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Purveyor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 11:33 AM
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Attorney General Holder Decides Not To Charge Former Bush Justice Department Official
Source: Associated Press

WASHINGTON - Attorney General Eric Holder has decided not to bring any criminal charges against a former Bush administration official who lawmakers said lied to them in sworn testimony.

An inspector general's report found that Bradley Schlozman, the former head of the civil rights division, misled lawmakers about whether he politicized hiring decisions.

Criminal prosecutors eyed the matter but decided not to file any criminal charges for his under-oath denials of making personnel decisions based on politics.

Read more: http://www.startribune.com/nation/59038727.html?elr=KArks:DCiUMEaPc:UiD3aPc:_Yyc:aULPQL7PQLanchO7DiUr
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joeycola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 11:36 AM
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1. So, there is to be accountability . whow. black and white.
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lsewpershad Donating Member (964 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 06:32 PM
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116. Tell me again
WHY we need government?
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 11:39 AM
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2. I didn't expect anything different.
The elite cover the asses of their own, while the peasants will suffer the full extent of the law.

Some things just never seem to change in this wonderful "Democracy"!
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 06:34 PM
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117. o yeah, they always do...no surprise here
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Mr. Sparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 11:50 AM
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3. I'm shocked ....
that im not shocked any more. The report found that Schlozman misled lawmakers, and our Attorney General thinks he should not be charged.

Maybe Eric Holder is not up to the job, that's the impression i got over the last few months.

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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 12:21 PM
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16. That makes 2 of us. WTF?????!!!!!! nt
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abq e streeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 12:33 PM
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21. Beg to reluctantly disagree-Holder is up to EXACTLY the job he's been hired to do
which quite obviously (to me) includes letting the repubs completely get away with mocking, stealing, ripping up, and then pissing on the torn up remnants of, the constitution.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 03:01 PM
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77. abso fucking lutely!...only fools and propagandists don't know it
so many have been gamed ...don't worry there are enough of us to say ..we told you so!
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 02:03 PM
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56. The report found that Schlozman misled lawmakers
But y'see... he didn't lie about a blow job with consenting adults in the Oval Office. Now THAT'S against the law!
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 02:11 PM
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60. Eric Holder is proving himself a joke.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 02:46 PM
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70. In a word or two -- Ted Stevens n/t
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Grassy Knoll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 10:45 PM
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130. Politics as usual ..Cover Obama now to gain popularity ....have to.
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ScottLand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 07:17 AM
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139. That's my feeling.
Anybody still wondering why so few people still vote?

Oh, well, I'm sure they'd give me a pass too if I lied to the government.
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Melinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 11:55 AM
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4. I don't understand the unrecommendations at all; DUers need to see this...
Edited on Fri Sep-11-09 11:57 AM by Melinda
and so, here's a K&R from me.

No "change" here! Spread this far and wide.!
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 12:21 PM
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17. Did the same. nt
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 12:45 PM
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29. I'm with that.
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pocoloco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 01:37 PM
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42. Who you gonna believe?
Me, or your own two eyes?
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 01:38 PM
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43. It's chess, dude.
Edited on Fri Sep-11-09 01:38 PM by tekisui
:eyes:
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LiberalLovinLug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 02:19 PM
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63. There is a confusion about the purpose of the unrecommend
I think some DUers think the following:

Story or OP that makes me feel angry, makes me feel bad, despondent, sheds negative light on a Democrat = UNRECOMMEND!

Story or OP that coddles my anger, makes me feel good, sheds negative light on opposition or positive light on a Democrat or liberal point of view = RECOMMEND!

To those DUers. It is not how the story makes you feel, it is how important it is for the story to be shared, negative or positive.

That said, I think the majority understand this, and eventually the recs works their way up. But I still wonder how many smaller "negative" stories never get the traction to overcome the first onslaught of these well meaning but misguided unrecommenders.
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frog92969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 06:10 PM
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113. K&R
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Control-Z Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 08:49 PM
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125. But, but, but...
Edited on Fri Sep-11-09 08:50 PM by Control-Z
I know you're being generous and all, offering the benefit of the doubt, but are there really active members on this board who don't understand this? I think a child could probably figure out the outcome of the unrec feature.

There are members here, old and new, without an ounce of good will for DU. I wish the administrators could program a feature that would allow them to identify the habitual unrec'ers, especially the ones who are always first to do so. It would be a good way of weeding out the trolls and disruptors.

I could be wrong. :shrug:

edit: btw - Rec (X2, if I could)
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scentopine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 07:12 PM
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119. Unrec is DU's special form of censorship - nt
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Grinchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 03:01 AM
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135. I thought it was called the Dungeon
Whoops, I said the word Dungeon, now this post will be deleted, without being sent to the Dungeon.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 11:55 AM
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5. But when it comes to DOMA Holder claims he is required to
enforce the law. Perjury is a crime. Holder by choice does not enforce that law. This means he and the President practice selective enforcement of the law, and use the law to express their own personal bigotry against GLBT people.
"We have to defend it, we must enforce all standing law."
Hypocrites.
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Wizard777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 12:18 PM
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13. I don't see how you provide an equal protection of law with selective enforcement of the law.
I guess well have to change the jury system. Now they find a person to be popular or unpopular instead of guilty or not guilty. If the jury find you to be popular you will get a pat on the back for the crime you have committed. If the jury find you to be unpopular. You will go to jail for the crime you have committed. Our courts are now just a popularity contest. They longer have anything to do with the law.
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 02:44 PM
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67. "“Justice is incidental to law and order.”
J. Edgar Hoover

Back in the old days I had a poster on the wall w/ that quote.
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Zenlitened Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 01:37 PM
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41. Interesting point.
Sadly. :(
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Just-plain-Kathy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 11:55 AM
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6. We are so screwed. ..K&R so people see this.
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 11:58 AM
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7. well, that's nice. keeping bush assholes nice and safe
good for eric. he must be so happy w/himself.

fuck upholding the law--what does it matter that someone lied under oath?

fuck that. good for eric! breaking the rules! what a little maverick.

piss on truth & justice--it's more important to keep Bradley Schlozman feeling warm and cozy--and keep the repukes feeling oozy and warm knowing they were able to get away with shit for years.

thank you eric--for reviewing this like you said you would and then shoving it up your ass. after all, the past is in the past and it's all blood under the bridge.

we're all so proud of you


:sarcasm:

and i see the "UNRECOMMEND FAIRY" struck again. so i just recommended this back up to "0"
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 12:01 PM
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8. Disappointing. nt
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 12:04 PM
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9. Zellouts!
K&R
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Festivito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 12:07 PM
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10. Not as though justice is like the first establishment of our Constution...
Oh! Yeah, it is the first thing named as established in our Constitution. Oops.

Hey! What's with not following our Constitution?
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WorseBeforeBetter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 12:11 PM
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11. K&R (n/t)
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 12:12 PM
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12. K&R
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MsLeopard Donating Member (717 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 12:19 PM
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14. Oh, what a surprise
NOT! Meet the new boss, just like the old boss. We are so screwed. I weep for my country. K&R
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Wizard777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 12:20 PM
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15. If Congress feels that he has lied to them. Then Congress needs to tender a warrant.
Let Holder refuse that. The next warrant coming out Congress should be for Holder on charges of Contempt of Congress.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 12:31 PM
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19. Please do not hold your breath waiting for the Spineless Wonders to act. nt
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bluesmail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 12:23 PM
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18. They probably got something, you need iron clad information.
It might be years before any biggie is brought down. Can't give away any protocol, either.
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nightrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 12:32 PM
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20. knr. Sadly, Obama said he wanted to look forward rather than backward, as if they're mutually
exclusive options. Sadly, not a surprise that Holder made that decision. We all had such hope that things would be different.....
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 12:40 PM
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26. Bill Clinton did that and we ended up w another bu$h!
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nightrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 12:45 PM
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28. Sadly, perhaps some experiences have to be repeated several times to be more fully appreciated.
'Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it'. Or something akin... Huh?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 12:33 PM
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 12:39 PM
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23. So some are still above the law, AG Holder? VERY disappointing!
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 12:45 PM
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30. Coming to be expected.
Obama doesn't even realize how this is fueling Republican obstruction. If they were facing prosecution they would be so much nicer.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 03:01 PM
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78. I wish someone would school him how looking the other way by Clinton lead to the disastrous * Admin
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 03:56 PM
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87. I agree 100%, this is wrong on so many fronts, damn it all.
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Beer on a stick Donating Member (421 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 12:39 PM
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24. Yet another Obama DOJ fucking sellout.
I'm starting to see precious little difference in it and the last administration's.
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 01:15 PM
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37. Ding-ding-ding.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 12:39 PM
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25. ATTN A.G. Holder
under bush / Cheney / Rove

It was as follows:

The NSA did the spying
The D o J was the muscle w/ the US Attorneys being the hit men.



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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 12:44 PM
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27. I'm beginning to wonder if a deal was made...
No punishment for Buscho criminals in exchange for not stealing another election.
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katandmoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 12:51 PM
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31. That would be the kind of deal Obamadmin would strike. BushCo walks AND steals the next election,
with full confidence that Obamadmin would STILL let them get away with it.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 01:39 PM
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44. Yeah, because they are so trustworthy.
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 01:56 PM
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53. in exchange for not stealing another election.
The election would have had to be close for another theft. (would have had to have been close?... grammar melt down!!!!)


Well, anyway, I suppose the DoJ has other important things to do... like.... uh.... rearranging the furniture.
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 02:46 PM
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69. This has been the pattern ever since Ford pardoned Nixon...
...and the egregiousness of the crimes is progressively worse with each rethug who gets into office.
The complacency with which so many Americans accept our invasion of Iraq under false pretenses makes my stomach turn. And it makes me fear for what may lie ahead in terms of terrorist attacks. Nothing infuriates suffering people more than those who dismiss them as insignificant.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 02:03 PM
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57. More like help winning the primaries
Who, and what deals, really determined which candidate would be the nominee?
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NecklyTyler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 05:17 PM
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108. My aluminum foil hat is screaming at me to put it on
:tinfoilhat:

I just cannot shake the thoughts that in the last days of the Bush Administration, some kind of agreement was reached. Bush cooperated with President Obama on the bank bailout, auto company loans, and stimulus package. Then Ted Stevens walks, Cheney runs his mouth in the media without fear of prosecution, but Don Siegelman is presumed guilty.

/:tinfoilhat: /off

I'm confused
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 12:52 PM
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32. better link to story, more details.
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 12:56 PM
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33. You know this is gonna come back to haunt us, right?
One more Bushie biding his time, waiting for Republicans to take the White House again so he can get nominated to another position in Justice where he can screw things up worse than he did last time.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 01:01 PM
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Iowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 01:02 PM
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35. I changed my party affiliation from Democratic party to no-party a few months ago...
Edited on Fri Sep-11-09 01:03 PM by Iowa
I no longer want to be affiliated with a corrupt, sell-out, fascist-leaning, quasi-Republican party... and that's what the Democratic party has become. The times have changed and we need to change with them.
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 01:28 PM
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38. Do we have the Progressive Caucus' backs or not?
I can respect non party affiliation for principled reasons so don't get me wrong.
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marasinghe Donating Member (754 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 05:15 PM
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107. Dennis & the other Progressives should have got out into the fresh air long before 2008
i can't understand what they ever hope to achieve amongst this gang of wussies & traitors. they should've left the blue-dog pack - to their fornicating with the reptiles & sucking off their joint masters - a long time back. and they should have started the progressive party that this country is screaming out to the heavens for.
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 08:06 PM
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122. But we are taking our party back. It's just that we have not
been working at it as long as the batshit crazy rightwingers.

Imagine how very difficult it is for our Progressive reps when some of us sound surrender so soon.

The fringe lunatics in the rightwing knew it would be a decades long fight and take deep pockets.

We win a couple Congresses and a Presidency back and some expect everything to be all better when we didn't purge the dead weight in our party. I am not making excuses for anyone, I am discouraged as well by our party's leadership. We have party leadership that among other sins recruits Republicans to run as Democrats. Think that is gonna stop without a fight or because we ask nicely?
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 03:42 PM
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85. I will be changing mine also next week! nt
:banghead:
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davidwparker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 01:09 PM
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36. Why is this surprising. One reason for not supporting Hillary was
that Bill demonstrated that he was not going to prosecute those in Iran/Contra.

Looks like the Obama administration feels the same for previous Bush administration's crimes.

Same old, same old is what it is turning out to be.
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 01:31 PM
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39. Lower your expectations enough and you can't be disappointed. nt
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Janice325 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 01:37 PM
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40. Oh, bullshit!
k&r
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 01:40 PM
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45. Big surprise (sigh)... nt
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 01:41 PM
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46. Anyone expecting accountability from the "Justice" Department is going to be disappointed
This has been clear for months now.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 01:42 PM
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47. Atty General Holder tells America: "It's okay to break the law, kiddies. Go wild!" nt
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peace13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 01:42 PM
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48. What do you call liars and criminals? American Idols.
Yet the little people better walk in step or be fined or sent off to jail. This is how it will be forever. I hope Obama knows that he is putting the icing on *'s cake. Sucks to be us!
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 01:45 PM
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49. Great!
Now I can do whatever I want, too.


Damn! I actually paid for my groceries this AM.
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 01:46 PM
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50. I wonder how much longer being Republican will be a shield from lawful prosecution.
I might consider changing my registration to do a couple of bank jobs. Even if convicted, it's not as if they do the same kind of time as Black people, poor people or marijuana users.

A hearty and hale "F.U." to the tool in the AG's office.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 01:46 PM
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51. Justice is DEAD in this country There will be no arrests
the cabal took over the country

if there are any doubts of the take over
the obvious no prosecution
by the Attorney General says it all

They just changed the names but the government of 8 years is still with us folks

At least the Attorney General has taken away the illusion of Justice in this country
and places this administration as players of the same mold as Aschcroft and Gonzales
lets say it like it is

And we are still in Iraq and added more troops to Afghanistan

and only have had our children's futures taken away with massive debt in the pockets of a few

A World wide depression and debt slavery

but I await the anger of the working class to storm the bastille
and they will

May God have mercy on their souls
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 09:13 PM
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127. Ain't it grand?
Change you can barely detect if you stare intently with blinders on at one or two policy changes!
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Pangolin2 Donating Member (560 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 01:48 PM
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52. ISOKIYAR
apparently
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 01:56 PM
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54. That's very transparent. Republicans can commit crimes w/o punishment!!
Gotta lov the transparency!!
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 05:51 PM
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111. And the Democrats drive their get-away cars
Nader was right after all! (And I certainly didn't think so at the time)
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 04:24 PM
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144. Is Holder a Dem? Doesn't seem like it.
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bkozumplik Donating Member (391 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 02:02 PM
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55. shocking
Holder's been such a shining pillar of justice up to now. Ten or fifty more events like this and I might start to wonder about him.

I blame all you progressives who have been saying bad tings about Holder-- you probably stressed him out, made him feel unsupported, and then he folded on this.
So in a way, this is all your fault progressives. More unquestioning support, less fussing over the meaningless itty bitty details. And send more money, you cheap damned hippies. Playing 3 dimensional chess is hard work.


Seriously, I wonder what this guy does with his days... Maybe just staring at the wall and drooling?
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abq e streeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 03:16 PM
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81. great bit of satire--welcome ( assuming your post count means you're new)
As far as what he does with his days? Doing whatever the big money boys who run the show tell him to...
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RoccoR5955 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 02:09 PM
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58. This is more of the "Just Us" mentality, than Justice.
No change from the previous resident of the White House.
I think I'll give my congressman a call this weekend. WTF, he's home on weekends, I'll just invite myself over, and ask him about this. Maybe HE has some insight.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 02:10 PM
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59. If this is surprising or shocking wait until he decides not to prosecute any bush administration
officials or bush* or Cheney or any republican. They are all basically on the same team.
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 02:11 PM
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61. I'm going to make a huge leap in my judgement and say, the only
crimes that get prosecuted are sex crimes. Those are the biggest crimes not to be tolerated. And if your Don Sieglman or another Dem that is in the way of the "agenda" you too will be prosecuted on crimes not really a crime, but will be worked up into a crime!
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Golden Raisin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 02:14 PM
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62. Looks like we're getting
plenty of audacity (not the kind we expected) and our hopes are being dashed. Lie under oath to Congress and no charges. What a disgrace.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 02:23 PM
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64. well i guess the only law you absolutely have to uphold is DOMA
the rest are negotiable
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 02:43 PM
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65. Maybe the republican will like us now.
This is just stupid. The message to every lying politician, to every ideologue with an axe to grind is that there is no penalty for lying, cheating, or stealing.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 02:43 PM
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66. With Schlozman walking, just about every other election fraudster under Bush will
Edited on Fri Sep-11-09 02:45 PM by autorank
This is a bad actor and he did a lot of damage to civil and voting rights.

Ted Stevens is about the only person to get special attention and relief while Sigelman and
others languish in jail or under indictment.

Does he deserve relief?

Bush Appointee "Led by Power"
By Paul Kiel - April 26, 2007, 2:27PM
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/003101.php

So far, Bradley Schlozman has been a minor character in the U.S. attorneys scandal. He ought to be a major one.

To put the case succinctly: Schlozman was the most aggressively political of the political appointees in the Justice Department's Civil Rights Division. And the administration installed him as the U.S. attorney in a key swing state in an election year. And to clinch it all, as we'll see in our next post, he delivered.

Schlozman was appointed to be the interim U.S. attorney in western Missouri on March 23, 2006 -- just two weeks after the president had signed the USA Patriot Act into law; the bill contained a provision that allowed interim U.S. attorneys to serve indefinitely.

There are indications that Schlozman's predecessor, Todd Graves, was forced out. He resigned suddenly, and local news reports noted in passing that he quit without having his next job lined up. And there is strong circumstantial evidence that his name appeared on one of Kyle Sampson's list of U.S. attorneys to fire shortly before he resigned.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 03:00 PM
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76. Maybe those fired career staffers (minorities) should file suit regarding this ignoring the law:
Report: Schlozman Broke The Law, Then Tried To Hide It From Senate
By Zachary Roth - January 13, 2009, 10:39AM
Here's the key excerpt, finding that Schlozman broke the law by considering political affiliations in making hiring decisions, and made false statement about it to the Senate:

The evidence in our investigation showed that Schlozman, first as a Deputy Assistant Attorney General and subsequently as Principal Deputy Assistant Attorney General and Acting Assistant Attorney General, considered political and ideological affiliations in hiring career attorneys and in other personnel actions affecting career attorneys in the Civil Rights Division. In doing so, he violated federal law - the Civil Service Reform Act - and Department policy that prohibit discrimination in federal employment based on political and ideological affiliations, and committed misconduct. The evidence also showed that Division managers failed to exercise sufficient oversight to ensure that Schlozman did not engage in inappropriate hiring and personnel practices.

Moreover, Schlozman made false statements about whether he considered political and ideological affiliations when he gave sworn testimony to the Senate Judiciary Committee and in his written responses to supplemental questions from the Committee. Schlozman is no longer employed by the Department and, therefore, is not subject to disciplinary action by the Department. We recommend, however, that, if criminal prosecution is declined these findings be considered if Schlozman seeks federal employment in the future. We believe that his violations of the merit system principles set forth in the Civil Service Reform Act, federal regulations, and Department policy, and his subsequent false statements to Congress render him unsuitable for federal service.

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/01/report_schlozman_broke_the_law_then_tried_to_hide.php


SHAMEFUL!

:hi:
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 03:24 PM
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82. I hope that they do
But we can be assured that our Constitution is in good shape and justice prevails with the
great honor bestowed upon Ted Steven, as guilty a guy as there ever was.

If there were a serious Justice Department effort to restore constitutional liberties stolen
by Bush-Cheney, I might be more sympathetic. But that's not happening.

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oxymoronic Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 02:44 PM
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68. Want to get rid of Holder?
Simple...just rat him out to Glenn Beck and he's toast.
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NoSheep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 02:47 PM
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71. Oh fuck I hate this.
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Ezlivin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 02:50 PM
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72. No problem: In four more years we can throw the bums out!
Yes, we have the power to vote! That's all it takes.

:sarcasm:
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 02:54 PM
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73. PLS join me in asking AG Holder if this sets precedent that lying to congress is acceptable:
askDOJ@usdoj.gov

if nothing else they deserve to hear an earful!
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 05:11 PM
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105. Joined, email sent. Had to tone it down quite a bit though.
Good thing he can't see my rough draft.
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create.peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 06:24 PM
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114. I simply put that question in the subject line, and no comment in the body.nt
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 02:59 PM
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74. mark me surprised....lol....eom
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BR_Parkway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 02:59 PM
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75. "But mama, he said he was sorry, and promised never to hit me again"
Maybe we should require psychological testing of our primary candidates - we sure keep sending those with battered wife syndrome to DC too often
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harmonicon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 03:03 PM
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79. huh?
So now no one can ever be charged with perjury. That's just fucking great.
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Libertas1776 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 03:14 PM
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80. Come on, roll over...
roll over Holder...Come on, who's a good boy? Who's a good boy?

Justice in America, to be enforced whenever they feel like it. :puke:
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 03:31 PM
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83. Just what I expected. Whatever.
But I forget myself. I have no right to express such an opinion.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 03:43 PM
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86. watch it..the thought police will get ya!!..Hi 'ya!! ..eom
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 04:32 PM
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92. They already swarmed me on thinking abortions for poor women ought to be covered by HCR!
I really need to be quiet I guess. Sigh. How are ya? I have been thinking about you lately!
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 04:55 PM
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96. tough day today..9/11 and bad storms here..flooding..I guess only fitting..
the heavens are crying..just a sad day of reflection..
and hubby had to fly out to where I flew on 9/11..so i feel very unsettled..just a bad day all around..and to see some of the yeahoos here attacking great dems I know and have worked side by side with makes me angry ..beyond words.

Anyway..glad to see you once again here..I have thought about you as well...and hope you are well!

fly
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 05:10 PM
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104.  I know this is a tough day for you. My thoughts are with you.
It is the arrogance combined with ignorance that blows my mind but some things just are what they are. I am trying to learn that most of this is all nonsense and doesn't make a difference anyway. Bless you Fly!
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 03:39 PM
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84. As always, you can get away with it...if you are rich and connected.
Now, let's get the Justice Department back at putting poor drug addicts and petty thieves in prison for life with three strikes you're out.

DOUBLE STANDARD.
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Torn_Scorned_Ignored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 03:59 PM
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88. Hope and Change
:shakeshead:
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 04:10 PM
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89. Change you can believe in!
Uh huh.

And, let's not forget the justice that Don Siegelman is getting from Holder.

Eric Holder is a damned joke.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 04:11 PM
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90. Wrong . . . this is definitely not the thing to do . .. unless you want more of the same!!
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Independent_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 05:12 PM
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106. Exactly.
Which is why people need to raise hell about this. When the next Bush admin. is in power, the things they'll feel they can get away with will make the things committed by the last Bush admin. look like child's play.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 04:12 PM
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91. k i c k
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uberblonde Donating Member (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 04:35 PM
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93. What does it take to get any accountability?
I despair of my country.
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Swede Atlanta Donating Member (906 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 04:38 PM
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94. Obama....Backpedaling, Yes We Can!!!
Unfortunately I have given up on this President. He still talks a good talk but doesn't walk the walk.

He has demonstrated nothing but contempt for the people who elected him. He continues rendition, grows our presence in Afghanistan, doesn't take decisive action on Don't Ask Don't Tell, refuses to hold criminals accountable for their crimes, loves the idea of the unitary presidency with unlimited and unbridled power and will, mark my words, backpedal on the public option. So too will he cave in on climate change and green energy, reforming NAFTA so that it works for American workers, etc.

Can't wait for 2012 to vote this joker out of office.
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frog92969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 10:47 PM
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131. You forgot FISA
He was supposed to fix that in exchange for our votes,
after he voted to make it worse last year.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 04:43 PM
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95. Could Schlozman have turned and ratted out others to save his skin?
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Independent_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 05:02 PM
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98. That's what I was wondering.
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Independent_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 05:06 PM
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101. .
Edited on Fri Sep-11-09 05:08 PM by Independent_Liberal
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 10:08 PM
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129. There's also the smart man who picks his battles. I think a lot of that is
going on right now. Save your powder for the big fights. At least I hope that is what is going on.
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frog92969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 10:50 PM
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132. That would be the only acceptable excuse.
But I seriously doubt it.
Just another case of right wing immunity.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 01:32 PM
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143. The only excuse
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 04:58 PM
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97. Interesting how tight the Obama administration is with the Bu*h "good ol' boys" club.
Same shit, different day.

Friend of mine just got all charges dropped on a charge that was a total mistake by the court - and it ended up costing him $6,000 and a bunch of stress and time. Yet the Obama administration is doing nothing to prosecute any of the Bu*h adminsitration criminals that violated the public trust and whose crimes are clear and easily provable.

WTF?
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 07:17 PM
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120. Obama's first job out of college was with a CIA front company
Business International Corp.

Unless Obama has a John Perkins-like epiphany (Confessions of An Economic Hit Man) Obama will be a one-term President, and with little to show for an historic legacy to boot.

See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_International_Corporation#Barack_Obama
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 09:17 PM
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128. Wow
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MissDeeds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 05:03 PM
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99. This is what I expected all along
The pass that these criminals are getting for their crimes should make everyone scream WTH?!!! But no. They let it slide and the whole horrific chapter in our history goes into the history books without hearings, trials, accountability. I am so sick of this lame-assed excuse for justice.

:mad:
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wroberts189 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 05:03 PM
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100. They impeached Clinton for perjury. How is it pubs get all these free" get out of jail cards"?
knr
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Independent_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 05:08 PM
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102. For those not entirely surprised, I'm not either.
He won't do his job unless people truly raise hell and put him under extreme amounts of pressure. That's the way Washington officials work.
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 05:09 PM
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103. Now there's a shocker. I'm shocked I tell you! Shocked!!!!!!!!!! Now when
others testify before Congress why should they tell the truth?
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waiting for hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 05:18 PM
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109. I'd like to reprint something that I saw
elsewhere -

And now comes Obama throwing the liberal wing to the side knowing full well that we brought him to this dance and pretty damn sure that we will wait in the car until he needs a ride home.


Kudos to ik - thank you. Sad thing is, in 2012, many Dem voters will do the same thing all over again, and will be expecting a different result. Until money is taken out of politics, it will never change.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 05:19 PM
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110. I am getting skeptical about the "change" I volunteered to get elected
this is really discouraging.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 06:05 PM
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112. It's what we expected of Holder.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 06:25 PM
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115. Keeping his powder dry for the torture prosecutions
No doubt.
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 06:37 PM
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118. You can get away with huge criminal offenses, but dont dare get
caught smoking a joint. I really hate this kind of shit.
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bkozumplik Donating Member (391 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 07:40 PM
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121. Chappelle's skit looks more like reality every day
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 08:22 PM
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123. What have I learned from this?
I have learned that voting is a sham. Votes are either literally stolen or disregarded. I have a cousin who has said for years now that voting is useless. I think he is right. :(
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unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 08:22 PM
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124. why was President Clinton impeached....
....if sworn testimony doesn't matter?
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 12:34 AM
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134. Sworn testimony matters -- as long as it's not a Republican
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 09:11 PM
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126. Perjury Schmurgery
Hey didnt someone get impeached for perjury recently? Must have been a Democrat since IOKIYAAR!
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badgervan Donating Member (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 11:36 PM
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133. C'mon, Holder....
... do your damn job!!!!! If all these scumbags go scott free, what's to stop the next batch of criminal wingnuts? I think we're seeing the answer to that right now.
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Grinchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 03:06 AM
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136. All hail the almighty DLC
May they feast on Gmo Corn Dogs, made with Cloned meats fed with GMO feedstock, and deep fat fried in 90% transfat with a dose of Lipitor to keep them alive afterward.

A perfect soire for this Clinton Hillbilly Hoedown.

Where is the line in the sand? Where is the conscious of the Corporate toadlickers?

Do they think they have everything fully worked out? Is another 9/11 waiting in the wings to distract us?



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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 06:05 AM
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137. What?? Is NOBODY defending poor Mr. Holder? Where are all the chess players?
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Joe Bacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 06:27 AM
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138. IOKIYAR Holder covers up for his Republican pals
Once again, Republicans are above the law. Anything they do is OK. The law only applies to Democrats.
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Independent_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 11:26 AM
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140. I actually call it IOKIYAN.
It's okay if you're a Nazi. These aren't real Republicans. I call them what they are: Nazis, fascists, etc. You name it.
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plantwomyn Donating Member (779 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 11:57 AM
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141. The scary thing here is
who are the people he did hire and are they now protected by the civil service tenure? This one man is gone. The sleeper cell he hired is still in the Justice Dept.
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 01:14 PM
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142. Hmmmm......A society without laws!!! What a message to send!
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