Lawyer: Jackson case now manslaughter probe

[Triana]

Source: CNN

Kiran Chetry: Again, this was confirmed by the attorney for Conrad Murray and they’re saying that they raided the clinic looking for evidence of manslaughter. How significant is this?

Paul Callan: This is a major development in the case. I mean here we have Conrad Murray’s attorney admitting that there’s an ongoing manslaughter investigation. And we know that a Los Angeles judge has issued a search warrant. Now judges can only issue a search warrant where there’s probable cause to believe a crime has been committed – in this case, manslaughter – and there’s probable cause to believe that evidence of that crime is at Dr. Conrad Murray’s office. So I think we can safely say that authorities are looking at him probably as a suspect. They’re certainly hostile to his position at this point.

Read more: http://amfix.blogs.cnn.com/2009/07/23/lawyer-jackson-case-now-manslaughter-probe/

[havocmom]

1. While enabling doctors should not get off scott free...

Manslaughter? With a patient known to do serious 'doctor shopping' and beg anybody with a prescription pad for drugs?

At what point does a patient take some of the responsibility for their own actions when they definitely had an impact on the final result?

[Hepburn]

4. How much responsibility can a drug addict muster?

:shrug:

It would seem that his/her major concern is the next fix. Therefore, IMO, the MD who has a drug addicted patient would bear most, if not all, of the responisibility.

JMHO

[havocmom]

6. How much did MJ owe pharmacies?

Doesn't he get some of the blame?

Doctors don't always know what other doctors have written prescriptions. Most of us know people who have different docs for different drugs.

Junkies don't get better until they take responsibility for their part in their problems. Just passing the blame does nothing about the problem, whether drugs or an economy based on unsustainable premises.

[Triana]

7. If he hadn't been who he was, more of them would have told him "NO"....

..but he was a celebrity who had the money to pay them well to get what he wanted, and they got the added prestige of being "Michael Jackson's Doctor".

The family and some friends/doctors apparently tried intervention, to no avail. It would have taken concerted effort from family, doctors, etc. to corner MJ, cut him off, and make him face his issue. Many addicts will not face their addictions alone - until/unless they 'hit bottom' or are confronted/intervened with. For MJ - that was what happened - he hit bottom - and that often means dead.

True, they won't get better until they take responsibility - but more often than not, they have to be FORCED to do that by events or the people around them - including their doctors.

The family (and some friends) couldn't get to him, so they have said - but they said they did try. That leaves the doctors - the only ones who could have cut him off from the substances before he "hit bottom" - and they didn't. And ONE particular substance they had NO BUSINESS EVER GIVING him to start with - in his home - in that setting. TOTALLY unethical.

The physician's creed SHOULD be "first, DO NO HARM". But greed trumps their creed, more often than not, obviously. These celebrity doctors are - too many of them - just drug pushers, basically. Drug pushers to the stars.

I'd say that given all this, MUCH of the responsibility fell on THEM to help prevent this. But they CHOSE not to. When given the choice between having Michael Jackson's money (and the prestige of being his doctor) or saving his life, they CHOSE the former.

I'd say THEY ARE responsible for that choice. And because THEY made that choice, he is dead.

[havocmom]

9. ROFLMAO!

I have neighbors who are neither rich nor famous, and they can get several doctors to write lots of Rx. The only difference is the massive quantities involved and the fact that MJ traveled more for doctors.

Yes, doctors have some accountability, but when a 'patient' goes begging to a doctor friend for drugs (Deepak Chopra) the biggest responsibility rests on the shoulders of the addict.

He had enough resources that he could have worked to get clean and improve his health. Making a lot of excuses won't change that.

[CousinIT]

13. You obviously know very little about addiction.

I suggest you read up on it.

I have addicts in my own family. They most often never "take responsibility" or admit they have a problem unless confronted - often more than once, are cut off from their substance of choice, or they "hit bottom".

Get some clues.

[havocmom]

20. ROFLMAO again

You obviously know very little about me. Not everyone is going to agree with you. That does not mean they don't know a thing or two about addiction, addictive personalities, and the shit they will pull rather than take responsibility for their own behavior.

Sorry, but nobody gets better unless they do it themselves. Blaming others just keeps the game on.

Get some reality.

[magellan]

5. Murray consented to playing musical chairs along with MJ's other enablers

It's just too bad for him that he was the one caught standing when the music stopped.

[havocmom]

21. operative word being 'enablers'

MJ had some hand in his own demise. Yes, enablers are not healthy, but they are not the trigger men either.

MJ still has lots of enablers around. And that is sad. The man died and seems a lot of people didn't learn a damned thing. Very sad.

edited for typo

[magellan]

23. Not saying MJ didn't have a hand in his own demise

He absolutely did. And I think we can agree he paid the price.

I simply don't have a problem with the enabler on hand at the time being held to account as well. If what is alleged is true, then Murray could have avoided his grave legal situation by staying on the right side of the law and leaving some other enabler holding the bag.

[global1]

2. Did I Miss Something - Did The Tox Analysis On MJ Come Back Yet?.....nt

[Triana]

3. The person being interviewed in the article believes police have some of the results

already. It's further down on the page, if you read it.

[silverweb]

8. He's responsible for the delay in help arriving.

I don't buy the excuse that he didn't know the address. Is anyone stupid enough to believe that local 911 dispatchers and emergency response teams never heard of Neverland Ranch and couldn't find it?

Had EMS been called promptly, I believe there's a good chance that Michael could have been saved. The doctor could have had 911 on the line even while he searched for someone else in the house.

Not to call for a full half hour for such a lame excuse with the resultant delay in help arriving was completely irresponsible and, I think, constitutes involuntary manslaughter all by itself.

[WilmywoodNCparalegal]

10. He wasn't at Neverland, but in LA, still I'm sure they could

have figured out his address, triangulating signals and the other means they have. IMHO, the more troubling aspect of this sad story is that this guy, a cardiologist to boot, was performing CPR on a bed. Even if the bed was hard, it still does not offer enough resistance for the chest compressions. Perhaps MJ was already dead (or near it) and the doctor was just trying to look like he was doing something, knowing he was in deep doo-doo for giving him Propofol IVs.

[Triana]

12. The doctor also refused to say anything pending the autopsy and toxicology results...

..in other words "if the drug doesn't show up in his system, I am not going to admit that I gave it to him."

Diprivan doesn't stay in the system for long. I think "doctor" Murray is hoping that it didn't and that it doesn't appear on the results.

The whole situation and his actions alone during this incident are, IMO - basis for a lot of suspicion.

[silverweb]

15. You're right... I forgot about that.

Still, the doctor had to have some idea where the house was and could have given some general information/description. Something also tells me that local police are probably usually aware of celebrites staying in their jurisdiction and would be likely to know the house.

I definitely agree re the bed for CPR. Wasn't this doctor also not board certified in cardiology and not licensed to practice in California?

I remember noting that the company producing the comeback tour hired him. They had to know the doctor's dubious status and I hold them partly responsible.

[Triana]

11. " The doctor could have had 911 on the line even while he searched for someone else in the house. "

EXACTLY.

:wtf: did the moron wait 20-30 minutes for?!

I'm CERTAIN 911 ops could have located the address - or the doc could have gotten someone to get it for him. Hell, 911 could have found MJ's house - rented or not.

And, all the correspondence that MUST have occurred between them when the "doctor" was hired certainly contained contact info.

I think that is NO excuse not to call 911. NOT WHEN SOMEONE'S LIFE IS AT STAKE.

Jeeeeze.

[CountAllVotes]

14. with that length of time - 20-30 mins.

too late = brain dead.

I know, it happened to my father and it was too late. They resuscitated a vegetable sadly.

Maybe it is just as well I thought when I heard he'd been basically dead when the 911 people arrived.

The reason the doctor wouldn't sign the death cert. is because he didn't want that on his record.

I smell manslaughter.

[Triana]

16. "I smell manslaughter."

So do I. This whole thing stinks like Hell.

[Roon]

17. Jackson Doctor Target Of Manslaughter Probe

Source: KMGH

A search warrant says Michael Jackson's personal doctor is the target of a manslaughter probe

Read more: http://www.thedenverchannel.com/entertainment/20160755/detail.html?treets=den&tml=den_natlbreak&ts=T&tmi=den_natlbreak_1_06430107232009

[TheCowsCameHome]

18. Did something happen to MJ?

Oh, never mind, now I remember.........

[Politicalboi]

19. LOL!

[LisaL]

22. I am not surprised.