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Purveyor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 10:43 AM
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Poll Details: Majority In US Oppose Both Wars
Source: Associated Press

(07-23) 08:20 PDT , (AP) --

A majority of Americans oppose both the war in Afghanistan and the war in Iraq, though the war in Afghanistan is a little more popular. Here are details:

OVERALL RESULTS: 34 percent favor the war in Iraq and 63 percent are opposed; 44 percent favor the war in Afghanistan and 53 percent are opposed.

PARTISAN DIFFERENCES: 64 percent of Republicans are in favor of the war in Iraq and just 10 percent of Democrats are; 66 percent of Republicans favor the war in Afghanistan, as do 26 percent of Democrats.

PRESIDENT'S RATING: 56 percent of Americans approve of President Barack Obama's handling of the situation in Iraq, and 55 percent approve of his handling of Afghanistan. Both numbers are down just slightly since April.



Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/07/23/national/w082054D54.DTL#ixzz0M66qec3J
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mbperrin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 10:44 AM
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1. Thank you! 100% of our household opposed both from the start.
Still do.
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 10:44 AM
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2. I want US troops out of both countries.
The people of Afghanistan should once and all be free from foreign occupation and subversion! They've suffered too long from US, Soviet, and Pakistani interference!
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 10:47 AM
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3. it creeps me out to see them refer to a hostile occupation as 'popular'
really. It's disgusting.

Neither one of these tragedies are 'wars.' They are hostile occupations, at best, and turkey shoots more appropriately. The most certainly are NOT 'wars'.

Out of both countries now.
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fbahrami Donating Member (154 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 10:50 AM
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4. this is democracy?
Even from day 1 people were opposed to these wars. What happens? Almost 10 years and 1M+ lives down the road now ...
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 09:37 PM
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14. Agree. I don't know about the Afghanistan War, but I followed the polls on the Iraq War
quite closely. Nearly 60% of the American people opposed the Iraq War way back in Feb. '03 before the invasion. Their opinion and their wishes, as the only sovereign in this land, were ignored by both parties and by the corpo/fascist media, which pumped up the lies that the Bushwhacks told about Iraq as truth, to create a false narrative for war. The American people did not believe that narrative, and I believe that that is why corporate-controlled 'TRADE SECRET' code voting systems were flooded over the country for the 2004 election--to override the will of the people.
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tomm2thumbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 10:52 AM
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5. I would hope most people don't like war, period.

But the military industrial machine that feeds of the money it generates sure has its way of making it happen, don't it?
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 11:45 AM
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6. 100% opposed to both in this household. I say we send 64% of republicans to Iraq, along with
66% to Afghanistan. Also send 10% of Dems (who are so stupid they deserve to be republicans) and 26% of Dems (likewise stupid).

Bring and keep everyone else home and out of two bloody stupid (and one "supreme crime" illegal) wars.
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DireStrike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 11:48 AM
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7. I like how the difference between repub support for each war is insignificant
They really don't care what the war is about. They just want somebody to be "kickin ass and takin names", by god! Never mind that this costs money better spent on other things, and is a net loss.
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mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 11:49 AM
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8. This gives me hope. n/t
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 11:50 AM
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9. Opposed BOTH Wars/Occupations from the start.
I DID support a limited International Law Enforcement approach to the Al Qaeda problem....
Mainly economic sanctions against the Saudis for the funding of terrorist organizations.
Without their money source, Al Qaeda is dead, and over 1 Million innocent Iraqis are still alive.
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timeforpeace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 12:04 PM
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10. Trouble is, 100% of the president and Congress support the wars. Well, a majority of Congress anyway
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Jansen Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 12:09 PM
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11. And that is why public opinion is disregarded
... and we now return you to our scheduled hostile occupation. ARGH!
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Optical.Catalyst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 05:38 AM
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16. Actually 100% of the Oil Companies and the Defense Industry support the wars
They uses their wealth, campaign contributions, bribes, and political influence to promote these wars.

As long as the gravy train keeps running for Lockheed Martin and Exxon, the wars will go on. They own Congress and care little about lost American lives when it is putting money into the Corporate till.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 12:44 PM
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12. we need to get those troops home and that money can be used
for the healthcare issues.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 03:25 PM
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13. of course they do. which is why we're expanding the wars. the voice of the people.
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annm4peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 12:14 AM
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15. 5 MN guard members die in 72 hours.. 4 days ago.
shameful. I really hate some of our Congress people. No backbone.

3 blown up. 1 shotdown and 1 was shot last week, and his mother had to do decide to take him off life support.

Yet Sen. Klobuchar and Sen Franken can only say.. they are fighting for our freedom.

No they aren't you dumb fucks! they are fighting to keep their buddies alive,, sent over so your donors can make more money.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 06:04 AM
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17. Illustrating yet again that we are not a democracy, or even a republic.
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DeadEyeDyck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 07:58 AM
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20. where has Cindy been
seems she has dissappeared off the radar screen when she is needed most!
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Clear Blue Sky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 06:21 AM
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18. And yet both wars are still going strong, in spite of promises to end them...nt
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 06:27 AM
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19. No draft =no strong anti-war movement. That's why they abolished the draft. Not to
Edited on Fri Jul-24-09 06:36 AM by No Elephants
mention the $ that were to be made by companies like Blackwater.

Rangel had the right idea, IMO. Reinstate the draft. Let everyone feel the pain, not just the one with fewest options.

But, both parties are war parties now. Once again, here come the Republicrats. Even if they reinstated the draft, the exemptions and draft boards would probably be rigged to make sure nothing changed. They loves them some status quo, now that they've screwed up everything beyond repair.

We ought to be working on repealing the laws the Republicans and Democrats joined hands to pass after Perot ran, making it harder and harder for third parties.
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4dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 08:26 AM
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21. Like I said, we need another good ole war protest in DC
Our leaders are not listening to the people in DC and we should be making our thoughts known a little louder perhaps with a good ole war protest in DC.
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Union Yes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 08:35 AM
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22. Dems afraid of being called weak on defense. Ill be afraid to vote D Nov '10
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 08:41 AM
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23. Funny how the MSM does not go with the headline about how a majority support Obama's handling of
the wars.
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90-percent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 08:41 AM
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24. The reason to go War
I was always amazed how they changed the rational for the Iraq War as time went on.

1. Get the bastards behind 9-11

2. Liberate the Iraqi's

3. Make sure the terrorists don't get the oil

4. Democratize Iraq

5. Gotta take care of all those insurgent terrorists

6. And there was more. I forget how many there actually were!

And all of America bought it up for years! My fundamental question is:

Is it not the absolute height of absurdity to have a War and then CONSTANTLY change the reasons why you're having it?

I'm sure there were many in the GWB White House saying; "Holy Shit! You call tell these people fucking ANYTHING and they'll still buy it! Hey - let's tell them Saddam was reverse engineering alien space craft and he was weeks away from attacking the United States with FLYING SAUCERS!"

-90% jimmy


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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 09:03 AM
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26. I think it's cause everyone knows the reason for war is to steal money from the Treasury. nt
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 09:02 AM
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25. Eyeballs on the butt cheeks. We've known this since forever. nt
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Bragi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 09:09 AM
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27. If it's any consolution, the U.S isn't alone on this
There are numerous NATO countries fighting in Afghanistan alongside the U.S.

There is not a single one of these countries where a majority support this war.

- B
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 09:13 AM
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28. Of course most of the CITIZENS of this country oppose both wars. Contrary to what our government
Edited on Fri Jul-24-09 09:17 AM by Raster
shoves down our throats, we are NOT stupid children, requiring measured feeding of facts. Clearly Iraq was a clusterfuck waiting to happen and based on 100% lies and deceit. Iraq was and is a war of greed and vanity, pimped by the military industrial complex. Look up "old, rich white man's war" in the encyclopedia. It is the Iraq war. And Afghanistan is not much better.

The United States no longer takes care of its critical infrastructure and no longer takes care of its citizens. Every dime the federal government can beg, borrow or steal through excess taxation is shunted in one way or the other to the military machine. Of course the citizens of this country don't want the wars. We're not stupid. But unfortunately, they're going to be shoved down our throats one way or the other. Here's a prediction: if the good citizens of this country emphatically oppose continued wars on a massive and aggressive scale, look for another "Pearl Harbor-type event" to instill fear and pump up that national pride to again, facilitate another or continuation of the current endless wars.

And when I say "excess taxation," I DO NOT mean the grossly underpaid taxes by the uber-rich. I mean the "lower classes"--poor, working poor, vanishing middle class--that unfairly bear the tax burden of this country.

War is a good business. Invest a child today.:sarcasm:

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