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steven johnson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 06:23 AM
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Greater sea-level rise from warming predicted
Edited on Thu Dec-17-09 06:29 AM by steven johnson
Source: Washington Post

By Juliet Eilperin
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, December 17, 2009

COPENHAGEN -- A new paper published online Wednesday in the journal Nature suggests that the world may face a long-term sea-level rise of 20 to 30 feet, even under a modest global temperature rise.

The study -- by Princeton and Harvard researchers -- focuses on a period known as the last interglacial stage, which occurred about 125,000 years ago. At that time, temperatures at the two poles were likely warmer than today by five to nine degrees Fahrenheit, which is what scientists expect could happen again if the average global temperature warms four to six degrees above pre-industrial levels.

The scientists collected 50 indicators of geological sea level from that time, including beach sediment and coral samples, and developed a statistical approach so they could compare them to each other. After factoring in how both the sea surface and the earth's surface responds to pressure from ice sheets, they determined a global temperature rise of 3.6 Fahrenheit would likely commit the planet to a long-term sea-level rise of at least 21.6 feet and possibly more.

The findings are significant because the estimate is higher than previous projections, which put the sea-level increase at between 13 and 20 feet at 3.6 degrees Fahrenheit, or two degrees Celsius, which is the temperature rise threshold that policymakers are hoping not to cross if they can seal a climate deal in Copenhagen.



Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/12/16/AR2009121604191.html?hpid=topnews#



Everyone in your swim trunks!

Surf's up!

Good bye, Florida!


As part of the study, the researchers compiled an extensive database of geological sea level indicators for a period known as the last interglacial stage about 125,000 years ago. Polar temperatures during this stage were likely 3 to 5 degrees Celsius (5 to 9 degrees Fahrenheit) warmer than today, as is expected to occur in the future if temperatures reach about 2 to 3 degrees Celsius (about 4 to 6 degrees Fahrenheit) above pre-industrial levels.

"The last interglacial stage provides a historical analog for futures with a fairly moderate amount of warming; the high sea levels during the stage suggest that significant chunks of major ice sheets could disappear over a period of centuries in such futures," Kopp said. "Yet if the global economy continues to depend heavily on fossil fuels, we're on track to have significantly more warming by the end of century than occurred during the last interglacial. I find this somewhat worrisome."

Oppenheimer added, "Despite the uncertainties inherent in such a study, these findings should send a strong message to the governments negotiating in Copenhagen that the time to avoid disastrous outcomes may run out sooner than expected."

The researchers determined through their analysis that there is a 95 percent probability that, during the last interglacial stage, global sea level peaked more than 6.6 meters (22 feet) above its present level. They further found that it is unlikely (with a 33 percent probability) that global sea level during this period exceeded 9.4 meters (31 feet).

Sea levels during the last interglacial stage are of interest to scientists and important to policymakers for several reasons. Most notably, the last interglacial stage is relatively recent by geological standards, making it feasible for climate scientists to develop a credible sea level record for the period, and is the most recent time period when average global temperatures and polar temperatures were somewhat higher than today. Because it was slightly warmer, the period can help scientists understand the stability of polar ice sheets and the future rate of sea level rise under low to moderate global warming scenarios.

Earth's Polar Ice Sheets Vulnerable to Even Moderate Global Warming; New Orleans, Much of Southern Florida, Expected to Be Permanently Submerged

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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 06:37 AM
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1. So, I can do without Florida or Manhattan or DC...
What else are we losing? Anything important?

:evilgrin:
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 07:01 AM
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3. Yup - Rush 'DraftDodger' Limbaugh (R) will need a new pair of rubbers
Edited on Thu Dec-17-09 07:03 AM by SpiralHawk
to help him slosh around his $100 million dollar mansion in Florida. Get your hankies ready.

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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 07:44 AM
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7. Does lard float? We could use it for a raft.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 07:08 AM
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4. And if the water level ever receeds
when the Ark reaches Manhattan they can start spreading the gnus. :)
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 09:13 AM
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8. Maybe a billion poor people
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 10:28 AM
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11. shanghai, mumbai, and bangladesh- all gone.
that's quite a few people right there.
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 09:55 AM
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9. lol
Not unless you consider Louisiana and North Carolina
important.. and other coastal areas.

Seriously, we are looking at the migration of many
millions in the near future, both here in America
and in many other areas around the world.
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FarCenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 10:49 AM
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12. Nothing of real importance -- southern LA, coast of TX, east SC/NC coastal regions
6 meter sea rise

Probably big chunks of Delmarva and south NJ, south shore of LI, and parts of Cape Cod.

A lot of unproductive areas should be turned into highly productive shallow coastal waters useful for aquaculture. Salt marshes and wetlands will move inland.
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 06:45 AM
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2. Yes. And sometime in the near future we will have climate refugees
Doesn't anyone wonder why insurance companies are refusing to write new homeowners in many parts of the country? There's your canary. They know they will have unsupportable pay-offs.

We know where these areas are. Someone responsible in the administration should start doing some actual real, open, long term planning. The US will at some point have to start being an insurance underwriter or mortgages will just stop cold in some areas. At some point someone wil have a house for sale in some coastal area, they will have a buyer who could buy in any other area, but they will be unable to get a mortgage becuase they will be unable to get insurance. Suppose that house was supposed to underwrite the retirement of the owners? Too bad, they are stuck. Suppose that was your inheritance? Too bad, all gone. You might say, well, too bad for you, you were dumb enough to buy there, except for when you realize the sheer numbers of citizens/taxpayers who will be affected. Over HALF of the American population lives within 50 miles of the coast!!!

This will be an economic disaster of incredible proportion. An incalculable dollar amount of wealth tied up in homes and businesses and cities and towns will literally go under water. And it's not just us, it's global.

My suggestion would be to actually start in an orderly manner clamly announcing that certain extreme coastal areas are now in a "containment zone" where no new further development will be allowed. The Army Corps of Engineers and the EPA have it in their power to pretty much squlech any development they don't like right now, so this is really nothing new. Issue federal insurance for the assessed value of these properties. Offer people the choice to either cash out the federal policy and move or stay in place. Let the policies be effective for twenty five years so the wind down and pay-out and displacement will be gradual.

People will start populating new areas - maybe the Buffalo Commons area of the Midwest will be the new "in" place. Modern Age people are vain to think they are not subject to the same vagaries of climate that has pushed mankind all around the globe since the beginning of time.

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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 07:19 AM
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5. Yes Virginia, there is a "Shit Creek"
Don't forget your water wings...
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 07:42 AM
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6. Florida with a 7m rise:
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FarCenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 11:15 AM
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13. If we stop hauling trash to PA and OH, we can fill marshes fast enough in NY/NJ
to keep up with the sea rise. In fact, I don't think that the sea rise map takes account of some of the existing landfills, like Kill van Kull on Staten Island, and a few more in NJ in the Meadowlands. I'd say that well over half of the land that would be inundated is currently wetlands or landfills anyway.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 10:05 AM
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10. it might submerge Sarah Palin?
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 02:13 PM
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14. About 75 meters would put my house a block from the beach
I've got my swim fins, trunks, and a catamaran handy.
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