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BlueJessamine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 02:39 PM Original message |
Gates Says He Is Outraged by Arrest at Cambridge Home |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 02:43 PM Response to Original message |
1. And he puts this mess to constructive use, to help others and to teach. |
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Stephanie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 02:46 PM Response to Original message |
2. Photo of the arrest, from the article > |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 02:55 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. Oh, he was just "making a scene" |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 03:10 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. Even if he was just losing it and being argumentative, that's no reason to |
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MUAD_DIB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 03:13 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. I guess the black cop was a racist as well? |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 03:20 PM Response to Reply #12 |
17. It is no secret that that PD has had a history of racial insensitivity. |
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MUAD_DIB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 03:25 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. Actually the black cop is there so he is part of the team. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 03:38 PM Response to Reply #18 |
28. WTF is wrong with you? How many times do I have to tell you "So what?" before it sinks in? |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 03:48 PM Response to Reply #28 |
32. Law against being a rich / important ass |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 03:52 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. They arrested him AFTER he provided them with ID. n/t |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 03:54 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. Only question is did he meet the statute's requirement for arrest |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 04:07 PM Response to Reply #35 |
42. Of course he does. He's a black male. n/t |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 05:05 PM Response to Reply #42 |
74. Yeah, that is pretty much not going to fly any more.. |
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MUAD_DIB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 08:05 PM Response to Reply #74 |
163. And that is it exactly. IF. |
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JayMusgrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 09:46 AM Response to Reply #42 |
200. Arrested for being a black person. That's a crime we must punish |
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JonLP24 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 04:12 PM Response to Reply #35 |
46. This is the first thing that came up |
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Flaneur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 04:39 PM Response to Reply #35 |
58. I guess that question has been answered now. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 05:03 PM Response to Reply #58 |
71. DA decides to prosecute.. |
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Piewhacket (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 07:33 PM Response to Reply #71 |
140. Not exactly. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 04:00 PM Response to Reply #32 |
37. Don't give me "should." It is not against the law to behave like a rich/important ass. |
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MUAD_DIB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 04:08 PM Response to Reply #37 |
43. You really need to relax a bit. If this is how you would behave in front |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 04:11 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. I'm quite relaxed, thank you. |
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MUAD_DIB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 06:57 PM Response to Reply #45 |
119. You appear anything but... |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 07:00 PM Response to Reply #119 |
122. I don't "appear" at all--do you think you have remote viewing skills, is that it? |
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MUAD_DIB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 07:07 PM Response to Reply #122 |
127. Temper, temper... |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 07:38 PM Response to Reply #127 |
147. You really should try to control yours. |
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MUAD_DIB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 07:42 PM Response to Reply #147 |
150. I have a life, MADem, and I am in control. ;D |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 07:52 PM Response to Reply #150 |
154. Yes, by your comments, it is sadly apparent what kind of pathetic life you have. NT |
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MUAD_DIB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 08:00 PM Response to Reply #154 |
161. Really? Tell me all about my life. |
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Iowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 04:58 PM Response to Reply #43 |
67. A good example of Caspar Milquetoast reasoning. |
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MUAD_DIB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 07:04 PM Response to Reply #67 |
124. I never said that and you very well know it. |
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Raschel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 03:16 PM Response to Reply #37 |
222. All this hollering about how Gates should have behaved. It didn't work too well for |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 05:11 PM Response to Reply #32 |
79. In all likelihood, he was polite, at least at first. |
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MUAD_DIB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 04:05 PM Response to Reply #28 |
41. There is nothing wrong with me. What is wrong with you? |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 04:13 PM Response to Reply #41 |
47. Again, getting personal is the sign of a failed argument. I am not "over agitated," |
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MUAD_DIB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 06:53 PM Response to Reply #47 |
116. Well, then you failed a few arguments back. ;D |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 07:12 PM Response to Reply #116 |
131. I think you are the one who needs to take your show on the road--far, far away. NT |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 05:17 PM Response to Reply #41 |
82. If a cop is in my living room, acting like a jerk when I have done nonthing more than come |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 05:40 PM Response to Reply #82 |
94. Guess what the cop's name was? Drum roll.....and no, I am not kidding! |
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goclark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 10:21 AM Response to Reply #94 |
217. Now that deserves a Drumroll~ |
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MUAD_DIB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 06:56 PM Response to Reply #82 |
118. Sigh... |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 07:09 PM Response to Reply #118 |
128. Show us where he "hassled" the cop? You haven't made your case. |
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MUAD_DIB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 07:16 PM Response to Reply #128 |
132. Laughs all around, MADem... |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 07:27 PM Response to Reply #132 |
135. If you weren't there, then, by YOUR argument, you should just hush up, now, shouldn't you? |
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MUAD_DIB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 07:40 PM Response to Reply #135 |
149. Now, now, MADem. Can you ease up on the reactionary posts? |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 07:50 PM Response to Reply #149 |
153. Now, now, board disruptor, could you ease up on the "right up to the line" |
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MUAD_DIB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 07:58 PM Response to Reply #153 |
160. You weren't there either, but you have a TV. Good for you. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 08:06 PM Response to Reply #149 |
164. Now that's really objective. How about "If the cop hassled a well-dressed. |
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MUAD_DIB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 08:39 PM Response to Reply #164 |
177. Well... |
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Iowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 04:32 PM Response to Reply #28 |
53. Well said! n/t |
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Flaneur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 04:38 PM Response to Reply #18 |
57. I get the feeling you would know quite a bit about being an a-hole. |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 03:35 PM Response to Reply #12 |
25. why do you say that? |
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MUAD_DIB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 03:38 PM Response to Reply #25 |
29. It was a response of Sarcasm... |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 03:45 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. it's an easy epithet to throw around, but there's no evidence Gates was doing that |
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Flaneur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 04:36 PM Response to Reply #12 |
56. Cops is cops. They're not black or white, they're blue. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 05:03 PM Response to Reply #12 |
70. Four Things: You are seeing the end of the incident. All of these cops were not involved at first |
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jonestonesusa (630 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 02:24 AM Response to Reply #70 |
195. Bingo! |
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EndersDame (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 11:00 PM Response to Reply #12 |
191. It would be wise to listen to NWA as they elucidate on this subject |
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Winterblues (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 10:38 AM Response to Reply #12 |
218. We all know a black cop could never ever be racist against another black man.. |
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DesertDiamond (838 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 04:20 PM Response to Reply #9 |
49. Once it becomes accepted that one can't speak one's mind to a cop -- short of physical agression -- |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 05:06 PM Response to Reply #49 |
75. I 'm going to kill you (communicating a threat) |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 05:23 PM Response to Reply #75 |
85. The police report does not say that Gates threatened the cop, though. And you can bet it |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 05:40 PM Response to Reply #85 |
93. My response was to the poster who said you should be able to say anything |
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DesertDiamond (838 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 06:01 PM Response to Reply #93 |
100. Point taken. So actual verbal threats, I would agree. However, in my view the definition of "threat" |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 06:21 PM Response to Reply #49 |
106. It's pretty plain that this cop did not like the professor's "tone." |
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superconnected (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 08:14 PM Response to Reply #6 |
168. have you missed the part where gates is going to make money from the publicity for this? |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 08:27 PM Response to Reply #168 |
172. I gotta edit my post--you were being sarcastic, yes? |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 11:21 PM Response to Reply #168 |
193. wow. Are you serious? |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 04:03 PM Response to Reply #2 |
38. Unfuckingbelievable. |
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timeforpeace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 02:49 PM Response to Original message |
3. Did he get an apology, and/or an explanation? |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 02:51 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Pfft. White folks don't apologize to black folks. We just yell at them for being "tumultuous".... |
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timeforpeace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 03:06 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. Anyone else know if he got an apology, and/or an explanation? |
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JonLP24 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 03:14 PM Response to Reply #7 |
13. Here is the PD statement to the press |
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timeforpeace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 03:31 PM Response to Reply #13 |
21. Thanks. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 05:20 PM Response to Reply #13 |
84. The officer has not apologized. Gates has asked for an apology. |
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timeforpeace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 06:50 PM Response to Reply #84 |
114. The officer should apologize. |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 02:53 PM Response to Original message |
5. GOOO SKIP!!! |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 03:08 PM Response to Original message |
8. Deleted sub-thread |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 03:11 PM Response to Original message |
10. Wait, I remember something. Is he one of the "senseis" in this Linux ad? |
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TreasonousBastard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 03:12 PM Response to Original message |
11. Of course he is, but the real problem.. |
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MUAD_DIB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 03:19 PM Response to Reply #11 |
16. I posted this last night, and it is simple. "Don't hassle a cop that is responding |
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timeforpeace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 03:34 PM Response to Reply #16 |
23. If that photo above is any indication, he didn't take your advice. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 05:31 PM Response to Reply #23 |
88. Um, he's already cuffed in that photo. And you don't know what, if anything, he is saying |
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Demoiselle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 03:37 PM Response to Reply #16 |
27. That's sensible advice, I guess....but |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 04:13 PM Response to Reply #27 |
48. You hit on a good point there. Cops seem to be the biggest pussies in the world. |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 04:05 PM Response to Reply #16 |
40. I can yell at them all I want. |
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Iowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 05:04 PM Response to Reply #16 |
72. Bullshit. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 05:39 PM Response to Reply #16 |
92. Gates did comply with the request. No evidence, even in the police report, |
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Piewhacket (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 09:47 PM Response to Reply #16 |
188. Nonsense. Where do you get these crazy ideas. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 10:05 PM Response to Reply #188 |
189. Full marks--right on the money! |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 03:31 PM Response to Reply #11 |
20. From the reports I have seen, he was not meek as a lamb, but so what? |
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MUAD_DIB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 03:36 PM Response to Reply #20 |
26. Well, this is a life lesson for you. Don't give shit to the Cambridge police. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 03:40 PM Response to Reply #26 |
30. Yeah, otherwise they'll have to go to more sensitivity training, which is in their future. NT |
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MUAD_DIB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 04:03 PM Response to Reply #30 |
39. Perhaps... |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 04:30 PM Response to Reply #39 |
51. Probable. The mayor plans on apologizing personally, and has asked for a full investigation |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 04:56 PM Response to Reply #51 |
64. Christ, the cop apologista NEVER gets it, does it? n/t |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 05:33 PM Response to Reply #64 |
89. I guess not. |
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MUAD_DIB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 06:51 PM Response to Reply #89 |
115. For one who has respect for the police you seem sho ready to lynch one. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 06:58 PM Response to Reply #115 |
120. Nice use of language, there. "Lynch?" That couldn't have been accidental or incidental, now could |
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MUAD_DIB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 07:06 PM Response to Reply #120 |
125. I chose my words carefully to illustrate a point. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 07:31 PM Response to Reply #125 |
138. You chose your words carefully in an effort to be a board disruptor. |
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MUAD_DIB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 07:35 PM Response to Reply #138 |
146. Please, everybody look at me. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 07:43 PM Response to Reply #146 |
152. I was there to hear the mayor, the AG and others say that this was a |
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MUAD_DIB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 07:57 PM Response to Reply #152 |
158. Maybe you think I should move out of state as well? |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 08:02 PM Response to Reply #158 |
162. I think you should take your own advice. NT |
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MUAD_DIB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 08:08 PM Response to Reply #162 |
165. Well, I won't be doing that anytime soon. |
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MUAD_DIB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 06:49 PM Response to Reply #64 |
113. I am neither a cop or Professor apologista... |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 05:42 PM Response to Reply #26 |
95. Not really. There's no evidence he gave them "shit" before they cuffed him. |
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MUAD_DIB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 07:00 PM Response to Reply #95 |
123. There seems to be a small misunderstanding that |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 07:55 PM Response to Reply #123 |
157. This guy HAD completed his business as soon as he saw two forms of ID. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 05:36 PM Response to Reply #20 |
90. How many reports did you see? By whom were they written? Did you see Gates'side, |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 05:55 PM Response to Reply #90 |
98. He admits he yelled (as much as he was able) once. He had bronchitis at the time. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 06:35 PM Response to Reply #98 |
110. When I read a thread, I hit View All and read top to bottom, responding as I go. We'll both have |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 06:44 PM Response to Reply #110 |
112. My point remains that it doesn't matter if he conducted the entire conversation |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 07:58 PM Response to Reply #112 |
159. I understand your point. But he did not do that, so why make it sound worse than it was? |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 08:10 PM Response to Reply #159 |
166. Who is "making it sound worse?" What's worse is that the police officer |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 08:30 PM Response to Reply #166 |
174. Nope. Not against the law. But only the police report says that he yelled. he denies it, and he |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 08:38 PM Response to Reply #174 |
176. He acknowledged that he raised his voice (as much as he was able--he had bronchitis) |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 08:17 PM Response to Reply #98 |
170. From one of the links you gave: |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 09:02 PM Response to Reply #170 |
183. From the Globe article: |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 03:33 PM Response to Reply #11 |
22. The cop went the Alpha Male JACKASS route |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 05:48 PM Response to Reply #22 |
96. I would not character Gates as slightly disabled. He limps quite noticeably. He may or may not be |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 06:24 PM Response to Reply #96 |
107. I wonder if "WonderCop" |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 07:35 PM Response to Reply #107 |
145. I'm guessing they were. He was on the phone with the maintenance company |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 05:51 PM Response to Reply #11 |
97. Because no one should ever post on a message board based on news stories and |
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TreasonousBastard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 11:16 PM Response to Reply #97 |
192. Post all you want, even about things... |
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ellie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 03:15 PM Response to Original message |
14. I hope Mr. Gates |
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timeforpeace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 03:34 PM Response to Reply #14 |
24. There can be no doubt he will do that. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 08:46 PM Response to Reply #24 |
178. I don't think he will, actually. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 03:49 PM Response to Reply #14 |
33. He would have to show damages.. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 04:44 PM Response to Reply #33 |
60. How special do you have to be to stand in your own home? |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 05:09 PM Response to Reply #60 |
76. The police can ask you to produce id |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 05:10 PM Response to Reply #76 |
78. And he did. Two pieces of ID. They arrested him AFTER he provided it. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 05:14 PM Response to Reply #78 |
80. We shall see, if he filed out a false report |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 05:19 PM Response to Reply #80 |
83. I think what happens is these guys are out there too long |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 06:02 PM Response to Reply #80 |
101. The police report says Gates provided two forms of ID. It also says that |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 05:58 PM Response to Reply #33 |
99. Spin much? Gates's problem is not the cop did not know Gates is special and |
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nolabear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 03:15 PM Response to Original message |
15. May I extend my apology, Mr. Gates (Dr. Gates?) |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 06:08 PM Response to Reply #15 |
103. I am not sure Professor Gates is going to read this thread. You could probably |
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wordpix2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 03:29 PM Response to Original message |
19. I was nearly arrested once for asking a DEP officer why he was asking for my ID |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 06:05 PM Response to Reply #19 |
102. I think you may have taken "swimming" too literally. "No swumming" usually means don't go in. |
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Panhandle Dem (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 03:55 PM Response to Original message |
36. Considering we have only one side of the story I'll have to |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 04:10 PM Response to Reply #36 |
44. "This one became personal." And that's why the PD apologized. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 04:35 PM Response to Reply #36 |
55. What a pantload. Gates was in his own home, with ID, with his KEYS |
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Iowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 05:10 PM Response to Reply #36 |
77. I second what EFerrari said... "What a pantload". n/t |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 06:28 PM Response to Reply #36 |
108. We don't have only one side. There was a police report. Bear in mind, too, that when |
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Piewhacket (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 07:31 PM Response to Reply #108 |
137. I think you got it pretty much right No Elephants. |
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Gormy Cuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 09:24 AM Response to Reply #36 |
214. I'm sorry, but this is a good description of how poorly we train law enforcement. |
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MicaelS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 04:25 PM Response to Original message |
50. Plenty of blame to go around |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 04:31 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. You have no idea how he behaved, do you? |
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MicaelS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 04:51 PM Response to Reply #52 |
61. Sure I do, the words from his mouth at the link |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 04:55 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. Okay, the driver left. That still leaves you with an older black guy |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 08:38 PM Response to Reply #61 |
175. A mistake to get angry with cops "on the scene?" On the scene of what? Professor Gates |
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tj2001 (685 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 04:34 PM Response to Reply #50 |
54. If Gates was not famous, he'd be begging for mercy from the D.A. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 04:43 PM Response to Reply #50 |
59. Maybe not. Gates is disputing the cop's assertions. He also said he had bronchitis at the time, so |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 07:11 PM Response to Reply #59 |
129. "threatening" to speak to his mama outside? That's a threat? Even if true, that's a threat? |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 07:34 PM Response to Reply #129 |
141. The dialogue almost sounds like caricature. I'm wondering if Officer |
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Panhandle Dem (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 04:53 PM Response to Original message |
62. No, they apologized because they didn't have the balls to stand |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 04:58 PM Response to Reply #62 |
66. Nice try, but that's a fail. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 05:00 PM Response to Reply #62 |
68. LOL |
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Iowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 05:15 PM Response to Reply #62 |
81. What a load of crap. n/t |
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Piewhacket (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 05:25 PM Response to Reply #62 |
86. Welcome to DU "Panhandle Dem". Now for your initiation... |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 05:37 PM Response to Reply #62 |
91. A bigot, eh? Oh really? You don't know a thing about the City of Cambridge. |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 06:20 PM Response to Reply #62 |
105. lol |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 06:30 PM Response to Reply #62 |
109. Gates didn't do any such thing |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 05:33 PM Response to Reply #62 |
206. it's good you are in the pan handle |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 04:57 PM Response to Original message |
65. No shit, Dr. Gates! Where you been?? Oh, I know, tracing |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 05:02 PM Response to Reply #65 |
69. He used celebrities because they brought attention to the project. |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 05:28 PM Response to Reply #69 |
87. There is nothing 'the matter with me.' I am well aware of the |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 06:15 PM Response to Reply #87 |
104. Dr. Gates has been more effective than anyone else to date |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 07:29 PM Response to Reply #104 |
136. Again, his accomplishments, personal, academic, literary |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 07:34 PM Response to Reply #136 |
142. LOL. Now he's wrong for making a living? |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 07:40 PM Response to Reply #142 |
148. You have your opinion and I have mine. The essence of |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 09:00 PM Response to Reply #136 |
181. Marketing for his own personal gain? LOL. what is he supposed to do, |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 09:36 PM Response to Reply #181 |
187. In THIS instance he is an opportunist. As long as racial |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 12:10 AM Response to Reply #187 |
194. Gates singlehandedly made WEB DuBois's dream |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 09:24 AM Response to Reply #194 |
196. Deleted sub-thread |
No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 06:41 PM Response to Reply #87 |
111. Because literary and cultural contributions and teaching and being a historian, |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 06:53 PM Response to Reply #111 |
117. I don't believe the stuff I read here. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 07:07 PM Response to Reply #117 |
126. But what contribution have you made to England besides writing, |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 07:11 PM Response to Reply #126 |
130. LOL. I heard that Herodotus guy has a huge ego. |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 07:35 PM Response to Reply #111 |
144. Cultural contributions, certainly. n/t |
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mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 07:26 PM Response to Reply #65 |
134. fail |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 07:31 PM Response to Reply #134 |
139. 'fail' with no explanation, means nothing. n/t |
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mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 07:34 PM Response to Reply #139 |
143. FAIL is a BRAND, --it is not meant to enlighten you. |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 07:43 PM Response to Reply #143 |
151. Aka name calling. Gotcha. n/t |
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mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 07:53 PM Response to Reply #151 |
155. No, you are simply not worth arguing with, given the extremeness and ignorance |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 07:54 PM Response to Reply #155 |
156. The feeling is mutual. n/t |
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Moochy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 09:32 AM Response to Reply #156 |
197. the feeling is |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 09:44 AM Response to Reply #197 |
199. And it's mutual. n/t |
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Bankhead_ATL (248 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 05:05 PM Response to Original message |
73. I hope he got a wake call for this |
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mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 07:21 PM Response to Reply #73 |
133. Who? And why do you hope such a thing? |
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Bankhead_ATL (248 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 08:21 PM Response to Reply #133 |
171. no he said that black men need to not blame everything on the police |
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mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 06:59 PM Response to Original message |
121. I do not understand people who reflexively side with cops, |
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MUAD_DIB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 08:16 PM Response to Reply #121 |
169. You see, I am not really siding with the cops inasmuch as shaking my head |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 08:49 PM Response to Reply #169 |
179. AT MOST, Gates got angry after the cop failed to leave when ID was presente. |
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Moochy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 09:34 AM Response to Reply #169 |
198. Ah so just a run-of-the-mill contrarian |
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MUAD_DIB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 12:56 PM Response to Reply #198 |
202. Nope. Whereas I like to have the facts before I come to a conclusion |
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Moochy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 08:28 PM Response to Reply #202 |
207. No, its quite the opposite from the truth |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 09:47 AM Response to Reply #202 |
215. Sadly |
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superconnected (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 08:11 PM Response to Original message |
167. Somehow I doubt he decided on the documentary _after_this. And so soooon! |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 08:28 PM Response to Reply #167 |
173. Shouldn't there be a sarcasm tag in there somewhere? n/t |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 08:53 PM Response to Reply #167 |
180. Yes, and he probably bribed his neighbor to call them. Because it is so hard |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 09:06 PM Response to Reply #167 |
184. Are you being sarcastic? Or was I too charitable upthread? nt |
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marshall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 09:01 PM Response to Original message |
182. He needs to track down the "well meaning" neighbor who alerted the police |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 09:08 PM Response to Reply #182 |
185. According to the reports, it was a "passer by." |
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marshall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 03:53 PM Response to Reply #185 |
203. I thought the issue was that he would not authenticate himself as the homeowner |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 05:23 PM Response to Reply #203 |
205. That's the cops' story. The problem is, they arrested him AFTER |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 09:52 PM Response to Reply #203 |
208. He showed the guy not one, but TWO forms of ID. |
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marshall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 10:56 PM Response to Reply #208 |
209. We can look forward to the book, perhaps more than one, and possible movie |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 02:18 AM Response to Reply #209 |
211. This guy will surely incorporate this into his academic outreach efforts. |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 10:09 PM Response to Reply #182 |
190. the neighbor has been identified, and is really a passer-by |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 02:26 AM Response to Reply #190 |
213. The prof was INSIDE the house, pulling on the door, while the driver |
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Vidar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 09:35 PM Response to Original message |
186. And he should be outraged. |
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Infinite Hope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 10:39 AM Response to Original message |
201. Considering the reason for arrest, one has to wonder if it was staged |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 05:20 PM Response to Reply #201 |
204. No, it wasn't staged, America really is this racist and this stupid. |
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Infinite Hope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 10:14 AM Response to Reply #204 |
216. The point is, it could still be staged...he could have had a neighbor report... |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 10:46 AM Response to Reply #216 |
220. Yeah, because "staging" this sort of thing makes so much sense after you've just flown from |
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Infinite Hope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 01:53 PM Response to Reply #220 |
221. And I agree that's most likely the case. But we don't know with certainty. The only person who do |
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Mimosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 01:55 AM Response to Original message |
210. Gates should have called a LOCKSMITH |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 02:21 AM Response to Reply #210 |
212. Gates used his keys to get in through the back door |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 10:43 AM Response to Reply #210 |
219. He was on the phone, calling Harvard Maintenance, when the sergeant |
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