Swine Flu Pandemic Now 'Unstoppable': WHO Official

[Purveyor]

Source: Agence France-Presse

GENEVA (AFP) — The swine flu pandemic has grown "unstoppable" and all nations will need access to vaccines, a WHO official has said, as 12 new deaths were reported and a study raised fresh concerns.

Britain, Brazil, Colombia, Mexico, the Philippines and Thailand all reported deaths on Monday, while Saudi Arabia shut an international school after 20 students were diagnosed with the A(H1N1) virus.

As the death toll increased, the World Health Organisation official said a swine flu vaccine should be available as early as September and all countries would need to be able to protect themselves.

A group of vaccination experts concluded after a recent meeting that "the H1N1 pandemic is unstoppable and therefore all countries would need to have access to vaccines," said Marie-Paul Kieny, WHO director on vaccine research.

Health workers should be at the top of the list for vaccination since they will be in high demand as people continue to fall sick, she added.

Countries would be free to decide on their national priorities, but other groups should include pregnant women and anyone over six months old who has chronic health problems, the WHO official said.

Read more: http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5g2KUEPBsrPEzHz6tOZ4fvGpk-eNQ

[timeforpeace]

1. Since it's unstoppable, worrying or freaking out about it seems counterproductive.

[virgogal]

4. Ditto !!! eom

[HughMoran]

106. Ditto!! Let the poor die while the rich get the vaccine!!

Is DU now infested with right-wing ignoranuses?

[Oregone]

8. Um, unless worried people who avoid congregating cut down on incidences

[Butch350]

67. ?!

?

[tavalon]

40. There is a difference between freaking out and paying careful attention

With every current case, we have one more chance for this to adjust into a far more lethal pandemic with the second or third wave. The WHO already failed at getting countries to practice social isolation to try to stop this pandemic, but there are other things we will have to do in the near future and you and I don't want to miss the memo or worse, denigrate the memo deliverers. This is potentially a really, really, really big problem.

[stray cat]

48. absolutely - lets not do anything about any infectious disease because they are unstoppable

we can save lots of money by eliminating public health surveillance and treatment for infectious diseases.

[raccoon]

56. "Eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow we may die. " nt

[HughMoran]

105. A vaccine is critical to lessening the number of deaths. This makes it a political issue

Unless you like the idea of poor people dying while rich get the vaccine or are not exposed.

Are you really that ignorant?

[WCGreen]

2. One advantage of having a chronic health problem...

[dysfunctional press]

66. yep.

i's one time that i don't mind being at the front of the line.

[Xenotime]

3. I hope healthcare reform happens before it starts really killing people here in the US

[virgogal]

5. Don't hold your breath on that one,but flu shots are usually free.

That is,if there are enough available.

[quidam56]

18. Too late...

As a former health care giver, I am shocked and saddened to see what has become of health care in America. $ 1. 4 million is being spent per day in DC by the health care lobbyists so your elected representative is getting taken care of and has quality health care we pay for and can't afford ourselves for our families, I know what is deemed, defended and supported in Tennessee and Virginia as quality health care and clearly profit care comes ahead of patient care. http://www.wisecountyissues.com/?p=62 MRSA ( methicillin resistant staphylococcus aureas ) is infesting our communities because filthy, uncaring hospitals and emergency rooms are breeding them and spreading them into our schools, homes, restaurants. How many more Americans' will be diseased or die while 74 % of Americans' are begging for health care reform ? More people died in America last year from MRSA complications than AIDS. When MRSA and a flu bug start mixing, it won't be pretty and we are being infected by the very health care system we depend on and trust to keep us safe and healthy.

[Grinchie]

31. Use Ozone like I do and kill the bugs first

Ozone is the worst enenmy of Big Pharma, and the Urban Mythology that helps keep it only used by the knowledgeable people is very effective.

Ozone is so many things, that there are scared shitless by it having the potential to reduce profits if people were to crawl out of the rabbit hole and try it for themselves.

[crikkett]

60. Can you support your statements about ozone?

All I know about it is that it triggers asthma, is a dangerous oxidant, and could kill my parrot.

[Grinchie]

80. In a nutshell, I'll be brief

It is an oxidizer. This is the primary means of energy production within our cells. When concentrated, it can be dangerous, just like Hydrochloric acid, which we produce everyday within our digestive tract.

As Ozone is an oxidizer, when breathed into the lungs, it can oxidize foreign contaminants, as well as the dead and damaged cells that have accumulated there. These then are readily removed through normal mechanisms and excreted. There is a well documented process know as the "Healing Crisis" which is most commonly assiciated with antibiotics and medicines that cause large amounts of dead bacteria, cells and viral effluent to be released into the body. The body has finite limits, and the cleaning mechanisms can be overwhelmed, and yield fever, aches and pains, etc. Taken too far, this will feel no different than a regular illness, but it is only the effect of the body cleaning out large quantities of waste.

If you have asthma, you already have something going on with your lungs. You have to try and identify how the asthma came about if you can. Smoking is also a good example of something that can cause asthma and damage to the lungs.

When I first started using Ozone, I definately felt an initial Healing Crisis, which I paid attention to. Slowly, my system was cleaned out and I've never felt better. Whenever I am exposed to dusty conditions, or get somehat more contaminated than usual, I can feel the difference, and recognize it now. The Ozone and it's cleaning effects remind me to not be so lazy and grab the 3M Filter mask for even the smallest sandpaper work.

I am more irritated by the extremely offensive scent used in Laundry detergent than the ozone being produced 24 hours a day in our living room.

As far as Killing a parrot, I have not heard that before, but I haven't seen any literature proving it. Makes a nice scary image, but I doubt that it's ever happened without intent or malice.

[crikkett]

101. thanks for your reply

I'll look into this more.

Birds have respiratory systems that are 1000x more sensitive than humans', so any contaminant will harm them. Hence the 'canary in a coal mine'... when I got mine I had to get rid of teflon, candles, perfumes, deodorants.


Thanks again.

[kimmerspixelated]

73. Tell me more about OZOne..

I believe in natural methods, and never heard of this.

[Grinchie]

81. Ozone has been around since 1893, when Tesla patented a process for producing it.

It is used in the FAR east to disinfect pool water instead of toxic and corrosive Chlorine.

It is used widely in europe, japan and china to disinfect hospitals.

My Octagenarian mom is exposed to it 24 hours a day in her house.

Ozone is the scapegoat used by the Auto and Petrochemical industry to shift the blame away from toxic, unburnt hydrocarbons, which are much mor toxic than Ozone, which is a naturally occuring substance.

You will see the statement "Primary constituent of Smog" in association with Ozone, while they don't mention that the high heat of combustion creat Oxides of Nitrogen with can react with solar energy and water vapor to creat Nitric Acid droplets in the air! Nah, no mention of that, but lets blame the Ozone that is created when that Nitrogen conversion occurs..

Frankly, I'd breathe Ozone before I'd breathe Nitric Acid droplets.

Ozone is nothing more than O3, O4, O5. Regular air is O2, and is the stable form we breathe every day. Take O2 away from us, and we will die is short order.

There is a great deal of Misinformation and Corporate influence present on information available on the web. The EPA and the CARB have sold out utterly to the Corporate interests, and have made it very difficult for inexpensive O3 generators to be sold in America. It is due to unwieldly regulations that purposefully try to instill a shadow of fear on the timind, or those that really don't have a clue about Biophysics and biochemistry.

For a good primer, try Ed McCabes book. He presents the material very well, and I've experienced what he writes about first hand. I'm convinced, and nobody will every be able to convince me that my health has not benefitted by the addition of Ozone into my life. I also recomend independeant study into Chemistry. It will help explain the nuances of why we are not Anearobic creatures, and have nothing to fear from oxygen given we have the knowledge to know the effective safe uses of it.

[FlaGranny]

39. I personally know three

people who had MRSA in the past few months. All of the cases were hospital-acquired. One of those previously healthy people is now dead. I wouldn't go to a hospital unless there were no other choice.

[FlaGranny]

38. It killed a 20-something

pregnant woman a couple of week or so ago in Palm Beach County. Her baby was delivered alive and well. There is another pregnant woman who, as we speak, lies in the hospital in an induced coma, who was very near death, but now seems to be getting slowly better. She is 27 years old and her baby seems okay. People ARE dying in the US.

[Xithras]

71. Killed a 21 year old college student in central CA last week.

One of the problems with swine flu you must be treated rapidly in order to be properly diagnosed and receive the correct antivirals. Young adults tend to not see doctors unless they are already very sick, which tends to be too late. That's why an unusually large number of deaths from swine flu have come from a demographic that's usually fairly immune to the flu.

Our college has contingincies in place to shut the entire campus down this fall if it gets too bad. Children in school are usually one of the primary vectors for spreading cold and flu bugs around communities, and health officials say that the Swine Flu hasn't done much damage in the U.S. so far simply because it hit just as school was letting out for the summer. Since the virus hasn't gone away or faded at all, there's a huge fear that it's going to explode once the kids get back in the classrooms.

[HughMoran]

6. I thought I heard that the vaccine was slow growing and supplies would be inadequate

I think they were talking about H1N1.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

17. yep, it's growing at one-quarter the usual rate...

they're starting new batches from scratch to see if they can find versions that grow faster.

[pipoman]

7. I wonder who is profiting

from the sale of this vaccine? Is there a relationship between the potential zillions of dollars for the vaccine and the WHO?

After all, there are around 100 deaths per day on the average associated with the regular seasonal flu IN THE US ALONE! World wide more than 600 deaths per day. WTF is the WHO hammering this drum siting 12 deaths worldwide?

[Oregone]

10. The fatality rate of this is 2X-3X as much as the seasonal flu

Stop with this meme already. The numbers seem to be holding steady in developed nations (although sample sizes are still small). More than 12 people have died.

[pipoman]

14. Spare me TEOTWAWKI

shit. I have no doubt there is a nasty version of the flu around. Has it claimed even one days worth of seasonal flu lives (600-1200)? No. Has it moved into towns and cities without leaving a path of bodies? Yes. Is there profit motive in vaccine production? Yes.

Pardon my skepticism, I vividly remember the big swine flu scare of the 1970's. Two people I know well ran right out and got the vaccine...they later developed Guillain-Barre syndrome. Read about the profit and political motives of that then get back to me.

http://www.capitalcentury.com/1976.html

[Oregone]

15. Do you hate epidemiology?

The numbers speak for themselves, in terms of morbidity. If the incidence rate climbs to the normal seasonal numbers, you will see at least 90K deaths in the US from this (and maybe double that, depending on medicine and ventilator availability).

Thats not an estimate based on fear mongering, but rather, the available statistics from known deaths. Sorry if I question your credibility, but citing on 12 deaths so far seems to illustrate you are in the dark (there have been over 40 confirmed in Canada alone)

Here is what Canada looks like:

[boppers]

20. Interesting data, nice curve.

How does it compare to traffic deaths?

Heart disease?

[Oregone]

23. Those would be straight lines, not increasing at an increasing rate

Their rate of increase, on a gross basis, would depend on the slow increase in population (though heart disease increases correlate, long term, to the rise of processed foods).

But over a year to year basis, they would mostly look like straight lines. X dying per week, and hence, 8 * X dying on the 8th week. This is an exponential curve, clearly and not linear. What could be 8000 this week could be 16000 in the next two month.

[boppers]

25. I introduced my point poorly. I apologize for that.

Roughly 80 people die of handgun violence in the US every day, according to some.
Shark attacks vary, and fluctuate also.

My point: While the data is interesting, even an exponential growth curve should, overall, be kept in perspective.

Based on the data you have, what is the projected 24-month global mortality rate for humans of child-bearing ages?

Put another way, is this a "blip", or something people should be freaking out about, or somewhere in-between?

[Oregone]

26. I'm not sure for 24 month

Just to keep it relevant to the US, a month ago they (I think it was CDC) said 90K in the next 12 months with a .3% to .6% fatality rate (but that depends on the fatality rate staying constant, and if it increases due to lack of medicine & ventilators it could grow higher).

The ventilator issue is a big deal and could really affect fatalities. Some people are on vents for 1 month or so, taking them out of circulation for a long time. As of now, there are enough for everyone, but if the hospitals are overwhelmed, they lose one big way to keep people alive. Here are some more details on that:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/canada-stockpiles-ventilators-for-flu-fight/article1207344/

Yes, people die all the time from a lot of different things. But if you can fight and prevent one source of death, why not try? I think everyone should focus on cutting fatalities across the board. The lack of action on one front does not justify the lack of action on another. It seems we have so much un prevented death from this and that, that people are completely desensitized or something. I guess we got to get started somewhere, and now is as good as time as any.

[boppers]

27. Point understood.

You rock, and do you have any ideas on direct action to ramp up vents and other care means?

[Oregone]

28. It means money will be spent. Someone is going to benefit

Seatbelt makers also benefited from seat belt laws. Thats doesn't make seat belts a bad idea

[tavalon]

33. It's a pandemic

That has nothing to do with its current lethality and everything to do with its rapid dissemination. Every person who gets this version of it increases the odds of it turning much more lethal - that's what flus attempt to do, its what they are made for. Pretty much no one has immunity to the H1N1, so while the people who are getting it in the first wave are getting a low lethality, rapidly spreading flu and those who get the second or third wave (coming this fall - pprobably everywhere) may be getting a much more lethal version and all country's healthcare will not be able to handle it.

There is no way to know what the global mortality will be in six months, a year or two years because it will have mutated by then. The swine flu scare last century was genuine and the possibility of high mortality was just as high as now. We somehow skated through on luck and a prayer, since the vaccine had little to do with us skating through and, in fact, was a horrible vaccine, as you know. If luck had been different back then, we would have experienced something more akin to the Spanish Flu. If our luck is good this time, we can skate through again, though it's looking less and less likely. This one is already showing an affinity for killing it's host through cytokine flooding, which is the same thing we have seen with H%N1, the flu that we thought was going to be the pandemic, but again, we got lucky.

Thing is, eventually, luck will run out. We will have a high lethality pandemic, whether it's this one (most likely candidate, at this point), guaranteed, absolutely guaranteed. It's the way flus interact with their hosts - many years, decades, even centuries of the regular flu season and then pandemics come and if they are pandemics combined with no host immunity, we get devastated. And no amount of healthcare reform will make a damn bit of difference then, because short of a really good vaccine at the ready, we can't treat those kind of numbers any better than we could at the turn of the last century.

About your question, should we freak out or not? Keep your ear to the track because your freaking out in no way helps but neither does your dismissing of it out of hand, from poor knowledge base. If we get a vaccine in time, I will take it because even with the risks, I know the possible danger coming and this could easily be the big one. If I had understood the danger when the last famous swine flu came down, I would have taken that vaccine too. If we don't get a vaccine in time, we will have to practice the social isolation that the WHO tried and failed to implement during the early stages of this pandemic. They might have been able to stop it in it's tracks but that horse is now out of the barn but social isolation will still play its part.

I find it sadly ironic that we in the medical community have been waiting for H5N1 to come down the pike and it was a similar sibling who slipped in through the back door instead.

[pipoman]

21. I think I'll go jump off of a bridge...

save myself this certain destruction of all humanity.

Pardon me if I don't heed the terror portrayed in your graph...reminds me of a sales tool I once used while selling insurance.

Edit..BTW did you happen to look at the link I posted above...déjà vu all over again, huh..

[Oregone]

24. Fine, go make out with a swine flu patient for all I damn well care

Just don't drag others down in the hole with you while you're at it.


Your complete and utter disregard for data and science is unsettling.

[pipoman]

36. 'Science' has been wrong on these predictions more than they have been right

sometimes with dire results, often worse than the proclaimed threat...(again see the link I posted above about the 1976 debacle)...especially when orgs like WHO are involved. Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't there like 6 weeks of 'the sky is falling tomorrow' predictions about this very illness last fall? Followed by a week of, ooops, we were wrong statements.

[tavalon]

44. Guess what?

A high lethality flu pandemic will come. It may already be here or we may have to wait for H5N1 to gear up (been waiting for that one a long time!) or it will be another but it will happen again, just as it has throughout human history. This isn't a prediction. It is scientific fact.

It is also a fact that all healthcare facilities will be overwhelmed within the first 4-6 weeks of a high lethality epidemic. It's a fact that healthcare facilities have been trying to gear up for this eventuality for the last decade. It's also a fact that human beings will have to care for their own family and friends when this happens because the hospitals won't be able to help after the first 4-6 weeks.

[pipoman]

84. When, exactly, was the last one?

[tavalon]

88. Here's a good site

Midway down the first page, there is the list. I knew there were three in the 20th century, but the last two were less severe. We can certainly hope that this one will be another mild one.

Edit: It helps when you actually put the linky: http://www.pandemicflu.gov/general/index.html

[pipoman]

90. So it looks like 1918-1919

and each one after had less effect than the previous. Have you ever read a modern medical guide from 1919? You will find nearly every bit of medical treatment to be either flawed or completely wrong. People in 1919 didn't wash their hands as we do now, they didn't, for the most part, have the sanitary conditions we find in nearly every home now much less in medical settings. They didn't have climate control in their homes. Hundreds of thousands died every year from infections. Pneumonia claimed thousands more children and elderly every year than it does now. By the 1950's conditions and public awareness had improved exponentially as they had by the late 1960's.

This, I guess, is the basis of my complacency on this issue. While I do, regardless of how it may sound, take flu seriously and usually get a seasonal flu shot. I also take this strain seriously simply because I work in a retirement community. We have physicians on staff who help us to minimize risk to ourselves and the residents.

I think that simply calling this 'swine flu' was perhaps the absolute stupidest thing I can even think of. The horrible side effects from the 1976 swine flu vaccine hasn't been forgotten by the very group most at risk if this does prove to be more than just another flu strain. Senior citizens now, were in their 30's and 40's in 1976, they remember the debacle and the tragedy which followed people getting the vaccine. I really would like to know who the rocket scientist was who decided to attach that stigma to this outbreak...just idiotic. These people are and will continue to be extremely skeptical of any swine flue vaccine, and rightfully so.

[tavalon]

96. You talk to me as though I haven't been in the medical field for the last 20 years

Your mistake.

[pipoman]

97. I don't talk to you any way

Re-read my post. I simply explained my position.

I posted my position because I was curious your take on the dramatic differences in life style and technology since 1919. Do you think that the 1919 flu would have been as devastating if we had the living conditions, availability to drugs and medical care, and public awareness about treating and prevention of common illness that we have today?

I was also curious to hear if you agree that the 'swine flu' moniker attached to this was a mistake. I would liken it to Toyota coming out with a new vehicle model called the Yugo, or the Slim Fast company coming out with a new diet product called Fen-Phen or Ayds. The name is not helping.

[Sigh Sister]

68. Um, your wrong.

This emerged in Mexico in March/April. And as far as I know, NOBODY has said "we were wrong" except for people who chose to bury their heads in the sand and hear only what they want to hear. Visit CDC or WHO websites and educate yourself. This is an evolving situation. Just because MSM barely talks about it anymore doesn't mean that it's gone away or that we shouldn't be concerned.

[pipoman]

85. You apparently were not around here last fall

when exactly what I said happened, happened. If you use your search feature you will find 6 weeks of panicked posting about holing up in your basement, drinking bottled water, and kissing your ass goodbye. This was followed by 2 weeks of, ooops, we over estimated the problem, carry on.

[Sigh Sister]

98. I did a search as you suggested

I couldn't find any threads from last fall regarding H1N1. If you could direct me to those threads, I'd really appreciate it. I truly thought this only emerged in March/April of this year.

[kimmerspixelated]

72. I couldn't agree more!

The vaccines they come up with are not going to be as safe as the general public seems to trust they will be. The WHO website even claims that the those given shots should be watched closely. Never mind, I'll go for my Oil of Oregano, etc, and pumped up immune system!

[crikkett]

63. .

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[kegler14]

41. You really don't have a clue, do you?

[tavalon]

42. Nobody is asking you to freak out, jump off a bridge or anything like that

We are asking you to pay attention and don't dismiss this.

People keep thinking this is no big deal because of its low lethality, but with each new case, we have one more chance for this to morph into something far more lethal and take down millions and most of society in the process. You need to know what to do now to avoid starvation, how to take care of your loved ones if this does morph because hospitals won't be able to help you.

Do you know what kind of respirator masks you and your family will need? Do you know and do you have the right amount of food and water stocked up? Do you have plans in place for your children if they aren't going to school this fall? And so on. These are things you need to already have a handle on. If it doesn't happen this fall or next, it will happen eventually, guaranteed. That's the nature of these bugs. We are well overdue for a high lethality pandemic. We've actually caught a small break in that this first wave, while no longer containable, has been low lethality. But, we lost the opportunity to contain this, so now, if it becomes high lethality, we have other things we have to be prepared for.

[Raster]

49. No, no, no...let him freak out and jump off the bridge...

Perhaps I can select an appropriate bridge, or perhaps drive him there?

[tavalon]

53. Nope. You need to practice social isolation

:hi:

[Raster]

55. Bummer. Hi from Fed Way!

[tavalon]

87. The boonies!

:hi:

[Grinchie]

32. I have never taken a flu shot in my life, and I'm not going to start now

Oh course, I believe in a life after death and reincarnation, so death doesn't frighten me in the slightest. Being disabled by a vaccination does. Will I protect myself from the flu? You bet.

Will I get a vaccination knowing that the Paharmaceutical companies have mixed avian flu with human flu not too long ago? No way. One would have to be out of their fucking mind.

Just remember kids, you can refuse a vaccination. There is no law on the books that requires you to submit to any procedure that breaks the skin. You must request it or allow them to vaccinate you voluntarily, otherwise, you can refuse.

Use your own judgement, but be informed and be prepared for the consequences.

I've been doing a lot of study on Louis Pasteur lately and I don't like what I'm seeing regarding Pasteur, and the monomorphism that he established.

I am much more cynical these days and prefer to do my own research, but I'm not going to fall for the hype until I'm properly informed.

[kegler14]

43. Oh Lord, another vaccine conspiracy nut. Please save us!

How about this? Both my wife and I had the flu 24 years ago when she was pregnant with our daughter. Talk about miserable. Gotten the vaccine every year since that and haven't had the flu since. Also haven't had any adverse reactions to the vaccine.

[tavalon]

46. Good.

We need you well informed. If you choose not to take the vaccine but utilize other methods to keep from spreading the flu, then that's fine. My son was very damaged by vaccines so I have a healthy suspicion around vaccines and I'm unhappy that this one is being developed under the gun but we knew it would have to be because we weren't going to get much advanced warning about which strain decided to break out. I'm amazed that we're getting this much of a break. It could have gone high lethality right from the start.

I will take the vaccine as will the rest of my family. I hate subjecting my son to it, but he's our weak link because he won't be able to use a respirator mask. The rest of my family has been fit tested and we have plenty of them available. We will be practicing social isolation as well.

[muriel_volestrangler]

51. That's alright, you can freeload off the rest of us

If enough of us get vaccinations, we'll help you a lot. You're welcome.

[Raine]

74. Same here

never had one, never will.

[kimmerspixelated]

75. Yea!!! Grinchie!!!

Yes, when one does the proper research, they find it is not always the way the mainstream world of medicine portrays it,and mix in the disgusting, evil profit mongering Big Pharma and a coupla biolab errors, and voila, ......madness, absolute madness! Have you read about the real beginnings of Polio and how the vaccines for it were started? That's when I first became disgusted with the world of panic and profit.

[Grinchie]

82. My dad taught medicine at a "University"

He was one of the first people to notice the first signs of AID's in the form of Kaposi Sarcoma outbreaks.

I have been involved in medicine through contact with my father since I was 7, and I still remember the discussion we had on the way to school.

Our library was stocked with amazing books that I read constantly, so I am very well adapted to research and independant thought. The more I research, the more concern grows that importants truthes have been systematically squelched, omitted and burried in order to maintain a profit oriented system.

One ownly has to travel back to the 30's and see innovative therapies utterly detroyed by the AMA and the powers that be, simply because Hard time had fallen upon us with the first great depression, and the acquisistion of money became paramount.

It appears that this mindset has remained, and we are living with the consequences. The works of Royal Rife, Weston A. Price, as well as the sophistication of the Violet Ray instruments of the day are very interesting. Not to mention that the same discoveries and findings have reappeared now and then via independant research. Most disturbing, is the recent death of John Kanzius, who, while utlizing a derivitave of Royal Rifes Radio wave treatment for cancer, discovered that he could disassociate Wayer into HHO gas, which burned on its own. He was featured on 60 minutes regarding his works.

He died in February of this year to little fanfare, and almost no media coverage. What is troubling is that this method showed an alternate means to split water molecules into it constituant components, similar to Stan Meyers water fuel cell technology.

All of this technology is related to health care in some fashion or another. Just take a look at Bob Beck's method of inducing Electrophoresis in vitro. It's all out there, hidden in plain sight

[kimmerspixelated]

100. Yes, I've read about these radio wave technologies.

Thanks so much for relaying your experience. Also, when I read how pap smears weren't introduced on purpose for a full 10 years when discovered as a test for prevention, because it would cut into the cancer industry profits, I got really sick. I want these evil fuckers out of the "health" system.

[crikkett]

61. that chart is not easy to read

oh now I see it's 38 deaths, 894 hospitalizations, 9717 cases.

.39% mortality rate, about 4 in 1000 cases.

[debunkthelies]

19. What scares me

Is the vaccine, untested for this virus it takes at lest 18 months to develop a flu vaccine for any type of flu and yet they are trying to push this shiznit on the general population.:puke:
As far as who profits...I can hear Donnie Rumsfeld laughing all the way to his bank in the Caymens.:rofl:
I'd rather take my chances with mother natures natural cures for this one.

[pipoman]

22. Me too...

I'm not saying I would never get a vaccination, but there will have to be better, and more reliable sources than WHO and Rummy.

[LeftishBrit]

103. You equate WHO with Rummy???

[kimmerspixelated]

76. Alright!!! Another non-sheeple!!!

Agreed!!!

[troubledamerican]

11. Donald Rumsfeld is profiting

http://money.cnn.com/2005/10/31/news/newsmakers/fortune_rumsfeld/

http://upswing.newsvine.com/_news/2009/04/26/2735113-donald-rumsfelds-swine-flu-vaccine-tamiflu-could-paralyze-or-kill-you-while-it-makes-investors-rich

http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/tamiflu.asp

[wroberts189]

12. Thank you. nt

[kegler14]

45. Well that's a REAL reason to avoid Tamiflu. Not.

[Mojorabbit]

69. Tamiflu is not a vaccination.

And not to worry, we have already have had more than three cases of tamiflu resistant H1N1 found in the past few weeks. If this resistant strain prevails in the end we will be in a world of shit esp if we end up with a more lethal mutation.

[Art_from_Ark]

13. Exactly

This once and future molehill is being portrayed as the next Mount Everest.

[valerief]

16. You mean Donald Rumsfeld's vaccine? nt

[dipsydoodle]

34. Not the vaccine itself

which is being manufactured by the major drug companies. Just Tamiflu to control side effects.

There is a downside to production ofthe new vaccine in such high volume - it will cause almost complete cessation of production of normal seasonal flu vaccines.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

50. 429 deaths worldwide not 12.

[BreweryYardRat]

52. So, less than 500 people out of 6 billion...and we've been hearing about this since January.

I'm not going to worry about the swine flu any time soon.

[Mojorabbit]

70. Well it only manifested in April

and we are only in the beginning stages of the pandemic. Don't worry about it if you don't want to but if you have loved ones you are responsible for, it might be nice if you look over some preparedness info for their sake.

[BreweryYardRat]

93. Nope. Responsible only for myself.

My mistake on the date, though.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

79. Convenient that you don't have to worry about it.

Some of us unfortunately do.

David

[pipoman]

91. I was referring to the article in the OP

not the actual numbers. Even so, the daily average death toll associated with seasonal flu is 600 to 1200 deaths per day 24/7/365. 429 world wide since last fall makes this sound like hype.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

94. Thanks for clarifying.

[madrchsod]

9. another article from the wisconsin state journal

http://www.madison.com/wsj/topstories/458158

http://www.slh.wisc.edu/

get your flu shot. my wife and daughter developed a really nasty flu and pneumonia last year.i had a shot in the fall and only had a mild case.

[cascadiance]

29. Hey, the bright side of being unemployed is that you're less exposed!

If you don't have to go to the office every day, the less likely you're going to catch it. Just trying to make those of us who are without jobs feel a little better...

[raccoon]

57. It may help the employment situation. :sarcasm: nt

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[eShirl]

37. months ago when they announced it couldn't be contained, I assumed that meant it was already unstopp

-able. n/t

[tavalon]

47. That is correct. It is unstoppable

Now, we get prepared for round two and if we're lucky, this turns out to be another low mortality pandemic. We've been lucky on that score for quite a while though, so it's coming.

[Grinchie]

86. With the dull roar of the Third Wave of foreclosure just becoming audible

The stress it will induce into the general public will permit even more serious outbreaks.

Those of us that have taken precautions and destroyed all debts, and prepared for the current collapse, are just not as stressed out as those who bought the Happy Puppy stories from the mainstream media.

If you live in fear, by all means, get the vaccinations. Not everyone needs them, or wants them, so I guess thats the final point on the matter.

I have my reasons to avoid vaccinations, and they are shared with my entire family, and it should not concern others.

[The Backlash Cometh]

54. Anyone have an earlier date than September on the flu shot?

[Mari333]

58. last night I felt like the island of Krakatau

a series of explosions . I hope this flu I have is the garden variety. I refuse to leave my bed today.

[crikkett]

64. I hope you get better

:hug:

[crikkett]

59. The irony is that Bayer can't get gov't to force their experimental vaccine on us

without a national health care system in place.

:popcorn: :tinfoilhat:

[Algorem]

62. Great.The useless eaters should be rioting by winter.

We can spray it on their gatherings by chopper.

[zenj8]

65. There are other means of protection besides vaccinations

I agree with those who believe the flu pandemic is a true concern. However, it seems to me that if most people were to take precautions now, it would mitigate the severity of any flu. If you work now to get your immune system in excellent shape and then take normal precautions during the flu season, you should be fine. If you get it, there are many natural ways to fight the flu. Visit the many websites on natural healing and you will see that there are truly alternatives to the vaccine. I must admit, that after reading everything I could get my hands on about vaccines, I decided never to have another one. I have been doing just fine without the mystery concoction that is the US-produced vaccine. Why take the chance with a vaccine when there are so many other ways to remain healthy?

[Raine]

77. Agree

I'll never forget the Swine Flu in the 1970's and how the vaccine made people sick.

[kimmerspixelated]

78. Well said!

Good-no- great advice!!!Welcome to DU!!!

[dipsydoodle]

83. Swine flu in winter 'for a third' - UK

A third of the population may catch swine flu this winter and the virus could be here for up to five years, the government's medical chief has warned.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8150609.stm

[depakid]

89. Already getting pretty nasty down under- where it's winter

SYDNEY'S swine flu crisis has worsened with the death of a fifth victim and 32 people fighting for their lives in intensive care.

The virus, once thought no more deadly than seasonal influenza, has become "unstoppable', the World Health Organisation says, but Australians may wait three months for a vaccine.

The number of cases in Australia is expected to hit more than 10,000 today after jumping by 778 in 24 hours. Experts predict the worst is yet to come, with a surge in deaths expected next month.

Royal North Shore and Royal Prince Alfred hospitals yesterday cancelled all elective surgery requiring beds in intensive care and staff have been issued with antiviral medication.

Elective surgery at St Vincent's Hospital, also struggling to care for victims, will go ahead, but clinicians at St Vincent's and Royal Prince Alfred have been put on standby to treat critically ill regional patients needing last-resort cardiac bypass treatment en route to Sydney.

Both hospitals have teams that can perform the treatment in road ambulances, but NSW Health has not ruled out sending more medical teams in helicopters if the situation across the state worsens.

A man, 55, with underlying medical conditions, died in St George hospital on Saturday, while authorities have yet to confirm that two men who died at Royal North Shore Hospital on Sunday were also infected.

The coroner was investigating their deaths because a cause of death could not determined, a hospital spokesman said.

Four patients at Royal Prince Alfred are being treated with cardiac bypass machines, while a woman, 48, is fighting for her life on a ventilator in St Vincent's Hospital.

All are healthy with no underlying medical conditions, prompting the Federal Health Minister, Nicola Roxon, to set up a clinical taskforce yesterday looking at why swine flu was striking young, healthy people.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/five-swine-flu-deaths-with-more-expected-20090714-dk5a.html

[D23MIURG23]

92. So is any flu.

Its good that there is a vaccine on the way, and obviously you don't want H1N1, but there really isn't much cause for alarm.

[Mojorabbit]

95. We won't know till fall

or even perhaps the flu season after that what will happen. It will mutate but it remains to be seen what we end up with.

[JonQ]

99. Unstoppable and relatively harmless

Sort of like the cold.

Infects a lot of people, kills very few.

Everyone panic!

[robcon]

102. All flus are 'unstoppable.' Every year about 250,000 people die of flu.

What makes this flu even more unstoppable is the alarmist nonsense about the deaths from swine flu.

Like the SARS and West-Nile viruses, there seems to be a cottage industry in proclaiming the swine flu as special.

[kestrel91316]

104. I much prefer it spread around, increasing herd immunity all the while.

And if it mutates into deadly form, it is NOT going to do so simultaneously around the world, but rather in a single location, from which the mutated version will have to spread worldwide.

I am not worried at this time. Mortality is still extraordinarily low for a flu virus, AFAIK.