W.H. to Reid: Cut deal with Lieberman

[meegbear]

Source: Politico.com

The White House is encouraging Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) to cut a deal with Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.), which would mean eliminating the proposed Medicare expansion in the health reform bill, according to an official close to the negotiations.

But Reid is described as so frustrated with Lieberman that he is not ready to sacrifice a key element of the health care bill, and first wants to see the Congressional Budget Office cost analysis of the Medicare buy-in. The analysis is expected early this week.

"There is a weariness and a lot of frustration that one person is holding up the will of 59 others," the official said. “There is still too much anger and confusion at one particular senator’s reversal.”

Lieberman threw health care reform into doubt Sunday when he told Reid that he would filibuster the bill if it allowed Americans ages 55 to 64 to purchase coverage in Medicare. His comments on CBS’s “Face the Nation” set off a series of private meetings Sunday between the Senate leadership and top White House aides, including Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel, who encouraged Reid to cut the deal with Lieberman, the official said. The White House declined to comment.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1209/30572.html

[FiveGoodMen]

1. Give Obama more time

And maybe he'll deny Americans health care altogether. (But still make us pay the premiums)

[Cronus Protagonist]

60. lol

I'm waiting for the cops to come and arrest me for not paying the fine, so I can still not pay the fine in jail and get free medical care there.

[bvar22]

101. The fine will be collected by the IRS...

...and you KNOW the IRS always WINS.

[wordpix]

163. Speaking of the IRS---has anyone done an audit on the Lieberman couple lately?

It might be a good idea---are all those Lie-man campaign donations documented? Is Hadassah reporting on all her income, including the Susan Komen for the Cure income and all the other "good works" she does for pay? :shrug:

:shrug: Just wonderin'.

[jkilvik]

76. That's Senator Lieberman to you Mr. Chicago tough guy.

I hope some of those weak tinklers in the White House are planning on spending most of 2012 knocking on doors and working hard to elect Democrats in Washington St's 3rd Congressional district cause I don't won't support anyone backing down to Lieberman.

[JDPriestly]

151. At this point, I think the whole health care bill is a fiasco.

I think we should start organizing for a Kucinich challenge to Obama in 2012. Maybe that will change the chemistry in D.C.

I did not think Kucinich was electable last time. But I think that by the time the Republicans have profiled themselves as the party of paleolithic Palin and Obama has shown himself to be a weak-willed man, Kucinich will be supported by a broad spectrum of Americans who just want someone who is honest and will stand by his principles.

[Hawkeye-X]

2. D.T. to W.H. and H.R.

Fuck Lieberman. Support H.R.'s invocation of the nuclear option. Let's get America back on track.

Hawkeye-X

[lsewpershad]

120. Just wondering

Is there any good "obya" man around. Seems that we need some really strong stuff to make this prick go far, far away.

[DJ13]

Retreat!

We surrender!




Cowards.

[polichick]

3. Well, it sure does look like Obama's agenda is way different from the voters' agenda. nt

[Cronus Protagonist]

63. +10

True dat.

[tomm2thumbs]

73. maybe someone better cut a deal with the American people instead

to think that 'thing' was our V.P. nominee - makes me vomit

[pleah]

4. I am so fed up with these assholes! n/t

[emulatorloo]

31. Yes I too am fed up with POLITICO

and DU going ballistic every time that right-wing rag puts out some bullshit story that will be debunked by tomorrow morning at the lastes.

[DainBramaged]

5. Yup, Obama has our best interests at heart

and I am the walrus. Koo koo ka-joob.

[Aramchek]

10. if you were really the Walrus, you wouldn't confuse it with Mrs. Robinson

would you?

[Techn0Girl]

16. You should really actually listen to the song. The O.P is spot on.

[Aramchek]

19. John Lennon never sang "Koo-koo-ka-joob"

Learn your Beatles before you make such invalid claims.

[Techn0Girl]

36. Before I put you on ignore for being pedantic as well as wrong....

You should just try to educate yourself by looking at the lyrics. The O.P. may have spelled them wrong with a "k" instead of a "g" but any sane person would recognize that he was right.

I don't expect you to be able to google up the actual lyrics . I expect you to disappear when I press the next few buttons because I have no intention to listening to you argue on spelling errors in the future :)

[Name removed]

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[DainBramaged]

40. IT'S FUCKING PARAPHRASED FOR CHRIST'S SAKE

[Aramchek]

44. we all know what happened. don't be embarrassed. this is a well known mistake.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Koo%20Koo%20Kachoo

[Soylent Brice]

17. *ahem*

I am the Walrus

I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together.
See how they run like pigs from a gun, see how they fly.
I'm crying.

Sitting on a bench, waiting for the bus to come.
Corporation t-shirts, stupid bloody Tuesday.
You've been a naughty boy, you let your hair grow long.
I am eatting eggs, they are eatting eggs, I'm John Lennon,
Goo goo ga joob.

Mister City P'liceman sitting
Pretty little girls in a row.
See how they fly like a plane in the Sky, see how they fly.
I'm crying.
I'm cry, I'm crying, I'm cry.

Yellow custard, dripping from a large black pot.
Fisherman with his fishwife,
You've been a naughty boy and you let your face get dirty.
I am eatting eggs (woo), they are eatting eggs (woo), I am John Lennon,
Goo goo ga joob.

Sitting in an English garden waiting for the sun.
If the sun don't come, you get wet from
Sitting in the English rain.
I am eatting eggs, they are eatting eggs, I am John Lennon,
goo goo gajoob ga goo goo gajoob.

Expert singers, choking smokers
Don't you think the joker laughs at you? (ho ho ho, he he he, ha ha ha)
See how they snort like pigs in a sty, see how they snide.
I'm crying.

Eleanor Rigby, climbing up the stairs.
Expert singers singing Hare Krishna.
Man, you should have seen them reading Edgar Allan Poe.
I am eatting eggs, they are eatting eggs, I John Lennon,
Goo goo gajoob ga goo goo ga joob
(everybody ho ha everybody ho ha!)

[Aramchek]

25. thanks for proving my point.

Walrus = 'goo goo g'joob'

Mrs. Robinson = 'koo koo kachoo'

Lots of idiots mix the two up because they only have a superficial recognition of the Beatles.

see here> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Koo%20Koo%20Kachoo

[Soylent Brice]

80. anytime. i aim to please. or at least that's what it said on the box...

[crim son]

156. I'm no idiot and I have a superficial recognition of the Beatles.

I'm frankly amazed by this exchange.

[LanternWaste]

164. It's still rock n roll to me...

"Lots of idiots mix the two up because they only have a superficial recognition of the Beatles...."

Or (and I find this quite a bit more probable) because many people don't place the same amount of priority on pop music, instead allowing pop music that place in culture where it may belong-- the peripheries which warrant very little.

Koo-koo-ka-choo, goo-goo-ga-joob. "It's still rock n roll to me..." :shrug:

[DainBramaged]

41. WHO GIVES A SHIT, THIS IS ABOUT LIEBERMAN, JESUS CHRIST ON A STICK

[Aramchek]

45. don't worry. you'll do better next time. the more you know***********

[Soylent Brice]

83. you know, i'm having a rough day too. maybe we should relax a little.

:shrug:

[DainBramaged]

42. The big red X is for you

[DainBramaged]

38. Jesus, comment on Lieberman, the purity squad jumps in

because you paraphrased a song sentence?
What the fuck has gone wrong here??? I've just about had it.

[spiritual_gunfighter]

48. This type of shit is why DU is getting annoying n/t

[Aramchek]

51. you don't find the constant negativity towards Obama more bothersome?

[spiritual_gunfighter]

54. Not when it is justified

but the nitpicking bullshit about what the true lyric to "I am The Walrus" is, is beyond annoying. Arguing White House policy is fine.

[Aramchek]

58. so I'll mark you down as approving of Obama hate

and there's no question what the true lyric is. it's been published for the last 40 years.

[spiritual_gunfighter]

86. Approving of "Obama hate"

Having problems with policy does not equal Obama hate, but obviously to you any kind of dissent equals hatred of our President. I cant help but to be reminded of the Bush defenders during his Presidency who labeled anyone who spoke out against his administration as unamerican. Not something I want to be associated with but go ahead and feel free.

Maybe you didnt get it in my up thread I DONT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT WHAT THE LYRIC IS

Thank you for confirming that I need to take a break from this place, it is rife with idiocy these days.

[laughingliberal]

140. False dichotomy. Either you voice full support or you hate Obama

This kind of black and white thinking is characteristic of a developmental stage generally outgrown by adulthood. Wouldn't fly on a high school debate class and doesn't work here.

[closeupready]

122. "I am the Walrus" you mean, not "I am The Walrus." Get it right.

:sarcasm:

[rudy23]

67. I'm finding the Rovian/Rahmian process of turning it back on Progressives to be disgusting.

I love how Obama and the DLC are the victims all of the sudden today.

I love how Progressives who have been on DU since '03 are now the outsiders who are attacking Obama, instead of the other way around. You realize we are not dittoheads and these tactics are not invisible to us?

[Aramchek]

74. you can't make progress if you're acting like an ass and fighting Obama's every move

[rudy23]

85. Great, then I'll continue doing neither one of those things. nt

[laughingliberal]

141. Another false dichotomy. Objecting to this 1 thing means fighting every move

inaccurate.

[w4rma]

153. Noone is buying your BS, Aramchek. (nt)

[Aramchek]

49. your comment was actually about Obama, a sarcastic reference to his care for our interests

[rudy23]

65. No, it's YOUR problem for not supporting Obama, a DEMOCRAT. What are you a left-bagger?

Are you some sort of troll against OBAMA?

:sarcasm:


Seriously though, that is what the purity squad is trying to pull today. Since they can't defend Obama on this Lieberman compromise, they have to derail the thread. They have a job to do here, and preserving the integrity of DU is not it.

[Aramchek]

75. there is no Lieberman compromise, dufus

once again, Politico tricked you with no effort at all.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x55736

if you weren't so willing to believe the worst about Obama, you wouldn't be fooled so easily.

[rudy23]

87. We'll just see about that----so far, the worst has been correct.

I really wish it weren't so. I, like so many here, worked and gave so much to see Obama in the White House and are just tired of lowering our expectations to a shocking new low day after day after day.

[placton]

95. rudy - you speak the truth

unlike Obama and the O-squad at DU

[Aramchek]

98. so, Obama is a Liar, huh?

and I've got news for you, that O-Squad is officially known as the Democratic Party.
whose team do you play for?

[rudy23]

103. No, belonging to the Democratic Party does not make one a Democrat---Lieberman is a prime example.

And he was going against the Democratic Party LONG before he changed his affiliation.

The "O-Squad" is most certainly NOT the Democratic Party. Their values run contrary to the Democratic Party and everything this site stands for.

[Aramchek]

106. Obama is the de facto Leader of the Democratic Party

those who support him are Democrats.

those who don't can call themselves whatever they like.

I think you need to reread the Rules of DU to find out what this place really stands for.

Here's a hint, it's definitely not supposed to be a free-for-all of derision directed at the Head of our Party.

[rudy23]

109. Oh, so he owns the healthcare bill? Funny how he's the leader when it serves you, and he's helpless

whenever you need to blame something on Congresscritters.

[Aramchek]

117. He is the Head of the Party, but doesn't control Congress

Take a break from DU and read the Constitution for a reminder on how US Government works.

[laughingliberal]

143. He doesn't control Congress but it didn't stop him from laying down the law on not adding 1 penny to

the deficit. But the public option was a sliver.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

162. Hey, Noob, maybe YOU need to...

reread the Rules of DU to find out what this place is all about. It is a Progressive, small "d" site. When O or any Democrat goes anti-progressive expect them to get rightfully spanked.

[JDPriestly]

154. The O squad does not equal the Democratic Party

Ted Kennedy challenged Carter in 1980 if I am not mistaken. The sitting president does not incarnate the party.

I remember reading hearing something from Obama about Reagan during the primaries and thinking "red light" on this guy. Obama thinks he is a Democrat, but as an old-time Democrat who remembers a little about the Truman era, Obama is acting less and less like a Democrat. Democrats are fighter. Obama does not act like a fighter.

[rudy23]

93. TPM and one other source are confirming Politico's story

And it speaks volumes about your arguing skill that you are calling someone a "dufus" with little to no personal provocation. How old are you?

[Aramchek]

96. they aren't confirming it, they're relaying it. big difference.

anyone who would be so excited about and defensive of an unconfirmed story that attempts to make Obama look bad is a dufus.
sorry.

[Techn0Girl]

99. Just put that person on ignore like I did....

Some people you just don;t waste time with. And no one needs to be arguing with a 12 year old either ;)

[tomm2thumbs]

161. more sources confirming

http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/12/14/rahms-making-the-white-house-look-terrible/

'Rahm Emanuel visited Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid in his Capitol office on Sunday evening and personally urged him to cut a deal with recalcitrant Sen. Joe Lieberman, two Democratic sources familiar with the situation said...

re: Politico report 'The report, however, according to the two sources, was entirely accurate. “We’re long past time for these kinds of games,” one source said.'

[DainBramaged]

114. OH NOES I DOES NOT SUPPORTS THIS OH NOES

:hi:

[notadmblnd]

6. someone tell me why these people are coddeling lieberman?

[DJ13]

7. AIPAC

Big money

[DURHAM D]

8. He carries water for Obama's friends. nt

[polichick]

18. And gives Obama cover. nt

[tblue]

26. Oh no. Is that it? Lord, help me please. nt

[emulatorloo]

28. POLITICO carries water for Republicans. The story will probably be debunked by this afternoon

Their stories usually are.

[polichick]

94. It's already been denied of course - but that's not the same as "debunked."

[Enrique]

113. and then that denial will be denied tomorrow

and then that denial will be walked back the next day, and then that walking back will be denied.

[polichick]

121. LOL

[totodeinhere]

116. Because they actually agree with him?

Or are they all beholden to the same corporate masters?

[gratuitous]

9. More Vulcan chess?

Possible subtext: "Get a bill passed, no matter what it takes. We'll fix it in conference."

My response, however, is "We cut a deal with Lieberman; he reneged. I'm not anxious to have a running swipe at the football he's holding again." Why do the progressives have to be the ones negotiating and compromising? I thought we won the election in 2008.

[Name removed]

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[tblue]

23. Who hates? Nobody here hates Obama.nt

[Aramchek]

29. they just hate everything he does and stands for?!?

take a stroll around this place and you will prove your assertion wrong dozens of times.

[laughingliberal]

144. I liked the things he stood for in the campaign like a public option

I haven't changed my positions since the election. Who moved?

[placton]

97. I like Obama

and likely would like Joe Lieberman if I met him. That doesn't, of course, make them decent leaders.

[gratuitous]

84. I think this is my first one

Sorry it discombobulated you so badly. I'll try to avoid them in the future, since it causes you so much discomfort that you're reduced to ad hominem attacks on posters who evince doubt about the current state and direction of our nation's political affairs.

[emulatorloo]

50. "according to an official close to the negotiations." LOL

[bdamomma]

11. Lieberman what an

a$$hole he is. Geez, these guys can't get anything right, American people are getting the shaft!!!

[Techn0Girl]

13. When They came for my Public Option I said nothing.....

and now they're coming to take away everything.

Thank you Democratic Party! Guess I won't be voting for you next year - but then again you really don't need my vote do you?

[MissMillie]

14. Cut the deal w/ more reasonable people

Like Snow and Collins.

Lieberman's an ass.

[AlbertCat]

61. Cut the deal w/ more reasonable people

How about just letting them REALLY filibuster....not just get their way for threatening to.

The American People need to see the GOP (and their enablers) reading from the phone book for days to stop people from getting meaningful HCR. It would be a great image to play in 2010 campaign ads, no?

Besides, the minute the Senate is in danger of missing a big wig cocktail party, the filibuster will be over.

When did just the threat of a filibuster stop everything in its tracks? Make the GOP work for their obstructionism.

[clear eye]

125. Right. I said the same on another thread last night.

The MSM would be forced to report the obstructionism instead of just writing that to pass the bill "it takes 60 votes", instead of reporting the truth that it only takes 60 votes to block a filibuster, not to pass a bill.

If the #'s in Congress were reversed how fast do you think the 'pukes would say, "Go ahead and filibuster"?

Incomprehensible capitulation like this is why people are starting to believe Politico about the WH.

[Aramchek]

15. thanks for letting us know what 'the Official' thinks

what a load of unsourced crap!

[tblue]

Anybody wanna buy an Obama t-shirt?

I have about 8 different ones, all in small sizes. Pretty cute, various styles, gently used. Actually, I used to wear them a lot.

[change_notfinetuning]

34. Someone should collect all these shirts that we won't wear, and bring them

to some presidential appearance. I think he is so insulated, like all the other recent presidents were, that he is clueless as to how dissatisfied many of his biggest supporters are.

[Aramchek]

62. yeah, then you can burn them all in a big pile, how progressive of you...

[change_notfinetuning]

72. didn't know that was the definition of progressive

[Aramchek]

77. oh, it's not. that's the point.

[change_notfinetuning]

102. Okay, I give. Blinders are the definition?

[laughingliberal]

146. Another example of progressivity? Having a CofS beating on the progressive caucus to cave to the

Conservadems at every turn.

[tomm2thumbs]

39. shirts?

I threw mine out.

[change_notfinetuning]

47. tblue has 8. I have 2. I'm proposing a T-shirter party. I'll share. Interested?

[tomm2thumbs]

56. shirt-o

They were disposed of after Obama invited Saddleback's idiot pastor Rick Warren to speak at his inauguration.
Heck, the printing wasn't even centered so couldn't wear them anyway... cheap-o

[change_notfinetuning]

68. Okay, I take that as a "NO". It was just a thought. As a former (previous life)

T-shirt printer, though, I want to point out that most of us threw out, donated, or discounted our mistakes. As for the Rick Warren selection, I would have no explanation then. Now, it's all starting to make sense.

[tomm2thumbs]

79. someone needs to remind Obama, when you stand for everything, you stand for nothing

if this bill is nothing more than forced money for the Insurance Industry, it needs to go down, bigtime, and the corporate democrat yellow dogs deserve every bit of grief this next election. I want to know what Dr. Dean, Sanders and Weiner are talking about right now with this kind of absurd stupidity going on, in what is supposed to be a government for the people, not corporate shills with their hands in every pocket

[Neecy]

82. Exactly. Gays were the canaries in the coal mine

The Warren thing was so off, so incredible, so unbelievable for a Democratic president that it left me speechless.

And so many of us here were beaten down by the PomPom squad for expressing our outrage over it.

We were just the first to be shit on by this administration. Looks like just about everyone else has caught up.

[Cherchez la Femme]

149. Sshhhhh

you can't say 'I told you so'
even if it is true.

You know, the comeback is (or was, even though they still think it) all we selfish, impatient people want is... uh,
a small equine. NOW! :eyes:

[change_notfinetuning]

90. I missed the obvious before - I bet they were off centered to the right, huh?

[tomm2thumbs]

92. (laughing) you may have a point there

depends on if you are wearing it or looking at it

[Winterblues]

20. Reid has offered carrots and carrots and now it is time for the stick.

Eliminate any and all Chairmanships and or co-chairs for Lieberman in particular and mention it to Ben nelson as well.

[zonkers]

21. Leibertool.

[change_notfinetuning]

22. No health insurance needed to diagnose the WH - Emanuel is the cancer in

this administration.

[laughingliberal]

147. Yes and I think he needs more time with his family nt

[bluestateguy]

24. Oh, it's a Politico story

And people here are taking the bait too.

:dunce:

[Aramchek]

35. the infamous Politico 'Official' up to the same old games

anyone with half a brain can see the entire purpose of this article is to cast Obama in a bad light.

too bad that many here don't meet that qualification.

[IndianaGreen]

157. Except that now, several hours later, we now know it was true!

How do you feel about that now?

[emulatorloo]

27. HEY EVERYBODY! -----> POLITICO. Probably be debunked in a couple hours from now

[tblue]

32. Okay. Pls update us if you hear anything.

This doesn't sound like anything Obama would do, now does it?

[emulatorloo]

46. "according to an official close to the negotiations."

What official? Chuck Grassley's intern?

They pull this shit all the time. But as you say time will tell,.

[emulatorloo]

59. "White House Denies Report They’re Pushing For Deal With Lieberman."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=55736&mesg_id=55736

[tomm2thumbs]

66. whiteboard feed - can Gibbs confirm 'cut a deal with Lieberman'?

Can Gibbs confirm POLITICO's report that the White House wants to cut a deal with Lieberman?

"The president is anxious to see progress and will continue to work with Democrats and Republicans and independents and everyone in between," Gibbs says.

http://www.politico.com/politico44/

[emulatorloo]

70. “The [POLITICO] report is inaccurate. The White House is not pushing Senator Reid in any direction.

That quote is from White House senior communications adviser Dan Pfeiffer.

----

http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/health-care/white-house-denies-report-that-theyre-pushing-for-deal-with-lieberman


White House Denies Report They’re Pushing For Deal With Lieberman
The White House is shooting down a report in Politico claiming that Obama advisers are pushing Harry Reid to cut a deal to dump the Medicare buy-in to make Joe Lieberman happy.

White House senior communications adviser Dan Pfeiffer emails me:

“The report is inaccurate. The White House is not pushing Senator Reid in any direction. We are working hand in hand with the Senate Leadership to work through the various issues and pass health reform as soon as possible.”

Whatever the case, it doesn’t seem unlikely that the Medicare buy-in will be dropped if that’s what is necessary to get to 60 votes. But the White House insists it’s not pushing for any such thing, at least for now.

[tomm2thumbs]

160. link meets link

'Rahm Emanuel visited Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid in his Capitol office on Sunday evening and personally urged him to cut a deal with recalcitrant Sen. Joe Lieberman, two Democratic sources familiar with the situation said.'

http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/12/14/rahms-making-the-white-house-look-terrible/

someone ain't being honest... and in Washington no less... tsk tsk tsk

whodathunk!

[Freddie Stubbs]

107. TPM is confirming the story:

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/12/white-house-pressures-reid-to-cut-a-deal-with-lieberman.php?ref=fpa

[totodeinhere]

118. Of course they are going to deny it now.

They always backtrack when they get called out on something. But I suspect that their true sentiments do lie more with Traitor Joe than with the best interests of the American people.

[LaPera]

30. Slimy corporate DLC Rahm Emanuel; do anything to make it appear that real health care reform

has been passed & achieved, when of course without a public option there isn't and can't be any real reform to the health care insurance industry that has fucked us up for so many years, with their profits above people's health.

Emanuel just plays politics, he doesn't give one shit about all the people that are hurting and dying, DIRECTLY because of the insurance corporations greed & lust for their huge obscene profits in keeping the status quo.

Such corporate DLC assholes that we have in power now....it's never been about real reform, just image to parade around to say that there is now health care reform, when it's really all about to simply get re-elected.

How can anyone have faith in these cocksuckers in control, like Rahm Emanuel?

Fuck them ALL Harry and pass a strong public option bill with "Reconciliation" a simple majority 51% - for the people.

[rudy23]

69. Never forget----he was Obama's number 1 draft pick.

Hired the day after the elections. Rahm serves at the pleasure of the President.

[closeupready]

124. Yes! Don't actually twist any arms or get our hands dirty!

Bash the liberals - it's so much easier. :mad:

[havocmom]

33. Havocmom to Reid & WH: Nah, stuff the little weasle in his locker

with some dirty sox

[dave29]

37. stagecraftery

We all know witches float.... do congresspeople?

[Bonhomme Richard]

52. This from Politico. Consider the source before you.........

get your panties in a wad.

[Techn0Girl]

115. Truth is Truth No Matter WHERE it comes from....

Other places including TPM and HuffPo are picking up the story and running with it and I have a lot of respect for both places.

Sorry to get you Pom-Poms all bummed out but just hike up your skirt and accept the truth as it is.

Cheerleaders are not doing the American Public a service. You have a choice whether to serve America or to serve some foolish political ideal. I made my choice .

[Optimistic]

53. Screw Lieberman

Kick him off all the Committees, Look till 2011 for Health Care Reform when the Dems can run Real Progressives against all the sellouts

[Don Draper]

55. Fuck Lieberman, don't give him anything......

Pass healthcare reform through reconciliation if you have to, but don't cave to that bastard. Any further compromise will be worthless. The democrats are screwed in the next election if they don't pass healthcare reform. I just don't see any other way than reconciliation.

Lieberman should be stripped of his chairmanships and kicked out of the caucus. What the hell is Harry Ried waiting for? Lieberman may as well be a fucking republican. The democrats need to quit kissing his ass and put him in his place.

[BAPhill]

57. Wrong move!

They should marginalize that SOB. He doesn't give a damn about people, just his own pocketbook.
He is Scrooge!

[emulatorloo]

64. "White House Denies Report They’re Pushing For Deal With Lieberman."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=55736&mesg_id=55736

[Aramchek]

71. what do you know? already debunked. Politico fails again, and the Haters still bought it

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x55736

[felinetta]

78. Lieberman: He just acts like a spoiled little princess. I have no respect for him at all.

[dave29]

81. White house denying this (Politico) story.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/12/white-house-pressures-reid-to-cut-a-deal-with-lieberman.php?ref=fpa

[regnaD kciN]

88. IF you believe Politico, which makes ZERO sense in this story...

They claim that Reid could placate Unholy Joe by dropping the Medicare buy-in, but the latter has already said that his main objection is the presence of any form of public option, even a triggered one, and also to any form of "government-managed" plan (by which, I assume, he means the OPM system modeled on the FEHB plan. Medicare is only a distant second in his concerns. Therefore, dropping Medicare, in and of itself, would do nothing to change his position, unless we first dropped everything else out of the bill (except the individual mandate, of course).

[Mithreal]

89. Sign the petition against the Liebermans

While Senator Joe Lieberman pledges to vote against the current health care bill, donations to find a cure for cancer are paying the salary of his wife Hadassah Lieberman, former employee of the insurance and pharmaceutical lobbying complex.

Hadassah Lieberman's relationship with Susan G. Komen for the Cure is unethical and misleading.

We're calling on Susan G. Komen for the Cure and its celebrity endorsers to remove Hadassah Lieberman as a compensated "Global Ambassador."

http://action.firedoglake.com/hadassah

[laylah]

91. Bullshit is all I can say! nt

[greenbird]

100. Source: Politico and Huffington Post

Shouldn't that be enough to get us all to take a deep breath, wait, and see what REALLY happened?

[FVZA_Colonel]

104. Why the hell does this little piece of shit still hold so much power?

How can the Democrats not have done anything about him?

Let's hope anger and spite are powerful enough motivators for Reed for him to ignore this request.

[graywarrior]

105. Fuel your anger and sign this. At least it's an action step.

http://act.boldprogressives.org/cms/sign/porescue/?source=taf


I'll also post it at GD

[bvar22]

108. It was the Obama White House....

...that had the Kucinich Amendment (allowing states to start their own single payer Health Insurance) removed from the House Bill after it had passed in committee. Pelosi removed it behind closed doors at the request of the White House.

Now, The Obama White House is again showing muscle to remove Medicare from the Senate version.

And there are those here who insist that the White House doesn't have any influence over bills in Congress.

Handing a $TRILLION Dollars of Public Money to the Health Insurance Cartel (Wall Street's !st Cousin) was THE PLAN from the start.
The "Public Option" was NEVER anything more than a shiny object to distract the peasants while the gift package was assembled for the Billionaires in the Health Insurance Industry.

Obama and The Democrats are going to transfer more WEALTH to the private sector than the Republicans could ever dream about.

Watch OUT!
"Entitlement Reform" (Social Security & Medicare) is NEXT on the DLC Hit List.


The DLC New Team
Republican Lite ONLY!
Working Class Democrats Need NOT Apply

(Screen Capped from the DLC Website)

”I am a New Democrat!”---Barack Obama
http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?contentid=254931&kaid=85&subid=900184

[cornermouse]

110. Time to bury this turkey of a bill.

Mandatory insurance premiums without any benefit? No thanks.

If I put out money I better see a reason or a reward.

[davidwparker]

111. Question: How can you tell a party is dead?

Answer: When it cannot get anything done in a majority.

I will vote Obama's weak a*s out of office in 2012.

The only way to rebuild this party is to get rid of the corporatist in it ... anyway it needs to get done.

If there are no primary challengers, may they loose in the general election.

THEY. NEED. TO. GO.

So does Obama.

[MBS]

112. Reid often frustrates me, but this

time I really, really share his pain, anger, weariness and frustration. And as for Lieberman. :mad::nuke:

[chill_wind]

119. TPM is confirming the story.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x55868

[bamacrat]

123. He needs to be stripped of all chairmanships thrown out of the caucus.

What a shitty shitty little man. I think we may see Cheney/Lieberman 2012 signs before long.

[jtylerpittman]

127. i agree

what good is he to us

[bamacrat]

158. None, we have a super majority only in name. We really only have 59.

They need to abolish the filibuster.

[Old Codger]

126. White house to all

Fuck you very much.

[leftynyc]

128. Politico? Seriously?

Please tell me there is another source for this. If not, just another attempt of a right wing rag to get liberals/progressives pissed at the President.

[change_notfinetuning]

129. The White House? Seriously? Integrity? Transparency? Peace? Good Will?

And I wanted Obama to run before he even announced, so don't give me any crap. I am an Obama supporter who knows when the average American has been told to go to Hell. But, in the charming Obama manner we all know and love, you gotta love his diplomacy when he adds, "and enjoy the trip."

[Cherchez la Femme]

130. White House To Reid: Cut A Deal With Lieberman

Source: The Huffington Post

Politico reported Monday afternoon that the White House is urging Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) to cut a deal with Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.) to pass health care reform.

The White House is encouraging Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) to cut a deal with Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.), which would mean eliminating the proposed Medicare expansion in the health reform bill, according to an official close to the negotiations.


But Reid is described as so frustrated with Lieberman that he is not ready to sacrifice a key element of the health care bill, and first wants to see the Congressional Budget Office cost analysis of the Medicare buy-in. The analysis is expected early this week.

The White House has denied the report. Senior communications adviser Dan Pfeiffer told Greg Sargent:

"The report is inaccurate. The White House is not pushing Senator Reid in any direction. We are working hand in hand with the Senate Leadership to work through the various issues and pass health reform as soon as possible."

Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/14/white-house-to-reid-cut-a_n_391408.html

---

Confusing, but for what it's worth: HuffPo is reporting it...

Link to Politico not showing up on my cut & paste, is on the Huffington Post page.

[bluestateguy]

131. Oh my goodness! What a bombshell!

Or at least it would be to the people who didn't catch the other 36 posts on exactly the same issue

[Cherchez la Femme]

139. Well excuuuuuuse me!

:D

Hey, I did a search for the exact title and nothing showed up
nor did I see this thread among the latest hundreds. What otherwise do you suggest to prevent this?

Other than mindreading?


edit: I see that it showed up under the Politico title. From now on, when there are two sources, I'll check both titles (didn't notice each site used a different title).
Even if its Politico -- can't stand that site & it's faux 'fair and balanced'.

But seriously, no need to be snotty about it. If I had seen it had already been brought to the attention of DUer's I would not have posted it.

[Aramchek]

132. this is not Breaking News, in fact it has already been debunked

[elocs]

134. When exactly was it bunked though?

:bounce:

[Aramchek]

136. when the White House denied it and Rahm asked Reid to use reconciliation

[Cherchez la Femme]

148. Pardon me, but

where did this 'reconciliation' come from? From usage here I take it a request from Rahm to Reid regarding Lieberman? (Jesus!)

I didn't see the term in the Politico article, and I haven't had the chance to peruse much else on this subject the past couple days -- in any event, I have not seen it used regarding the principals mentioned above.

...if it was used as it seems, how exactly was the OP 'debunked' then? Sounds, on the surface, the same to me...


Link(s) would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! :hi:

[tomm2thumbs]

159. I found the opposite of what was said above- *LINK*

http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/12/14/rahms-making-the-white-house-look-terrible/

'...two more reporters have confirmed Politico’s account: TNR’s Jonathan Cohn and HuffPo’s Ryan Grim. In fact both Cohn and Grim pass on the ID of this anonymous White House figure: Rahm Emanuel.'

'Rahm Emanuel visited Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid in his Capitol office on Sunday evening and personally urged him to cut a deal with recalcitrant Sen. Joe Lieberman, two Democratic sources familiar with the situation said.'

[elocs]

133. Oh, you mean the deal that was posted here at 1:07 this afternoon:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=4183679&mesg_id=4183679

[katkat]

135. I have a deal for Lieberman

All his committee assignments go in the toilet, as they should have long ago.

[jaybeat]

137. Maybe it was a typo

and the WH really told Reid to CUT Lieberman.

I'd LIKE that...

:evilgrin:

[corpseratemedia]

138. well if it's debunked i'll just edit out everything

and save it for when I read it again :o(

[hollowdweller]

142. Perhaps Rahm and Joe should push for cutting aid to Israel till they get rid of their public option

I mean if it's good enough for the US..

[Cherchez la Femme]

150. *choke*

Coca-Cola on my monitor!

Damn you! *shaking fist* :rofl:


But isn't it sad in itself that it's so outrageous?

[Blasphemer]

145. Bottom line: If the Insurance Industry doesn't like it, it gets taken out of the bill

That's the reality of these health "reform" negotiations. Anything REMOTELY good for the American people is gutted.

[MisterP]

152. well, obvious this means that we need to give the Dems more meek obedience, money, and votes

we must be patient, since there's so much * crap to clean up

*! non-sequitur generator has encountered an error and must close*

[New Dawn]

155. White House to Reid: Give the health insurance industry everything they want!

i.e. the fascist "Individual Mandate."