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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 04:04 PM
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Michigan unemployment tops 15%
Source: CNNMoney.com

By Ben Rooney, CNNMoney.com staff writer
Last Updated: July 17, 2009: 11:52 AM ET

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Michigan became the first state in 25 years to suffer an unemployment rate exceeding 15%, according to a report released Friday by the Labor Department.

The state's unemployment rate rose to 15.2% in June. It was the highest of any state since March 1984, when West Virginia's unemployment rate exceeded 15%.

Michigan, which has been battered by the collapse of the auto industry and the housing crisis, has had the highest unemployment rate in the nation for 12 months in a row.

Rhode Island had the second highest unemployment rate at 12.4%, followed by Oregon at 12.2%.



Read more: http://money.cnn.com/2009/07/17/news/economy/state_unemployment_report/index.htm?postversion=2009071711



And that's only the *official* figure ...
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 04:05 PM
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1. Well, it's definitely a depression in Michigan. nt
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scarface2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 04:40 PM
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2. that means 'unofficially' its probably 25%!
damn statistics
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-18-09 07:59 PM
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13. Living here I would say that is very close to the truth. The scammers are out trying to take
Advantage of people looking for work.
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happyslug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-18-09 11:24 PM
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19. We are talking of the U-3 Rate, the U-6 Rate is always higher
The difference between the U3 rate (The official Unemployment rate using) and the U-6 Rate (Unemployment including those marginally attached to the Work Force) is roughly 6 percentage points, NOT a multiple of the U-3 rate:
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t12.htm

Last OFFICIAL Unemployment statistics (Published for the yearly period ending the first quarter of 2009, the Department of Labor does NOT believe its surveys of Unemployment are accurate enough to provide good data on a state by state basis for monthly unemployment, it does publish the U-3 rate on state by state basis, but NOT U-6 do to this lack of good data).

U1, U2, U3, U4, U5, and U6 rates ending March 31st, 2009:
http://www.bls.gov/lau/stalt09q1.htm

Department of Labor Statistics:
http://www.bls.gov/data/#unemployment

More on Unemployment in general:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unemployment

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bif Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 05:15 PM
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3. It's probably double that.
I know tons of folks here who are out of work, including me. And I don't count because I'm not collecting unemployment.
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llmart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 09:11 PM
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8. You are so right.....
It is closer to 30%. So many people aren't even eligible for unemployment benefits - part timers or those whose benefits have expired. I'm afraid, too, that every time the numbers reportedly increase, more employers become too cautious and make more cutbacks and people hang onto the money they do have. It's a vicious circle.
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 05:53 PM
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4. K&R
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 05:55 PM
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5. My poor home state. Still a place of wondrous beauty.
Still Home, too, and I'm going back some day.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 05:58 PM
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6. Ah... We slipped to third now!
Edited on Fri Jul-17-09 05:58 PM by cascadiance
Should I cheer?

:eyes:
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vssmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 06:02 PM
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7. I know people out of work too but...
it is strange how the restaurants are all full on Friday night.
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 10:53 PM
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9. Not in the UP. Northern Mi is suffering too.
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quakerboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-18-09 11:30 PM
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20. not here
not here. i take clients out to eat regularly. every sitdown has been telling me how slow business has been for months now
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-18-09 12:34 AM
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10. I feel bad for the folks in Michigan.
Reminds me of West Virginia in the 1970s when so many mining jobs were lost, never to return.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-18-09 08:46 PM
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15. I wonder how many people who are out of work in Michigan
now are from families who left Appalachia 40 years ago.
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-19-09 01:37 AM
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22. I know at least one guy.
He lost his factory job there and moved back here. He never was able to get another job but at least here he could live with his mother.
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Dulcinea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-19-09 06:42 AM
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24. Or Pittsburgh in the early '80s.
When the steel mills closed down, western PA had unemployment in the 10-15% range. But Pittsburgh reinvented itself. I hope Michigan can do the same.
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caseymoz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-18-09 01:19 PM
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11. Employment better not be such a "lagging indicator" in this recovery.

The country might have an insurrection if it is.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-18-09 03:48 PM
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12. Agree it's probably much, much higher ... I was going to say 30% . . .
And it seems to be that Michigan has had a depression for 20 years now?
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llmart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-18-09 09:03 PM
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16. 20 years????
You are wrong. I moved here 17 years ago and I couldn't believe the material things people owned, the big houses, the mulitiple vehicles, the vacation houses up North, the boats, the Skidoos, the huge bonuses the big three gave out in the early '90's. I could go on and on. No, this is within the last 5 years or less.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-19-09 01:02 AM
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21. In five years they went to 15% . . . ???
Meanwhile, had in mind "Roger & Me" . . .

Obviously, there has been a lot of wealth in Michigan among elites --
didn't think the middle class was that strong there any longer.

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blue_onyx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-19-09 12:20 PM
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26. Michigan hit its all time low unemployment level
Edited on Sun Jul-19-09 12:23 PM by blue_onyx
in March of 2000 at 3.2%. It went up from then and eventually settled around 7% toward the end of 2002 where it remained until last year.


http://www.bls.gov/web/lauhsthl.htm
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-18-09 08:33 PM
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14. on the bright side
i think ted nugent moved to texas.
yeah, we are F&cked.
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llmart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-18-09 09:04 PM
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17. Well, that would be a plus :)
Let Texas have him.
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-19-09 06:44 AM
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25. Good think that knuckle head left our State, Nugent makes me ill.
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-18-09 10:11 PM
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18. add a few more points on there for people out of work for so long
they arent even trying to find jobs

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t12.htm
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Glenda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 05:49 PM
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32. thanks for that link n/t
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DeltaLitProf Donating Member (459 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-19-09 01:55 AM
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23. Obama better have a plan for Michigan
. . . or else Michigan is going to lose Dem Congressmen (possibly a senator, too) in 10 and go red in 12. I'm not liking him just saying the auto jobs are gone never to come back and having nothing else to say but the typical vague "new economy" claptrap.
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gizmo1979 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-19-09 07:31 PM
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27. I was in Ann Arbor 2
weeks ago and the place was booming. I couldn't believe the difference it's like another world.
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llmart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-19-09 08:30 PM
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28. I read somewhere......
that the Ann Arbor area is still doing OK compared to the rest of Michigan. Were you there for the art fair? If so, that wouldn't be a good indication of how it normally is because the art fair draws a lot of people from all over. Having said that though, I think the art fair was last week.
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gizmo1979 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 10:42 AM
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29. No the art fair is this week.
My daughter is there and says it's just crazy,you can't drive because everything is packed full.She said it's an amazing event.She loves Ann Arbor.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 10:56 AM
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30. Ann Arbor is not really a self-sustaining community in itself.
Edited on Mon Jul-20-09 10:56 AM by Romulox
If you check out US 23 (main north/source freeway in the Ann Arbor area) between 4 - 7 pm on any given weekday, you'll note the crush of commuters returning home.

In addition, the city itself is dominated by the University, which is, of course, not subject to market forces.
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gizmo1979 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 05:01 PM
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31. My daughter goes to grad
school there.I was amazed at how many people are there during the summer.Every restaurant was packed.This was on a Monday and a Tuesday.Our eateries aren't that busy on a good weekend.
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