Soldier balks at deploying; says Obama isn’t president

[brooklynite]

Source: Mobile Ledger-Enquirer

U.S. Army Maj. Stefan Frederick Cook, set to deploy to Afghanistan, says he shouldn’t have to go.

His reason?

Barack Obama was never eligible to be president because he wasn’t born in the United States.

...snip...

In the 20-page document — filed July 8 with the U.S. District Court for the Middle District of Georgia — the California-based Taitz asks the court to consider granting his client’s request based upon Cook’s belief that Obama is not a natural-born citizen of the United States and is therefore ineligible to serve as commander-in-chief of the U.S. Armed Forces.

Read more: http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/news/breaking_news/story/776335.html

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If he's uncomfortable serving under President Obama, I wouldn't want him to suffer. I'd discharge him -- dishonorably.

[Captain Hilts]

1. Tough shit, Private Hargrove, your responsibility is to your unit. nt

[roguevalley]

64. one dishonorable discharge STAT!

[navlisesatsan]

114. discharge

for what, since the orders were rescinded

[AzNick]

123. One less Freeper in position of command

Who needs a stupid birther / freeper in charge of troops in combat?

The guy will be made a fool by the Taliban.

[ohio2007]

99. Who the hell is Hargrove? "U.S. Army Maj. Stefan Frederick Cook " is protesting

Thats one way to get the mlitary out of Iran and Iraq imo

If the story grows legs

[mitchum]

102. It's a reference to a WWII book and movie

a nice reference also

[Captain Hilts]

103. Guess I should have said, "tough shit, Mr. Allison!"

[classysassy]

104. Pvt Hargrove

a ww2 movie,staring Robert Walker,the sequel was Cpl Hargrove.

[ohio2007]

106. Well this engineer is a little higher up the food chain. I doubt Hollywood will put together a scrio

I like the Korean war movie ending of

THE BRIDGES AT TOKO-RI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nPdVJQaci0&feature=related



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAdwasXRJhs&feature=related

[tabasco]

107. Hahahahahaha! Make that Private Cook.

Sorry, one idiot O-4 will not drive national policy.

[zipplewrath]

2. Corporal New

This guy seriously needs to look up the case of Coporal New. He's gonna regret it otherwise.

[Kittycat]

15. Do you have a link?

Google is broken (returning unrelated information).

[zipplewrath]

26. First name is Michael

http://www.mikenew.com/

[pasto76]

29. wow, give it up dude

I like this part in his timeline:

25 January 2001
George W. Bush is declared 43rd President

DECLARED, not "elected". ha

[SpartanDem]

3. Lock his ass up for desertion

[bluestateguy]

4. Throw his ass in the brig

If he protests further, then he can be accommodated at Guantanamo Bay.

[navlisesatsan]

115. Discharge??????

for what, since the orders were rescinded

[bitchkitty]

5. I don't think he should go either.

The United States doesn't need someone that stupid representing us in the military.

Let him serve the remainder of his service in the brig.

[RamboLiberal]

6. I say court martial his ass & sentence him to 8 years

The time Obama will be in office(I'm assuming Obama will be reelected).

This is especially despicable given this clown is a Major. An example needs to be sent to the any other soldier who wants to pull this crap.

This clown is an idiot and he has an idiot for a lawyer!

[Rocky2007]

28. I couldn't agree more

You are spot on with your comments!

[KakistocracyHater]

111. me too, Rambo-you've hit the bull's eye

. don't let them set a really bad precedent-get him locked up!

[navlisesatsan]

116. for what, since the orders were rescinded

for what, since the orders were rescinded

[NJmaverick]

7. Court Martial the asshole

he has violated numerous military standards with his unbecoming conduct

[navlisesatsan]

117. for what, since the orders were rescinded

for what, since the orders were rescinded

[Blandocyte]

8. As R. Lee Ermy Said in Full Metal Jacket

"Private Joker is silly and he's ignorant, but he's got guts and guts is enough." Takes a lot of guts to say your CIC isn't legit. But also alot of ignorance and silliness.

[Cha]

54. He's just ignorant, egomanical

asshole. Maybe he's a coward, too.

He was serving until he was deployed, wasn't he?

[auburngrad82]

9. He'd go if Shrub asked him to

Because Shrub was the bestest Persident ever. Series, dudes.

:sarcasm:

[kestrel91316]

10. Court martial time.......

[Jakes Progress]

11. Stupid is as stupid does.

[Xithras]

12. Wow, the hawks are circling on DU today.

A soldier refuses to deploy into an immoral and illegal warzone where he will be ordered to kill civilians and carry out abuses of basic Afghani human rights, and DU'ers are slamming him because they don't like his position. What is the world coming to?!?!

[WriteDown]

14. Cracks me up too...

obviously this soldier is a lunatic, but I'll give him points for creativity.

[Tempest]

16. But that's not the reason he gave

His reason was because he believes Obama isn't the president.

Throw his ass in the brig.

[cerebus2099]

72. You should read the article

instead of the cliff notes version

"Cook further states he “would be acting in violation of international law by engaging in military actions outside the United States under this President’s command. ... simultaneously subjecting himself to possible prosecution as a war criminal by the faithful execution of these duties.”

I don't know why's bothering with the citizenship shit, but maybe it's more due to his lawyer influence. Who knows.

[iverglas]

108. the article *is* the Cliff notes version - here is the real thing

(We call 'em Coles notes up here ...)

How about the horse's mouth?

http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/?p=3064
(excerpts below with my emphases; the document is very long)


His objection is NOT that the operation in Afthanistan is itself contrary to international law.

His allegation is that orders for him to participate in the operation would be given by an illegitimate authority.

APPLICATION FOR TEMPORARY RESTRAINING ORDER

... Plaintiff presents the key question in this case as one of first impression, never before decided in the history of the United States: Is an officer entitled to refuse orders on grounds of conscientious objection to the legitimate constitutional authority of the current de facto Commander-in-Chief? In the alternative, is an officer entitled to a judicial stay of the enforcement of facially valid military orders where that officer can show evidence that the chain-of-command from the commander-in-chief is tainted by illegal activity? In the alternative, does the issuance of orders based on a constitutionally infirm chain-of-command under Article II create or render military service as a mere “involuntary servitude” in violation of the Thirteenth Amendment which may be judicially enjoined?

... This suit is filed seeking purely injunctive and declaratory relief (and no money damages) and the Complaint to be filed ... states a claim that the Department of Defense and its officers, including the de facto President Barack Hussein Obama, as de facto Commander in Chief, together with Secretary of Defense Robert M. Gates, and Colonels Thomas D. MacDonald and Wanda L. Good as employees thereof, have acted illegally/i.e., without actual legal authority (valid chain of command) in issuing this order, or else failed to act in a de jure official capacity at all, or else have acted under color of legal authority by pretending that a lawful chain of command under the authority of a constitutionally qualified and elected President has been established ... when in fact, the current de facto Commander-in-Chief is not constitutionally qualified nor was he legally elected or appointed to succeed to the office of President of the United States.

... Plaintiff submits that in the absence of a constitutionally valid and legitimate commander-in-chief, he cannot serve to impose the military might and power of this country in a foreign land as a matter of principle. Plaintiff asks that he therefore be granted status as a conscientious objector on moral, religious and philosophical grounds, not that Plaintiff is a pacifist or in any way opposed to the use of military force to further the legitimate interests of the United States, but on the grounds that he cannot abide the notion that he might possibly be implementing by force the policy of a government whose executive power and commander-in-chief may have assumed power unlawfully and might have established themselves on a foundation of fraud, lies, and deceit.

... Plaintiff believes that his service in Afghanistan would be positive and serve the interests of world peace, the advancement of the people of Afghanistan, and the security of the people of the United States (and the allies of the United States in Europe and around the world).

His essential grounds:

That is of paramount concern, as Barack Hussein Obama’s original birth certificate was never provided by the state of Hawaii, but only a statement that there is an original “long birth certificate” document on file. The statement repeatedly provided by Hawaiian officials is quite simply incomplete, evasive, and without explanation of critical details: namely, whether it is a foreign birth certification or one obtained based on a statement of one relative only, or a late certification or amended one, obtained upon adoption by his stepfather. See Exhibit C: the Certification of Live Birth posted by Mr. Obama on the Internet, cannot be treated as genuine without examining the original on file with the Health department of the State of Hawaii.

Btw, speaking as a former/long-time lawyer, I would tell you that you really can judge a person by the lawyers they keep.

http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/

I won't reproduce this as I can't get it to downsize, but you don't want to miss it:

http://www .orlytaitzesq.com/images/DemocratHealthCarePlan,.jpg (source: Republican Staff)

remove the ^ space there

[SpartanDem]

19. You're actually standing up for this birther nut?

[Xithras]

23. I'm standing up for a soldier who doesn't want to fight an illegal war. Birther or not.

Liberty and freedom aren't just for liberals. Even idiot birther assholes should have the right to protest and opt-out of orders that are tantamount to war crimes.

[scheming daemons]

25. But he DOES want to fight in the war, just not with Obama as CiC

[Xithras]

31. Where does he say that? Assumptions don't count.

I read and re-read the article, and found no mention of him claiming that he wants to fight.

[SpartanDem]

35. He does not have to claim it

it's clear that his objection is not based on any moral standard.

[Xithras]

41. So...you're making an assumption.

No judgement, just making that clear. I'm personally making no assumptions other than the facts as stated by his legal complaint and the article. The guy doesn't want to go to war. He makes a legally baseless argument in an attempt to accomplish that, but his basic position remains that he wants to avoid war. I cannot, in good concience, tell ANY PERSON, that they have to fight in an illegal war simply because I don't like their logic. That standard applies even when we're talking about ignorant birther morans.

Nobody, liberal or freeper, should have to die in an ignorant and immoral war. No Afghani should have to die by an American bomb or bullet simply to satisfy our political whims.

[scheming daemons]

43. Not an assumption.... HIS OWN WORDS

He stated his reasons for avoiding the war. None of them have anything to do with a moral objection to it.

[SpartanDem]

47. I'm not assuming anything

I'm taking his arguments at face value he says that he does not want to deploy, because he doesn't believe Obama is the President. You're attaching unproven motives to his action

[Xithras]

50. No, I'm questioning the assumption that he'd go to war for a Republican.

Since it's a Republican war, started by a Republican, encouraged by a Republican controlled Congress, and merely continued by a Democratic administration too hawkish to end it as quickly as it should be, I simply don't buy the automatic assumption that this guy would run into battle waving a flag if it were a red state Rethug sitting in the CiC chair instead of Obama.

Yes, he's a birther idiot who claims that he doesn't want to go to war, and declares that the orders are illegal because Obama is an immigrant. That's not in dispute. What is in dispute is the assumption that you and others are making that he would happily go to war if there were a Republican in office. Re-read my posts, that's all I'm digressing on.

The guy doesn't say that he'll go to war for a Republican, merely that he doesn't agree with this administration. Unlike many here, I can apparently tolerate enough dissent to accept that. I'm not piling any motives on him beyond what he's already stated.

My fundamental and unassailable point that he shouldn't have to go to war is unconnected with any of this anyway. I don't think ANY soldier, not matter WHAT their political affiliation or viewpoint is, should have to fight in an illegal and immoral war. Anyone who disagrees with that basic sentiment should just burn their liberal card right now and get their asses over to freeperville.

[RamboLiberal]

62. This guy states he'd go to war - just not under Obama

And you have no right to tell any of us to get over to Freeperville! You're ascribing your stand on this war in his defense. Believe me this jerk would consider you a non-citizen for your anti-war stance and wouldn't welcome your defense.

[theothersnippywshrub]

80. He is a coprophagic freeper who claims that he went to war under Bush-Cheney. n/t

[cerebus2099]

73. You should read the actual article

Cook further states he “would be acting in violation of international law by engaging in military actions outside the United States under this President’s command. ... simultaneously subjecting himself to possible prosecution as a war criminal by the faithful execution of these duties.”

[ingac70]

48. The guy is an officer. This has everything to do with....

him being a right wing asshole and nothing to do with moral objections.

[Tempest]

70. You're making the EXACT same assumption

The facts in his legal complaint is that Obama isn't the CIC.

You're making everything else up.

[fascisthunter]

85. that's a lot of spinning for a right wing idiot who won't serve under Obama

he did it for political reasons alone and you want to spin this into something as honorable as those who didn't want to fight in an unjust war/occupation?

[iverglas]

110. your statement is just flat-out baseless, and *incorrect*

See post 23.

"Plaintiff believes that his service in Afghanistan would be positive and serve the interests of world peace, the advancement of the people of Afghanistan, and the security of the people of the United States (and the allies of the United States in Europe and around the world)."


The enemy of your enemy very often is NOT your friend!!

[iverglas]

109. I should have been quicker - see post 23 for his words

"Plaintiff believes that his service in Afghanistan would be positive and serve the interests of world peace, the advancement of the people of Afghanistan, and the security of the people of the United States (and the allies of the United States in Europe and around the world)."

[scheming daemons]

42. He's stating his reasons for objection. It's right there in the article.

None of the reasons have anything to do with a moral objection to the war in Afghanistan.

His sole reason, as stated by himself, is that in his mind Obama is illegitimately in office.



You're attaching your reasons for being against the Afghanistan war to him. He does not share your reasons, based on his own words.

[RamboLiberal]

51. He said he's go - just not under Obama

Cook told WND he’s ready, willing and able to carry out the military needs of the United States, but he raised the challenge to Barack Obama’s eligibility to be president because if he would be captured by enemy forces while serving overseas under the orders of an illegitimate president, he could be considered a “war criminal.”

http://aconservativeedge.com/2009/07/12/u-s-army-reserve-major-stefan-frederick-cook-challenges-obama-eligibility-to-be-commander-in-chief/

[jberryhill]

100. It says so in his brief

He is roaddog727 at freeperville, if you want to check out his personal sentiments about war.

Or, check out his recent weapon parts purchases at a gun part auction site.

But his brief is absolutely clear he wants to fight, and volunteered for this deployment.

[lolly]

129. He volunteered to deploy to Afghanistan

So that he would have standing in a legal challenge to Obama's authority.

Then, after volunteering, he filed the lawsuit.

So, his commanding officer said alright then, don't go. That's why the "orders" (actually, the acceptance of his offer to deploy) were "rescinded."

[droidamus2]

33. Agreed

I agree with the idea that even somebody already in the military should be able to take a 'concientious objector' stance, but that is not what this guy is saying. He is not claiming that the war is immoral or illegal or that he doesn't believe the US and therefore its military should be involved. He is saying that he doesn't think the duly elected President of the United States was rightfully elected and therefore he doesn't have to follow his orders as commander in chief. As a soldier he has a right to not follow what he feels are unlawful orders but as a soldier he is also open to punishment if his judgment is determined to be wrong. He doesn't have the right to ignore the President. At the very best he could state his case and follow any orders until the case is tried. His is not a complaint of conscience or law but a very weak political stunt for which he should be severely punished as an example to any other fool that wants to try this kind of trick.

[MilesColtrane]

39. Major Cook had the freedom NOT to join the Army years ago.

Now the time comes for him to do his job and deploy, and he's trying to get out of it by making shit up about the President.

Fuck him.

The Army's main job is to break things and kill people. This guy knew that when he voluntarily joined and started drawing his paycheck from our tax dollars.

[Alhena]

60. What exactly is "illegal" about the Afghanistan war?

All wars involve cruelty, but what exactly gives any particular war the stamp of "legality" in your strange worldview? What wars do you consider to be "legal"? Can you get sued for starting an "illegal" war?

As wars go, the Afghan war is well ahead of the curve- we were attacked by terrorists who were using Afghanistan as sanctuary and are still trying to do so.

[Yupster]

122. Congress hasn't declared war

and only they have the right to do so.

Which makes every war since WWII illegal.

[Blandocyte]

22. Xithras, why do you hate America?

;-)

[Ztolkins]

44. I think it's due to the fact that he thinks the CIC...

Is illegitimate, and not a principled stand against an illegal war. The guy is nuts

[RamboLiberal]

55. He's a Freeper - I bet he'd enjoy killing civilians and carrying

out abuses of Afghan human rights - he says he wants to go - just not under Obama whom he considers illegit as President.

Geez - why are you defending this guy - he's not doing this under any moral or humane principles!

Those of us who consider him an asshat aren't Hawks for it!

[Winterblues]

57. That is not why he is refusing, he has no problem at all with killing and maiming.

He just doesn't like a black President..

[Cheap_Trick]

61. Maybe if THOSE were the reasons given.

And not "We lost, and I'm gonna be a big baby about it."

[teknomanzer]

63. If he doesn't want to go to war based on moral objections...

That is one thing... but his argument is NOT based on anything you brought up. Here is a coward hiding behind a pile of bullshit. Why should anyone on this site sympathize with this POS.

[ButterflyBlood]

13. Here's a good Top 10 Conservative Idiots candidate

With extra emphasis on the "Idiot"

[pattmarty]

17. What I want to know is how in the fuck did this ass hole make Major????

If this is the caliber of "officers" in our military, we are in a HUGE world of hurt.

[subcomhd]

37. exactly

When I saw the headline i assumed it would be some dumb-shit private who barely made it out of high school. But an officer?!? A Major?

[14thColony]

77. Simple

He has a) a pulse, b) no convictions by court martial, and c) enough time in grade as a captain.

That's about what it takes to make major nowadays.

So many captains and majors are leaving the services right now (esp the Army), to make up the numbers they're having to promote much larger precentages of captains from each upcoming year group. People that would have had no realistic chance 10 years ago have pretty good odds today. Same thing for lt colonel. I think the rate for my board was like 90%. 10 years ago that would have been 60%.

[pattmarty]

82. Then what does that say for our military today? You sound like you served.

can you explain first what rank you achieved and did you retire, and second what in your opinion does this mean for our military?

[14thColony]

90. I am still in the military

I'm a regular (active duty) lieutenant colonel. I hit 20 years this December, and I'm gone after that. It's been a good run, but I have chosen to get off the train where I am and not seek promotion to colonel.

In my opinion (and I emphasize this is solely my opinion) I think we're on the same path that led to the 'Hollow Force' following the Vietnam War, when the US military was burned-out, exhausted, and broken. Many officers left early, many bright kids chose other career paths, and because of the lack of a large group to select from, officers who should not have been promoted to higher ranks got promoted. Some were still around when I came in in 1989. Fast-moving events like the First Gulf War showed that they could not cope under the stress of real combat operations, and many of them ended up retiring or being culled in the early 1990s.

[pattmarty]

92. I don't want to give you that syrupy "thank you for your service", but..........

.............I do appreciate that you "chose" the military as your career and do APPRECIATE your honesty. I am a liberal, BUT I do believe that we need a strong, ready military and hope that it can be "rebuilt" with the kind of quality people we had in the past. Thanks for the reply, it was enlightening.

[14thColony]

94. My pleasure

I'm extremely liberal myself (at least by American standards), as are a surprising number of my compatriots in the officer corps. The majority are probably right-of-center, and certainly some are right-of-Hitler, but I think you'd be pleasantly surprised how many left-leaning officers there are. I must admit I was rabidly right-wing when I was at university (not a military academy, a state school), and for a period of time after I became an officer. But exposure to the world outside the United States quickly taught me that there are two worlds: the world as you pretend it to be based on your ideology, and the world as it really is, which is far more complicated to understand. I chose to accept the world as it is, and 20 years later here I am way over on the left.

I agree the US needs a military, but I question how big it needs to be and how far-flung it needs to be stationed around the world. If the purpose of the military is to defend the territorial integrity of the US, then all we need is a military capable of defeating a simultaneous Canadian and Mexican invasion, which I expect would be about a quarter the current size. But if we want a military capable of securing the farthest edges of the empire and imposing our will worldwide, then the one we have ain't near big enough. I vote for a pre-WWII military posture of economic and diplomatic engagement, but military disengagement. God knows I've loved living in Europe and other great overseas locations, but perhaps we need to re-examine why so many of us are in so many places far outside the US. That's evidence of empire, not defense.

[pattmarty]

95. Good luck sir, in your retirement.

[truthisfreedom]

18. Soldier balks at deploying; says he's delusional

Pretty much sums it up.

[No Elephants]

20. If he is that stupidly partisan, we don't need him around Democrats anyway.

[Christa]

21. So this is his excuse?

Tough shit, he is your president, you racist moran.

[TomClash]

24. Yet another Chicken Hawk

Is he related to Cheney?

[JayMusgrove]

27. Here's a question I never got an answer to from the birthers...

Who do the birthers think Obama's mother was? What about his American maternal grandparents?
Who to the birthers think those white folks were? Stand-ins? Was he adopted from Africa? Is there a theory they have for all that?

Are they so stupid as to think that when an America woman has a child anywhere in the world, (let alone our 50th state) that that child is NOT an American citizen?



It never ceases to amaze me how these guys wind up getting all this attention.
I would also like to know what this one thinks of black people in positions of authority, because I'm sure that under this bullcrap smoke there is the fire of racism.

Maybe he's just crazy, so a good mental hospital can fix him up and give him a dose of reality.

[Melinda]

30. "Are they so stupid as to think ...that that child is an American citizen? "

"Are they so stupid as to think that when an America woman has a child anywhere in the world, (let alone our 50th state) that that child is an American citizen?"

What you mistakenly wrote ^^^ is what they believe.

You might want to edit a Not into that sentence.
:)

[JayMusgrove]

32. Thanks.... done! n/t

[brooklynite]

45. Let's clarify the crackpots...

There are two distinct groups with different philosophies, both of which lead to the same conclusion:

The first group doesn't dispute that Obama's mother was American; however, they claim he was born outside the United States (the location varies) and thus he doesn't qualify as a "Natural Born" citizen. The notion of an "outside America" birth being an obstacle to the Presidency has actually been the standard legal assumption for awhile (but never legally challenged).


The second group doesn't (necessarily) dispute that Obama was born in the United States, but claims that, because his father wasn't American, then he isn't other. They say only children of two citizen parents qualifies as "Natural Born". The notion derives from the anti-immigrant movement that doesn't want illegal aliens who give birth here to get citizenship for their children. However, this position has never been recognized legally.

[JayMusgrove]

65. Thanks for those "explanations" of their madness.

I never really paid that much attention to them, so I guess I missed their "logic".

[provis99]

83. I wonder what the birthers position is on McCain

given that he was born in Panama, and the law defining natural born wasn't passed until after he was born. McCain ironically was legally ineligible to run for President; we all just ignored that for some reason.

I think this whole birther thing is another example of republican projectionism. Their man wasn't eligible to run, so that must mean somehow that Obama wasn't eligible, either.

[brooklynite]

87. I think at least one of the crackpots challenged McCain as well...

Don't forget, Alan Keyes was also a Presidential candidate (sort of)

[Yupster]

124. The McCain situation was settled by the Supreme Court

in 1964.

There was a challenge to Barry Goldwater running since he was born in the Arizona Territory.

The Supreme Court ruled that territories of the United States qualified the same as states for being natural born citizens.

[Name removed]

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[Name removed]

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[lolly]

120. Isn't there a 3rd group somewhere?

I think one batch believes he was born a citizen, but he (or his stepfather on his behalf) renounced his U.S. citizenship in Indonesia or somewhere when he was 5 or 6 . . .

[Yupster]

126. Something to do with a passport

Supposedly he had an Indonesian passport and was a citizen of there, and Indonesia's rules didn't allow for joint citizenship at the time.

I have no idea of the rules back then but that's one of their gripes.

[RamboLiberal]

58. They claim she was too young when she gave birth

to Obama (if in another country at the time like Kenya) for her U.S. Citizenship to be automatically conferred to him. I'm at work so I don't have the time right now to wade through the Birther's swamps on the net to find that info. But I remember reading/hearing that as one of their numerouse talking points to prove he's not a citizen.

[JayMusgrove]

66. Thanks for all of your efforts. I really really really don't need to

have you do a lot of work on this. Whatever arguments they use, they are all faulty, and based upon their fears of black men in power and authority, IMO.

[JonLP24]

34. You pretty much got to commit rape, murder, etc to get discharge dishonorably

Pretty much if anything will be Bad Conduct which is a felony or OTOH discharge. But if you're willing to discharge him just because he asks to doesn't mean you get to label he discharge as dishonorable.

[ingac70]

38. He isn't asking for a discharge...

He's claiming to be a conscientious objector.. he's a Major at that.

[JonLP24]

40. From the article that isn't what he is claiming

As far as I know he is still reporting to duty or what not and filing the legal motions to not deploy based on his belief. I'm sure he'll be denied if he uses a birther argument but my point was referring to the OP that says I'll gladly discharge him dishonorably but it isn't that simple is all I'm saying.

[bowens43]

36. put the asshole in jail........

[navlisesatsan]

118. for what, since the orders were rescinded

for what, since the orders were rescinded

[Xenotime]

46. Who is THIS guy?!? Pailin's husband? What a fucking idiot.

[brooklynite]

49. BONUS! - Guess which political blog he subscribes to...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2137832/posts#21

To: davidosborne

Count me in.

[e-mail]

Thanks.

V/R

MAJ Stefan F. Cook

[Robb]

56. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!

Oh, lordy. :D

Edited to add: someone get this to KO et al.

[JayMusgrove]

67. Maybe we should just put all Freepers in jail, somewhere in Cuba

[pattmarty]

93. Yeah, "Rush" said that the food is excellent and the "accomodations".....

.....are four star. I actually would be in favor of nuclear testing at least for one last test if we could get all of them there as "guests".

[Lochloosa]

69. You should start a seperate thread on this one.

I'll bet it makes the greatest page. Even with my unrec. :evilgrin:

[Cognitive_Resonance]

52. Throw the loser in the brig. nt

[navlisesatsan]

119. for what, since the orders were rescinded

for what, since the orders were rescinded

[lolly]

130. Abuse of legal system

And trying to manipulate the US military to further his political beliefs.

He VOLUNTEERED to be deployed to Afghanistan ONLY so that he would have standing to file this suit.

[JackRiddler]

53. Can't this ass find a real reason...

like that the war is wrong?

To those who are sounding like bloodthirsty neo-freepers here, this isn't desertion - it's a refusal to serve. The distinction is important.

[aquart]

59. Do we want him in our army?

Do we want other soldiers' lives to depend on him? Let him go train to be a pharmacist who denies women birth control.

[JayMusgrove]

68. How did he get to be a Major??? I thought one had to have a brain

to succeed and get promoted that high in the military.

[JackRiddler]

71. You're kidding right?

Curtis LeMay? Lyman Lemnitzer?

They may even be smart, but brains is hardly a determining factor. Too much brains and you're very unlikely to even be in the military, let alone rise to the top.

You want to know what gets you to the top of the military? Look up the suppression of the Bonus Army in Washington DC. Check out who the military commanders were for that action.

[14thColony]

78. At present

One merely needs enough time in grade as a captain, and to have done a reasonably adequate job as a captain, to make major.

The mid-level officer corps across the services is being decimated by junior officers getting sick of it and walking away. But the services still need X number of majors, even though the Y number of captains is dwindling at faster-than-expected rates. Results: a greater percentage of captains have to be promoted to create the number of majors required by the services. Therefore people who wouldn't have had a chance 10 years ago are solid contenders for promotion today.

[Adelante]

81. He's a reservist, not career army

I don't know if it makes a difference. But from what he's posted to his FR page, he was a defense contractor for a couple of years and was called up in the reserves 2005-2007 (I think). If that's what he's got, how do you suppose he gets to be a major? I've been wondering about this today. Thanks.

[14thColony]

89. The two promotion systems are by no means identical

but they're also not THAT different either. I work with plenty of reserve officers who are contractors or government civil service. I see them 50 weeks a year in a suit, 2-3 weeks a year in a uniform.

If he already did one or more combat deployments to Iraq or Afghanistan, plus extended time in uniform, it's not hard to see him making major. The Reserves are (I believe) in at least as dire straits as the regular forces in terms of mid-level offices getting out and them needing to promote higher numbers of junior officers to make up for the loss.

[Dutch]

97. Can I just say a quick thank you

Your posts on this thread have been particularly helpful and illuminating.

[14thColony]

105. You're welcome

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[atreides1]

75. You're just afraid.

The man isn't sincere about his so called reasons for not wanting to go, and it would have sounded better if he had stated that regardless of who the president was this war was illegal.

But that's not what he said, his main reason is that he does not believe that Obama is legally the president, which in his mind makes this war illegal.

As for the situation in Afghanistan, the 9/11 attacks were planned there and it should have been taken care of, while the invasion of Iraq should have never happened.

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[Lorien]

79. Geez, how many times do Hawaiian officials have to certify this:

[Deadric Damodred]

84. If he wants out of service, without a dishonorable discharge...

...there is an easy way to do it. It's the same way you could use to get out of a draft situation. He should just say he's gay and start hitting on and trying to kiss the men around him. It may end in a black eye and bloody nose, but it will get him discharged for being gay. That's why I hope they never change their minds on gays in the military, because it's the one easy way out.

[Big_Mike]

86. He is no different than any other soldier who refuses to deploy.

Slam his ass!

I said slam SPC New back over the blue beret thing.

I said slam any of these current soldiers who enlist then refuse to deploy.

And, for him, since he is an officer, charge him with Article 88, Contempt towards officials.

Let him hang out at Leavenworth for a while.

"Hmm boy, you looking awful good in them jeans..."

[crazyjoe]

88. orders rescinded, no explanation

[jberryhill]

101. No, the orders state that the commanding general doesn't want his services

...in Taitz' brief filed today.

[Rwalsh]

91. Wasn't there a similar case a few years ago?

About a soldier who refused to serve because Bush wasn't president?

[fascisthunter]

96. you mean because the Supreme Court actually Undemocratically

seated the moron?

Obama is an American... it's ben proven.

[ohio2007]

98. Saw an article that the Army Reserve major from Florida got his orders cancelled. The engineer is

not going to Afghanistan to rebuild the country it seems ;

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=104009

don't know how reliable the source is but if true,
AP will run it

[GoddessOfGuinness]

127. His attorney's pic

would make a great dart board.

Son of a bitch should be court martialled. :grr:

[Boddingham]

112. I don't care for what reason he does not want to serve.

Oh, he would kill all of the brown people in sight depending on where the President was born? In illegal wars? Uh huh.

If he does not want to serve, let him go. Nobody should serve in those fucking illegal wars anyway.

[Turborama]

113. Major Cook volunteerd for deployment to Afghanistan then filed a lawsuit asking to get out of it

From an enlightening http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200907160002">post on Medimatters by "harley"

A few more notable links:

http://belowthebeltway.com/2009/07/15/us-army-to-orly-taitzs-mutinous-major-thanks-but-no-thanks/
http://belowthebeltway.com/2009/07/15/orly-taitz-stefan-cook-and-the-birther-parade-head-to-georgia/

February 1, 2009: Major Cook signs on as a “military Plaintiff� with Orly Taitz, a phenomenon I noted back in February

May 8, 2009: Major Cook volunteers for deployment to Afghanistan

July 10, 2009: Major Cook files a lawsuit asking to get out of his deployment because Obama is not a “natural born citizen�

Something smell fishy to you ?

Yea, me too.

More proof that teabaggers are the dumbest "people" to inhabit this planet.

[GoddessOfGuinness]

128. Very interesting...

Good find!

The pecker obviously had no intention of serving in Afghanistan to begin with.

[wroberts189]

121. Court marshall and dishonorable discharge. nt

[GoddessOfGuinness]

125. Dumbyass wasn't president

and that didn't stop people from serving.