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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 02:29 PM
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South Florida sees upswing in family trips to Cuba (travel ban removed for Cuban Americans)
Source: Miami Herald

Posted on Wednesday, 09.09.09
South Florida sees upswing in family trips to Cuba
South Florida has seen a surge in trips to Cuba as new U.S. policies toward Havana take shape.

BY ALFONSO CHARDY AND RUI FERREIRA
achardy@MiamiHerald.com

Nildo Herrera drew the stares of fellow passengers and airline ticket agents as he checked into his recent Havana flight at Miami International Airport wearing five hats, one atop another.

``One is for my grandson, another for my son and the rest for other relatives,'' the smiling 75-year-old Hialeah resident explained to a bemused Vivian Mannerud, a local Cuba travel industry executive handling his boarding.

Herrera was one of the thousands of travelers who swarm MIA's Concourse F pushing carts precariously loaded with mountains of suitcases and duffel bags, all tightly wrapped in blue plastic, as they inch their way to ticket counters to pick up boarding passes for Cuba flights.

The scenes are reminiscent of the days when MIA filled up with tens of thousands of exiles on early family-reunification flights in the late 1970s and early '80s. Family travel gradually dwindled as U.S.-Cuba relations cooled.


Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/miami-dade/story/1224032.html
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 02:32 PM
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1. Thank God.
How is separating families an American value?
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 02:48 PM
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6. How is relegating all the rest of us to 2nd class citizen/resident status an American value?
Edited on Wed Sep-09-09 02:50 PM by Mika
Since when do progressives celebrate being shoved to the back of the proverbial bus?

This is a gross violation of equal protection.

I object to being travel banned by my own government - having my constitutional right to unfettered travel abridged, while only a select few are given their FULL constitutional travel rights.

This nothing to celebrate. It is an injustice to the rest of us.


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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 03:05 PM
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10. Agreed. It is an outrage.
The ban itself was/is stupid, but to allow *some* people to travel is even worse.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 06:26 PM
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17. Oh, I completely agree with that.
But right now I'm pleased for FAMILIES. Tourists aren't first on the list.
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SPedigrees Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 02:35 PM
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2. Now I wish they'd restore travel to Cuba for ALL Americans. nt
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 02:45 PM
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5. it is baffling
I certainly applaud lifting the ban so families can reunite.

But why does the gov't need to get involved should I want to travel there as a tourist? I don't get it?

I picture a group of Cubans that wanted to hurt our relations with Cuba - so they raise enough of a stink to put a ban on travel. It seems ironic that they can now travel there, but I am not able to as a tourist. Seems very unfair.
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 02:56 PM
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7. Its not the Cuban exile's policy. It is the USA's policy to travel ban Americans.
Edited on Wed Sep-09-09 02:57 PM by Mika
Just exactly what the uninformed-about-Cuba accuse Cuba of doing to its citizens is exactly what the US gov does.

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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 03:03 PM
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8. I understand that - I am just suggesting that the ban from the U.S.A.
is as a result of pressure from anti-Castro Cubans. Now they are free to travel as US RESTRICTIONS are partially lifted. But not Americans in general.

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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 03:16 PM
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12. You give them way too much credit.
The Miamicuban exiles provide a convienent foil for agregious US policy against Cuba. Gets everyone all hot and bother AND distracted from the real issues relating to this.

Its about campaign and lobbying money on both pro and con sides of the sanctions on Cuba.

Eliminating the US sanctions removes a significant fund raising plank for both sides. Hence, both sides play the same game with no real intention of resolution.

Status quo rules the decades on this issue (read: US polical campaign fundraising methodologies/corruption), no matter how much one wants to rail against the influence of Miamicubano exiles.








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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 02:38 PM
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3. Amnesty urges Obama not to renew "immoral" sanctions against Cuba
Amnesty urges Obama not to renew "immoral" sanctions against Cuba
UK News
Sep 2, 2009, 11:18 GMT

London - Amnesty International Wednesday urged US President Barack Obama to refrain from renewing US sanctions against Cuba when the measures come under review later this month.

In a statement issued in London, Amnesty said the sanctions renewal date of September 14 presented a 'perfect opportunity' for Obama to 'distance himself from the failed policies of the past' and to send a strong message to the US Congress on the need to end the embargo.

Amnesty International's call is part of a report published Wednesday which examines the impact of the 1962 US economic embargo against Cuba.

'The US embargo against Cuba is immoral and should be lifted,' said Irene Khan, Amnesty's secretary-general.

'It's preventing millions of Cubans from benefiting from vital medicines and medical equipment essential for their health.'

The report said the sanctions had a particularly detrimental effect on the human and economic rights of Cubans as they restricted their access to medicines and medical technologies.

The sanctions were also limiting other imports and placed a restriction on travel and money transfers.

Products patented in the USA or containing more than 20 percent US-manufactured parts or components cannot be exported to Cuba, even if they are produced in third countries.

According to data from the United Nations, Cuba's inability to import nutritional products
for consumption at schools, hospitals and day care centres, was contributing to a high prevalence of iron deficiency anaemia, said the Amnesty report.

More:
http://www.monstersandcritics.com/news/uk/news/article_1498793.php/Amnesty-urges-Obama-not-to-renew-immoral-sanctions-against-Cuba
http://www.monstersandcritics.com.nyud.net:8090/global/img/copyright_notice.gif
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 02:42 PM
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4. Commentary: Our grudge with Cuba needs to end
Commentary: Our grudge with Cuba needs to end
The Fort Worth Star-Telegram
Published: Tue, Sep. 08, 2009 02:58PM Modified Wed, Sep. 09, 2009 06:41AM


Dwight Eisenhower was president when the United States first devised plans for an embargo against the small island nation of Cuba, just 90 miles off the coast of Florida.

Nine presidents later, this country has begun to take baby steps toward correcting an economic policy toward Fidel Castro's government that has been ineffective at best and, by many accounts, a total failure.

In the beginning, as Cuban exiles flooded to U.S. shores and the revolutionary government took over the assets of American companies there, it perhaps made sense that trade embargos were appropriate tools to put pressure on a regime that had embraced communism and had begun to oppress the people it claimed to have liberated.

But as the years passed, and especially after the end of the Cold War, it became fairly obvious that the American boycott of this tiny country was a policy driven more by political allegiance to the anti-Castro Cuban-American community in Florida than a solid foreign policy decision that made sense for either nation.

http://www.newsobserver.com/1573/story/1680220.html
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 03:04 PM
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9. sounds like "special rights"
for some Americans. what bullshit
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Lance_Boyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 03:06 PM
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11. this is unequal treatment under the law
and it should NOT be allowed to stand. I would love to see this challenged immediately to grant ALL US citizens the right to visit our neighbor. I hear the scuba diving is awesome.

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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 03:18 PM
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13. It clearly is unequal. How this is celebrated by progressives is beyond me.
The scuba and snorkel diving is among the finest in the world. Probably the greatest amount of unspoiled untouched reef systems in the world.

Been there. Done it.


:hi:





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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 03:35 PM
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14. Found a video at You Tube: Cuba scuba diving & shark feeding
Cuba scuba diving & shark feeding
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBMN5fmqFjk

scuba diving holguin cuba dive #3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nO_nLf6GfXE

scuba diving reef sol cayo coco beach cuba 2008
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOY5sK-Y-fs

Scuba Cuba near Cayo Santa-Maria Las Brujas. HD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlMGHXqvyG8
(great lighting, color)

Scuba in Cayo Largo, Cuba, 2006
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWqtRnS46zk

Diving with Moray eel in Cuba. Very friendly
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEhAaY0IteY

many more video choices at You Tube....
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marshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 03:40 PM
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15. What about tourists? Can they fly?
I would love to schedule a bicycle holiday across the island paradise.
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 04:13 PM
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16. Americans without relatives in Cuba are travel banned.
Americans without relatives in Cuba have to apply for a special Treasury Dept OFAC permit.

Change we can believe in? :(





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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 08:17 AM
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18. This is great news.
I would hope that Cubans can visit the U.S. soon, too, although the risk of defection is always uppermost in the Cuban government's position.
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 08:30 AM
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19. It is the US that denies Cuba visitation visas for that very reason.
Edited on Thu Sep-10-09 08:35 AM by Mika
Again, you reveal your near total ignorance on the subject.

It is the US that denies travel visas to Cubans because of the risk of their not returning in violation of their visa. Its part of the orderly migration accord between the US and Cuba.

Prior to the W admin's stepping up the axis of evil BS Cubans used to come to Miami and elsewhere and visit their relatives, go shopping, go to Disney, load up on supplies, and then return to their homes in Cuba. I know dozens of families here in Miami who's relatives used to do that regularly.

If Cubans want to move to the US permanently there are several legal avenues they can take - one being the over 20,000 US immigration visas offered to Cubans every year (more than any other nationality), and not all are even applied for.


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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 08:34 AM
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20. WOW!!! you really have twisted the facts.
You really BELIEVE that nonsense - that it is the U.S. that keep Cubans from visiting???????

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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 08:37 AM
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21. Ha. You were posting on the numerous threads discussing the US denying visas to all stripe of Cubans
Now you feign ignorance. :dunce:

Figures. Typical repug move.

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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 08:43 AM
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23. I was posting "WHERE?????"
wtf are you talking about? I've never posted on Cuban visas before now. EVER.

Please don't make up shit just to try to win an argument, Mika. It's against the rules on DU.
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Billy Burnett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 10:58 AM
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27. Cuban immigrants find themselves stuck
Overstaying their visitation visas is a major reason the US is now rejecting almost all visitation applications from Cubans.

Some examples of the problems this sets up ...

Cuban immigrants find themselves stuck after being denied benefits
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/11189135.htm
BY OSCAR CORRAL
ocorral@herald.com

A little-noticed change in federal benefit rules has kept
scores of older Cuban immigrants from collecting disability
checks that are considered one of America's last-ditch
social safety nets, according to a pair of public service
lawyers.

People like Barbara Diaz, who arrived from Cuba five years
ago, are left with little or no income, say the lawyers who
are trying to address the situation.

''I don't regret coming to this country because it's the
best in the world,'' said Diaz, 71. ``But I thought I would
have this help, and I don't.''

Diaz was counting on receiving Supplemental Security
Income, or SSI -- monthly benefits of up to $570 that are
paid to disabled or older people whose incomes are low
enough to qualify for the checks.

But she and others have been denied the help because of an
obscure change in policy made in 2001 by the Social
Security Administration, which oversees SSI.

The agency ruled that it would provide SSI benefits to
Cuban immigrants only if they arrived via the dry-foot
policy, which basically means they fled successfully to the
United States without a visa and often by rafts or go-fast
boats. Cubans who, like Diaz, arrived on tourist visas but
then overstayed them were denied.


OK'D, THEN REJECTED

Since then, dozens of people who came on visas have had
their benefits initially approved but then rejected by the
Social Security agency.

Lawyers Jose Fons and Lizel Gonzalez of Legal Services of
Greater Miami said Cuban clients who have been denied
benefits have flooded their offices the past two years.
They now have almost 200 clients in the same predicament.

''Immigration law is supposed to serve this community, but
the government is leaving them out to dry,'' Gonzalez said.

Gonzalez said the Cuban government seems to be sending its
retired and disabled citizens to the United States as
tourists.

For example, Nuris Morales, 68, said when she left Cuba in
2000, officials there said ``it was the year of the elderly
and they were giving visas to the elderly in the United
States.''

Lawyers for such immigrants believe their clients are
entitled to the monthly SSI benefits because they were
given residency under the Cuban Refugee Adjustment Act.

COUNTY PAYS

But while the Cubans await court rulings on their benefits,
Miami-Dade County has partially picked up the tab for some
of them, giving them $220 a month in welfare funds for rent
assistance.

In 2000, the county distributed just $1.3 million in this
last-resort aid. Last year, the number was $2.07 million,
an increase of nearly 60 percent. Payments over the past
five years total $8.4 million.

As of Dec. 31, Miami-Dade had registered 1,153 active
clients receiving the monthly $220, an amount that has not
been raised in 20 years and which Gonzalez and Fons say is
ridiculously meager.

People who receive the aid must sign an agreement to repay
the money once they begin receiving SSI benefits. But
Gonzalez said the county never gets repaid if people lose
their court cases.

The Department of Homeland Security, which oversees
immigration, said it does not distinguish in status between
Cuban immigrants who got residency through the ''wet
foot/dry foot'' policy or those who overstayed tourist
visas. The immigrant lawyers hope to persuade the Social
Security Administration to adopt the same view.

''We are working to resolve the issue of their immigration
status, and we have to work with the Department of Homeland
Security to resolve that,'' said Social Security
spokeswoman Patti Patterson.

Bill Strassberger, a spokesman for the U.S. Citizenship and
Immigration Service, said it's the Department of Homeland
Security's job to clarify whether Cubans who overstay
tourist visas should be considered Cuban/Haitian entrants.


Cuban-American legislators have been cautious on the issue.
U.S. Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen did not return phone calls
seeking comment. And U.S. Rep. Lincoln Díaz-Balart would
only say he is looking into it.

NEEDS `CLEAR IDEA'

''I will do whatever I can, but I need to get a clear
idea,'' Díaz-Balart said. ``We're taking that very
seriously.''

Caught in the legal wrangle are the older Cubans who say
they need the $570 to live. They generally have no income
other than the county's infusion and whatever else they
earn doing odd jobs.

Diaz, who prays every morning to San Lazaro and Santa
Barbara, said she fell while leaving a job cleaning houses
two years ago and tore hip ligaments. She said she leaves
her apartment only to walk to a nearby Sedano's for
groceries.

Diaz is lucky in some respects. She lives in a studio
apartment behind her son and his wife in Hialeah. But like
many of the Cubans interviewed, she said she suffers bouts
of deep depression because she never wanted to be a burden
to her son, and she doesn't have any friends in her adopted
country.

''I pray to San Lazaro to take care of me,'' she said, her
hands clutched before the altar of saints she smuggled out
of Cuba. ``They give me at least some comfort.''

COUPLE STRUGGLES

Estefania Perdigon, 67, came from Cuba in 2000 and
overstayed her tourist visa. She became a resident under
the Cuban Adjustment Act, applied for SSI benefits and was
rejected.


A couple of years ago, she married Salvador Sarzo, 82, a
Cuban who is a naturalized citizen and receives benefits.
Sarzo is disabled now, and she cares for him.

On a recent morning, after getting Sarzo out of bed,
Perdigon talked about the challenges of living on the $569
a month her husband collects. They must cover every monthly
bill with that, including $119 in subsidized rent.

She said if it weren't for the $165 in food stamps they
both get monthly, they would be destitute. Their furniture
is donated, and they don't own a car.

''We're barely getting by,'' she said. ``I need those
benefits.''

Fons offered the case of another client, Maria Gonzalez,
74. But when Gonzalez was sought out for an interview
recently at her downtrodden Little Havana apartment, it was
discovered she had been evicted, her possessions tossed
into the street.

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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 11:16 AM
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31. Your article really rings a bell, Billy Burnett. I've heard about Cubans visiting the US,
especially Florida for years and years.

I've heard so many times about anxiety visitors might want to stay, which always seemed so odd, considering the lengths to which the US goes to attract national Cubas using tools like the Cuban Adjustment Act, and a whole spectrum of inducements like Section 8 housing, food stamps, instant legal status, welfare, free medical treatment, etc., etc., NONE OF THIS AVAILABLE TO OTHER ILLEGAL IMIGRANTS.

I've even read in newspapers of Cubans visiting relatives in Florida and making short trips to other points in the U.S, like New York, etc. and I've heard many times about shopping trip visits. I've heard it's commonly known in South Florida.

Thanks for taking the time to add substance to the discussion. There is NO substance to the position which would deny this well known fact.
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Billy Burnett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 11:24 AM
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32. That too.
Cubans in Miami sure do love the socialism we Americans pay for - interestingly we Americans who pay for the extra socialistic incentives for Cuban legal and illegal entrants into the US are relegated to 2nd class status now by the Obama admin's decision to keep Americans travel banned but Cuban residents and aliens are granted their full travel rights.

That aside, certain teabagger look-alikes here knowingly continue to spew RW bullshit to the much underinformed US public here.


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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 11:36 AM
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33. Ignorance is the fertile soil for disinformation.The only defense is awareness & an active mind.n/t
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Billy Burnett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 10:19 AM
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24. VISITOR VISAS FOR CUBANS SUSPENDED
VISITOR VISAS FOR CUBANS SUSPENDED
http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-59423551.html
Temporary visas for Cubans who want to visit relatives in the U.S. were suspended due to a disagreement between Washington and Havana on the new visa application system


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Billy Burnett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 10:27 AM
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25. En Route to Harvard Cubans Face Visa Delays
En Route to Harvard Cubans Face Visa Delays
http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=505131

Since Sept. 11, however, officials at Harvard said that standards have been tightened—causing unprecedented delays for scholars invited as visiting researchers.

“For Cuban nationals coming to the U.S., it has been very difficult—if not impossible—to get visas,” said Parker M. Emerson, a senior adviser to foreign students and scholars at the Harvard International Office (HIO).

- -

The law currently allows Cuban citizens to stay indefinitely in the United States once they arrive on American soil, something Emerson said has caused a “legal quagmire.”

“It’s very difficult because of this intent to immigrate,” he said. “It’s hard to meet that double standard of saying ‘please give me this temporary visa even though I could end up moving there.’”


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Billy Burnett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 10:32 AM
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26. U.S. denies visa to Cuban minister for black history visit
U.S. denies visa to Cuban minister for black history visit
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x353184
A Baptist minister from Cuba who was expected to speak in Mobile in connection with Black History Month said he was denied a travel visa Friday by the U.S. State Department.

The Rev. Raul Suarez, pastor of Ebeneezer Baptist Church in Havana, has canceled his planned visit. Suarez has received visas to visit the United States several times over the past decade, most recently in 1999, he said.

Suarez was invited to Alabama by the Society Mobile-La Habana, a Mobile-based sister cities group. The visit, set between Feb. 14-20, was to have included speeches to local civic groups and sermons at area churches.

Suarez, who serves as director of the Martin Luther King Jr. Memorial Center in Havana, also was scheduled to walk a portion of the Selma-to-Montgomery National Historic Trail and to tour Montgomery sites of significance in the civil rights movement.

Society Mobile members said they received a telephone call from a State Department official Friday informing them that Suarez's visa application, submitted on Nov. 10, had been denied.


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Billy Burnett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 11:03 AM
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28. U.S. rejects Cuban piano tuner's visa request
U.S. rejects Cuban piano tuner's visa request
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2579

They've {the US gov} rejected visas for everyone from Ricardo Alarcon, president of Cuba's national assembly, to Chucho Valdes, an acclaimed Cuban musician who won a Latin Grammy in 2002.



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Billy Burnett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 11:10 AM
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29. Travel from Cuba to the US
Edited on Thu Sep-10-09 11:12 AM by Billy Burnett
Travel from Cuba to the US
http://afrocubaweb.com/news/cubatravelfromnews.htm

Using every possible trick in the book and then some, the State Department and OFAC have virtually stopped all travel from Cuba to the US, especially for musicians and artists who are deemed to be making money for Castro: "Since most cuban artists are compensated by the cuban government, they are rightly considered to be its employees... Work financially enriches the regime, not the artist."

The trend started with Bush's election and with a law passed by the Senate on 4/18/02 which made travel by Cuban Citizens to the US much more difficult. As of the end of May, 2002, reports started to come in of the FBI making calls to US hosts of Cuban academics and artists asking such illuminating questions as "Is this person a terrorist?" The point is not to investigate but to chill.

None of this has changed under Obama.



robcon, Mika's right. You do reveal your near total ignorance on the subject.



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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 09:02 PM
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34. You'd think they'd be embarrassed re-repeating known canards.
Like many RWers, facts mean nothing.

:hi:


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Billy Burnett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 11:15 AM
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30. THE MISSING CUBAN MUSICIANS
Edited on Thu Sep-10-09 11:18 AM by Billy Burnett
THE MISSING CUBAN MUSICIANS
http://afrocubaweb.com/missingcubanmusicians.htm

This 34 page report reviews the history of the current blanket ban the US government has put on any Cuban musicians coming to the US. It is available as a PDF download, 101KB. http://afrocubaweb.com/The%20Missing%20Cuban%20Musicians.pdf See the table of contents below.


robcon, you telling Mika he's got his facts twisted on Cuba issues is like Joe Wilson yelling "You Lie" at Mr Obama. Rude and wrong.


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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 08:41 AM
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22. Wonder if you could make a legal case of non-Cuban Americans not being allowed to travel there? nt
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