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BolivarianHero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 01:46 PM
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Most Americans SUPPORT Legalizing Marijuana
Source: Angus-Reid Global Monitor

Many adults in the United States are willing to legalize marijuana, according to a poll by Angus Reid Public Opinion. 53 per cent of respondents support this notion, while 43 per cent are opposed.

Less than 10 per cent of respondents support the legalization of other drugs, such as ecstasy, powder cocaine, heroin, methamphetamine or "crystal meth" and crack cocaine.

Read more: http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/view/34651/most_americans_support_legalizing_marijuana



Reading the internals, 43% of Republicans support legalization, which I believe is similar to the proportion of Republicans who don't believe in the birther conspiracy.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 01:50 PM
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1. Ahh yes, we celebrate the support of legalizing a DU god. Who would have thunk it? n/t
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Fly by night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 02:04 PM
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5. You are getting close to your personal goal to "know everything about nothing".
Edited on Thu Dec-10-09 02:04 PM by Fly by night
Perhaps you should read some of the science-oriented threads about medical cannabis that have been posted here in the past year. (Search on my handle and "medical cannabis" to find a few of them.)

Of course, that may interfere with your life's ambition. Would sure hate that.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 02:39 PM
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12. Well, although I live to not disappoint you I think I'll just force myself in this case.
Too bad, so sad. I'm just an atheist when it comes to one of DU's top deities.
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Fly by night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 06:46 PM
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34. It is certainly a topic of interest and considerable erudite discussion around here.
But, then, erudite discussion and research-based themes may not be your thing.

Thank the Goddess you are neither the US Department of Justce or the American Medical Association. But you could have played them until recently.

Take care. Stay stupid (or a "drug worrier".) It's a free country (or it plays one).
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 07:24 PM
Response to Reply #1
38. How about rational government and laws?
You got any dumbass comments about those?
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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 10:41 PM
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46. God?
Don't blaspheme. It's not God, it's a plant. Whether or not it comes from God is up for discussion, but its proven value is not up for discussion. In fact, such discussion was being stifled until recently.

As a long time medical marijuana patient, I can tell you that I am alive now because of marijuana. Your sneering attitude is offensive to me, and to any person who chooses this non-toxic herbal remedy over toxic, overpriced pharmaceuticals.

Your wish to deny thousands of terminally and chronically ill patients a valuable asset in their therapy is depraved.

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Goldstein1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 11:12 PM
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47. Nobody should be denied use of marijuana
Tobacco is legal.
Alcohol is legal.
Pharmaceuticals with terrible side effects are legal.

Certainly medical patients who get relief from medical marijuana deserve that. But marijuana is a plant that grows like a week. How can Big Business make any money off of something that anyone can grow in a planter or a garden?

Personal use of marijuana is nobodies business, unless you're one of thousands in prison for this victimless crime.
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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 11:51 PM
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49. You got that right.
I don't think that any plant should be outlawed, especially one that is essentially (with a few exceptions) harmless. In fact, I think it's good medicine for the majority of people, especially when replacing something like alcohol. Vaporizing is gaining in popularity among patients here in Oregon, to avoid the harmful effects of smoking.

I hate it when people like the above poster take this attitude that it's all one big liberal crazy hippie moonbat thing. Does he make fun of patients who use morphine?
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Goldstein1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 12:03 AM
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50. I've hung around tolkers, and I've hung around with drinkers...
and the tolkers were a lot more fun and interesting than the drinkers.

I'm in a job where employees are subject to hair testing for drugs. The hair test goes back three months. We turn perfectly good craftsman and outstanding people away routinely for something that has nothing to do with the work they do.

THAT'S the crime.
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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 12:17 AM
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52. I was always lucky enough not to be subject
to testing. I started freelancing around the time that it became common for many companies to drug test.

The idea of giving up my bodily fluids (or hair for that matter) for testing is repugnant to me and I'm glad I don't have to worry about it any more!
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Goldstein1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 12:30 AM
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54. I'm "management", so the rules don't apply to me either, but
I still find it offensive that good people are being persecuted for nothing.

For all of the other disappointments, Obama at least took a little heat off of the medical marijuana users.

A few ounces for personal use is protected in Alaska under the privacy provisions of the Alaska Constitution. Still too many Conservatives in the state to make it completely legal, and it would still be illegal under federal law if there were.

We have a long way to go.
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hollowdweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 08:33 AM
Response to Reply #50
59. Your post reminds me of a great old song
By Nick Gravenites

As I drove down on 65, I was cruisin' down that old grapevine
Well, I must have been doin' at least about 95
Well out there on the side of the road all broke down and
Who do you think was standin' around
But the greatest country singer alive!

I'll fix your flat tire Merle
Don't ya get your sweet country pickin' fingers all covered with erl
Cause you're a honky, I know, but Merle you got soul
And I'll fix your flat tire Merle

Well I hear you had an adventurous youth, makin' love in a telephone booth
And I even hear you did a little stretch in jail
But now you got a big ranch house with a bar
And eight, nine, ten of them fancy cars
And every other little check comin' in the mail

I'll fix your flat tire Merle
Don't ya get your sweet country pickin' fingers all covered with erl
Cause you're a honky, I know, but Merle you got soul
And I'll fix your flat tire Merle

Now I heard all them records ya did, makin' fun of us long haired kids
And now ya know we don't care what ya think... Merle,
If you're gonna call the world your home
Ya know you're gonna have to get out and get stoned
An' it's better with a joint than with a drink, I think


So I'll fix your flat tire Merle
Don't ya get your sweet country pickin' fingers all covered with erl
Cause you're a honky, I know, but Merle you got soul
And I'll fix your flat tire Merle
So I'll fix your flat tire Merle
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Goldstein1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 11:32 PM
Response to Reply #59
74. That's not the music I remember, but
good lyrics.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 12:06 AM
Response to Reply #1
51. huh? DU has a god? why was i not informed of this development?
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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 04:49 PM
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73. well, gun owners havter defend dem dare guns and pot smokers havter defend them der pot.
I expect it. Guess who the outspoken people for this are - pot heads! Rofl rofl. I'm just glad I'm not one. :)
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-12-09 04:51 AM
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81. and your post contributes what to the discussion?
Edited on Sat Dec-12-09 04:52 AM by ima_sinnic
do you always make a point of posting in threads that don't really interest you except to say you find the topic not of interest? I have to assume you're also one who posted hatefully about Steve Irwin after he was killed by a stingray--that's just the kind of "person" you project--someone who constantly has to make the point that s/he is free to be negative and contrary no matter what.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 01:50 PM
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2. Me too...
...though I have to keep it quite because I work for a rural DA's office. I have to prosecute for marijuana charges because the legislature makes the laws, not the ADA.
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sharp_stick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 01:52 PM
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3. Hell, I'd settle for decriminalizing the stuff
There is no way that smoking a joint should be a felony. We could save a fortune in the legal world by turning possession into a misdemeanor and a fine.
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reggie the dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 03:33 PM
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15. smoking a joint is not a felony
at worst it is a misdemeanor. Nevada was the last state where a joint was a felony, now it is decriminalized. You can still go to jail, go through booking and all the like where it is a misdemeanor. It should be as legal as tomatoes.
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pattmarty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 03:38 PM
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17. Take a look at Norml's site and there are a lot of states that.................
...............still fuck you pretty good for small amount possession. Where I live (Ar), ALL the MJ laws are felonies EXCEPT for 1st time possession of an oz or less. We still have a long way to go.
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 04:46 PM
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20. Yes it is, in many states weed is still a felony.
Arizona being one of them.

Educate yourself.

http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=4516
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 05:50 PM
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24. i'd like to see a cite to
the SPECIFIC statute. not NORML's interpretation of same.

ime, NORML is about as prone to posting false or misleading info as some of the antidrug org's.

and i say that as somebody who strongly supports legalization

show me the statute, not NORML's "interpretation"
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 05:55 PM
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26. Here you go. Arizona's law saying MJ is a felony.
http://law.findlaw.com/state-laws/marijuana/arizona/

"Under 2 lb.: Class 6 felony; 2-4 lbs.: Class 5 felony; 4 lbs. and over: Class 4 felony; fine of not less than $750 or 3 times the value of the controlled substance, whichever is greater"

This site uses the official state code as a citation (you can find the link beneath the chart) and provides state codes for every single US state plus DC.

The official Arizona law is right here. It says the same thing.

http://www.azleg.state.az.us/ars/13/03405.htm

"B. A person who violates:

1. Subsection A, paragraph 1 of this section involving an amount of marijuana not possessed for sale having a weight of less than two pounds is guilty of a class 6 felony."


And that's just possession of less than two pounds.
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 06:02 PM
Response to Reply #26
28. thank you
that's simply astounding. but i stand educated.

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JonLP24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 12:36 AM
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55. I live here
Edited on Fri Dec-11-09 12:40 AM by JonLP24
I can tell you what I know. Under 2 pounds for a first time offense(with plea deal) is a Class 1 misdemeanor(closest thing to a felony). However if you mess up during unsupervised probation or fail to pay your fine to the DEA then it becomes a felony. I'm not speaking from personal experience but I have personally known many that went through this cycle.
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pattmarty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 03:33 PM
Response to Reply #3
16. Yeah, but what about all the private prisons we have to "stock"?
:sarcasm:
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 05:37 PM
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21. Yeah, but what about all the private prisons we have to "stock"?
Well, there's the Bush family....and the Chenney's.....
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 05:48 PM
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23. lol. it's not a felony in any jurisdiction i am aware of.
where are you referring to?

it's a misdemeanor to possess (small amounts) in most places, and a civil infraction (iow decrim'd) in some
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 05:56 PM
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27. Well now you are aware of the state of Arizona, and its laws.
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 06:03 PM
Response to Reply #27
29. i am now. i stand corrected.
it's astounding to me, and ridiculous... but there you go. i was not aware it's a felony. that's simply insane
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 06:34 PM
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32. It's totally insane. And Arizona isn't the only state either.
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winyanstaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 01:59 PM
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4. and a while lot of jobs are waiting for it too.....
Factories could be opened..jobs could be created without taxpayers footing the bill. Taxes could be collected without raising current taxes.
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sharp_stick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 02:04 PM
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6. I'm still convinced
at least a little bit that the only reason pot is illegal is that it's to easy to grow it yourself.

Why buy the valium or bppze from the Government controlled liquor industry when you can grow your own handy little herb garden?
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winyanstaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 02:22 PM
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9. I am sure most would be happy to pay a small tax for the right to grow legally...
plus not everyone has a green thumb, the time or the space.
But I do see your point and that is probably how the government is thinking now.
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sharp_stick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 02:27 PM
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11. I had a friend in high school
That was death to all plant life, she couldn't keep a cactus alive.

Then she got ahold of some really nice seeds and went to the nearest head shop to buy every book she could get her hands on. She produced the most gorgeous plants I've ever seen. I think she could probably grow rare orchids now, I've never seen anyone take to "gardening" like that in my life.

:-)
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Mopar151 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 02:40 PM
Response to Reply #11
13. I know some guys who brew great beer
But Budwieser and Sam Adams seem to still do OK.
As I keep telling folks - the Puritan wannabees think legalisation will make us into slavering wretches in need of diapers. I beleive that the reality will be a lot more like wine. There may be a few stewbums, but most folks will do fine, and the quality issues will have more to do with boquet' and nuance than how bombed it will get you.
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pattmarty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 09:39 AM
Response to Reply #11
60. When it comes to "weed" there is a huge difference between..................
..........."gorgeous" and "potent". Fuck the "gorgeous" and give me the "potent"!!! Yes indeed, now you can get excellent herb that is home grown by "professionals" right here in the good ole USA!!!
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 02:11 PM
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7. drug dealers would be pushed out of the market if it were legalized and they
use their money to keep it illegal.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 02:15 PM
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8. And if the American Subject Populace had more power than the Chinsese Subject Populace, it might
mean something.

But we don't so it doesn't. The Corporate Rulers of America are against it, and I have no doubt it shall remain illegal for the forseeable future.
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 05:52 PM
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25. what rubbish
many states have citizen initiatives, and mj can be legalized/decrim by a mere majority vote of the people.

it came CLOSE in nevada, but has yet to happen.

sure, it's still schedule I federally, but until a state legalizes/decrim's it, we won't know the feds response

your post is ignorant of the democratic process.
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Fly by night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 06:56 PM
Response to Reply #25
35. The American Medical Association's decision last month ...
Edited on Thu Dec-10-09 06:57 PM by Fly by night
... to recommend that cannabis be re-scheduled out of Schedule 1 will make a HUGH difference in the rapid evolution of both state and federal medical cannabis programs, IMNSHO.

See this thread for a real blue-sky vision of where Tennessee might be in three years or less.
It is entitled "The $60 (medical cannabis) ounce -- a not-so-modest proposal".

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6889020
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 07:42 PM
Response to Reply #35
40. that sounds about right for the AMA
they are usually about 2-3 decades behind the current research.

so, that they are coming around now seems right :)

sooner or later, it will pass by initiative in some state.

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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 08:35 PM
Response to Reply #25
42. no, modern America is "ignorant" of the democratic process
I am speaking on a much higher plane than the mere machinations of politics,which grow evermore stultified and driven by anything BUT "the will of the people".

Actually, would that it were a matter of my ignorance of the democratic process rather than it's utter failure in the face of the new Inverted Totalitarianism as our REAL form of government, with but the tiniest, thinnest veneer as window-dressing.

But don't take my word for it, just hold your breath and wait for it - it's coming any minute now. :rofl:

(Google the term "Inverted Totalitarianism" for more on just what our form of government actually is, while camoflauging itself in the corpse of 'democratic process' - it's more than just 'government of, by and for the corporation', though thats a simplied start)
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 02:24 PM
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10. Most Definitely!
:smoke:
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 02:58 PM
Response to Original message
14. What the people want don't count anymore so...
just pay your taxes and raise your little boys and girls to grow up and go die defending the corporation's holdings abroad and shut up.
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RussBLib Donating Member (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 03:42 PM
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18. Ha! Since when does what a majority of Americans want matter?
The overwhelming majority of Americans wanted a Public Option...

A large majority of Americans want to get out of Iraq and Afghanistan...

I guess we (the majority) are the great unwashed masses, and you have to watch out for the tyranny of the majority, don'cha know?
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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 04:32 PM
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19. Most American's Supported Real Health Care Reform Too
and the wheels just keep on turning.
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 05:40 PM
Response to Reply #19
22. and the wheels just keep on turning.
falling off, you mean....
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 06:21 PM
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30. Most Americans understand that stoned losers are only a danger to full bags of Doritos
If one wants to be stoned then it should not be a crime. Too many things are crimes nowadays. Pot doesn't hurt much, especially compared to booze and meth. Some stoned losers even believe they can cure disease by getting stoned. Which is fine. Still not a crime.
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bamacrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 06:46 PM
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33. Why do you call people who smoke pot losers?
Many fully functioning successful people smoke pot. I did all through college and during my first job until I moved and had to stop to pass a drug test. That's a narrow minded approach to this, saying all stoners are losers does nothing but give the right wing and anti=pot people ammunition for their purpose. Sure some people smoke and get lazy and dont do anything with themselves, but then again many sober people do too. Hell even Obama used to smoke pot, he is far from a loser. That is a bad thing to label stoners. Very very few "stoners" think pot cures diseases but research has shown that it diminishes cancerous cell growth and helps with asthma as well as the side effects of AIDS and chemo.

List of "stoners" who are not losers"
Barack Obama
Richard Branson
Bill Maher
Michael Phelps
Michael Bloomberg
Jennifer Anniston
Louis Armstrong
Bill Clinton
Alanis Morissette
John Denver
Brad Pitt
Ted Turner
George Washington
Thomas Jefferson
Neil Young
John Lennon
Paul McCartney
Ringo Starr
George Harrison
Steven King
Montel Williams
Oliver Stone
Carl Sagan
Seth Rogen
Arnold Swarzenegger
Shakespeare
Art Garfunkel
Rick Steves
Aaron Sorkin

I could go on but just because you smoke doesnt make you a loser. You are a loser because you are a loser, not because you get high.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 12:47 PM
Response to Reply #33
65. he didn't say that all pot smokers are stoned losers...
but a LOT of them are.
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bamacrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-12-09 03:19 AM
Response to Reply #65
78. I disagree. Some are not alot I would say half or maybe less.
A lot would be a majority. If the logic that pot smokers are losers because they alter their consciousness with a substance then a lot of people who drink are losers. Its easy for those who dont know or understand weed to label those who do as losers. Its just easier than realizing that weed is no more detrimental to a persons functioning than alcohol and way less harmful.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-12-09 09:20 AM
Response to Reply #78
83. "a lot" does not mean a majority- 'most' means a majority.
and yes- a lot of people who drink are losers as well- but again, not 'most'.
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Leftist Agitator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 07:14 PM
Response to Reply #30
36. It's a good thing that I don't rant about how the Amish are losers...
Like how their refusal to use electricity is just dimwitted, and why it's madness to use an open buggy when cars exist, otherwise people would think I was an asshole.
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bamacrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-12-09 03:22 AM
Response to Reply #36
79. Love it. just love it .
Those who know not judge, those who know indulge.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 07:16 PM
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37. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 12:34 PM
Response to Reply #37
64. Post pulled, misread.
Edited on Fri Dec-11-09 12:36 PM by superconnected
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BakedAtAMileHigh Donating Member (900 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 07:37 PM
Response to Reply #30
39. Here's a loser for you
I smoke marijuana daily and I feel secure in saying I would never trade lives with you.

Here's some real science, from "Nature", Vol 3, Oct. 23 2003.
http://www.nature.com/nrc/journal/v3/n10/abs/nrc1188.html

Antitumour effects of cannabinoids

Department of Biochemistry
and Molecular Biology I,
School of Biology,
Complutense University,
28040 Madrid, Spain.

Inhibition of tumour-cell growth. The antiproliferative properties of cannabis compounds were first reported almost 30 years ago by Munson et al.29, who showed that THC inhibits lung-adenocarcinoma cell growth in vitro and after oral administration in mice. Although
these observations were promising, further studies in this area were not carried out until the late 1990s.

Several plant-derived (for example, THC and cannabidiol), synthetic (for example, WIN-55, 212-2 and HU-210) and endogenous cannabinoids (for example, anandamide and 2-arachidonoylglycerol) are now known to exert antiproliferative actions on a wide
spectrum of tumour cells in culture30 (TABLE 2). More importantly, cannabinoid administration to nude mice slows the growth of various tumour xenografts, including lung carcinomas, gliomas, thyroid epitheliomas, skin carcinomas and lymphomas. The requirement of
CB1 and/or CB2 receptors for this antitumour effect (TABLE 2) has been shown by various biochemical and pharmacological approaches, in particular by determining cannabinoid-receptor expression and by using selective cannabinoid-receptor agonists and antagonists.
(...)
To grow beyond minimal size, tumours must generate a new vascular supply (angiogenesis) for purposes of cell nutrition, gas exchange and waste disposal — therefore, blocking the angiogenic process constitutes one of the most promising antitumour approaches now available62. Immunohistochemical and functional analyses in mouse models of glioma63 and skin carcinoma61 have shown that administration of cannabinoids turns the vascular hyperplasia that is characteristic of actively growing tumours into a pattern of blood vessels that is characterized by small, differentiated and impermeable capillaries. This is associated with a reduced expression of vascular endothelial growth factor (VEGF) and other pro-angiogenic cytokines61,63,64, as well as of VEGF receptors (C. Blázquez and M.G., unpublished observations). In addition, activation of cannabinoid receptors in vascular endothelial cells inhibited cell migration and survival, which might contribute to impaired tumour vascularization63. Administration of cannabinoids to tumour-bearing mice also decreased the activity and expression of matrix metalloproteinase 2 — a proteolytic enzyme that allows tissue breakdown and remodelling during angiogenesis and metastasis63. This might explain at least in part why cannabinoid-induced inhibition of tumour metastasis was observed in mice injected with lung carcinoma cells."

Here is some more recent science, from the Seth Group (thesethgroup.org) ON VIDEO:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OqSRfzqwWA

IF YOU WILL ALLOW ME TO SUMMARIZE:
It seems that phyto-cannabinoids (the fun stuff) can mimic different endogenous (the kind you already have in you) cannabinoids, which serve as a type of homeostatic regulator for things like the immune system and cell growth. As you see in the video above and the rigorously peer reviewed study in "Nature", cannabinoids kill tumors by altering their ability to produce new vascular tissue, thus starving them to "death".

All right, that's all I'm good for right now. I have no patience with ignorance.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-12-09 01:19 AM
Response to Reply #39
76. Nicotine has benefits too.
Too bad the usual delivery systems for both is carcinogenic.
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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 12:31 PM
Response to Reply #30
63. If people want to smoke smth that makes them stupid, fine providing they aren't allowed to drive
Edited on Fri Dec-11-09 12:47 PM by superconnected
while using the substance.

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BakedAtAMileHigh Donating Member (900 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 03:14 PM
Response to Reply #63
70. a small piece of advice
It helps to use spellcheck when assuming a tone of intellectual superiority. Ask not who the "loser" may be....
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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 04:39 PM
Response to Reply #70
71. It doesn't take much intellectual superiority to make the correct statement I made.
It does take pettiness to come up with a counter that picks on spelling.

My message remains the same.
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Leftist Agitator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-12-09 12:43 AM
Response to Reply #71
75. And precisely what message is that?
That people who smoke marijuana are in your words "losers", yes?

Why don't you elaborate on your undoubtedly well-thought-out position?

Inquiring minds want to know!
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bamacrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-12-09 03:24 AM
Response to Reply #71
80. I would argue and quite well actually that alcohol makes you more stupid than weed.
Weed is more intellectual than the legal stuff out there. It causes you to look inward and analyze the world around you, not just want to kick its ass or fuck it. thats stupid.
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clixtox Donating Member (941 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 01:58 AM
Response to Reply #63
85. You are either ignorant or referring to alcohol! Cannabis doesn't make...

anybody stupid.

Certainly not anywhere near to the degree that tobacco does.

Both of your posts on this thread are silly and incorrect.

What's up with that?

What have you been inhaling?

Oxymoron gas?
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stiplic Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 06:33 PM
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31. And Obama? COWARD!!! Will we ever learn?????????
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JoeyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 08:04 PM
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41. Shows we're finally getting away from the stupid "demon weed" idea.
Edited on Thu Dec-10-09 08:06 PM by JoeyT
Though I did find the other part of that less amusing. "Less than 10 per cent of respondents support the legalization of other drugs, such as ecstasy, powder cocaine, heroin, methamphetamine or "crystal meth" and crack cocaine." So over 90% of Americans don't support the right of a grown man or woman to stick whatever the hell they want into their body as long as they're not bothering anyone else? I find that pretty horrifying.
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clixtox Donating Member (941 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 10:05 PM
Response to Reply #41
45. Flee now, while you still can... Really!

"Common wisdom", also known as ignorance, rules in the USA.

Stupidity and Orwellian "double-speak" are repeated so relentlessly, that untruths have gained immense traction. This phenomenon can only prevail in a society where the ability to think independently and critically have been de-emphasized. Apparently critical thinking as a vital life skill is no longer taught to most students. The discussion of literature in English classes, even in high school, included some philosophy and critical thinking/reading for meaning exercises along with grammar and vocabulary 50 years ago. Does that sort of teaching still occur for all students? I don't think so and I believe it hasn't for decades just considering reality. I admit, I don't know firsthand, or due to focused research, but Americans seem to be docile, alienated and resolutely resigned to being angry, brutal, confused, ignorant, self-righteous and bamboozled.

A clear and present mortal danger to the world, themselves and even those they supposedly love and cherish.

Even knowing "too much", as obviously you do JoeyT, could become life threateningly dangerous sometime soon in the USA.

Maybe tomorrow?

Or perhaps the culling has been underway, subtly, for years already.

Who knows? I do know that it is a big world out here and the USA isn't anymore, sadly by too long a shot, the best country in the world to live in.

Really...
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 08:49 PM
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43. Why not legalize it?
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hollowdweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 09:43 PM
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44. I vote for whomever finally legalizes it to win the Nobel Peace Prize
A superdank heady in every vaporizer as a campaign motto. Legalizing weed would do more to promote world peace than just about anything I can think of.
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Fly by night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 08:00 AM
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56. I recently suggested that Dr. Sunil Aggarwal (who is leading the effort to reverse AMA mmj policy)
should be nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize. I agree that anyone responsible for the end of the "War on (Some) Drugs" deserves that high honor.

Great minds run together (particularly when they both live in hollows.)

Greetings from Fly Hollow, TN.

PS: That's why it was called the "peace pipe".
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hollowdweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 08:25 AM
Response to Reply #56
58. Right On
From Hudson Hollow WV
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tomhayes Donating Member (476 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 11:34 PM
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48. Legalize , or de-criminaliz??
I think there's a big difference between the two.
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JonLP24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 12:26 AM
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53. Happy to K & R
:smoke:
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FlyByNight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 08:21 AM
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57. If marijuana were to be legalized...
...how would the prison-industrial complex and alphabet soup of law enforcement (federal, state, local) agencies justify their existence? Lots of money to be made tossing people in jail for arbitrarily determining what people can or cannot put into their bodies.

Cigarettes, alcohol, sugar, red meat, processed foods and manufactured pharmaceuticals are OK but something that actually grows naturally is outlawed. This country's policies make my head hurt.

I refer anyone to listen to Bill Hicks' rants on pot use: informed and very funny (of course) even some years after his untimely passing.

:banghead:
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newtothegame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 11:23 AM
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61. Then legalize it.
We need to stop always talking about how everyone supports us, but not doing anything about it. 75% of Americans oppose the war? Then stop the war. 75% of Americans support Single Payer? Then enact Single Payer.

We need to spend less time posting pictures of Obama in his sunglasses and Michelle in her dresses, and more time enacting legislation that we say everyone supports.
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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 12:27 PM
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62. I don't - known too many pot heads.
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 01:31 PM
Response to Reply #62
66. I've known a lot of alcoholics too.
Legality and addiction are two separate issues.
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BakedAtAMileHigh Donating Member (900 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 03:12 PM
Response to Reply #62
69. yeah, I'm sure you're an expert
:eyes:

Clown.
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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 04:41 PM
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72. I see you sign your name as clown. I'm not an expert because I make it a point of getting away from
those losers. My friends don't need pot. If they had cancer I'd be all for it though. Other than that, it is a lot like alcohol - I avoid people who need that too.
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BakedAtAMileHigh Donating Member (900 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-12-09 07:58 AM
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82. you're a shining star
Edited on Sat Dec-12-09 08:14 AM by BakedAtAMileHigh
Good for you, Bunky!

While you wallow, perhaps you might want to do a little reading. I recommend the Oct 2003 issue of "Nature" magazine for starters, page 745. Then I suggest reading the excellent "Dying to Get High" by Wendy Chapkiss and Richard Webb. Then if you're ready for some more hardcore science I suggest checking out the work of Dr. Bob Melamede, the chair of Biology at the University of Colorado's Colorado Springs campus. His life's work is the study of endogenous cannabinoids (the kind you already have in you! GASP! Did you know that YOU are already a "pothead loser"? It begins with mother's milk, which is chock full of cannabinoids!) and their relationship to health, especially the immune system and as an alternate cancer therapy. After you check in with Dr. Melamede, you should head over the good people at the Seth Group, a group of physicians who study alternatives to chemotherapy for the most deadly form of brain cancer, glioblastoma multiforme (GBM).

I want you to understand one very important thing: you have no clue what you are talking about. None. You do not have the knowledge or real-life experiences that could help you to understand how important this issue is for a very large number of people. Instead, you drool on a message board about all the "potheads" you "know". It's pathetic and sad.



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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 02:27 PM
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67. As with most of our problems, those who profit from the corruption ae keeping it in place!!
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kenichol Donating Member (198 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 02:54 PM
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68. Our Albuquerque vigil inspired a Brazil vigil/march
I was fortunate enough to attend the International Drug Policy Reform Conference in Albuquerque in November and help with the Vigil for Victims of the Drug War. Amazingly electric, the whole experience.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oq_PZtDA_g

I just got a message from Brazil that our vigil in Albuquerque inspired them to have a Marijuana March vigil. You can't imagine how empowering it is to be part of that inspiration.

"I am fine! Arrived in Brasil full of gas and inspiration to make things move down here.

I just arrived from Salvador, Bahia (Northeast Brazil), where we had a Marijuana March full for the first time in the city

After 2 years prohibited, our friend from Growroom, Sergio Vidal, won the right to make the demonstration in his hometown.

This was very important because opened the way to make the March yearly without having troubles. This victory meant above everything that we won the right to have a honest debate aboiut marijuana in Brasil

Inspired on the vigil that I took part in Albuquerque, I organized a vigil in Salvador.

The newspaper wrote about it and we got many videos and pictures about it, which I would like to share with you and the others that took part on Albuquerque Vigil.


Growroom is growing in the political scene as one of the most representative drug users community and we are moving to make it a legal association for the rights of cannabis users.

VIDEOS:

1- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5i9gMOnKIGs

2- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rx2vrlFITHo

PICTURES:



http://picasaweb.google.com/contatoananda/MMS2009Brunorohde..."
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-12-09 01:23 AM
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77. 53% = Most?
Yeah, that tells me all I need to know about the thinking skills employed in the article.

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/most
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clixtox Donating Member (941 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-12-09 10:45 AM
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84. THe word "most" is only used in the "headline", not in the article. Duh... N/T
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