Protester Interrupts Sotomayor Hearing (RWer)

[brooklynite]

Source: CBS

The opening remarks of members of the Senate Judiciary Committee at Sonia Sotomayor's Supreme Court nomination hearing this morning were interrupted by an anti-abortion protester who called abortion "genocide."

Sen. Dianne Feinstein was speaking Monday morning when the protester shouted out, "Senator, what about the unborn?"

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Police told The Associated Press that the protester is a Virginian named Robert James. He was reportedly charged with unlawful conduct and disruption of Congress.

A second protester shouted something not long after James' outburst. He was also removed from the hearing.

Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/07/13/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry5155518.shtml

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At least they didn't throw teabags...

[musette_sf]

1. 2 MEN

color me surprised, not.

[Xipe Totec]

2. 2 males, not men n/t

[JayMusgrove]

3. exactly! n/t

[No Elephants]

17. Snap!

[Turbineguy]

60. Thank you!

How very kind to point that out.:toast:

[damntexdem]

11. What, the douche bags didn't throw teabags?

The wouldn't know genocide if they perpetrated it -- which would be all-too likely.

[onehandle]

27. Somebody give those guys female reproductive organs.

And knock them up with a family member or a rapist's baby .

That'll shut them up.

[musette_sf]

29. or an MRA's fetus

so they can find out how it feels to chase a selfish narcissist to get child support.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

4. I've often wondered

what these men's opinion on choice would be if THEY were the ones who had to carry a fetus in their body.

[VWolf]

5. In that case

abortion would be a sacrament.

[Vidar]

7. Nicely put.

[VWolf]

14. Thanks. It's a popular bumper sticker here in the northeast. n/t

[WriteDown]

13. I imagine the argument would also change is they had say....

over whether they wanted to pay child support. :shrug:

[musette_sf]

15. - 1

:thumbsdown:

WRAP IT if you don't want to pay child support.

or, in the alternative, DON'T DO IT WITH THAT WOMAN if you don't want to support your child with her.

that's when you get YOUR choice.

[WriteDown]

16. That is ludicrous...

You could also say that women should be on the pill if they WANT to receive child support or not have sex with someone who didn't wrap it right? Or are women just too fragile and intellectually inferior in your world? Why does it fall on the man? And why can't men have a legitimate shot of gaining custody after the child is born?

[musette_sf]

19. not my job to be anybody's incubator.

my body, my choice.

your choice ends when you make your deposit.

it's so easy, yet you spew invective and create nonsensical strawmen (or, for the purpose of this discussion, strawpersons) to avoid responsibility.

[WriteDown]

22. Yep...

Your body, your child to support if born. Seems simple since you are the one making the decision.

[musette_sf]

24. you ought to be ashamed of yourself

you belong on some MRA board, not on DU, with this nonsense. this anti-woman, anti-child ignorance does not belong on DU.

[WriteDown]

30. Just because you want to give a male parent some say...

does not mean you are anti-woman. Thanks for making my point.

[musette_sf]

32. the male parent gets some say

1. before he impregnates a woman.
2. if he is a good man and doesn't make unwanted babies, after birth.

otherwise, TOUGH SH!T.

now go listen to your hero, woman-beater and woman-hater Tom Leykis.

[WriteDown]

35. And the female partner gets none?

How misogynistic of you.

[musette_sf]

38. that is NOT the logical consequence

of stating WHEN men have their say.

and you know it.

you do not belong on DU as you are CLEARLY anti-woman.

if you were irresponsible and/or stupid enough to have to pay for one or more of your mistakes, made out of ignorance or lust, you have no right to take it out on progressive responsible women on a progressive message board.

[WriteDown]

39. Seems absolutely logical..

Somehow you think that women are too weak to make men use protection. I actually have faith that they can.

[musette_sf]

40. i said nothing of the sort.

i think nothing of the sort.

but i am getting more and more sure that YOU made irresponsible choices and bad mistakes, that you are now paying for, and you resent the entire female race in general because of it.

i've never had any problems with unwanted pregnancies, unwanted children, or chasing irresponsible scumbags down for child support.

too bad you weren't able to exercise similar planning and self control.

[WriteDown]

42. I have no kids, only dogs, cats, snakes, lizards, and frogs....

I've had a few friends that did. I'll tell you where I'm coming from. I had a very good friend who was very intoxicated while on vacation who "hooked up" with a girl while there. She became pregnant and did not inform him until right before the birth. It was actually between 2 other guys. He was ecstatic to be having a child, but knew the girl was not stable and immediately started to fight for custody. She was living at home with her parents, no job, not in school, smoker, etc. He was in him mid-thirties, making 150K a year with a nice house and very stable employment. He actually expected he'd win his case easily, but the judge wouldn't even hear it. After the ruling, she began to violate the custody agreement repeatedly and he's been back to court more times than I can count over the last 2 years.

All I'm saying is that each potential parent should be wayed by criteria such as income, stable housing, stable job, etc. Not just hand the kid over to a female.


As a mutual friend of ours said over dinner one night, "She could walk into court with a syringe hanging out of her arm, but she's still getting that kid."

[musette_sf]

45. "who was very intoxicated"

THAT'S his excuse?? and THAT should make HIM "Father of the Year"???

BOTH these AHs should not have children.

and MONEY does not make someone a better parent, something that the MRAs always ignore when they try to take children away from their mothers.

and since when does "smoker" equal "syringe hanging out of her arm"? many of our mothers were smokers back in the 50s and early 60s. it's not a good habit, but it's not the equivalent of being a junkie, which you and your friends seem to enjoy portraying this woman as.

don't have sex unless you are willing to accept the consequences.
child support laws now make sure that the consequences of bad decisions are more equitable.

and all you disgusting MRAs, back in the days before DNA testing, would be the first to scream "How do you know it's mine?" and walk away.
NOW you use science (and money) to try and take the child away.
either you want no part of it, or you have to own it and take it away.

[WriteDown]

46. You've exposed yourself. Mothers always make better

parents. Got it.

[musette_sf]

48. you only told your friend's side of the story

i don't know her side of the story.

MONEY is not everything and does not prove someone to be a "better" parent.

all i know about the woman is (1) she got pregnant, (2) she had the baby, (3) she smokes, (4) she has less money than the sperm donor.

i also know that the child has been living with the mother for years, and your friend wants to break that bond even though he admits that to him, the conception was a drunken encounter and he has no personal real interest or care for the mother.

sounds like an MRA woman hater to me who would do anything to hurt someone for whose mistake he is 50% accountable.

but then, i haven't heard her side of the story yet.

[WriteDown]

49. Yep...

Because women's side always carry more weight?

Militantism is really ugly.

[musette_sf]

51. yes, men's rights activism militancy is really ugly.

so the man's side should carry more weight? which is it? i don't know anything about the woman except that she is a bad judge of character to have hooked up with your drunk friend, that she has less money and resources than him, and she smokes.

[WriteDown]

52. I think you would object to ANY men's rights .nt

[musette_sf]

54. "men's rights" have been de facto privileges

throughout recorded history.

G-d forbid women should finally get some damn rights during a very small slice of the millenia of men's privilege and women's disenfranchisement.

some men cry like someone took their binky, when they finally have to share.

[WriteDown]

56. You are not talking about sharing though....

I'm sure you'd be fine with 50% joint custody in all cases where the request is made, right? Or maybe 60-40 in the man's favor?

[musette_sf]

63. joint custody is harmful for the children IMO.

they need ONE place that is "home". especially when the parents split.

and the non-custodial parent needs to man/woman up, be around as much as possible to contribute to the child's life, and NEVER put the other parent down to the child or in the child's hearing.

the ONLY reason i ever see men going for "joint custody" is because THEY DON'T WANT TO PAY CHILD SUPPORT. they would rather disrupt the child's life and sense of security, than pay up and do right.

but there's no lack of selfish, narcissistic people out there who will destroy any chance the child has to feel safe and sane in ONE home.

and to be bloody obvious since you really don't get it, YES there are men who should have custody of their child. and YES there are women who should pay child support. but the vast, vast majority of children have their mother as their custodial parent. it's not "unfair", it's just the way it is. you know, since the woman takes all that risk of pregnancy and giving birth and infant care and breast feeding and all that.

parenthood is when one should finally become an ADULT and do what is best FOR THE CHILD, not act out their sense of entitlement on a cruel 50-50 split.

and i was talking about sharing equality and human rights, BTW. a lot of men don't want to give away an iota of the disproportionate privilege they have enjoyed for millenia.

[WriteDown]

64. Nothing like denying a parent joint custody of his/her child...

Geez, how cruel.

[musette_sf]

66. i'm not one to quote Biblical stories

but in the King Solomon story, you'd be the parent who would be okay with cutting the child in half just to get your piece of flesh.

i see you deliberately did not address the sense of continuity and home that a young child NEEDS. going from house to house on some arbitrary schedule does NOT provide a sense of continuity and security for a young child.

only a narcissist would think that providing as much continuity and security as possible to a child in a divorce situation, is "cruel".

but i'm sure it makes great woman-hating fodder for you and your drinking buddies who couldn't keep it zipped.

[WriteDown]

72. No I'd be the parent who wanted their child to be exposed

to BOTH of their parents. Anything else is cruel. (Unless one parent is abusive, etc.)

[No Elephants]

18. Neither males nor females can avoid child support..

[WriteDown]

23. Very true...

but the courts award custody to the woman 9.9 times out of 10. Most times they won't even consider if the male could be a better parent.

[musette_sf]

25. take your MRA crap somewhere else

it is not appropriate on DU.

[WriteDown]

31. Fighting for each individuals right is exactly what DU

is all about. Wanting for courts to at least consider that a male parent may be the better care-giver is not anti-women in any way, shape, or form.

[musette_sf]

33. good men

1. don't make children they don't want to support.
2. don't impregnate women of poor character who may not be good mothers.

bad men, on the other hand, don't follow these simple precepts of life.

[WriteDown]

34. Neither do bad women. nt

[musette_sf]

36. so DON'T HOOK UP with "bad women"

and if you can't resist "bad women", WRAP IT.

you ran out of logic a long time ago. drop it. you are in the wrong and you know it.

[WriteDown]

37. Don't hook up with bad men....

And if you can't resist "bad men" MAKE him wrap it. Of course to you they are poor widdle women.

[musette_sf]

41. i think nothing of the sort.

but your projection abilities are close to delusional.

i've never had any problems in the areas of contraception or unwanted children. i'm kind of a control freak in those areas.

but it sure looks like you have discernment of character problems and urge control problems, from the content of your vile anti-woman and anti-child posts.

and it sure looks like you made at least one mistake in judgment and self-control that you are now (rightly) paying for.

TOUGH SH!T. bad choices have consequences.

[WriteDown]

43. Your last line could also be applied to women...

:)

[musette_sf]

47. if sexual congress results in a pregnancy

BOTH parties are responsible. child support evens out the playing field and enforces responsibility on both partners when they make a mistake.

if SHE is careful and plans her life and health care well, there is a good likelihood that she will not have an unwanted pregnancy.
if all her care and plans result in one of the failures that are possible no matter how careful one is, then she needs the right to be able to terminate the unwanted pregnancy as early as possible. it is her body and she is the one who would take on the health risk of carrying a pregnancy to term. therefore she gets to choose.

if HE is careful and plans his life and health care well, there is a good likelihood that he will not be involved in an unwanted pregnancy.
if all his care and plans result in one of the failures that is possible no matter how careful one is, then he needs to have enough respect for himself and for his partner to be able to talk with her honestly about the problem. if he doesn't have enough respect for her to do this, then he shouldn't have been intimate with her.

why would you be intimate with someone who you don't trust or respect?* this goes for men AND women.
* (excepting date rape or any other kind of rape)

[WriteDown]

50. The difference is that there is no way to enforce child support

actually being spent on the child. Fix that and you have at least a good portion of my support.

[joshcryer]

57. You win for most awesome OT flame ever.

I call it a flame because the people on DU have a very hard time understanding the basic premise of this argument.

[WriteDown]

58. Thanks I guess...

Sheepish :). And I thought it was an innocuous comment.

[joshcryer]

59. Don't say stuff like that in choice threads unless you are prepared for the onslaught.

Seems like you weren't quite prepared, DU actually had a lot of these debates when that FL guy wanted to make the same argument, a lot of us got a bad "reputation" for defending the premise.

[LanternWaste]

65. I'm sure you did...

"And I thought it was an innocuous comment. "

I'm sure you did...

[musette_sf]

67. oh, he knew full well it wasn't "innocuous"

he knows better than to post such anti-woman and anti-child crap on a progressive message board.

[LanternWaste]

68. Of course you're correct...

Of course you're correct. We oftentimes hide malice and pettiness behind safe-words and phrases, while still allowing our lack of class, and our lack of sense of responsibility, to be easily inferred.

My grandfather called people who do that "chickenshits".

I think some of our dear fellow DU-ers should realize that if you "don't want to dance with the one who brung ya, don't go to the dance..." (another grandfather homily... :) )

[WriteDown]

73. Yep...

wanting to have the father have any influence on his child shows malice and pettiness. :rofl: Don't you know, men are evil! :eyes:

[LanternWaste]

74. a lot of people dress the role of martyr more often...

"Don't you know, men are evil!.."

Wouldn't go so far as to say that. Only that a lot of people dress the role of martyr more often than we'd like to admit...

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

6. Why are the first amendment rights of these brave people being violated...

...by our fascist police state??!?!!!??!!!111

[musette_sf]

28. did you forget SARCASM tag?

[Gman]

8. I'm surprised it wasn't Code Pink

[spotbird]

12. It would be nice

Since it is in no way clear that Sotomayor is pro choice, but we're supposed to love her because she is Latina. I'm truly post-ratial, what she believes is most important.

[No Elephants]

20. You're surprised Code Pink did not interrupt Senator Feinstein to ask about the unborn?

[proud2BlibKansan]

69. Why would Code Pink protest at Sotomayor's hearing?

[Gman]

70. Who knows? Do they need a reason?

[proud2BlibKansan]

71. No they just do it for fun!!

:sarcasm:

[truthisfreedom]

9. Males who want complete control over women's bodies...

Typical.

[RBInMaine]

10. Were these "pro lifers" Republicans? The ones who START wars? How's that being "pro life"?

The RePUKES ! How dare they claim to be "pro-life" when their policies cause so much DEATH at home and abroad. George Carlin actually nailed it. They "love" the unborn fetus but once it is born, it's screwed. (No post natal care, no headstart, no quality education, no afterschool programs, no
college money, no healthcare, no decent wages, no Medicare, no Social Security). We have to STOP allowing them to call themselves "pro life."

[fascisthunter]

26. it's an issue that makes these cynical hypocrites feel righteous

[No Elephants]

21. I was watching and heard someone call out, but did not hear what he said Figured it was a RWer,

though

[florida08]

44. I find it interesting

that the same people who are against women's health are also against S-Chip for children's health. Is there anyone they want to help?

[musette_sf]

53. why do men demand total control?

and when they don't get it, why do they:

disrupt SCOTUS hearings
disrupt threads on a (supposedly) progressive message board with "men's rights" crap?

[noiretextatique]

61. and....

kill doctors and bomb clinics to "protect" the unborn :eyes::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

[fascisthunter]

62. because they are wimps

if they can't control something they fear that is. Trust me... I'm a guy and have known some who would bitch and moan about how they got someone pregnant and how the system is soooo unfair to the men.

One guy said as much while I was drinking with the boys. You wanna know what happened after he bitched and moaned?

I told him to stop drinking with us all, get a fucking job that will pay for the support and stop pretending you weren't at fault - the least you can do about it is be a man/grownup. I don't want to have to pay for your fuck-ups!

It just about led up to a fight, but I didn't give a shit nor was I afraid of someone that pathetic.

Oh yeah.. the best part... he was a republican.

[The Stranger]

55. What about Jay Bybee's memoranda trying to justify and condone torture of prisoners?

Why is he still on the bench?