Somali Man Stoned To Death By Militants For Adultery (GRAPHIC PHOTOS)

[maryinthemorn]

Source: HuffingtonPost




Somali Man Stoned To Death By Militants For Adultery (GRAPHIC PHOTOS)


First Posted: 12-15-09 09:41 AM | Updated: 12-15-09 11:42 AM


On Sunday, Islamic militants stoned a man to death for adultery in front of hundreds of local residents in Somalia. The man, named Mohamed Abukar Ibrahim, 48, was killed by members of the rebel group Hizbul Islam in Afgoye, 20 miles from the capital Mogadishu, according to the AFP. A second man, Ahmed Mohamoud Awale, 61, who was accused of murder, was shot to death. Hundreds of villagers were forced to watch the stoning by the militants, multiple reports said.

The girl with whom Ibrahim was accused of having an affair received 100 lashes; she escaped being put to death because she was not married at the time of the alleged sexual relations.
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Below are photos, from the AP, of Ibrahim's stoning. Please note: They are extremely graphic and do show Ibrahim after the stoning.


WARNING: EXTREMELY GRAPHIC IMAGES

Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/15/somali-man-stoned-to-deat_n_392503.html

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I should not have looked at those pics.

[OhioChick]

1. That's fucked up. n/t

[MNDemNY]

2. Another example of religion at it's finest.

Religion is the scourge of mankind.All of them. Yup. yours too!

[Taverner]

4. Yep - my thoughts exactly

And yes, this was relgion. This was ISLAM, the religion of "Peace" - although by no means do they have a monopoly on delusion, hysteria and violence - all religions seem to pick up these things equally well

[denverbill]

8. This is the prescribed punishment from the Old Testament too, you do realize.

By rights, fundamentalist Jews and Christians should agree with this punishment.

[Taverner]

9. Yep it sure is

All religion is BS

[Xicano]

62. This reminds me of these lyrics.

Didn't really care for the song, but, I like the lyrics.

In the history of the human race
Of all the inspirations for the separation of man from his true tribal culture
Of all the inspirations for the acts of violence from one man onto another
From one nation onto another, from one oppressor onto the oppressed
There is no more guilty party and inspiration than those books known
As the Holy Bible, the Koran, and the Bagavad Gita to spread separation of mankind

The Bible is bullshit, the Koran is a lie
The Bagavad Gita did not fall from the sky
These are the books that were written by men
They've caused wars, now follow if you can

They took away our love and gave us fear
Tried to make us hate the one who put us here
Then they took our sacred songs and made them wrong
Then they took away our prayers and gave us theirs

The Bible is bullshit, the Koran is a lie
The Bagavad Gita did not fall from the sky
These are the books that are written by men
They've caused wars, now follow if you can

First they created sin so they could win
Then they built the cages they could put us in
Then they took away our tribes and gave us jail
Then they took away the Earth and gave us hell

The Bible is bullshit, the Koran is a lie
The Bagavad Gita did not fall from the sky
These are the books that are written by men
They've caused wars, now follow if you can

It's time for you to love one another
It's time for you to recognize your brother
It's time for us to stop killing our mother
It's time for us to care for each other

The Bible is bullshit

[bighart]

10. So Jews and Christians are really to blame for this

after all Judaism is the oldest of the 3 and Christianity is really just an off-shoot from it. I call BS on your post.

[DRex]

14. Not that they are to blame....

but that fundamentally, their religions are no different. How they chose to practise them may be, but the text is the same. Read Deuteronomy. It's in there.

We are saved from this kind of barbarism not by moderate religion, but by living in a secular post-enlightenment democracy.

Religion is a scourge.

[bighart]

20. When was the last time you read about

a Jewish or Christian mob stoning someone to death either here or abroad? I won't disagree that fundamentalism in ANY form is bad and leads to oppression, marginalization and often death to those who disagree. I just do not see what Judaism or Christianity have to do with the OP or why you needed to bring them into it.

[kestrel91316]

114. Dominionists/christian reconstructionists, who are the force behind the

upsurge in Christian fundamentalism's power in US politics of late, indeed advocate for a return to the Old Testament laws about stoning gays, adulterers, recalcitrant children, and presumably eaters of shellfish and wearers of fiber blends as well. They don't come right out and say as much, because that would turn people off. But it underlies their motives - they want an end to the Constitution and a return to "biblical law".

[jmowreader]

125. I think they're okay with shellfish nowadays

Not often discussed: Catfish are also unclean. Saith Leviticus 11:10--

And allthat have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you.

Catfish have no scales, hence they are an abomination, but the local fundamentalist churches seem to have no problem with catfish suppers and oyster roasts.

[snagglepuss]

128. Talk is cheap. Where's the stoning?

[leftynyc]

145. Has any elected official put forth a bill

to codify old testament punishments? Unless that happens, you're talking apples and oranges.

[humblebum]

76. How then do you explain the fact that more people died

under atheist dictatorships than from ALL religious wars in history combined? I am much more convinced that it is a matter of human extremism than one of religion.

[DRex]

80. Where did you get your numbers?

They sound made up. Anyway, never in my life have I been in favour of dictatorships, atheist or otherwise, so I won't be defending them, thank you very much.

The reason western Jews and Christians don't go around burning people all that regularly anymore is that secular values have become more powerful than any justification for violence that can be found littered throughout the old and new testaments.

I'm not saying that religious people are bad people, not at all, but the teachings of their texts are largely immoral, and so when they are governed by them they end up doing wicked things to other human beings. Like stonings, or bombing abortion clinics, or bombing schools in Gaza.

You are right, it is, by and large, extremist individuals who carry out these acts. But when they say they do it in the name of God, I believe them. Nowhere in the godless texts that I hold dear could I find justification to act in such a way.

[humblebum]

83. Well, it's no secret. Guinness Book of Records, RJ Rummel ,

Solzhenitsyn. No religious groups involved excwpt on the receiving end. Estimated 130 million + from 1917-1989.

[DRex]

94. as opposed to.....?

[humblebum]

95. ????? nt

[DRex]

96. You said:

"How then do you explain the fact that more people died under atheist dictatorships than from ALL religious wars in history combined?"

You must know, then, the total number of people killed in ALL religious wars in history combined.

Again, I'm not here to defend dictatorships of any type, but your argument is a bit Mickey Mouse.

[humblebum]

97. I don't see anything Mickey Mouse about the argument at all.

If one is trying to make the argument that religion is the major cause of atrocities in the world, then pointing out that it largely was not is very relevant and necessary; and it also fairly demonstrates that human fanaticism and extremism is the main culprit, regardless of group or cultural affiliation. when you read in the OT about all of the war and brutalities that transpired, do you realize that the entire world at that time - religious or not, operated in such a manner. Your ancestors and mine.

[DRex]

99. Of course religion is not the the source of all evil...

I would never make such a claim. You are right, we all have it in us.

But religion is a source of conflict and exacerbates bad situations. Supernatural claims and divine license are too often the bedfellows of ignorance and hatred. Religion has laid waste to the finest accomplishments of humankind over and over again, slowing our progress down immensely. Even now it seeks to subvert the constitution, which is certainly a great accomplishment, and seeks also to deprive fellow citizens of their rights based on their sexuality. We will get past this, with the religious dragging their heels, kicking and screaming the whole way.

All I'm saying is that religion is bad and I wish we could grow out of it. Just an opinion. I know we won't change each other's minds, so I suppose we'll have to respectfully agree to disagree.

[humblebum]

104. You and I must be reading different versions of the Constitution. nt

[DRex]

106. What do you have against the constitution?

I always thought that if it could be defended, that it was a very good starting point for a nation.

[humblebum]

108. I have absolutely nothing against the Constitution, it is

the greatest document ever written by man. It guarantess all of our basic rights.

[enki23]

139. oh jesus, that's some serious scholarship right there

i mean, it's in the guinness book of world records. allegedly, anyway. and even if it isn't, i'm sure the numbers have worked out by *someone* out there, and probably to a precision rivaling that of bishop usher. i'm not being sarcastic when i say that is very precise indeed.

as for accuracy, well....

[J-Lo Biafra]

141. Links from credible sources, else I call bullshit.

[denverbill]

19. Don't know what you are 'callings BS' on.

Deuteronomy 22:22-24-
22:22 If a man be found lying with a woman married to an husband, then they shall both of them die, both the man that lay with the woman, and the woman: so shalt thou put away evil from Israel.
22:23 If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her;
22:24 Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour's wife: so thou shalt put away evil from among you.
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Either the Bible is the unedited words of God or it isn't. You can't pick and choose the Biblical laws you want to accept and practice. Jesus, as you may recall, stopped a stoning of an adulterous woman. But the stoners were only carrying out the Biblically prescribed punishment.

[bighart]

22. This is what I found to be out of place:

"By rights, fundamentalist Jews and Christians should agree with this punishment."
It is the assigning of association or blame without merit to two non-related groups. Leave that out I don't have a problem with it.

[nyc 4 Biden]

32. The New Testament..

tells Christians to move from the "eye-for-an-eye" mindset in the Old Testament to the more peaceful "turn-the-other-cheek" perspective.

[denverbill]

50. Yes it does. Unfortunately, many fundamentalists don't take that to heart.

For example, the large percentage of fundamentalist Christians who support the death penalty.

I'm not talking about all Christians, just to be clear. I'm talking about the 'Christians' who pray for Obama's death. The 'Christians' who think homeless people don't deserve any help. The 'Christians' who want to 'nuke Mecca'. The 'Christians' who think that material riches are the way to get closer to God.

A more truly Christian nation would make sure that the sick and the poor are provided for before they worry about cutting taxes for those who have more money than any human could possibly use. A more Christian nation would let a 75 year old man retire in relative comfort rather than forcing him to bag groceries and collect shopping carts in the snow. A more Christian nation would provide shelter, even to those who 'choose' to be drunks, drug addicts, and vagrants, because it's the Christian thing to do.

And it's funny that those who rail the loudest about liberals' alleged 'attacks' against Christianity and Christmas, are generally the same ones who ignore 90% of Christ's teachings and embrace Old Testament teachings on crime and punishment and Libertarian/social Darwinian economic policies.

[nyc 4 Biden]

67. couldn't agree more. n/t

[snagglepuss]

129. Only wacko fundies believe the Bible is the unedited word of God, so

you're the one spouting crap.

[kestrel91316]

113. The Old Testament was written by the Jews. The Christians and

Muslims hold the Old Testament to be the word of God also.

All three religions share in the guilt.

[Name removed]

130. Deleted message

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[JonQ]

51. Only made it to post 4

before "well christianity is just as bad".

[denverbill]

56. What is the Christian penalty for adultery?

It is one of the Ten Commandments. We kill murderers, we jail thieves and perjurers. Adultery comes right after murder and before stealing in the list. Can it be that be that one of the proscribed behaviors, one which was worthy of death by stoning in the days of Abraham and Moses, doesn't even merit a misdemeanor today? Do fundamentalist Christians now think it's unworthy of earthly punishment, and if so, what changed for adultery that didn't change for murder?

All I said was that, by rights, fundamentalist Christians and Jews should agree with that punishment, because that is what is set down, in God's own words according to fundamentalists, in the Bible. Yet in this 'Christian' nation, penalties for adultery range from life in prison in Michigan to nothing in most states.

[Princess Turandot]

59. Err..they think it's a sin? Between the 'sinner' and God?

"Yet in this 'Christian' nation, penalties for adultery range from life in prison in Michigan to nothing in most states."

What states prosecute adultery as crime? Has anyone been locked up for 'adultory' in the US in recent memory? I have to assume that you know of such cases based upon your statement. Unless you are confusing adultery with sodomy; there are some states which have such laws on the books, which have been rendered completely meaningless by SCOTUS decisions.

[denverbill]

71. Well, what gives fundamentalist Christians the right to re-interpret God's own writing?

My original post in this thread was just that the Muslims were using the Biblically prescribed punishment for adultery and that fundamentalists should agree with it, because it is what the Bible prescribes.

Nowhere in the Bible does it mention adultery is now a non-capital sin, so why are fundies, who believe the Bible is the actual word of God, not in agreement with the Bible's prescribed punishment for adultery?

[JonQ]

74. So you're pissed that christians and jews

have moved on from their barbaric middle eastern practices, but pleased that muslims have not. Huh?

[denverbill]

75. No, I'm pissed that fundamentalists want us to return to those practices.n/t

[JonQ]

77. Like who?

Where is this big movement to return to stoning adulterers to death?

[denverbill]

79. Christian reconstructionists.

However, in some areas the application of theonomy could increase the authority of the civil government; prominent advocates of Christian Reconstructionism have written that according to their understanding, God's law approves of the death penalty not only for murder, but also for propagators of idolatry<3><4><5>, active homosexuals<6>, adulterers, practitioners of witchcraft, and blasphemers<7>, and perhaps even recalcitrant youths<8> (see the List of capital crimes in the Bible).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Reconstructionism#cite_note-2

[JonQ]

87. Name them

actual christians who are seriously pushing for this return to the dark ages (or modern day middle east).

[denverbill]

89. If you bothered to read the link or any of the texts referenced in the link, you can find your own

names.

http://reason.com/archives/1998/11/01/invitation-to-a-stoning

<snip>
Jerry Falwell wrote an article which criticized Christian Reconstructionism, the influential movement led by theologian Rousas John (R.J.) Rushdoony, for advocating positions that even they as committed fundamentalists found "scary." Among Reconstructionism's highlights, the article cited support for laws "mandating the death penalty for homosexuals and drunkards." The Rev. Rushdoony fired off a letter to the editor complaining that the article had got his followers' views all wrong: They didn't intend to put drunkards to death.

Ah, yes, accuracy does count. In a world run by Rushdoony followers, sots would escape capital punishment--which would make them happy exceptions indeed. Those who would face execution include not only gays but a very long list of others: blasphemers, heretics, apostate Christians, people who cursed or struck their parents, females guilty of "unchastity before marriage," "incorrigible" juvenile delinquents, adulterers, and (probably) telephone psychics. And that's to say nothing of murderers and those guilty of raping married women or "betrothed virgins." Adulterers, among others, might meet their doom by being publicly stoned--a rather abrupt way for the Clinton presidency to end.
</snip>

or from Wiki

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rousas_John_Rushdoony

Rousas John Rushdoony (25 April 1916 – 8 February 2001) was a Calvinist philosopher, historian, and theologian and is widely credited as the father of Christian Reconstructionism and an inspiration for the modern Christian homeschool movement.<1><2> His prolific writings have exerted considerable influence on the Christian right.<3>
<snip>

Rushdoony's most important area of writing, however, was law and politics, as expressed in his small book of popular essays Law & Liberty and discussed in much greater detail in his three volume, 1894-page magnum opus, The Institutes of Biblical Law. With a title modeled after Calvin's Institutes of the Christian Religion, Rushdoony's Institutes was arguably his most influential work. In the book, he proposed that Old Testament law should be applied to modern society and that there should be a Christian theonomy, a concept developed in his colleague Greg Bahnsen's controversial tome Theonomy and Christian Ethics, which Rushdoony heartily endorsed. In the Institutes, Rushdoony supported the reinstatement of the Mosaic law's penal sanctions. Under such a system, the list of civil crimes which carried a death sentence would include homosexuality, adultery, incest, lying about one's virginity, bestiality, witchcraft, idolatry or apostasy, public blasphemy, false prophesying, kidnapping, rape, and bearing false witness in a capital case.

<snip>

[JonQ]

111. So it's a policy condemned by one of the most prominent christian leaders

in the US. Yeah, that is comparable to it being law and frequently practiced.

[kestrel91316]

116. Dominionists also have a stated policy of hiding their true goals until they get

enough numbers into positions of power that they can then change this country into what THEY want, which is a nation operated solely under biblical law and not under Constitutional law.

You deny global warming and you deny the fact of dominionism. My guess is you ARE one of them.

[JonQ]

118. Yes, those evil christians are taking over

that's why we have regular stonings in the streets. We are no different than the middle east, worse in fact!

You are a hysteric, so it's no surprise that you are freaking out over this non-existant threat as well.

[kestrel91316]

120. I'm not badmouthing christians. I am badmoughing Christian reconstructionists.

If you are so unhappy on DU, judging how you HATE all of us Dems, why the fuck are you here? LEAVE.

[JonQ]

122. You have joined in on an argument

equating christians with those people who routinely stone others to death. Sorry, but that's the side you've chosen.

" If you are so unhappy on DU"

Who said I was unhappy on here? Don't put words in my mouth.

"judging how you HATE all of us Dems"

There are few people I hate. I pity and laugh at a great many idiots, of all political stripes. But I don't hate that many people at all, certainly not "all Dems" as you claim.

"why the fuck are you here? LEAVE."

I consider it my duty to try to impart some wisdom on the few misguided individuals here. A thankless job I know, but worth it in a way.

:rofl:

[leftynyc]

147. Why are you even comparing the two?

One involves a GOVERNMENT (such as it is) to some loud crazies with no power. And you're doing it for stupid reasons.

[kestrel91316]

115. Dominionists/christian reconstructionists. They want the bible to be the law of

the land, not the Constitution.

[JonQ]

119. And they have authority?

A large voting block, actual legislature that they are backing that returns us to biblical times?

Yeah, you're trying to compare a tiny minority with no power who may want a theocracy, to actual theocracies.

Essentially like saying: we have people who would like to resurrect nazi germany in the US (who are marginalized, ridiculed and have no power) ergo we are no different than the actual nazi germany.

That is your argument in a nutshell and it is absurd.

[snagglepuss]

131. Brilliant retort.

:applause:

[riderinthestorm]

138. Sarah Palin went from zero to Fox media hero in a year.

Sorry but after GW Bush, I don't discount any shithead, "absurd", power hungry, theocrat who is savvy in the ways of media manipulation.

America/Americans right now are fucked. up. in regards to our religiosity, the separation of church and state, our positions on the rule of law as it relates to civil rights (gay marriage, warrantless wiretapping etc.), torture, media saturation of propaganda, and a whole host of other issues.

The Family is real. It's agenda is theocracy. It's powerful.

I do believe there are people out there, powerful people, with terrible theocratic agendas. Dismiss them at your peril.

[leftynyc]

146. Really? Who?

Which elected government official (and not some whacko with a website) has called for biblical punishments? Your argument is non-sensical. In Somalia, the GOVERNMENT punished these adulterers - comparing that to some small subset of Christians who hold no power is moronic.

[struggle4progress]

61. "Rabbi, this woman was caught in adultery. The law commands us to stone her. And what do you say?"

... He bent and wrote in the dirt with his finger. They kept asking. He rose up and said ‘Let the sinless among you throw the first stone." And again He bent and wrote on the ground. And one by one, they went away ... "Where are they, woman? Have none condemned you?" She answered, "Not one." And He said, "Neither do I condemn you ...

[nyc 4 Biden]

68. I have heard some interpretations of that scripture ...

...which believe Jesus may have been writing in the dirt the sins of those holding the stones before they learned their lesson and left. Interesting.

[struggle4progress]

64. Since the Michigan adultery laws have long been unenforced, any attempt to apply them would

be vacated on grounds of selective enforcement. And these archaic unenforced laws provided for one year year prison sentence, not life

[JonQ]

73. You're right

in christian nations adulterers, thieves and perjurers are killed all the time, today, so that is totally relevant.

[totodeinhere]

90. If Christians or Jews stoned someone to death for adultery, I would be against that too.

But I don't know of any case in modern history when that has happened. Do you? As far as I know it has happened in Muslim countries only. So I don't see how the fact that a literal interpretation of Christian and Jewish scriptures would allow this barbarism is relevant, because Christians and Jews aren't doing it in spite of what the Old Testament says on the subject.

[marshall]

98. Many Christians believe Christ "fulfilled" the law of Moses

That's there rationale for the difference between things were done back then and the way Judeo-Christian civilization has evolved today.

Fortunately not too many cultures are practicing a centuries old version of Christianity, at least not on an organized state level.

[marshall]

117. Luckily even fundamentalist Jews and Christians aren't living in the 9th century

Laws have changed significantly in Europe over the last millenia.

[snagglepuss]

127. But they don't, do they? Both Jews and Christians regardless of their

stripes haven't stoned people for centuries. How come?

[leftynyc]

144. And which country's government

uses old testament to decide on criminal punishment? Stop with the relativism - it's embarassing.

[AndrewP]

7. All of them. Agreed.

[superconnected]

16. There's plenty of murder without religion involved. This is Man at his finest when he is severely

uneducated.

[MNDemNY]

29. Is that your best defense of religion???

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[superconnected]

33. I'm a Buddhist. Are you 8 years old? I expect your behavior from an ignorant child.

[Name removed]

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[superconnected]

36. Actually because your post is worthy of an ass, I'm sticking you on ignore.

I doubt you have anything worthy to read.

[MNDemNY]

37. i'm fucking heartbroken.

Being ignored by a foolish theist!!

[Princess Turandot]

60. Ready to retire in North Korea?

The human rights abuses of the 20th Century by the 'post-Enlightement' Communist states - all of which banned the free practice of religion - are collectively in a class of their own. Want murderers? Mao. Stalin. Pol Pot. Kim Jong Il. To name a few.

Feel free to roll on the floor laughing. Just keep in mind that if you were to piss off the ruling powers in those anti-theist states, your head might be rolling in a different direction than the rest of you. Literally.

[uppityperson]

18. another example of fundamentalism at its finest.eom

[MNDemNY]

31. Tomato, tomato.

[uppityperson]

57. Not all people who have a religion are fundamentalist. eom

[AlphaCentauri]

69. that's true, Catholics are not fundamentalist

[uppityperson]

82. Some are, some are not. There are fundies in all religions, but all religious people are not fundies

[Tsar_Bomba]

24. yup no religion no problem

[cali]

26. please tell me you were being sarcastic.

[MNDemNY]

30. I was not.

[cali]

34. Then let me take this opportunity to explain something truly basic:

Religion is merely an extension of human nature. If it weren't expressed in religion, it would be expressed in another way.

[MNDemNY]

40. Religion is a tool to control the controllable.

Always has been, always will be. Theists are, by definition, ignorant.

[cali]

43. lol. what does that have to do with my point?

Sorry, Religion was still created by humans. It arose out of human nature. It's merely a vehicle.

[Abq_Sarah]

137. For that matter

So is government.

[superconnected]

39. Wow. You miss most of the killings don't you. Most aren't religion driven.

And I mean even the mass ones!

[MNDemNY]

41. That all you got???

silly theist.

[proteus_lives]

48. Always nice to see hate from a DUer.

Silly atheist.

[MNDemNY]

55. Disgust is not hate.

[unabelladonna]

52. agree...

nothing is more divisive. while some have managed to crawl their way to the 18th century, there are some who haven't progressed past the 12th.

[Deja Q]

100. Well, religion has its bad moments, but I'd like to know why he committed adultery

some issues, usually around money, are far easier to forgive than what affects the trust you put into another person. Cheating invites heartache, oh and disease too.

I think that's why someone invented religion. To help slow down STDs and heartache.

I can't think of a case where cheating is justified...

[Arugula Latte]

3. Gawd, humans are a messed up species.

I'm very surprised that they didn't kill the woman, even though she was unmarried.

[notadmblnd]

5. What can you say to something like that?

it's just wrong and I could never comprehend the mentality of religious nuts in seeing this as anything less than barbaric.

[Ozymanithrax]

6. Who the hell are "Militants for adultery?"

Damn silly title for a serious article.

[nomorenomore08]

46. That's the problem with awkward passive-voice constructions...

:shrug:

[balantz]

11. Who can say for sure if these photos are real? How do we know it isn't staged?

Give them each a wad of cash for acting out a scene and make propaganda that supports future military actions by the imperialist west? The photos look fishy to me.

[Rebubula]

13. Skepticism is healthy...

...until it makes you look foolish.

There are many reported and photo documented incidents of stoning in that region recently.

But feel free to don your tin-foil hat...

ON EDIT...looked at your profile and the website link on your post. Tin-Foil is standard I guess.

[balantz]

15. Links to those stories please? They can be scrutinized too. I ALWAYS question MSM. n/t

[Rebubula]

21. Links

http://www.unmultimedia.org/radio/english/detail/86540.html

http://www.africa.upenn.edu/Newsletters/SNU_28.html (third article down)

http://womensphere.wordpress.com/2008/11/03/victim-of-stoning-in-somalia-was-13-year-girl-whose-report-of-being-raped-led-to-adultery-charges/

http://www.apostatesofislam.com/media/stoning.htm

http://atheistnews.blogs.fi/2009/05/06/a-man-stoned-to-death-again-in-iran-6068016/

It happens.

I can almost understand your skepticism concerning 9-11 ---- but the existence of stoning deaths is rather irrefutable.

[balantz]

25. Thanks for the links. I didn't deny that there is stoning carried out. But any of the links can also

be questioned for their authenticity, and should be. Just simply accepting what corporate media shows and tells is dangerous. Propaganda is pervasive.

The pics in the O.P. still look fake to me.

What of the actions by the west in Iraq? Or Af/Pak?

Dronings, stonings, who can say which is worse?

[Rebubula]

27. Human atrocities

What of the actions by the west in Iraq? Or Af/Pak?

Dronings, stonings, who can say which is worse?



Both are horrible and both can be pointed out and highlighted without downplaying the other.

I freely condemn the actions of US military in Iraq as well as the actions of violent assholes in the stoning pictures. The extent of an abuse does not preclude me from condemning a lesser-scale event.

[balantz]

17. On your edit: and Goldman Sachs is our friend. And Bin Laden is the boogie man. BOO! n/t

[superconnected]

23. You are right to question. With an Iran war possibility, islamic hate propaganda isn't

off the table. I think what will happen is real events will hit front page news in our country that normally wouldn't get press, and not that they'll make up stuff though.

This is fishy for two reasons -1 it's a man, 2- they're showing us the pictures. Where are the pics of all the women that have died this way? Interesting it shows up now. Still, I'm glad when this stuff does get press.

[proteus_lives]

49. Wow. Is your tinfoil on too tight?

[SemperEadem]

12. well, Tiger Woods should be glad he's not a Somali

there are plenty of people in this country who would think that this is appropriate punishment--you know, the Nancy Graces of the world who can't think of nothing else but where Tiger puts his penis.

oh, and for those who are saracastically challenged ::sarcasm::

[alfredo]

28. I saw an old woman being stoned in Adua Ethiopia. A priest was part of the mob.

We were outnumbered, unarmed, and didn't know the circumstances, guilt, or innocence of the condemned. Our ranking NCO told the driver to keep driving. So we left that grisly scene. The memory returns from time to time.

[tabasco]

66. What unit were you with and where?

I spent a lot of time there.

[alfredo]

72. Kagnew Station up in Asmara Eritrea.

05H20 from 66-69

[moroni]

84. 05H20

I was a hog at the 7th RRFS in 75.

[alfredo]

88. Welcome home brother. Thailand. I was lucking getting the 4th USASAFS

It was a plum assignment. It was so far from headquarters, they never bothered with us. We did get investigated for possible black market booze, but they found we were actually drinking that much.


http://web.mac.com/alfredo_tomato/Kagnew_Images/Kagnew_page_1.html

We are chapter 10
http://www.amazon.com/Didnt-Do-You-Betrayed-African/dp/0060780932

we are mentioned in reference to the USS Liberty murders.

http://www.amazon.com/Body-Secrets-Ultra-Secret-National-Security/dp/0385499086/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1261001004&sr=1-1

[tabasco]

102. I was all over that damn country.

Spent two Xmas's and new years in that fuckin place.

When I was there, if we saw anybody with a weapon, we had a fight.

Of course, I never traveled with anything less than a platoon. Usually two or three.




Beautiful beaches. I can't believe no corporation has gone in there and just taken over the place with a private army.

---Just went to google maps and thought Afgooye sounded familiar. Believe it or not, we did a 20 ship air assault on that place. No bad guys but we found a bunch of weapons.

[Odin2005]

38. More fucknuttery of the evil that is organized religion.

[Dorian Gray]

65. I don't know how organized

the religion is in Somalia. Everything is so chaotic and crazy there.

This story is just extraordinarily sad. I couldn't look at the photos.

[slackmaster]

42. Brutal and barbaric at best

Fuck letting religion govern people.

[bighart]

44. Yeah because drone attacks by the military are so much more civilized.

[slackmaster]

45. Especially when authorized by a Democratic President and funded by a Democratic Congress

:nuke:

[superconnected]

47. His arms are in the ground so he can't protect his face. How horrifying.

[JonQ]

53. This is very unusual

typically the woman gets stoned to death, the man gets off scot-free.

Of course we can't criticize, in the bible . . . and in the torah . . . and during the crusades . . . and slavery . . . and so on.

[cowcommander]

54. Well, at least they're consistent

[alp227]

58. Cheating is bad, but this is much worse

I wonder if prison is any better a punishment for being unfaithful to your lover. Sure, whenever you cheat on your spouse, you pretty much make your spouse a victim, but what is a "compassionate" punishment?

As the United States does, it's just let the people decide what they do with their relationships. Government shouldn't step in until there's REAL physical harm (such as domestic violence).

[Imagevision]

63. Good thing Tiger doesn't live there...

[slackmaster]

70. Would they pelt him to death with golf balls?

Or just clobber him with clubs until he stops breathing.

[Popular Front]

78. Nauseating

Barbarism. Pure barbarism.

[KillCapitalism]

81. The morality police exist in all shades and ideologies.

To religious extremists, the adulterer is an immoral, depraved individual.

To secular moralists, the adulterer is an enemy of the state/society.

[Nye Bevan]

86. Yes. Adulterers and homosexuals are regularly executed in Vatican City

Oh, wait a minute. No they're not.

[ronnie624]

103. And Muslims from Somalia regularly invade, destroy and plunder other countries,

murdering hundreds of thousands in the process, just like the 'moderate' Christians of Western democracies.

Oh, wait a minute. No they don't

[Nye Bevan]

105. Of course they don't.

They are much too busy stoning people to death for adultery and homosexuality to do things like that.

[ronnie624]

110. Absolutely!

They're far too backward and barbaric now. But perhaps one day they will become sufficiently 'civilized' to attain our level of efficiency at mass murder and rapine.

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[totodeinhere]

91. The PC police are going to get you. n/t

[superconnected]

92. There's a big difference between modern progressive Islamic people and these

3rd world stuck in the past Islamic people. Just like there's a big difference between most Christians now from what they were in the 600's. It's not Islams fault. It's poverty, un-education, hostile rule by patriarchal war lords, etc. Believe it or not you find terrible cruelty to other humans whenever these factors collide. Religion is an excuse. The problem is man.

[snagglepuss]

132. That is BS about the 3rd world. Saudi Arabia has been stepping up hunt for witches

and has them on death row. Saudi religious police have arrested a popular Lebanese psychic, Ali Sibat, and a Saudi court has sentenced him to death for practicing witchcraft. Saudi Arabia is not a 3rd world country.

snip

Sibat’s case is not unique. Dozens of people are arrested each year on charges like witchcraft, recourse to supernatural beings, black magic and fortune telling. These practices are considered polytheistic and severely punished according to Sharia rules.

HRW’s (Human Rights Watch) report also mentioned the case of Mustafa Ibrahim, an Egyptian pharmacist who was executed on 2 November 2007 for sorcery, which he allegedly used to break up a married couple.

http://www.asianews.it/index.php?l=en&art=16970&size=A



http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/babylonbeyond/2009/11/saudi-arabia-kingdom-steps-up-hunt-for-witches-and-black-magicians-.html

[Deja Q]

101. You forgot an important one:

Islam:
Declares usury immoral in the eyes of God


Christianity:
Well, they used to be against it too, but the modern day preachers tend to avoid those particular passages. Can't imagine why...



Oops, sorry for supporting Islam... as with all things, nothing is ever as one-sided as we want them to be.

[Nye Bevan]

121. Never heard of "Islamic Banking"?

The bankers found a way to get around the "Usury is Immoral" thing. And they basically bribe the Imams to sign off on all their loophole. Just Google "Islamic Banking".

[snagglepuss]

133. Oddly lots of loopholes around usury. Adulterers and witches not so lucky.

How do you think Dubai has been financed?

[closeupready]

107. Meanwhile, burning witches at the stake never happened, according to the Vatican.

n/t

[snagglepuss]

134. Saudi Arabia has been stepping up its hunt for witches. One recently executed another

on death row.

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[fbahrami]

93. Finally, gender equality under Islam!

Ok, sorry, it's just a bad joke about a sore subject.

[Abq_Sarah]

140. Actually, even the stoning is unequal

Men are buried from the waist down with their hands free. Women are buried from their shoulders down with their arms pinned under the dirt. The reason being, if the accused can dig their way out before they're killed, they get to go free. It's designed to ensure the women will never be able to accomplish that.

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[kestrel91316]

112. Oh, well I'm sure he's the ONLY man in Somalia who's committed adultery of late.......

Actually, I betcha those throwing the stones have done the same, or worse. RW freaks are the same the world over.

[m3e92man8850]

124. fucked up assholes

[Prometheus Bound]

126. Western reports say stoned for ADULTERY, but a Somali interviewee says for RAPE.

Somalia: 2 men simultaneously killed in Afgoi district

Sunday 13 December 2009 SMC
The administration of Hizbul-Islam a rival faction in Somalia has on Sunday killed 2 men in an open ground at Afgoi district in the lower shabelle region in southern Somalia.

One of the men who were killed was found guilty on charge against rape, while the other was convicted of stabbing another man in Afgoi district.

Ahmed who is the man who shot dead has earlier stabbed another man in the town of Afgoi after along quarrel between them, while the second man Mohammed Abukar Ibrahim who was stoned to death has deliberately raped a woman” said Issack Ahmed a resident in Afgoi town speaking to Somaliweyn Website instantly after the two men were executed.

The two men faced two different penalties one was shot dead while the other was stoned to death.

The two penalties of the two men was carried out in an open ground were hundreds of the resident of Afgoi district turnout to witness what was taking place in their district.

It is not the first time for the Islamists in Somalia to conduct such acts. It was sometimes last month when a woman who was found guilty of adultery was executed in the village of Elbon in Bakool region in northwest of the capital Mogadishu.

And when it come stoning a person to death the one which automatically comes into the minds of the Somali people is the incident when a young girl of 13 was stoned to death in the town of Kismayo some 500km south of the Somali capital Mogadishu.

Mohammed Omar Hussein+2521-5519235 [e-mail]
http://www.somaliweyn.org/pages/news/Dec_09/13Dec20.html

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[apocalypsehow]

136. Some of the OP replies are unbelievable: "this is okay because Bush invaded Iraq" type stuff.

Distorted tu quoque silliness at its most disgusting.

:thumbsdown:

[ButterflyBlood]

142. Logical reasoning isn't the strong suit of some here

A minority thankfully, but a too vocal one.

[leftynyc]

143. And people just stood there

Wonderful. And the women gets 100 lashes. What a shithole.