Nelson Abortion Amendment Fails

[kpete]

Source: Talking Points Memo

Nelson Abortion Amendment Fails
David Kurtz | December 8, 2009, 5:34PM

The Senate just voted to table Sen. Ben Nelson's abortion amendment to the health care bill, effectively killing it and forcing Nelson to put up or shut up on his threat to filibuster the bill if the restrictions on abortion coverage were not included.


Read more: http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2009/12/nelson_abortion_amendment_fails.php?ref=fpblg

[myrna minx]

1. Excellent. K&R n/t

[LisaM]

2. This is great news

Go away, Senator Nelson.

[Bleacher Creature]

3. Good. I can't stand anti-choice Republicans.

Oh wait -- nevermind . . .

;)

[RKP5637]

4. Good!!! n/t

[tridim]

5. Shit's getting done. Keep up the great work Dems!

[saracat]

8. you're kidding right? You forget Nelson is a Dem and still has the potential to filibuster?

The PO is publicly being discussed as "dropped" and you say great job? The Nelson Bill was an abomination for sure but it likely was an excuse to get rid of the PO. There is nothing good about this whole scenario.

[tridim]

20. The PO being discussed is much better than the old opt-out/triggered PO.

No I'm not kidding, they're getting shit done.

[saracat]

37. Okey Dokey then. You keep on keeping on.

[Left Coast2020]

59. Well they may be getting shit done, but why is MSNBC

doing stories that indicate the damn bill is watered down? I see Senators like Sherrod Brown, or my Senator Boxer say (on Ed Show) saying we'll have a strong Public-Op, but I don't know who to believe at this point. Now they want to have this buy-in to Medicare for those 55-plus. So what about those of us under 55? I'll tell ya, the Nelsons, Lincolns, and Baucus' of the Senate are determined to "F" this up for us. And yes I Include that POS Lie-berman.

[waterscalm]

29. abc news just said the Public option was being substituded by

other proposals. :puke:

[Aleric]

77. Uh, yeah

You got that right - *shit* is getting done. The public option is dead. The insurance lobby is laughing so hard its wetting itself and Lieberman has proved that he and the rest of the Republicans have more power than Reid. Reid needs to be fired and Lieberman stripped of his chairmanships.

Democrats = useless.

[saracat]

6. Thank god, but I guess if there is not going to be a PO anyway,

he didn't have much of an argument left!

[damntexdem]

7. In a word: good.

Now keep Nelson's feet to the fire.

[LaPera]

17. HOW?

Very easy to say...but what would YOU do?

[pleah]

9. K&R Great news!

:applause: :applause: :woohoo: :applause: :applause:

[Soylent Brice]

10. K&R

[xxqqqzme]

11. To hell Nelson

If Healthcare completely crumbles, which as it stands now, it appears it will, Nelson should be loudly and frequently blamed for it. That should insure his exit from the senate floor - is he 'up' in '10?

[mascarax]

24. No - he's 'up' in '12

He's gotta go.

Blanche Lincoln is up in '10 though...

[joeglow3]

47. Yeah. Great idea (sarcasm)

That way, the tool sheds here can elect their hardcore Republican (i.e. Ricketts). Be VERY careful of what you wish for.

[wordpix]

58. these dinos should know other Dems are not supporting them when their terms are "up"

if they want to filibuster or not vote for the public option, don't count on our vote OR our campaign contributions.

[JDPriestly]

50. Women of childbearing age will not be offered a public option,

therefore Nelson's amendment is irrelevant. On the other hand, those 55 and up who do not have other insurance will be able to choose to pay for their Medicare coverage early and be covered by Medicare.

Women over 55 do not have abortions although (while in the hospital for another reason) I met a woman who was 51 or so who was having an abortion.

[Sgent]

56. Landreau and Lincoln

would be replaced with Vitter's and Shelby's, not progressives. I agree they are hard to take sometimes, but they're better than all available options.

Lieberman and Snowe is where we need to concentrate firepower.

[wordpix]

60. Lieberman is finally getting some heat in CT

The media are making sure everyone knows about his former campaign manager's TV ad. :evilgrin:

CT has some great progressives to replace Lieberman and I'll be working for one of the former.

[femrap]

12. k and r

someone must have tied nelson's dick in a knot!

[Ocracoker16]

13. Excellent

Senator Nelson keep your hands off of my ovaries.

[jacobfloyd]

14. Nice!! K & R

[Solly Mack]

15. k/r

good

[David Zephyr]

16. Yes! Yes! Yes! Finally. Democrats say no to theocracy.

I can't fucking believe it. I am actually overjoyed.

And thank goodness for my Senator Barbara Boxer and all the brave Democrats for standing up for the rights and liberties of women and girls all across this land.

:bounce:

[liberation]

18. So the anti-abortion amendment got aborted...

... in the parlance of our times.

[JDPriestly]

54. No, it got seniored out.

Or more precisely, it went through menopause.

[liberation]

91. I dunno...

... it didn't seem to have made it to term

;-P

[BumRushDaShow]

19. K&R

:applause:
:kick:

[still_one]

21. The vote was 54 - 45. Were there any republicans who voted against it?

I would hope at least Collins and Snowe voted against it

[Stuart G]

92. Here are those who were for this awful ammendment and against tabling it

NAYs ---45
Alexander (R-TN)
Barrasso (R-WY)
Bayh (D-IN)
Bennett (R-UT)
Bond (R-MO)
Brownback (R-KS)
Bunning (R-KY)
Burr (R-NC)
Casey (D-PA)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Coburn (R-OK)
Cochran (R-MS)
Conrad (D-ND)
Corker (R-TN)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Crapo (R-ID)
DeMint (R-SC)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Ensign (R-NV)
Enzi (R-WY)
Graham (R-SC)
Grassley (R-IA)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hatch (R-UT)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Isakson (R-GA)
Johanns (R-NE)
Kaufman (D-DE)
Kyl (R-AZ)
LeMieux (R-FL)
Lugar (R-IN)
McCain (R-AZ)
McConnell (R-KY)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Nelson (D-NE)
Pryor (D-AR)
Risch (R-ID)
Roberts (R-KS)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Thune (R-SD)
Vitter (R-LA)
Voinovich (R-OH)
Wicker (R-MS)

[xchrom]

22. recommend. -- good. nt

[loyalkydem]

23. Excellent

Good News

[waterscalm]

25. Boxer Moves to Table Nelson’s Abortion Amendment (Update: Motion Tabled)

Boxer Moves to Table Nelson’s Abortion Amendment (Update: Motion Tabled)
Boxer Moves to Table Nelson’s Abortion Amendment (Update: Motion Tabled)
By: David Dayen Tuesday December 8, 2009 2:25 pm



Barbara Boxer has just offered a motion to table the Nelson amendment that would restrict abortion coverage access. Rather than requiring a 60-vote threshold or subject to a cloture vote, tabling the amendment needs an up or down vote to succeed. Tabling an amendment essentially kills it. Boxer obviously feels confident that she has 51 votes to table.

Voting is happening now.

…Blanche Lincoln voted to table. Everything else is as expected, for now.

…Kent Conrad just voted no on tabling the amendment. So did Byron Dorgan. There’s not a huge margin for error here.

…Mary Landrieu and Mark Begich just voted to table. As did Tim Johnson of South Dakota.

…Jon Tester votes aye. I’m really only mentioning the votes that are in any way in doubt.

…Evan Bayh votes no. That’s four Democratic no votes, by my count (add Ben Nelson)… oh, and Bob Casey, so that’s five.

…Susan Collins votes aye, and you would have to expect Olympia Snowe to follow suit. I think tabling is likely to pass, at this point.

…Joe Lieberman votes aye, along with Olympia Snowe, to table the Nelson amendment.

…Interesting to see the contrasts between the House and Senate. Over 55% of the House voted for the Stupak amendment, But I think we’ll get 56 or 57% of the Senate in the other direction. That’s a function of needing a larger fundraising base, and also a certain fellow in charge of the D-Trip named Rahm Emanuel.

So the Nelson amendment has been tabled by a vote of 54-45. Waiting on a roll call. I’m missing a couple Democrats who voted against tabling.

So the question becomes, what now?
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[waterscalm]

27. Sen Boxer is my Hero today.

[vanlassie]

57. She is always a hero.

[Delphinus]

The question also is,

why did those five Dems vote against tabling?

[Alcibiades]

They are anti-abortion

Insanely so.

[SeattleGirl]

26. Yes!

:applause:

[racaulk]

28. Fan-damn-tastic!

Most excellent news!

K&R

[waterscalm]

30. Nelson: Failure Of My Abortion Amendment Makes It Harder For Me To Support Health Care Bill

all is quiet ==for now.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/12/nelson-failure-of-my-abortion-amendment-makes-it-harder-for-me-to-support-health-care-bill.php?ref=fpa

Nelson: Failure Of My Abortion Amendment Makes It Harder For Me To Support Health Care Bill
Brian Beutler | December 8, 2009, 6:16PM


After his abortion amendment did not win the day on the Senate floor, Sen. Ben Nelson (D-NE) did not come out swinging. Though he insisted that the failure of his abortion amendment "makes it harder to be supportive" of Senate health care bill, he did not reiterate his pledge to filibuster the bill.

"We'll just have to see what develops," Nelson told reporters. "I have no plan B."

[laughingliberal]

36. Oh boo fucking hoo nt

[waterscalm]

84. its dead for now but who knows what will happen in

conference.

[Bitwit1234]

31. I wish someone would kick his butt back to NE and

he has to stay there. He even looks like a republican, how could anybody vote for him and think he was a democrat. Guess he is worried that the Health Insurance money he has been pocketing will dry up. But he looks like he is dried up...since a person has to be so old to get elected how come they don't kick these OLD MEN AND WOMEN out at a certain age. They sit on their a** in congress for so long they think they own it. And forget they were elected to serve the public and what the public wants. Not what their so called conscience dictates. And damn it I can call him old and not be discriminating against him because I am 77 years old. You can't discriminate against a person if you are of the same group.

[rasputin1952]

32. K&R

:kick:

[perdita9]

33. Nelson goes down in flames!

Many thanks to the 54 Senators who voted against restricting
women's access to a legal medical procedure.

[laughingliberal]

34. About effing time he went down in flames over something

Let's hope it's a trend.

[renate]

40. welcome to DU!

:hi:

[rasputin1952]

80. Welcome to DU...

:hi:

[laughingliberal]

35. Finally! About time the 'left' didn't get pounded by a DINO

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[bluestateguy]

38. I think the Hyde Amendment is fine. No more, no less.

Once the government gives you a voucher to buy insurance, it should not be for government to meddle in what kind of health services are available to buyers on the exchange. A dangerous precedent would be set.

I'm glad his amendment failed.

[Hawaii Hiker]

39. did anyone see the roll call vote for this amendment

Thanks to the 54 who voted against that awful amendment, :woohoo: :woohoo:

[Bette Noir]

41. Good.

There's a limit.

[DonCoquixote]

42. Cautiously Optimistic

Perhaps the Congress realizes that even if Obama is giving the right a lot of ground, that WE will not allow them to, nor will we forget who really pushed the Democrats away from the right.

I do not excuse the fact that Obama should have used his bully pulpit a bit better, but there is one good thing that will come out of his style; the DINOS that have infected congress can no longer pretend that they are just the Hostages who would give us the moon, but cannot because of those Mean Ole GOP guys that get the Oval Office. Regardless of what happens, the nation is now much more aware that Congress is in control, and THAT is where the pressure needs to be placed. A few Third Party people in Congress will do much much more than Nader or Kucinich ever could, just ask Bernie sanders (on the positive side) or Joe Lieberman (on the negative side), both these two are having more effect than many.

Of course, we could blow it by letting Palin in 2012, or, as if more likely, whoever Palin will provide cover for (example : see, we voted for Romney, he is not as bad as Palin!) As disappointing as Obama's first year has been, a GOP member can and will make things worse, as no matter who or what the GOP puts on the TV, we all know that a GOP victory in 2012 is the THIRD time Dick Cheney will be the puppetmaster in the Oval Office. Call me a Yellow Dog Democrat is you want, but Dick Cheney will be a threat until the day he dies. Even if he was sent off to the Hague, he would still be a threat.

[varelse]

43. forensic evidence suggesting spinal growth?

:party:

[Iris]

44. I love the Senate!

today, anyway.

[defendandprotect]

45. Did Reid make a deal with him -- letting the pharmaceutical CARTEL go on????

Is the abortion stuff simply blackmail by DINO's to get concessions

on health care?

[MiniMe]

46. Just heard that Reid and the dems have come up with a deal, no public option

And the dems will vote for it. It just broke on MSNBC, so I have no idea what's in it, but I suspect that it is very little reform.

[wordpix]

61. oh gawd, these dems fold so easily

[humbled_opinion]

66. Don't You Get It?

If this bill has no public option and we are being forced under penalty of law to make the Insurance corporations Rich beyond measure because all 40 million or so uninsured will now be FORCED.... thats right I said it FORCED through penalty of law to purchase insurance. Every piece of legislation I looked at starts subsidizing under 40K and works downward on a curve.

Every Insurance Comp has also stated they will UP the COSTS because they will be FORCED to cover pre-exisiting conditions.

Every Employer is only required to cover a portion 72 percent of the costs. Heck even some employers give 100 percent now but they won't when this is law.

THIS IS A TRAVESTY. Government is mandating under penalty of law that the PEOPLE must purchase something. I am lost how this is even remotely Progressive let alone Liberal?

Clue me in.

I thought Medicare for all, Single Payer remimbursed at medicare rates was the only real option. So we fight for something that hurts the people? I don't get it? Is this ego driven?

[underpants]

48. Good

[d3m0l1sh3r]

49. Interesting

[JerseygirlCT]

51. Great news. Hope he's feeling every bit as rejected as

he should be feeling.

[AlphaCentauri]

52. I see, is more important a paid abortion that a public option

give me a break

[mdmc]

53. There is a God

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

55. How did Bob Casey vote?

Just curious...

[and-justice-for-all]

62. Thank the FSM!!! nt

[Odin2005]

63. KICK

[Rosa Luxemburg]

64. Nelson should be replaced

[JNelson6563]

65. Bravo!!

:applause:

[truthrocks]

67. YES!

[polichick]

68. Great news!! nt

[New Dawn]

69. Ben Nelson is just like any other Republican.

[dhill926]

70. good.........n/t

[OhioBlue]

71. very great news!!!! n/t

[girl_interrupted]

73. Good! I want to thank my Senator Gillibrand too

Enough with throwing women under the bus.

[graywarrior]

72. Yay!

[Moochy]

74. Great to see that amendment get tabled!

[D23MIURG23]

75. Horray!

[waiting for hope]

76. Thank Gawd ...

I hope Nelson got served a very big crow.

[pinto]

78. Late update: from TPM

Late Update: Interestingly, Nelson was conciliatory after the vote, declining to reiterate his filibuster threat. Could it be that Nelson much prefers being "in play"?

[Hubert Flottz]

79. Ben Nelson's mother should have had an abortion that worked.

Edit...There's another bumper sticker idea!

[Vidar]

81. Good.

[Mad_Dem_X]

82. Good news! n/t

[RedCloud]

83. Now off with his head, lest more such nonsense be heaped upon us.

[olegramps]

85. I see this as a defeat of the Christian Taliban.

[Deep13]

86. another item of trash dragged to the curb. nt

[Hepburn]

87. Gee, too bad...I had tons of these to hand out...

:sarcasm:

[Javaman]

88. I will reserve my glee until I see the final bill.

nelsons amendment was destined to fail. No surprise there. And I'm waiting to see if asshole nelson filibusters as he promised. I don't think he will, like most DINO's he's all talk and no action.

However, we have yet to hear the details of this "double top secret" agreement that was reached by the gang of 10.

The devil is in the details folks. Don't go celebrating just yet.

[TankLV]

89. Best news in a LONG time - KICK THESE FUCKING CONSERVADEMS/DINOS OUT!!!!

Having them in the party is just like giving control over to the repukes anyway...

[Frank Cannon]

90. Well, as another Nelson would say...

[Hekate]

93. Good. We still have to live with the already-extant Hyde Amendment, but this was equivalent to...

... Global Gag Order.

Hekate

[louslobbs]

94. Just another Old Bag (from either party)

trying to run this country into the ground. We need the next generation to step up and fast. These old prunes have proven time and time again (through their failures and bad judgment)that their time has come. Look like a fossil, think like a fossil. Just try to take away a woman's right to choose.....even trying to use tactics to slip something through the back door won't work. Like any woman wants an old anal wart like Nelson deciding for them what they can or cannot do with their bodies. It's time to spread those wrinkled old cheeks and remove the warts.
LouSlobbs