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wpsedgwick Donating Member (130 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 01:41 PM
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Study: What the future holds for electric cars
Source: Green Technology Daily

Hundreds of thousands of electric vehicles (EVs) will be driving the world’s roadways within the next five years and 2010 will be a critical year for the emerging EV industry, according to a new white paper from Pike Research.

While the full effects of this automotive revolution will take years to be realized in the mainstream market, its impact on auto manufacturers, battery makers, utilities, and smart grid companies will be profound.

In 2015, Pike Research forecasts that drivers will have more than 5.3 million locations around the globe to plug-in and recharge their vehicles.


Read more: http://www.greentechnologydaily.com/auto/550-study-what-the-future-holds-for-electric-cars
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endless october Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 01:43 PM
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1. we need to build some serious nuclear infrastructure.
as well as wind and solar.

our current infrastructure couldn't support everyone having an electric car. in my opinion, the infrastructure should be built as the interstate highway system was built and should not be operated privately. this should be a top priority for our country.
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Auggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 01:58 PM
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2. I'd like to see some serious public transit
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endless october Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 02:13 PM
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3. wouldn't be against that myself.
however, people in many areas are going to need cars. electric seems a good way to go, at least as a transition to something else. possibly hydrogen, if it ever becomes practical.
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Auggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 06:36 PM
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15. I just hate the thought of more nuclear facilities
They're great at generating lots of energy but the storage of spent materials will forever be a problem
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endless october Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 06:49 PM
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16. don't get me wrong, i would love to see us rely on wind/hydro/solar etc.
but right now, it's nuclear or coal for the majority of it.
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 02:29 PM
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5. Nuclear is a waste of time and money
Wind is the best energy source for electric vehicles:
http://news.stanford.edu/news/2009/january7/power-010709.html

Stanford Report, December 10, 2008
Wind, water and sun beat other energy alternatives, study finds
BY LOUIS BERGERON

The best ways to improve energy security, mitigate global warming and reduce the number of deaths caused by air pollution are blowing in the wind and rippling in the water, not growing on prairies or glowing inside nuclear power plants, says Mark Z. Jacobson, a professor of civil and environmental engineering at Stanford.

And "clean coal," which involves capturing carbon emissions and sequestering them in the earth, is not clean at all, he asserts.

Jacobson has conducted the first quantitative, scientific evaluation of the proposed, major, energy-related solutions by assessing not only their potential for delivering energy for electricity and vehicles, but also their impacts on global warming, human health, energy security, water supply, space requirements, wildlife, water pollution, reliability and sustainability. His findings indicate that the options that are getting the most attention are between 25 to 1,000 times more polluting than the best available options. The paper with his findings will be published in the next issue of Energy and Environmental Science but is available online now. Jacobson is also director of the Atmosphere/Energy Program at Stanford.

<snip>

The raw energy sources that Jacobson found to be the most promising are, in order, wind, concentrated solar (the use of mirrors to heat a fluid), geothermal, tidal, solar photovoltaics (rooftop solar panels), wave and hydroelectric. He recommends against nuclear, coal with carbon capture and sequestration, corn ethanol and cellulosic ethanol, which is made of prairie grass. In fact, he found cellulosic ethanol was worse than corn ethanol because it results in more air pollution, requires more land to produce and causes more damage to wildlife.

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None of the major environmental groups support it as a solution to global warming.
It's mostly pushed by Republicans who don't believe in global warming.
The nuclear industry has a massive misinformation PR campaign:
http://www.prwatch.org/node/5833

Moore Spin: Or, How Reporters Learned to Stop Worrying and Love Nuclear Front Groups
Submitted by Diane Farsetta on March 14, 2007 - 8:52am.

"We just find it maddening that Hill & Knowlton, which has an $8 million account with the nuclear industry, should have such an easy time working the press," concluded the Columbia Journalism Review in an editorial in its July / August 2006 issue.

The magazine was rightly bemoaning the tendency of news outlets to present former Greenpeace activist Patrick Moore and former EPA chief Christine Todd Whitman as environmentalists who support nuclear power, without noting that both are paid spokespeople for a group bankrolled by the Nuclear Energy Institute (NEI). NEI represents nuclear power plant operators, plant designers, fuel suppliers and other sectors of the nuclear power industry. Hill & Knowlton is NEI's public relations firm, though it's not the only firm working to build support for nuclear power.

Thanks in part to an ongoing, multifaceted PR push -- along with very real concerns about energy prices, rising energy demand, aging infrastructure, sustainability and global warming -- nuclear power is attracting serious attention from reporters and policymakers alike. The question is whether a vital public debate over energy choices is being skewed by deep-pocketed interests with a dog in the fight.

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The nuclear power industry has been promoting itself as part of the solution to global warming for a decade. Industry representatives appeared en masse at a 1998 climate change conference in Buenos Aires, according to environmental consultant Alan Tate. "They inundated the international negotiators, including with what appeared to be a number of front groups like Students for Nuclear Power," he told reporter Liz Minchin. By 2005, nuclear industry spokespeople were "giving much more polished performances at climate meetings and negotiations."

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And then there's NEI, which exists to do PR and lobbying for the nuclear industry. In 2004, NEI was embarrassed when the Austin Chronicle outed one of its PR firms, Potomac Communications Group, for ghostwriting pro-nuclear op/ed columns. The paper described the op/ed campaign as "a decades-long, centrally orchestrated plan to defraud the nation's newspaper readers by misrepresenting the propaganda of one hired atomic gun as the learned musings of disparate academics and other nuclear-industry 'experts.'"

In January 2006, NEI signed an $8 million contract with Hill & Knowlton. The objectives included developing "a national coalition that would 'activate and expand on' existing nuclear energy supporters, engaging employees, shareholders, academics, health experts, and environmental organizations," and "'pre-empting and offsetting' criticism from opponents," wrote the Holmes Report. With the firm's help, NEI launched what is possibly its greatest PR triumph, almost exactly two years after the op/ed controversy.

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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 03:22 PM
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7. thank you for posting this
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 04:48 PM
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10.  nuclear is not green and is dangerous. No one should hope for more nuclear
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endless october Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 06:21 PM
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13. so is importing fossil fuels from hostile nations.
nuclear is less so.

good enough for France, good enough for us.
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 11:54 AM
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22. France dumps its' nuclear waste in the North Sea. We are better than that.
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KakistocracyHater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 05:35 AM
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21. nuclear requires water to cool down the reactors, in heatwaves France shut
down some n. power plants because water temperature was too high. I'd like 100 smallish cities to try taking wastewater pipes out of lakes, streams, rivers & divert to power plants that burn Human waste to generate electricity. It would achieve two goals simultaneously: reduce sewage spills & use a reliable, renewable energy source, because you can never stop pooping. I needed the stress relief :silly: what with the nightmare of health care that equals the rest of the developed world being stolen from us.
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Libertas1776 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 02:19 PM
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4. We should have electric everything...
electric cars, buses, and high speed rail networks.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 02:52 PM
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6. I'm so happy... I could DANCE!
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 03:38 PM
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8. Kicked and recommended.
Thanks for the thread, wpsedgwick.:thumbsup:
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FarCenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 04:45 PM
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9. "hundreds of thousands" out of about 240,000,000 vehicles in the US
Drop in the bucket. Completely insignificant.
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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 05:22 PM
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11. EV's would work well in tandem with solar power IMO
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One of solar power's biggest drawback is STORAGE.

Solar could charge the batteries in the EV, and have a regulator system to allow the dwelling to use 50 - 80% of the EV's stored energy for example.

The homeowner could have a control to adjust the amount of power relegated for the EV versus the dwelling - say limit use to 10% of the EV's stored power when planning a longer trip, or down to 40% if dwelling needs were more important.

The household would then require a smaller storage system, for when the vehicle is not there, and a small generator for backup.

win-win IMO

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hayu_lol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 05:48 PM
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12. This will increase the demand for electricity tremendously...
say what some of you will, nuke plants are far cleaner than coal-fired plants.

Check the existing records of pollution for both and find out.

If we use coal-fired plants to supply power for these cars...we will be going backwards.
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mbperrin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 06:58 PM
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18. Nothing cheaper than wind. Huge farms going up all around here in
west Texas, as well as a Duke Energy pilot using batteries to store power from windy days for less windy days.

Just one farm near here supplies the needs for 1/3 of all WalMarts in Texas. Seriously.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 06:26 PM
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14. some type of photovoltaic built into the skin of the car would be ideal...
the cars could self-charge in the parking lot while the owner's at work all day.
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 06:55 PM
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17. Check out this stuff... paper-thin and shapeable!
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 06:59 PM
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19. Screw nuke. We should be manufacturing huge quantities of wind turbines and selling them everywhere.
Big economic boost and more employment, and ultimately, cheap energy with zero carbon (except the manufacturing)!
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 07:28 PM
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20. the ones i've been around, i don't think i'd want too close to my home...
mostly because of the sound...

but also because of this kind of thing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAWMpxX60KM

but- there's no reason that they shouldn't be installed in non/sparsely populated areas as they are now.

and they can always keep on improving the technology as well, to make it quieter.
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