last night, about his book Perfectly Legal. The discussion was around Greenspan and SS. This is a book I am going to add to my reading list. Here's a link to the transcript, it looses some of its punch without the graphs. You'll need to scroll about 2/3 of the way down to find it.

http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0402/26/ldt.00.html

snip>
DOBBS: This is class warfare stuff in a campaign year like this, as you well know. Let's back it up. What do you mean that the rich are being subsidized by Social Security of all things?

DAVID CAY JOHNSTON, AUTHOR, "PERFECTLY LEGAL": Well, in 1983 Alan Greenspan persuaded the Democrats who were in charge of Congress to overtax us on Social Security, that is to collect taxes in advance rather than on pay as you go system. The promise was that we would use the excess taxes to pay off the federal debt which was then about a trillion dollars. We have now paid 1.8 trillion dollars in excess Social Security taxes. This year the government will collect -- if you make $50,000, about $7,500 from you. It only needs 5,000 to pay current benefits. That other $2,500 wasn't used to pay off the federal debt, which is now 7 trillion dollars, instead it is being used to finance tax cuts for the super rich.

DOBBS: We're putting up a graph right now which goes to the -- to that issue. Precisely what you're talking about. Now, why in the world would FICA be limited at $87,000 of earnings, taxing -- taxation on $87,000? Why not carry that straightforwardly through for everyone at higher levels?

JOHNSTON: Well, it's limited to the 90 percent of wages in the country. And the theory is that that's as high a benefit as the government is going to pay. So your benefit caps out, that's why the tax stops. If we simply had a pay as you go tax and it stopped at that end, Lou, I don't think there would be an issue. Since we were told you have to pay in advance. Of course a tax paid in advance costs you a lot more than when you can defer off into the future. That you are going to pay in advance for the benefits.

And now that money has not been spent to pay off the debt. Now Mr. Greenspan says you are not going to get those benefits but we should not raise taxes on those that make millions of dollars a year. It seems to me what Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan predicted in 1983 has come true. He said this was thievery and the middle class were going to have their pockets picked by the rich.

more...
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ozymandius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 09:20 AM
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7. I wish that I had caught this program.
Alas, we make it a habit never to watch TV.

These comments remind me of how much we will miss Moynihan. One of his former staffers wrote a book on his experience with the man. He said that to the very last person he has ever known in Washington, Moynihan was the only elected official who was smarter than his staff. Oh, the prescience of Moynihan's comments!
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 09:46 AM
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9. Yes, it was one of those interviews that just cannot be captured in a
Edited on Fri Feb-27-04 09:47 AM by 54anickel
transcript. Between the graphs and the mans absolutely radiant and beautiful smile and the demeanor between the two - well suffice to say I was glad I saw it.

I don't watch very much TV, try to catch Dobbs and then NBR and Jim Leaher (sp?) before jammy time. The "hubby" tends to sit and veg way too much, but then again I am addicted to the Internet and DU. We each have our vices.
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 08:58 AM
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5. Here's a rather long article from last summer. It covers some of the
topics we've touched on this week, Fed origin and policy, Greenspan, debt, derivatives, bonds, gold, market intervention and a bit on the PPT.

http://www.prudentbear.com/archive_comm_article.asp?category=Guest%2BCommentary&content_idx=25048

Amidst Bullish Hoopla
July 27, 2003
A "Behind the Curtain" Look at Fed Desperation and Intervention Wizardry

The Fed made its 13th consecutive rate cut since Jan 2001 on June 25th, lowering the Federal Funds rate 1/4% to 1%, the lowest level in 45 years. The U.S. stock market finished a second quarter resurgence with a historically high 75% bullish rating of investment advisors and a 95% fully invested level for mutual funds. The volatility indices (VIX and VIN) show high levels of investor complacency. With every effort being made by President Bush's "war economy" spending and the central bank to stimulate the economy, the national media asks why any bear would dare to "fight the Fed?" Ken Fisher titled his July 21, 2003 Forbes column "Dumb Bears II" and CNBC's Louis Rukeyser told Fidelity Investor's Weekly in June "Not only do I think the bear market is over, I think it has been over for several months now." (1)

Is this situation for real, or is it more analogous to quiet forest murmurs in the Ardennes not long before the Battle of the Bulge? James Puplava of San-Diego based Puplava Securities and www.financialsense.com points out that insider selling, an important contrarian indicator, has not been this high since the market peak in early 2000. He feels this rally fits the pattern of a countertrend rally within the context of a long term secular bear market trend. First there is intervention (discussed later), then hedge funds and other short sellers buy back to cover their positions driving prices higher, then institutions and momentum players add to the up trend, and then lured in by national media hype, Mr. and Mrs. John Q. Misinformed Public get in last to hold the bag as the pros clear their positions. 75% bullishness and 95% fully invested figures can be a contrarian indicator that the pros have already committed their reserves and are now looking to take profits. A June 3rd-25th breakdown in Dow Transports, combined with rising commodity and gold prices and a sliding dollar, are all negative indicators. If interest rates start moving back up to complete this dismal picture, we may see an eerie similarity to the conditions that preceded the 1987 crash. (2)

With the funds rates at 1%, the Fed hopes to drive out some portion of the $5 trillion in money market funds to prop up the market. But if the Fed cuts below .75%, notes James Puplava, this would threaten to wipe out money market fund managers, so the Fed is running out of bullets with rate reductions. He notes that Fed officials now appear to be discussing "unconventional means" at their meetings. Bloomberg and the Wall Street Journal have run stories revisiting the idea of instituting a carry tax to flush more money out of savings and cash to prop up the stock market and other asset areas. In the long run, history shows that markets always win out over central bank and government intervention, which means that "unconventional means" might ultimately only succeed in turning more average American investors into cannon fodder for failed Fed policies. (3)

Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan is concerned that stimulus measures have been increasingly pushing on a string to revive the overall economy. In recent years more and more debt has been required to produce GDP growth. It now takes about five dollars of debt to produce each new dollar of GDP growth. In April the Fed pumped more money into the economy at a $1.1 trillion annualized rate (about $1 trillion was injected in M3 between 2001 and 2002, or about 10% of GDP). Other money creation sources such as bank loan departments and Government Sponsored Entities (Freddie Mae and Freddie Mac) have also been expanding liquidity at a torrid rate. Ballooning total debt (government, personal, and corporate) now totals about $34 trillion. According to the Grandfather Economic Report, this comes to around $119,442 per individual American. It is almost hard to imagine that the American economy once grew at a much faster average annual rate when Americans focused on savings and prudent investment in the 1800s before they got saddled with a privately-owned central bank, confiscatory taxes, and the welfare state. (4)

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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 09:04 AM
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6. Another article from the same site regarding Issing and Greenspan
You'll need to scroll about 2/3 of the way down to find this section.

http://www.prudentbear.com/archive_comm_article.asp?category=Credit+Bubble+Bulletin&content_idx=30533

Issing v. Greenspan

The unfolding discord between the ECB and the Greenspan Fed took an interesting and decidedly public turn this week, as the Wall Street Journal published an astute piece by ECB Chief Economist (and my personal favorite contemporary central banker) Dr. Otmar Issing. The following are excerpts:

“There seem to be strong arguments that central banks should not target asset prices, and only assess their development in the context of their potential influence on goods prices… Even in the case of extreme high valuations of assets, a situation in which most observers would agree that the prevailing level of asset prices is not sustainable… there are strong arguments that a central bank should not try to ‘prick the bubble.’ The interest rate increase required to prick the bubble in times of collective exuberance would inflict heavy losses on the real economy. The negative consequences for the reputation of the central bank following such policy would be more than obvious.

All this is the consensus view.

But can central banks just leave it at that and reject any responsibility? I grant that it is a tough challenge to identify an overshooting of asset prices at an early stage. And to repeat, no central bank should pretend knowledge it cannot dispose of. Nevertheless, we have repeatedly experienced situations in which market participants found it more rewarding to follow a trend than to bet against it despite their own view that the development was not sustainable. It is worth noting that with hindsight, i.e. after the collapse, almost everybody seems to agree that a ‘bubble’ has burst. Is it not difficult, then, to accept the argument that it should be totally impossible to make any judgement ex ante? Should it not be the role of central banks to communicate concerns in an appropriate form and thereby to try to contribute to a more sober assessment of asset price developments?

Huge swings in asset valuations can imply significant misallocations of resources in the economy and furthermore create problems for monetary policy. Not every strong decline in asset prices causes deflation, but all major deflations in the world were related to a sudden, continuing and substantial fall in values of assets. The consequences for banks, companies and households can be tremendous...

snip>
It is surely not by happenstance that Dr. Issing’s article was titled Money and Credit, and I simply could not be more appreciative....

more....
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 01:10 PM
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24. Greenspeak seemed to still be focused on Deflation rather than Inflation
in his latest comments. I didn't see any explanation or comment in the media about why he's still so worried. This comment from the article you linked about deflation, makes me wonder more why he is so worried at this point. Have you seen anything about his deflation comments, "54?"

quote from your post:

"Huge swings in asset valuations can imply significant misallocations of resources in the economy and furthermore create problems for monetary policy. Not every strong decline in asset prices causes deflation, but all major deflations in the world were related to a sudden, continuing and substantial fall in values of assets. The consequences for banks, companies and households can be tremendous..."
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 01:59 PM
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25. Hi KoKo01! That's a dang good question, and I am in the midst of
reviewing many of the articles from this weeks SMW in trying to come up with a sound answer to that myself.

I'm working on it and will try to get it pieced together. Be patient with me on this one. I promise I will get back to it.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 02:57 PM
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31. Thanks! I'll keep looking, too. I worry it was another warning
like his "irrational exhuberance" comment that portends something concerning down the road for us. Since every word out of his mouth is so parsed and qualified, one always needs to be watchful, as all here know.
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 03:41 PM
Response to Reply #31
32. Here we go. Warning ya, this is a long one and may leave you with
even more questions than answers.


First of all, this is all JHMO (gotta start with that disclaimer).

I start with the premise that Greenspan is a monetarist, hence his actions have revolved around expanding and contracting the money supply for as long as he's been the Chairman of the Fed.

Second, I believe that all of Greenspans levers and buttons are no longer getting the results he expects. Basically, the economy is out of his control, partially due to globalization, some of the changes of the Clinton admin, the reliance on foreigners to finance our debt, the increasing reliance on deriviatives and their associated risks in creating more liquidity and the asset bubbles in real estate and the stock market.

We have to start with a basic understanding and agreement of the terms inflation and deflation. If you don't buy these definitions, then the rest of this post probably isn't going to be worth your time reading.

The following is from http://www.kitco.com/ind/Fox/feb262004.html
Yes, it is a bit "goldbuggie", but the author does a good job at explaining my view of the terms.


Bad Inflation

snip>
This type of inflation typically means an expansion of the money supply and bank credit ahead of gains from productivity and asset growth. More money and credit chasing fewer goods and services typically means higher prices over the long run.

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Government and central bank spokesmen typically call this good inflation. They claim that credit expansion and government deficit spending “stimulus” helps to generate full employment and full capacity utilization. This in turn supposedly generates additional
earnings and economic growth that offset any increased indebtedness and long-term price inflation.

From their “top down” macroeconomic vantage point, this is definitely good inflation to the extent that it allows government and Fed officials to create money and bank credit out of thin air and spend heavily without the aggravation of overtly raising taxes and receiving immediate negative political blowback.

One reason why this is really bad inflation is because it results in an eventual loss in real purchasing power for the average consumer. This is a hidden form of taxation. Creating more money and credit per se does not in itself create any new wealth any more than a
counterfeiting ring. The act of simply increasing spending and the process of creating more useful goods and services in a balanced economy are usually two very different things.

“Stimulus” spending typically creates the short-term illusion of prosperity at the long-term price of distorting the economy and debauching the currency.

In the short run, the price inflationary impact of new money and credit is usually muted and ignored by most investors. One reason often involves governmental deceit. The article “They
Are Lying to Us Again,” archived at www.jimrogers.com describes how government can selectively edit and misrepresent statistics.

Price inflation may also remain initially muted because excess liquidity can first find its way into stock, real estate, or bond asset bubbles. It may experience a prolonged delay in running up commodity and consumer prices.

Lastly, price inflation has been reduced because the dollar has served as a global reserve currency since World War II. Dollars currently comprise around 68% of global reserves.

Foreign banks and trade surplus partners have been willing to sop up excess dollars for their own reserve needs or to try to humor the “last remaining global superpower.”

Bad Deflation

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Bad deflation is typically the back-side of the aforementioned bad inflation cycle, where over-inflated asset prices created by excessive “stimulus” start coming down. As discussed in my paper “Amidst Bullish Hoopla: A Behind the Curtain Look at Fed Desperation and Intervention Wizardry,” where I describe stock market overvaluation in more detail, the Fed has been fearful that if the stock market bubble starts deflating too quickly, this could lead to a negative wealth effect, reduce consumer confidence and spending, undermine bank collateral, dramatically increase bankruptcies and unemployment, and risk a depression.

However, by dropping the Federal Funds rate down to 1% and by gunning the money pump by about 10% a year over the past few years to stave off asset bubble deflation, the Fed has risked creating more bubbles elsewhere, such as in the real estate and bond markets. This money supply growth has been showing up in rising consumer prices. This is the type of inflation that the Fed and US Government try to ignore. Hence, we are now simultaneously experiencing consumer price inflation while witnessing overvalued stock, bond, and real estate markets that threaten serious deflation.

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Negative real interest rates mean that the rate of real inflationary erosion in purchasing power from the long-term impact of the underlying growth of M3 is greater than the nominal interest rates one can get from CDs at the bank. Although Americans have been in a negative real interest rate environment since at least the mid- 1990’s, it has become particularly dramatic since the Fed reduced the Federal Funds rate down to 1% by summer 2003 while maintaining broad money base (M3) growth in the 8-10% a year range.

An important cause of negative interest rates is central bank intervention. Let us compare how interest rates set by the Fed may differ from those that might be created by a free market. The Fed has dropped its Federal Funds rate to a 45 year low of one percent to ostensibly stimulate the economy to avoid a collapse of puffed-up asset prices. The Thirty Year Treasury bond hovered around 4.9% as of mid Jan 2004. In my Amidst Bullish Hoopla article, I discuss how hedge funds can work with the Fed and allied Wall Street firms to
transmit lowered interest rates out the yield curve with the bond carry trade. Also, the Fed can use Open Market Operations to buy bonds to prop up bond prices and drive interest rates down, often by making purchases with money created out of thin air that ultimately create a hidden tax on the average American.

Contrast all of this with M3 growth, a truer indicator of real long-term inflation. This has been growing between 7%-10% a year since 1995. Let’s say 8% on average. If the free market were to price a bond, it would probably take into account this truer long term inflation rate, and add on top of that a risk premium of let’s say a historical average of around 2.50% . That gives us 10.5% as a rational hurdle rate for setting a free market floor on expected interest rates. Now, let’s deduct the aforementioned Thirty Year Teasury rate of 4.9%, and we get a possible real negative interest rate of 5.6%. For individuals in money market funds that pay less than 1%, the negative spread could be over 9.5%.

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Fraud note: From the Austrian viewpoint, bad inflation cannot go on forever, even as a way to stave off bad deflation. Bad inflation stimulates speculative mal-investment, excessive debt, and asset bubbles that distort the economic system while debauching the currency. The economy may become so distorted that new waves of money only generate stagnation and inflation (“stagflation”), analogous to a drug addict whose fixes start breaking down the body. Since summer 2003 the M3 growth and money velocity charts have been tapering off,
partly because the system is getting so saturated with cheap credit that the Fed is beginning to push on a string. Also, a debauched currency may trigger a currency crisis (a rapid exchange rate slide) that can cause foreign imports (10% of US GDP) to become more expensive and contribute towards prolonged malaise.


So, if you believe that Greenspan has been executing basically bad inflationary policies since he took office, what else is the natural outcome for debt/credit based assets other than bad deflation? :shrug:


About Greenspans broken levers and buttons

The following is from this link posted the other day in the SMW. It is from shortly after the 9/11 terrorist attack, but I think it is still pertainant to the discussion as things haven't changed much in the securities market as the usual "bond vigilanties" have been silenced by foreign purchasers of our debt


http://www.trendmacro.com/a/luskin/20010919luskin.asp

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Now the global financial aftermath of last week's terrorist attacks are shaping up to be the perfect storm for the US dollar. And Alan Greenspan has totally lost control of the boat. On Monday he admitted as much, by stating that for the duration of the crisis he wasn't going to enforce the new interest rate level that he had just declared.

In the statement from the Federal Open Market Committee that accompanied Monday's rate cut, Greenspan said, "...the actual federal funds rate may be below its target on occasion in these unusual circumstances." And look what's happened: on the same day as he set the fed funds rate at 3%, funds traded at an average rate of 2.13% Monday, with some transactions taking place at rates near zero.

This means that interest-rate targeting has now become the latest in a series of failed experiments in how to regulate the nation's money supply in a post-gold world. Call it the Greenspan Standard -- and now we're off it. That's great, as far as I'm concerned. I've argued for years that the Fed shouldn't arbitrarily set the price of money -- interest rates -- any more than it should set the price of hamburgers or jet engines.

But now that we're off the Greenspan Standard, we're not on any standard at all. And that means that the potential for serious inflationary or deflationary error is now greater than ever, just when the economy desperately needs stability.

In the decade or so after the US abandoned the gold standard in 1971, the Fed went on a "money supply standard." Mechanistic targets were set for the level of monetary aggregates such as "M1" and "M2," and the Fed's open market operations were keyed to nothing but achieving those targets -- interest rates were free to do whatever they wanted to do. The result was the worst inflation in American history, and interest rates above 15%.

So that didn't work. In the early 1980s it was replaced by the "interest rate standard," in which the fed funds rate is targeted instead of the money supply. The Fed's open market operations are geared to move the market to the chosen interest rate -- and the money supply is free to do whatever it wants to do.

That's been Alan Greenspan's operating mechanism throughout his tenure as Fed chairman -- the Greenspan Standard. It seemed to work for a while there, long enough to make Alan Greenspan's reputation as a master of the universe. But it hasn't been working very well for the last four deflationary boom-and-bust years, and Greenspan's reputation has now almost entirely worn off. And in the global panic set off by last week's terrorist attacks, interest-rate targeting has been thrown into intellectual bankruptcy. And Alan Greenspan's reputation has been thrown in the dust-bin of history.

This is a time when markets -- just like the people who participate in them -- are hungry for stability, and for a clear vision of how terrifying problems are going to get solved.

Instead, we've abandoned the Greenspan Standard and replaced it with nothing. There is no stability. There is no vision.


Now what about that change that happened during the Clinton adminstration that got those foreigners so willing to buy our debt?

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/FB24Aa02.html

It was not until Robert Rubin became special economic assistant to president Clinton that the US would figure out its strategy of dollar hegemony through the promotion of unregulated globalization of financial markets. Rubin, a consummate international bond trader at Goldman Sachs who earned $60 million the year he left to join the White House, figured out how the US was able to have its cake and eat it too, by controlling domestic inflation with cheap imports bought with a strong dollar, and having its trade deficit financed by a capital account surplus made possible by the same strong dollar. Thus dollar hegemony was born.

The US economy grew at an unprecedented rate with the wholesale and permanent export of US manufacturing jobs from the rust belt to low-wage economies, with the added bonus of reining in the unruly domestic labor unions. The Japanese and the German manufacturers, later joined by their counterparts in the Asian tigers and Mexico, were delirious about US willingness to open its domestic market for invasion by foreign products, not realizing until too late that their national wealth was in fact being steadily transferred to the dollar economy through their exports, for which they got only dollars that the United States could print at will but that foreigners could not spend in their own respective non-dollar economies.

By then, the entire structure of their economies, and in fact the entire non-dollar global economy, was enslaved to export, condemning them to permanent economic servitude to the US dollar. The central banks of these countries with non-dollar economies competed to keep the exchange values of their currencies low in relation to the dollar and to one another so that they can transfer more wealth to the dollar economy while the dollars they earned from export had no choice but to go back to the US to finance the restructuring of the dollar economy toward new modes of finance capitalism and new generations of high-tech research and development through US defense spending.
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 03:42 PM
Response to Reply #31
33. from The Daily Reckoning newsletter
It's payback time.

by Bill Bonner


The nation's huge budget deficits have become such a
problem that even Alan Greenspan has noticed. In his latest
public discourse, he urged Congress to cut Social Security
and Medicare payments as a way to close the budget gap. The
only other way would be to raise taxes. Either way, the
result will be lower living standards in America. Another
way to look at it... the huge credit boom, in which
standards of living have been boosted by borrowing from the
future, is now coming to an end.


Similarly, America's gargantuan trade and current account
deficits will have to be reduced, too. How? People have to
stop spending so much money or the dollar has to collapse.
Probably both. Either way, living standards in the U.S. go
down.


You will note, dear reader, that despite the drop in the
dollar of the last 2 years, the trade deficit is wider than
ever. China has kept its currency pegged to the dollar. As
the dollar dropped, China's yuan dropped right along with
it. Americans gained no advantage - at least not against
China. And since China has become so important to worldwide
exports, lower prices on Chinese-made goods tend to drag
down prices everywhere.


The latest employment report was discouraging. Initial
jobless claims are edging up. And layoffs rose in January.
Economists are puzzled. The economy is in full
recovery... how come employment is not increasing?


Low rates and tax cuts from the Feds were supposed to light
a fire under the economy. And they did - under the Chinese
economy! All that caught fire in America was debt, housing
and speculation - all hotted up by the Fed's tinder.
Americans go deeper and deeper into debt - lured by low
interest rates and EZ credit terms. Speculators go wild on
nanotech plays... and, thank God, the Chinese have not yet
figured out how to export houses to the U.S.


But as Greenspan looks ahead to what must happen, he sees a
world that looks to us like deflation, but deflation of a
particularly obnoxious sort. Not only must America's 50-
year credit boom implode into an epochal credit bust, but
this must happen at the same time the world's economic
power shifts to Asia. Imports from Asia drive down prices
all over the world... as globalized labor markets push down
the going rate for American workers. In Nicaragua, for
example, you see grown men working all day in the hot sun
for $5 a day. Benefits? Health care? Vacations? They hardly
exist.


They only way to compete would be to invest massive amounts
of money in capital-intensive industries and extensive
worker training - similar to what has happened in
Switzerland or Singapore. Instead, Americans squander their
capital in a spending spree. Wal-Mart replaced General
Motors as the nation's biggest employer... and GM now earns
its money not by making and selling cars, but by financing
activities. Meanwhile, young Americans leave the hard
engineering and science courses to foreigners and
concentrate on Gender Studies. The best of them set their
sights on Wall Street and hope to retire rich by handling
flaky IPOs or maybe starting a hedge fund to speculate in
junk bonds.


That is why there has been almost no growth in real
earnings of American factory workers over the last 30
years... and why American information-industry wages are now
being squeezed... and why it is so hard to add jobs - even
with interest rates at 50-year lows.


Greenspan & Co. cannot create jobs by stimulating the
economy. The titillation ends up overseas. Nor can they
bring prosperity to America by giving consumers more
credit; consumers already have far too much of it. Their
efforts only make things worse... drawing the nation into
bad habits of spending and speculation... and making the
pain of adjustment to deflation and a more competitive
world much more difficult. In the coming credit deflation,
Americans will likely have to pay their debts... while
investing in new industries. They will likely find their
standards of living falling... as their incomes fall, too.
They may find their houses falling in price... while their
mortgage payments rise. They should see the price of
imports (such as oil) rise... as their dollars falls in
value.


Deflation... with rising prices? Think about that a minute.
(We would think about it ourselves... except we are still on
vacation.)


Payback time will be the time when the Best of Worlds
becomes the Worst of Worlds... when the economy that seems
Too Good to be True becomes one that seems too bad to be
true... and when things that 'Couldn't Get Any Better' can't
get any worse...
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 03:54 PM
Response to Reply #33
35. Yuck. Not a happy face to put on our future, is it? :-(
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 04:26 PM
Response to Reply #33
37. Deflation and inflation at the same time....We're not in Kansas anymore
Falling values of debt derived assets, stocks, bonds, real estate with rising prices of commodities and consumer goods that you need day to day, food, fuel, electricity.

We're off to see the wizard! Hang on, this is going to be a bumpy ride.
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 05:28 PM
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38. KoKo01, the quotes from that article are from Issing, not Greenspan.
Not sure if that was clear or not. Might answer your question though.
Now, not that deflation isn't anything to worry about, as you can see the ECBs Chief Economist has some real concern. Seems there are a LOT of folks with the exception of Greenspan that are being publically vocal about their concerns.
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ozymandius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 10:25 AM
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13. 10:22 numbers and blather
Dow 10,639.55 +59.41 (+0.56%)
Nasdaq 2,042.32 +9.75 (+0.48%)
S&P 500 1,150.78 +5.87 (+0.51%)
10-Yr Bond 4.015% -0.031

U.S. stocks move higher on raft of positive data

NEW YORK (CBS.MW) - U.S. stocks were higher in morning trade as faster-than-expected economic growth in the fourth quarter, improving consumer sentiment, and a solid manufacturing report, reassured investors the economic recovery remained on track.

"Today's data does signify that the economy is doing quite well," said Jonathan Murray, senior vice-president, investments at Legg Mason. "The market here today seems to be building toward the buy side but it will be interesting to see if this strength can be maintained as the day continues and on what kind of volume."

U.S. economic growth slowed to a 4.1 percent rate in the fourth quarter from the frenzied 8.2 percent pace of the third quarter, the Commerce Department estimated, but well ahead of economist estimates of 3.7 percent growth.

more...
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 11:09 AM
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15. US Treasuries trim gains on sign of jobs pickup
http://www.forbes.com/markets/newswire/2004/02/27/rtr1279024.html

NEW YORK, Feb 26 (Reuters) - Treasuries trimmed their early gains on Friday after a survey of regional U.S. manufacturing showed activity still strong and an uptick in employment intentions.

The Chicago Purchasing Managers reading of business activity dipped to 63.6 in February after jumping to a decade high of 65.9 the month before. That was in line with forecasts of a dip to 63.5 and should not alter forecasts for the Institute for Supply Management survey of national manufacturing due next week.

Perhaps more importantly given the market's obsession with jobs, the Chicago PMI's employment index climbed to 54.8 from 48.3 in January -- its best reading since April 1998. It could encourage analysts to edge up forecasts for the February payrolls figure due next week.

Earlier, the University of Michigan's final reading of consumer confidence inched up to 94.4 in February from an initial 93.1, but was still well below January's 103.8.
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 11:17 AM
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16. China to ease upward pressure on renminbi
Edited on Fri Feb-27-04 11:22 AM by 54anickel
http://news.ft.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=FT.com/StoryFT/FullStory&c=StoryFT&cid=1077690749849

China signalled on Friday it plans to intensify efforts to relieve upward pressure on its currency from continued strong inflows of speculative funds betting on a renminbi revaluation, as a senior official expressed concern over rising inflation and an incipient asset bubble.

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Economists estimate that roughly $50bn in "hot money" inflows found their way into China last year, pushing domestic money supply to record levels and fuelling inflationary pressures. The hot money largely represents funds brought back to China by local businessmen or overseas Chinese to benefit from a predicted renminbi appreciation.

But Mr Guo made it clear that the People's Bank of China, central bank, has no intention to cave in before the will of speculators. He said Chinese firms would be able to retain more foreign currency and outward investment by Chinese would be encouraged - both measures to ease upward pressure on the renminbi. Inflows remained strong in January, with the foreign currency reserves rising to nearly $416bn, up from $403bn at the end of 2003.

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The government was also studying the Qualified Domestic Institutional Investor (QDII) scheme, under which mainland Chinese would be allowed to invest in overseas stock markets through selected institutions - another step that would require the selling of renminbi and buying of US dollars. QDII would be implemented when the "conditions are mature".

more...

edit to add
A related article with a bit more detail on the bubble in China

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A10485-2004Feb26.html
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ozymandius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 11:27 AM
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17. Sorry to leave you 54anickel and everyone.
My son and I are heading out the door as is our custom around this time. Have a terrific weekend should I not be back to wish you the same later today.

Ozymandius :hi:
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 11:38 AM
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18. Iraq's Central Bank Faces Stability Question: David DeRosa
How much more can we mess with the future of these people?

http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000039&refer=columnist_derosa&sid=asFK.vOLlqHc

Feb. 27 (Bloomberg) -- Which will it be for Iraq? A central bank that fosters growth and a stable monetary policy, or one that steers the country into hyper-inflation and devaluation?

Iraq appears to be making progress, in a monetary sense. The Coalition Provisional Ruling Authority issued an order on July 7 granting the central bank independence. That should minimize any political pressure brought to bear on the bank, whose newly appointed governor, Sinan Al-Shabibi, is a respected economist.

The Bush administration expects the central bank law to be adopted soon by the Iraqi Governing Council, and it's hoped that both the bank and ministry of finance will be fully functional by the time the coalition is scheduled to hand over power to an Iraqi government on June 30.

Meanwhile, the bank is functioning and making important decisions. In an effort to fix Iraq's tattered commercial banking sector, the bank announced on March 1 that ``interest rates on deposits, loans, credits, securities, and all other domestic financial instruments will be fully determined by market conditions.''

It hailed the move as one more step from a state-controlled financial system to a free-market economy.

more...

A somewhat related article

WHY FRAGILE ECONOMIES AND FLOATING CURRENCIES JUST DON'T MIX

http://www-hoover.stanford.edu/publications/digest/981/becker.html

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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 11:44 AM
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19. Gold narrowly higher, eyes foreign markets
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/yhoo/story.asp?source=blq/yhoo&siteid=yhoo&dist=yhoo&guid=%7B282FAA02%2D50D7%2D44F2%2DAAF8%2D4CB6043B9FF2%7D

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"Physical demand from Asian investors and savers, in combination with de-hedging by producers, has come in to support the gold price on every significant setback during this bull-run," he said.

Lundin warned that volatility in the gold market will continue for some time, "as gold works through a painful transition from a dollar-based bull market to multi-currency advance."

But this is "the first true gold bull market in the age of hyper-liquid capital, in which even small investors can easily and efficiently switch among world's major currencies and investment sectors," he said.

In the end, Lundin said he's "confident that gold will emerge as a popular hedge against not just the dollar, but against every currency jockeying for the trade advantages that come with lower relative values."

That, however, "will take some time, and prices will remain on a roller coaster until then," he said.

more...
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Shadoobie Donating Member (904 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 12:05 PM
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20. Whoa! What happened?
Edited on Fri Feb-27-04 12:05 PM by Shadoobie
What happened at 11am EST? Did * give a speech? It looks like the DOW has dropped about 70 points in the last hour?

~ Greg
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 12:28 PM
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22. Here's a bit, I'm sure they will tone down the questionable valuations
Edited on Fri Feb-27-04 12:31 PM by 54anickel
explanation to just simple Friday profit taking before the day is out. It willl be interesting to keep an eye on the charts over lunch and the rest of the day.

http://biz.yahoo.com/cbsm-top/040227/433a981e01baa25351abf62dc8862341_1.html

NEW YORK (CBS.MW) - U.S. stocks reversed course Friday, wiping out early gains sparked by a raft of positive economic data, as investors locked in gains on concern that shares, particularly in the technology sector, remain fully valued at current levels.

"It's all about valuation," said David Briggs, senior vice-president of global equity trading at Federated Investors. "Even though cash is coming into the markets and people are buying on the dips, it is only to a point. And I think that's what you are seeing here as we took stocks up to a level where people stopped buying and now the market is falling back under its own weight."

"Unless people get a handle that earnings are going to improve next quarter, it looks like the market is just treading water," said Briggs
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 12:22 PM
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21. 12:19 numbers and blather (Sorry about missing that drop!)
Dow 10,576.00 -4.14 (-0.04%)
Nasdaq 2,024.57 -8.00 (-0.39%)
S&P 500 1,144.19 -0.72 (-0.06%)

30-yr Bond 4.886% -0.035


12:00PM: It's been a choppy morning of trade, in which the market attempted to put together a rally but saw its efforts trumped by a weak Nasdaq... The Composite failed near the 50% retrace of its recent slide off the Feb 19 recovery high, which has left the index shy of its 20-day exponential average (2048) and its 50-day simple average (currently at 2050)... The pullback has dampened its prospects for a near-term recovery effort, and has curbed the momentum of the Dow and S&P 500...

This scenario was certainly not expected at the open, where the major indices started in positive territory and only accelerated off two better than expected economic reports... The revision to the February Michigan Consumer Sentiment report brought it to 94.4 (consensus of 94.0) and the Chicago PMI Index came in at 63.6 (consensus of 63.5) - the latter falling off its decade-high in January but still strong across most components... The earlier released revision to Q1 GDP was also above the market's expectation, moving to 4.1% (consensus of 3.8%) from 4.0%... Technology, transportation, and biotech got a noticeable boost from the reports, but have since weakened in accord with the market's retreat...

Right now, only banking and homebuilding are showing noticeable gains...


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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 12:34 PM
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23. Well, this little newflash is not going to help the NASDAQ today
http://www.forbes.com/technology/newswire/2004/02/27/rtr1279200.html

RESEARCH ALERT-Merrill downgrades PeopleSoft to sell
Reuters, 02.27.04, 12:00 PM ET

NEW YORK, Feb 27 (Reuters) - Merrill Lynch on Friday downgraded the stock of PeopleSoft Inc. (nasdaq: PSFT - news - people) to "sell" from "neutral," citing growth concerns, one day after the U.S. Department of Justice sued to stop Oracle Corp.'s (nasdaq: ORCL - news - people) $9.4 billion hostile bid for the business software maker.

"While the DOJ's decision to block the Oracle transaction was not a surprise, we believe that the shares no longer have a floor, and the stock has material downside given our execution concerns," Merrill Lynch analyst Jason Maynard said in a research note.
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 02:07 PM
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26. 2:04 update & blather
Dow 10,593.54 +13.40 (+0.13%)
Nasdaq 2,025.27 -7.30 (-0.36%)
S&P 500 1,145.25 +0.34 (+0.03%)
30-yr Bond 4.881% -0.040


Blather:
2:00PM: Market remains stuck in a rut with conviction on the part of buyers weak... Technology remains the biggest weight on the indices, and has prevented a rally effort up until this point... Software has been one of the weakest sectors, due in part to a Merrill Lynch downgrade of Oracle (ORCL 12.99 -0.29) to Sell from Neutral discussed in Briefing.com's Upgrade/Downgrade Briefing today... This ratings change comes after the Department of Justice and seven states filed a federal antitrust suit yesterday to block Oracle's $9.4 bln takeover of PeopleSoft (PSFT 21.18 -0.60)...
Oracle lashed out against the decision, saying it was 'without basis in fact or law'...NYSE Adv/Dec 2086/1113, Nasdaq Adv/Dec 1534/1535

1:35PM: Stocks continue to edge slightly higher although they have yet to stage a full-scale breakout... The blue chip averages have crossed into positive territory thanks to moderate gains in financial, casino, and homebuilding, but they have not been able to make much headway against the sizable losses in tech... Elsewhere, the dollar is showing some gains against the euro and yen thanks to pro-dollar comments from President Bush...

After German Prime Minister Schroeder pointed out that the euro has appreciated as much as 15% against the greenback in the past year, Bush said that he is 'interested in a strong dollar'...NYSE Adv/Dec 2025/1151, Nasdaq Adv/Dec 1488/1569


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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 02:11 PM
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27. Bit more on Bush and the "Strong dollar"
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=4457606

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Schroeder said he told Bush of German concerns about the weakness of the dollar versus the euro, which Germany feels is depressing German exports.

The official U.S. position on the dollar -- which Schroeder said Bush repeated to him -- is that the administration backs a strong U.S. currency. But a cheaper dollar has helped the United States cope with its current record trade imbalance because it makes U.S.-produced exports cheaper in foreign markets.

Schroeder said Bush told him that while he is interested in a strong dollar, governments only have a limited ability to influence currencies.

"I conveyed that we are obviously concerned about the euro-dollar relationship," he said.

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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 02:18 PM
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29. gee, with "strong" words like that
the currencies markets seem to respond with this:

Last trade 87.32 Change -0.36 (-0.41%)
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 02:41 PM
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30. SNARF!
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Sharpton American Donating Member (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 02:13 PM
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28. Thanks
Thanks for the information, it was quite useful :)
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 03:44 PM
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34. 3:41 Check-in and blather
Edited on Fri Feb-27-04 03:45 PM by 54anickel
Dow 10,601.4004 +21.26 (+0.20%)
Nasdaq 2,031.45 -1.12 (-0.06%)
S&P 500 1,147.33 +2.42 (+0.21%)
30-yr Bond 4.857% -0.064


3:30PM: Major indices hold onto most of their gains in the late afternoon buying drive, but still remain well off their highs... The market has not been able to do much today as a batch of upbeat earnings and economic reports have taken a backseat to valuation concerns that remain at the front of everyone's minds... The market has shown signs of topping off in the past month, and with stocks as far up as they are in the past year, investors have opted to reduce exposure...
Briefing.com, for its part, still believes the market can continue to move higher, but does stipulate we do not expect gains on the order of 2003's this year...NYSE Adv/Dec 2245/1011, Nasdaq Adv/Dec 1698/1433


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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 04:21 PM
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36. Closing numbers and blather
I am shocked, shocked I tell you that they did not leave the valuation concerns in the closing remarks. :evilgrin:

Dow 10,583.92 +3.78 (+0.04%)
Nasdaq 2,029.82 -2.75 (-0.14%)
S&P 500 1,144.94 +0.03 (0.00%)
30-yr Bond 4.857% -0.064


Blather:
Close: The stock market couldn't decide which direction it wanted to trade today, and thus ended the session relatively unchanged... Today's economic reports provided a perfect impetus for an up move, yet the market held close to its recent bearish trend... The Nasdaq managed an early run near its 20 and 50-day simple moving averages, but was unable to penetrate those levels and headed south for most of the day... As a result, the Composite put up its sixth week of losses...
The blue chip averages fared a bit better - with the S&P 500 finishing slightly higher for the week - although the Dow was not able to pare all of its weekly losses... As mentioned, today's economic data were all upbeat and topped their respective consensus estimates... Q1 GDP was revised higher to 4.1% (consensus of 3.8%), February Michigan Consumer Sentiment was revised up to 94.4 (consensus of 94.0), and the February Chicago PMI Index came in at 63.6 (consensus of 63.5)... The latter was off January's decade-high, but still showed strength across most of its components... The encouraging sign sent a number of economically-sensitive stocks - such as dept store - higher today...

Losers in the session, though, were apparel, biotech, and semiconductor...
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