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notesdev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 04:41 PM
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UK climate scientist to temporarily step down
Source: AP

LONDON — Britain's University of East Anglia says the director of its prestigious Climatic Research Unit is stepping down pending an investigation into allegations that he overstated the case for man-made climate change.

The university says Phil Jones will relinquish his position until the completion of an independent review into allegations that he worked to alter the way in which global temperature data was presented.

The allegations were made after more than a decade of correspondence between leading British and U.S. scientists were posted to the Web following the security breach last month.

The e-mails were seized upon by some skeptics of man-made climate change as proof that scientists are manipulating the data about its extent.

Read more: http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5j_dt9Bjj5yVV7k1PAyDnVHKvKtgAD9CAM0VG0
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 04:43 PM
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1. This is so much like ACORN
and appears like a witchhunt to me.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 04:53 PM
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2. I welcome an investigation.
But, I bet, if he were exonerated, there will be people who will not believe it - just watch.
Prediction here.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 05:14 PM
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3. Guess he's packing his hair dryer to go melt some more polar ice!:
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NecklyTyler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 06:52 PM
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4. So the deniers are carving a notch in their gun tonight
This won't stop with Dr. Jones. The right wing deniers smell blood in the water and are out to ruin the reputation of as many good scientists as they can. Mr. 'no college degree' Watts is probably drinking out of two glasses right now
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unabelladonna Donating Member (483 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 07:38 PM
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5. isn't it possible he cooked the books?
and i don't understand why if i don't agree with the manmade aspects of global warming it makes me any less of a progressive. i've noticed how skeptics are treated in this forum. why is it a progressive vs. conservative issue? please explain how this has been politicized.
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Kingofalldems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 07:44 PM
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6. Politicized by the right. Please explain why Rush Limbaugh labels
scientists who warn of climate change as communists out to destroy America.
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unabelladonna Donating Member (483 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 08:03 PM
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8. he's an idiot?
Edited on Tue Dec-01-09 08:05 PM by unabelladonna
i have no idea why he can't rely on scientific evidence, but i've found both progressives and rightwingers very shrill. we can't do everything at one time. i'm more concerned with immediate solutions for poverty or the war or jobs. we've got to prioritize, and i'm not sure we have the answers or if we can even do anything about the climate. in my world it would be sunny and 75 deg everyday. even though i live in florida, i know it isn't possible.
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Viking12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 10:22 AM
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14. Poverty, war, jobs are not unrelated to energy and climate issues
Isolating them into boxes isn't going to produce progress in any of those areas.
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FarrenH Donating Member (485 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 07:56 PM
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7. Its possible
not probable, however, on the strength of what's been published.
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Birthmark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 04:14 AM
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11. Nope.
1. There would be no reason, what with the warming actually occurring and all
2. Other climatologists using arrive at the same conclusions
3. Other scientists from other fields observe the effects of the warming

As a matter of fact, up until 2006 I was a skeptic. But I was a true skeptic. Once I looked at the actual scientific case for AGW, I was forced to conclude that the scientists were correct and adjusted my viewpoint accordingly.

The people you are talking about aren't skeptics. They are ignoring the overwhelming evidence. They are denialists. No amount of evidence is sufficient to convince them.

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Birthmark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 04:08 AM
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10. They'd better not make an actual notch...
...unless they have wood putty at hand to refill it. Better they just pencil sketch a notch in the unlikely event they have cause to put in a real notch. That way they'll be able to erase the sketch later and make believe later that nothing had ever happened. ;)
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Birthmark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 04:06 AM
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9. It's the honorable thing to do.
I expect that if Jones faces any real problem it will be due to personal issues rather than any scientific misconduct. In fact, I'd be astounded if any scientific wrongdoing occurred.

We will see.
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Steerpike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 04:55 AM
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12. Another event that muddies the waters.
Global climate change is a fact. The world is warming. And like the man said, "This is going to be one big shit sandwich...and we are all gonna have to take a bite."
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 09:08 AM
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13. The Witch Hunt is off to a good start
I wonder how many real scientists will be run out of their jobs by Fox "News"
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JonQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 02:27 PM
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16. Kind of the opposite of a witchhunt
In that the rational folks at the bottom are intensely interested in the goings on of the irrational and superstitious folks at the top of the situation.

And from what I've read very few could be called "real scientists" with a straight face.

Also, foxnews is not the biggest proponent of this by far, in fact most MSM sources have largely ignored what should be the biggest story of the year.
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JonQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 11:04 AM
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15. Good
probably the right thing to do in this scenario.
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