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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 09:36 AM
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Cop Who Arrested Gates Not Ruling Out Defamation Lawsuit
Edited on Fri Jul-24-09 09:37 AM by kpete
Source: ABC

Cop Who Arrested Gates Not Ruling Out Defamation Lawsuit
Case Heats Up as Police Organizations Criticize Obama for Jumping Into the Controversy
By MICHELE MCPHEE, RUSSELL GOLDMAN and HUMA KHAN
July 24, 2009

The police sergeant who arrested Harvard University professor Henry Louis Gates Jr. last week in his own home may be considering a defamation lawsuit against Gates who has implied his arrest was racially motivated.

Alan McDonald, who represents Sgt. James Crowley, said the veteran cop who teaches a racial profiling class for rookie police officers has not ruled out filing a defamation of character or libel lawsuit.

"He is exploring all of his options,'' McDonald told ABC News.

Though charges were dropped, Gates has loudly asserted his arrest was a result of racial profiling.


Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=8163051&page=1
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 09:37 AM
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1. Ugh. nt
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 12:18 PM
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45. A Lame Assed Racist
Maybe Rim Job will put him on the Joe the Plumber Tour

Coming to a trailer park near you.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 09:39 AM
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2. Barney Fife is demanding a full retraction and
the other four bullets for his revolver!!!!
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 09:41 AM
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3. OK, I laughed.
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callous taoboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 09:42 AM
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6. Hee hee shakiest gun in the west.
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MUAD_DIB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 09:45 AM
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7. Funny. If somebody used a similar epithet on Professor Gates you and
many DUers, myself included, would be collectively hitting the alert button


This whole thing has become farce. Enjoy your shiny objects.


I'm out.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 09:47 AM
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8. Waaaaaaaaah!!!
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MUAD_DIB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 09:56 AM
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14. Actually, my assessment was accurate, and insults don't get a rise out of me.
Edited on Fri Jul-24-09 09:59 AM by MUAD_DIB



Now maybe if you actually had something to reply with... ;)
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 10:00 AM
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17. I thought you were "out,"
Jim Rome wannabe. :shrug:


Make it so. :dunce:
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MUAD_DIB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 10:02 AM
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19. I'm working from home, but did you have something of

merit to add?
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 11:38 AM
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40. No, it was totally one-sided. Better luck next time, though.
Edited on Fri Jul-24-09 11:38 AM by No Elephants
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 09:49 AM
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10. Still pissed you were wrong about all of it?
Edited on Fri Jul-24-09 09:53 AM by Occulus
Poor baby.

Here. Go read this before you piss and moan about "shiny objects". It probably won't do you any good- especially since it was explained to you in tedious detail on the other threads covering this incident- but at least it'll give you something to do other than dig yourself in deeper.
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MUAD_DIB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 09:57 AM
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15. Here come the poor name callers. How original. :D

Instead of linking to another thread why don't you, and I mean you, try addressing my point.

Are you able to?
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earcandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 09:53 AM
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12. Speaking of Shiny Objects...
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 10:00 AM
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16. Barney Fife is an "epithet"? REALLY?
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MUAD_DIB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 10:04 AM
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20. You know exactly what point I am making. Why are you being obtuse?
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 10:09 AM
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23. Sorry, comparing a stupid police officer to a fictional stupid police officer
doesn't rise to the definition of "epithet", comparable to racial or cultural epithets that are truly hurtful and damaging.
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MUAD_DIB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 10:14 AM
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25. If a anyone posted a derogatory comment about gates you would

be screaming for his head.

An attack is an attack: either racial or personal.


So, again, why are you being obtuse?
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 10:23 AM
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28. Wow, you're just silly now. "Barney Fife" is a reference to the cop's job performance--
that's not necessarily personal. That's saying he's a fuck-up in regard to his role as a cop. Calling an inept soldier "Gomer Pyle" would be the same thing. Calling somebody a racial epithet is attacking something that they can't change about themselves--THAT'S personal, and also offends an entire culture or race. There's no equivalence. You are really reaching.
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 10:30 AM
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32. Apologists gotta Apologize
Edited on Fri Jul-24-09 10:31 AM by Moochy
birds gotta fly etc.
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MUAD_DIB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 12:08 PM
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42. No, I'm not being silly, but continue with your denials.

That's all you've got.

:rofl:
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mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 10:00 AM
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18. your posts on this issue are some of the worst here in ages n/t
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MUAD_DIB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 10:06 AM
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21. So I have another "Expert" that can't answer a direct question.

So you can only throw your poop and not much else. Good luck to you with that.
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mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 10:08 AM
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22. you're a spectacle...not worthy of a serious reply n/t
Edited on Fri Jul-24-09 10:09 AM by mix
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MUAD_DIB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 10:18 AM
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26. That tells me that you can't cut it, dude.

If you're so sacred of actually arguing your point without resorting to the ad hominem attack then you have failed.


Live with it.
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 10:29 AM
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31. He's so sacred [sic] of you
Ooh a fight a fight!! you are posting stupidly in the past few days, I'll agree with this summation and add you to the happy ignore stupid button.
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MUAD_DIB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 12:09 PM
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43. What's wrong? Can't you let him/her handle an argument on his own?

Go ahead and ignore me. You just lost.
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Iowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 03:18 PM
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46. Countless people have described the fallacy of your thinking in excruciating detail...
...in other threads. But you apparently have a different way of viewing the world than most people here. You leave the impression that you are inclined to align with authority, and you try to present that bias as being "fair and balanced". But the folks who post here see right through that; Fox News has been doing it for years. The truth is seldom balanced.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 11:36 AM
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39. I call bs. There have been lots of posts on the Gates threads claiming
Edited on Fri Jul-24-09 11:36 AM by No Elephants
Gates would never have treated an African American cop the same way, or made the same claims. That is calling Gates racist. I did not notice you or most others here rushing to Gates's defense on that one.

There were also posts asking if the African American cop on the scene had been racist, too, as if black Americans can't possibly be racist--and therefore Gates was lying.

So, there are plenty of posts at DU that assume certain things based solely upon the color of one's skin and no one blinks an eye (or few)..
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MUAD_DIB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 12:15 PM
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44. Assumptions are being made all around DU in the last few days.

It is easier that asking legitimate questions and expecting honest debate in return.

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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 09:42 AM
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4. It's official! We need a GD-Gates Forum! n/t
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 09:42 AM
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5. He'd better sue the whole nation nt
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 09:48 AM
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9. This is so fucking media-corporate-whore-driven. Why would he "rule out" anything, unless asked?
The corporate-whore-media is pushing this.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 10:12 AM
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24. a really great point
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Spouting Horn Donating Member (310 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 11:27 AM
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38. Who asked the question
at the presser?
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clixtox Donating Member (941 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 11:53 AM
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41. I was wondering that also... N/T
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Ysabela Donating Member (208 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 09:53 AM
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11. Please, PLEASE let Sgt Jim Crow try to push for defamation...
It'll open up such a can of worms on his racist ass.

I'm just glad the public has his real name...
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 09:54 AM
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13. "Sgt. Jim Crow"
:rofl:

Fitting.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 10:22 AM
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27. Simple question; had Gates been the same in every way EXCEPT skin color
would the cops have behaved as they did? Of course not! Breaking into a person's home and arresting them without a warrant is unlawful and unconstitutional. The cop should be dismissed from duty.
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MellowDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 03:50 PM
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48. Simple question; had Crowley been the same in every way EXCEPT skin color
would Gates have behaved as he did? Of course not!






:eyes:
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 07:01 PM
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49. Yes, he would have. Crowley was behaving outside the rule of law
read the Constitution. :eyes:
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marshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 08:40 PM
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50. I expect both Crowley and Gates will keep their yaps shut for a few days
More info is coming out fast and furious, back tracking is following statements made without full knowledge of what happened. Everyone will step back and it will likely just die down.
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earcandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 11:55 PM
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51. so people have to get the police to become public SERVANTS again, not fascist pigs, like they are
trying to assert they have the right to be, without addressing
the freedom of speech violation going on here.

The cop should have asked for ID, after being secure that the
man was not violent nor dangerous.

To consider that he would be pissed off that a cop was now
invading his world, is not hard to do.
The police should be trained in the character,
intelligence,and goodwill to police in an American worldview.

We have too many rights and privileges to be arrested for
standing ground in our own spaces.

This is absurd. We cannot let the cops win this argument. 
This can happen in any race if it happens 
to turn into an insult to the cops and not to the home owner
who was violated because he left his keys
somewhere and was perturbed.

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marshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 10:24 AM
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29. Maybe he and Gates can have dueling lawsuits?
And hopefully cancel each other out.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 10:48 AM
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33. Violating civil rights is a FEDERAL offense, isn't it?
:evilgrin:
rocktivity
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marshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 10:50 AM
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34. With exceptions, yes
And that will be the bone of contention.
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 10:24 AM
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30. If he sues, and proves himself to be a big fat baby...
...how can he show his face anymore at the cop stop?

Be a man, officer.
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louis-t Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 11:12 AM
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35. Well, there's your evidence. He teaches a class
on racial profiling. :eyes:
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aquamarina Donating Member (772 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 11:12 AM
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36. Keep digging that hole deeper copper...
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FloriTexan Donating Member (481 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 11:25 AM
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37. The officer did not assess the situation correctly..
First, the officer let it get out of hand. The police report stated that the woman who called it in was waiting in front of the house when the police arrived along with other bystanders. The first thing he should have done was to ask the crowd to move out of sight, at least a safe distance away from the scene. That single action would have gone a long way in diffusing the situation. If there truly was a burglary in process and the perps were still in the house, they could have been armed and dangerous and all those people would have been standing around outside possibly in the line of fire. That was stupid.

Gates was probably stunned to see a crowd of people outside his house, some snapping pictures and/or videos as I have seen written. Cops on his doorstep. I would not want to step out into that either.

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captain jack Donating Member (182 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 03:31 PM
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47. ........
Edited on Fri Jul-24-09 03:36 PM by captain jack
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