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RamboLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 01:44 PM Original message |
Hate crimes against blacks, religious groups rise |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 01:44 PM Response to Original message |
1. It's liks a slow motion version of what happened in Rwanda... |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 01:55 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. A 2% increase, directed at multiple groups is hardly the same thing as a planned genocide |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 01:59 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Did you read the "slow motion" part of my sentence? |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 02:15 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Slow motion genocide would require |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 02:39 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. If Beck, Palin and Limbaugh get their way, you'd have one |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 02:43 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. You basing your predictions for the US |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 02:55 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. Dismiss them at your peril |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 04:17 PM Response to Reply #8 |
13. The three of them have a much larger fan base than Linsey Lohan does. |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 05:01 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. And no correlation has been shown between listening to glenn beck |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 05:18 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. And there never will be a correlation that would satisfy you. |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 05:23 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. So who's inspiring all the black and latino folks to hate on each other? |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-24-09 12:23 AM Response to Reply #20 |
48. there is a lot of hispanic on black hate crime |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 05:58 PM Response to Reply #18 |
31. Failing to attribute things to him that cannot be proven |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-24-09 08:19 PM Response to Reply #31 |
51. It's not about proof - it's about reasonable extrapolation. |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-25-09 01:48 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. You made a statement of fact, based on nothing |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 05:25 PM Response to Reply #8 |
21. Palin inspires the Muslims in Sweden to attack the Swedes in Malmo. After all, she can almost see it |
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Dreamer Tatum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 06:37 PM Response to Reply #8 |
37. I like your style, Dude. nt |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-24-09 12:21 AM Response to Reply #6 |
47. do you REALLY believe that? |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-24-09 12:20 AM Response to Reply #3 |
46. it's kind of like saying |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-24-09 12:19 AM Response to Reply #1 |
45. oh yea JUST like rwanda |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 09:09 AM Response to Reply #1 |
54. Awful as it is, I doubt it |
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beyond cynical (150 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 02:26 PM Response to Original message |
5. Do black people really commit that many hate crimes? |
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MadMaddie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 02:42 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. These statistics prove what I thought |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 02:46 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. Huh? |
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MadMaddie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 05:42 PM Response to Reply #10 |
27. How are you reading the statistic? |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 06:00 PM Response to Reply #27 |
32. You said: |
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MadMaddie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 06:07 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. Well it did say that since 2008 the incidents have increased |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 06:16 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. What changes indeed |
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Igel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 11:41 PM Response to Reply #33 |
42. But you'd have to see exactly what changed. |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 02:45 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. Seems a white person is statistically less likely |
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chollybocker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 04:24 PM Response to Reply #9 |
14. Huh? |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 05:00 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. I did |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 05:20 PM Response to Reply #5 |
19. Black on brown hate crime is big. Most black on white crime isn't labelled hate crime. |
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superconnected (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 06:33 PM Response to Reply #5 |
36. I read the statistics as the majority of crimes were against the blacks. |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 10:30 PM Response to Reply #36 |
40. See that's where the whole thing goes to hell. You left out "hate" before "crimes". |
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Igel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 11:45 PM Response to Reply #36 |
44. They aren't mutually exclusive assertions. |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-24-09 12:25 AM Response to Reply #5 |
49. you just established that they do commit a disproportionate amount |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 04:12 PM Response to Original message |
12. This is what the Hate Radio jocks and Palin have wrought. |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 05:18 PM Response to Reply #12 |
17. Horsecrap. This is the unintended consequence or deliberate illusion of hate crimes reporting. |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 05:33 PM Response to Reply #17 |
22. ...says a straight white guy. nt |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 05:37 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. No, says a gay white guy. But since you are so smart, why don't you tell the class what these stats |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 05:43 PM Response to Reply #23 |
29. If your argument is against THESE stats, state your case. |
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musicblind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-24-09 11:21 PM Response to Reply #29 |
52. That is clearly NOT at all what he said. But nice strawman |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 06:18 PM Response to Reply #22 |
35. If the argument is over legal definitions |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 05:38 PM Response to Original message |
24. Hate crimes based on religion eh? Yet one can find hate of religion plenty on some liberal sites |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 05:41 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. yeah its exactly the same thing to state your religion is bigoted to setting a synagogue on fire |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-24-09 12:43 AM Response to Reply #24 |
50. Hatred of religion isn't hatred of followers. You're not persecuted. |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 05:38 PM Response to Original message |
25. I wonder if the incidents around Prop 8, the Mormons, and the Tongans were reported as hate crimes. |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 05:42 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. i just read hate crimes against gays and jewish people have risen in ca. |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 10:21 PM Response to Reply #28 |
39. Too many variables. |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 11:44 PM Response to Reply #39 |
43. the idea of intent isnt contrived & random hate is a form of intent |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 05:56 PM Response to Original message |
30. The fact that two thirds of the religious ones are against Jews are surprising |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 10:00 PM Response to Reply #30 |
38. It shouldn't be surprising. |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 10:33 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. They probably figure it's the Jews' fault the Muslims hate America. |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 09:10 AM Response to Original message |
55. Horrible |
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