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Coventina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-08-09 10:02 AM
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G-8 Nations Fail to Agree on Climate Change Plan
Source: New York Times

L’AQUILA, Italy — The world’s major industrial nations and emerging powers failed to agree Wednesday on significant cuts in heat-trapping gases by 2050, unraveling an effort to build a global consensus to fight climate change, according to people following the talks.

As President Obama arrived for three days of meetings with other international leaders, negotiators dropped a proposal that would have committed the world to reducing greenhouse gas emissions by 50 percent by midcentury and industrialized countries to slashing their emissions by 80 percent.

The discussion of climate change was among the top priorities as world leaders gathered here for the annual summit meeting of the Group of 8 powers. The leaders were also grappling with the sagging global economy, development in Africa, turmoil in Iran, nuclear nonproliferation and other issues.

Mr. Obama, who arrived Wednesday morning from Moscow after a two-day visit there, has succeeded in persuading other Group of 8 leaders to contribute another $12 billion over the next three years for a food security initiative, aides said. The program will provide emergency anti-hunger aid but also help build sustainable, productive agriculture and food delivery systems.



Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/09/world/europe/09prexy.html?hp
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-08-09 10:05 AM
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1. too often do economic considerations trump life itself
frankly, I think it's weird
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JustABozoOnThisBus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-08-09 10:19 AM
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2. But if it's MY economics ...
... vs YOUR life ...

well, these finance ministers and other leaders are not generally sympatico with the general population (aka "rabble")

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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-08-09 11:13 AM
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7. of course not... their greed has consequences on us all
for a bunch who want to claim personal responsibility, they sure shirk a lot of their own.
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Auggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-08-09 10:21 AM
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3. Our chances for survival grow dimmer by the second
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JayMusgrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-08-09 10:23 AM
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4. How sad, and it won't help in passing cap and trade. n/t
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starzdust Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-08-09 10:53 AM
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5. As Carl Sagan said
The choice is with us still, but the civilization now in jeopardy is all humanity. As the ancient myth makers knew, we are children equally of the earth and the sky. In our tenure of this planet we've accumulated dangerous evolutionary baggage—propensities for aggression and ritual, submission to leaders, hostility to outsiders—all of which puts our survival in some doubt. But we've also acquired compassion for others, love for our children and desire to learn from history and experience, and a great soaring passionate intelligence – the clear tools for our continued survival and prosperity.

Which aspects of our nature will prevail is uncertain, particularly when our visions and prospects are bound to one small part of the small planet Earth. But up there in the cosmos, an inescapable perspective awaits. National boundaries are not evident when we view the Earth from space. Fanatic ethnic or religious or national identifications are a little difficult to support when we see our planet as a fragile blue crescent fading to become an inconspicuous point of light against the bastion and citadel of the stars. There are not yet obvious signs of extraterrestial intelligence, and this makes us wonder whether civilizations like ours rush inevitably headlong to self-destruction. I dream about it, and sometimes they're bad dreams."

"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring."

"Those who are skeptical about carbon dioxide greenhouse warning might profitably note the massive greenhouse effect on Venus. No one proposes that Venus's greenhouse effect derives from imprudent Venusians who burned too much coal, drove fuel-inefficient autos, and cut down their forests. My point is different. The climatological history of our planetary neighbor, an otherwise Earthlike planet on which the surface became hot enough to melt tin or lead, is worth considering — especially by those who say that the increasing greenhouse effect on Earth will be self-correcting, that we don't really have to worry about it, or (you can see this in the publications of some groups that call themselves conservative) that the greenhouse effect is a "hoax"."

"Look again at that dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every "superstar", every "supreme leader", every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there — on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam."

"Human history can be viewed as a slowly dawning awareness that we are members of a larger group. Initially our loyalties were to ourselves and our immediate family, next, to bands of wandering hunter-gatherers, then to tribes, small settlements, city-states, nations. We have broadened the circle of those we love. We have now organized what are modestly described as super-powers, which include groups of people from divergent ethnic and cultural backgrounds working in some sense together — surely a humanizing and character building experience. If we are to survive, our loyalties must be broadened further, to include the whole human community, the entire planet Earth. Many of those who run the nations will find this idea unpleasant. They will fear the loss of power. We will hear much about treason and disloyalty. Rich nation-states will have to share their wealth with poor ones. But the choice, as H. G. Wells once said in a different context, is clearly the universe or nothing."



"Look back again at the pale blue dot of the preceding chapter. Take a good long look at it. Stare at the dot for any length of time and then try to convince yourself that God created the whole Universe for one of the 10 million or so species of life that inhabit that speck of dust. Now take it a step further: Imagine that everything was made just for a single shade of that species, or gender, or ethnic or religious subdivision. If this doesn't strike you as unlikely, pick another dot. Imagine it to be inhabited by a different form of intelligent life. They, too, cherish the notion of a God who has created everything for their benefit. How seriously do you take their claim?"

So, the question remains; Will be become true citizens of the Cosmos, survive our technology, or will we follow the path of self-destruction? The choice is still within our hands.
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Birthmark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-08-09 10:54 AM
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6. That about wraps it up.
Again, I advise everyone to make long term plans --not for your interests, but for your children and grandchildren.
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wildflower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-08-09 11:20 AM
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8. This is what happened in "Earth 2100"
On ABC a few weeks ago. And the result wasn't pretty.

I wonder if that film will become available on Netflix or somewhere.
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