Swine flu vaccine for 'half US'

[dipsydoodle]

Source: BBC News

About half the US population should be vaccinated against the H1N1 virus with pregnant women and health workers the top priority, US officials have said.

A US government advisory committee said health officials should prepare to vaccinate 160 million people.

The vaccination campaign, which will involve two doses of vaccine per person, is due to begin in mid-October.

In the event that not enough vaccine is available, a tighter group of high-risk patients will receive it.

Read more: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8175750.stm

[jakeXT]

1. poor brits

Government virus expert paid £116k by swine flu vaccine manufacturers

By David Derbyshire
Last updated at 6:37 PM on 27th July 2009

Conflict: Sir Roy Anderson faced demands to resign

A scientist who advises the Government on swine flu is a paid director of a drugs firm making hundreds of millions of pounds from the pandemic.

Professor Sir Roy Anderson sits on the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage), a 20-strong task force drawing up the action plan for the virus.

Yet he also holds a £116,000-a-year post on the board of GlaxoSmithKline, the company selling swine flu vaccines and anti-virals to the NHS.

...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1202389/Government-virus-expert-paid-116k-swine-flu-vaccine-manufacturers.html

[BeHereNow]

2. Imagine that... wonder how much OUR congress pigs have received at the trough?

Want a health care plan? Kill off all the healthcare workers with this
untested vaccine! Eh? Oh, and reduce the population by injecting it into unborn
fetuses.
I put NOTHING past these bastards.
BHN

[Skink]

3. what Congress isn't first in line?

probably because they have already been vaccinated with the expensive stuff.

[Recursion]

4. Have they figured out how not to taint the swine flu vaccine with live avian flu?

That would be a funny way to wipe out the US, when you get right down to it.

[BeHereNow]

5. THAT is a THINKING person's question- read this and you will see why.

http://www.augustforecast.com/2009/07/28/swine-flu-pigs-to-fly-soon/

Snip:

"Then, there is the mystery of the virus itself. My friend, Dr. Rus sell Blay lock, who con tributed to my original article in The August Review, writes

“This virus continues to be an enigma for virologists. In the April 30, 2009 issue of Nature, a virologist was quoted as saying,‘Where the hell it got all these genes from we don’t know.’ Extensive analysis of the virus found that it con tained the original 1918 H1N1 flu virus, the avian flu virus (bird flu), and two new H3N2 virus genes from Eurasia. Debate continues over the possibility that swine flu is a genetically engineered virus.” (see Vaccine May Be More Dangerous Than Swine Flu)"


BHN

[Spider Jerusalem]

38. I'm sorry, but anyone who starts ranting about 'Big Pharma' loses all credibility on the subject.

The fact that the author says 'only 331 deaths' is also a misrepresentation of fact; that number is deaths in the US, not worldwide (which are higher by at least an order of magnitude if not several).

This Russell Blaylock character is a neurologist, apparently, and has no qualifications as an epidemiologist or virologist.

You'll forgive me if I choose to trust the WHO and public health authorities on this, since they happen to be actual SCIENTISTS and not cranks.

[LeftishBrit]

39. Seen another editorial article from your source?

http://www.augustforecast.com/2009/07/24/constitutional-crisis-looming/

(Health warning: opening this link can be hazardous to your sanity!)

It doesn't look like a reasonable site!

[Just-plain-Kathy]

11. The vaccine producer, Novartis Pharmaceuticals works closely with Bill Clinton.

I wonder if Clinton's relationship is to Novartis, is the same as Cheney's to Halliburton.
...(Minus the CEO title)

[sallylou666]

6. Live virus?

Does anyone know if the vaccine is going to be nasal spray with live virus? I read something that made me wonder. I never feel comfortable taking a vaccine with live virus.

[mzmolly]

8. If it is, expect to see an increase in Swine Flu

cases.

[Recursion]

10. 40 years after Tuskegee...

...and a lab coat is still enough for a lot of people to give someone full trust.

[dixiegrrrrl]

32. Well said.

[Bragi]

22. It will not be a live virus /nt

[mzmolly]

7. I'll give up mine, for the good of others.

;)

[jimlup]

9. Well wait a couple of weeks before getting vaccinated ...

That way you can discover if they screwed up. I believe they are attempting to discover a real vaccine that helps people. Anything else would be a scandal of "biblical" proportions but I'm skeptical enough to wait and see the effect it has on others before jumping in for a swim.

I'm a teacher so I do believe I'll get vaccinated even though I don't believe I'm medically "high risk".

[Bragi]

23. Jimlup

As a teacher you are in close contact with people who are high risk.

Were I you, I would get vaccinated to protect myself and my students.

[jimlup]

33. Yes, I intend to!

But I'll try and wait a couple of weeks to make sure that they've tested the vaccine on thousands of others before I dive in. Maybe not, I do worry about transmission within our school when we start in September.

[Bragi]

34. I don't think wait and see for a week or two will help much

When massive numbers get vaccinated, there will be some who become ill for various reasons that may have nothing to do with the vaccine. The problem is you can't prove problems are not caused by a vaccine until lots of science is done, which takes time.

Because of this, in the middle of the outbreak, people will have to choose to take the vaccine or not based on their perception of the risks associated with the vaccine versus the risks associated with the disease, and based on whether they trust the public health people and scientists, or the critics.

I predict there will be lots of people who will refuse to let their kids be vaccinated. The question is, do you want to see those kids, who will be at much higher risk of getting and spreading the disease, in your classroom?

This isn't an issue with easy answers.

[dixiegrrrrl]

12. World­wide, there have been only 311 deaths directly attrib­uted to Swine Flu,

and in many of those cases, there were other cir­cum­stances that cre­ated com­pli­ca­tions.
( from teh link)

What is all this effort to PANIC people into taking the untested vaccine?
Besides obvious profit.
Against a virus of suspicious origin.

I guess there will be enough sheeple lined up to get the drugs, tho.

[Recursion]

13. Plain old kosher influenza has killed thousands in the US already this year

Spending that vaccine money for better education, public health, and free clinics would save a lot more lives.

[TwixVoy]

14. Follow the money

Placing an order for 160 million doses.... that's got to add up to a LOT of cash.

[Snazzy]

16. from what link?

Doesn't say that at BBC OP link.

CDC has 302 deaths in US.

http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/update.htm

They stopped counting sometime in June I think (strange that they did really).

See:

H1N1 Monitoring Questions & Answers

Why has CDC stopped reporting confirmed and probable novel H1N1 flu cases?
Because only a small proportion of persons with respiratory illness are tested for novel H1N1, at this time, confirmed and probable case counts represent a significant underestimation of the true number of novel H1N1 flu cases in the U.S., so the true benefit of reporting these numbers to track the course of the epidemic is questionable. In addition, because of the extensive spread of novel H1N1 flu within the United States, it has become extremely resource-intensive for states to count individual cases.

http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/reportingqa.htm

UK deaths in the news get you over 311 easy. And what, it was around 70 fatalities in Mexico before we even heard about it.

Anyway, doesn't really matter. It's what is projected that matters. This isn't seasonal flu. A lot of extra people will drop dead come regular flu season or all these scientists are full of shit. Time will tell. Don't take the vaccine if you don't want to.

[muriel_volestrangler]

18. 816 deaths by Mon 27th; by Wed 29th, 1,116 deaths

http://www.who.int/csr/don/2009_07_27/en/index.html

http://ecdc.europa.eu/en/files/pdf/Health_topics/Situation_Report_090729_1700hrs.pdf

[Snazzy]

19. ah well done, thanks! n/t

[JoDog]

20. Remember, the virus in the 1918 pandemic

first showed up in the spring of that year. It wasn't particularly deadly then, or at least no more so than garden variety flu. In the summer, it went underground during the warm weather in the Norther Hemisphere. During that time, it mutated/tweeked itself. When fall of 1918 hit--bam--tens of millions dead.

It sounds like virologists are getting ready in case this strain follows the same pattern.

[NYC Democrat]

30. but it isn't we already know that unlike the virus in 1918 this virus is still active in the summer.

[high density]

24. Human trials are going on now

The results won't be known until September.

[comtec]

15. im really not all that conspiracy minded

however I have to admit so many weird things about this in general are making me wonder....

half of the US... I wonder which half will die.
I wonder if this isn't some kind of experiment, or there is something else in this 'vaccination'.
It doesn't mean I won't seriously consider having my wife get inoculated - as she's diabetic and they are most at risk from the real flu.

Another thing... I keep hearing about the west... what about the East?
How is this affecting population centers in India or China?

With massive over populations like that... are they even feeling this? is this even an issue in Asia?
I wonder why it's just the western countries being bothered by this.

I have a lot of questions and shockingly few good answers... that's how a conspiracy theory starts anyway :)

[Snazzy]

17. H1N1 Fatalities and confirmed cases using BBC

Both the CDC and WHO are no longer keeping track of fatalities, I thought I'd see what BBC has:

BBC:

28 July 2009
Swine flu: Country by country

(Map)

Confirmed cases 168,921

Deaths 1,049


Swine flu: Country by country

The World Health Organization (WHO) says the spread of swine flu has become a global pandemic. Cases have now been confirmed in more than 150 countries around the world, and the illness has caused deaths in 39. For more see our swine flu special report.

After 6 July 2009, the WHO stopped producing detailed worldwide figures. For subsequent updates to the interactive map below, the source data is taken from the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control (ECDC).

Source: WHO, ECDC, CPC, HPA (UK), governments

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8083179.stm

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28 July 2009
Flu response 'under-prepared'

...

More than 100,000 people in the UK are estimated to have caught swine flu in the past week alone and 31 people have died after contracting the illness.

....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8171370.stm

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28 July 2009
Saudi Arabian swine flu fatality

...

It was the third death from swine flu in the Middle East, following fatalities in Egypt and Israel.

....

Egypt reported its first swine flu death on July 19, Israel confirmed its first fatality from the virus on Monday.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8170244.stm

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24 July 2009
Swine flu: Correspondents' round-up

(India--no fatalities, 371 cases)
There have been more than 15,000 cases in Australia, and 46 deaths.
(germany cases no reported deaths)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8167309.stm


24 July 2009
Swine flu 'reaches 160 countries'

The swine flu virus has reached 160 countries and could infect two billion people within the next two years, the World Health Organization has said.

...

The virus is thought to have killed almost 800 people in recent months.

Mr Fukuda, the WHO's Assistant Director General for Health Security, said the agency had been reporting only laboratory-confirmed cases, but that this was always going to be "only a subset of the total number of cases".

"Even if we have hundreds of thousands of cases or a few millions of cases, we're relatively early in the pandemic," he told the Associated Press news agency.

...

Mr Fukuda said the WHO estimates two billion people, one third of the global population, could eventually be infected.

....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/8167961.stm


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I found the map last of course, putting us at confirmed cases: 168,921, Deaths 1,049per BBC. This includes figures from WHO and CDC (US only) who are no longer counting (and there are different tales about when each did that).

Just interested in some idea about facts.

[Robb]

21. Those last numbers should be alarming to anyone. nt

[Snazzy]

36. US swine flu deaths surpass 350, CDC says

US swine flu deaths surpass 350, CDC says

ATLANTA (AP) -- Health officials say their count of U.S. swine flu deaths has risen to 353 and swine-flu associated hospitalizations have grown to more than 5,500.

The cumulative number of deaths rose from the 302 reported last Friday. Last week, health officials said there have been about 44,000 lab-confirmed illnesses but the government would stop providing such counts. Officials believe more than 1 million Americans have had the infection, but many cases go unreported.

Swine flu has continued to spread, but the number of states with widespread activity has been dropping. Now there are four - California, Hawaii, Maine and New Jersey.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_MED_SWINE_FLU?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2009-07-31-14-04-56

I was mistaken, they are tracking deaths, but not infections. The CDC web site is confusing as all hell, reminds me of microsoft.

[hedgehog]

25. Among the possible outcomes:

1, The flu stays mild, people complain that "they" caused unnecessary panic.

2. The flu turns bad, but vaccines keep the death rate down, people complain that "they" caused unnecessary panic.

3. The flu turns bad, a lot of people die, people complain that "they " didn't prepare properly and/or that the vaccine was deliberately made wrong and/or there wasn't enough vaccine.

4. The death rate stays down, people complain that anything that happens to people who were vaccinated (including getting hit by a car) is due to the vaccine.

[Robb]

27. I think you've about nailed it. nt

[Bragi]

28. One other possibility

5. Flu turns bad, lots of people die, everyone recognizes that shit happens, everyone did their best, no-one is to blame, pigs fly, everyone gets a pony.

- B

[hedgehog]

29. "everyone recognizes that shit happens, everyone did their best, no-one is to blame"

That'll never happen!

[Algorem]

26. probably want to kill off like30-40%?mostly people they don't want to employ

and of course the commie/libs.

[kestrel91316]

31. Don't ANYBODY get that swine flu vaccine!!!1!!11!!!

If I scare enough people out of getting it, there will be enough for me to get a dose, lol.

[marketcrazy1]

35. you can have mine!! N/T

[Devil_Fish]

37. you can have mine and my pregnant wife's. NT