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Techn0Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 02:17 PM
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Democrats' Blues Grow Deeper in New Poll
Source: Wall Street Journal

In December's survey, for the first time, less than half of Americans approved of the job President Barack Obama was doing, marking a steeper first-year fall for this president than his recent predecessors. Also for the first time this year, the electorate was split when asked which party it wanted to see in charge after the 2010 elections. For months, a clear plurality favored Democratic control.

The survey suggests that public discontent with Mr. Obama and his party is being driven by an unusually grim view of the country's status and future prospects. A majority of Americans believe the U.S. is in decline. And a plurality now say the U.S. will be surpassed by China in 20 years as the top power.

Democrats' problems seem in part linked to their ambitious health-care plan, billed as the signature achievement of Mr. Obama's first year. Now, for the first time, more people said they would prefer Congress did nothing on health care than who wanted to see the overhaul enacted.
Following the Polls

"For Democrats, the red flags are flying at full mast," said Democratic pollster Peter Hart, who conducted the survey with Republican pollster Bill McInturff. "What we don't know for certain is: Have we reached a bottoming-out point?"

Read more: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB126100346902694549.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_MIDDLENexttoWhatsNewsTop



Why is the Democratic Party shooting itself in the feet like this??
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 02:24 PM
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1. Now the right wing FAUX News owned WSJ is worth posting?
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Techn0Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 02:31 PM
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5. Granted the WSJ is A Murdock rag now but the poll was a joint one with NBC...
Edited on Thu Dec-17-09 02:31 PM by Techn0Girl
and I believe is also backed up by a Rasmussen poll as well as others
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/34451672/ns/politics-white_house/

Look, I dislike Murdock Inc. as much as any Progressive but the we ignore the verified facts , from any source, at our own peril.
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mac56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 02:35 PM
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6. Polls = "verified facts"?
Really.
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Techn0Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 02:51 PM
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10. There were polls form various sources and they had roughly the same numbers. Those are facts, yes.
Just because you disagree with them does not by itself mean they are invalid or non-factually based.
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mac56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 02:59 PM
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14. The only "factual" thing about any poll is that somebody asked a question
and someone else responded.

Just because you choose to believe the results doesn't mean they represent any sort of verifiable "facts".
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 02:55 PM
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12. I agree we should not ignore this, but NBC and Rasmussen are pro-Republican, too.
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Psephos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 02:37 PM
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7. I agree completely. We should only post polls that make us look good.
An easy way to tell the difference between a sound, trustworthy poll conducted by an unbiased truth-seeking pollster, and one conducted by shills and hacks in service to propaganda, is that it shows our views consistently being approved by a majority.

Right? ;)
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 02:42 PM
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8. I think sticking with realiable sources that don't have a partisan agenda is a good start
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 02:52 PM
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11. Name 3 sources that have no partisan agenda. Please. They are all either pro-Republican or pro-
Democrat; and most of them are pro-Republican. Some are worse than others, but I cannot think of one news source that is neutral.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 02:56 PM
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13. Post it, but noting a bias is useful.
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Psephos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 11:47 PM
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24. That's my position as well. n/t
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mac56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 02:24 PM
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2. I'm not as worried as some might be.
"But public displeasure with Democrats wasn't translating directly into warmth for Republicans. Twenty-eight percent of voters expressed positive feelings about the GOP -- a number that has remained constant through the Democrats' decline over the summer and fall. Only 5% said their feelings toward the Republicans were very positive."
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 02:30 PM
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4. The publics disdain for the GOP includes the Democratic party's embrace of the GOP agenda
That is why the Obama brand in falling.
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Goldstein1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 02:27 PM
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3. The bottoming out point?
Jobless "recovery"...
Home foreclosures...
Escalating in Afghanistan...
Still in Iraq...
Widening gap between rich and poor...
Government of Wall Street, by Wall Street, and for Wall Street...

No, we haven't reached the bottoming out point.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 02:46 PM
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9. been a rough past few weeks...
and i've been thoroughly pissed, but i still believe that when Obama's time ends and we look at the bottom line, he will have many more positive than negative achievements...I had ugly-feeling stretches like this during the Clinton years, and at the end those turned out fine IMO...
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 03:01 PM
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15. Except for not reacting enough to terrorist attacks on the US abroad, signing Glass Steagall,
Edited on Thu Dec-17-09 03:09 PM by No Elephants
putting bj's in high school history books and thereby paving the way for a neo theo, and a few things like that, it was apple blossom time.

On edit: Still better than Bush, though.

And I meant signing the repeal of Glass Steagall.
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placton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 03:19 PM
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16. roflmao
now, thanks for my laugh of the day!!! Suuuuuuuure he will
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placton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 03:21 PM
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17. NAFTA gutted american jobs
is that part of the "fine" result?
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 06:54 PM
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21. of course not...
i didn't say it was ALL gravy, but on the whole the Clinton years were more positive than negative...we can agree on that, right?
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 03:28 PM
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18. "A majority of Americans believe the U.S. is in decline."
Unfortunately, that's the reality of the situation- and with the US Senate remaining a corrupt, undemocratic institution that subjects itself to archaic rules, the nation's left unable to effectively respond to its challenges in a timely manner.
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 04:54 PM
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19. Self-inflicted wound.
And the trigger was pulled not by LIEberman or Nelson, nor by Rethuglicans, rather by the Dem leadership's caving to the afore-mentioned.
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askeptic Donating Member (117 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 06:08 PM
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20. Well, people wanted change
But their disappointment is that the Republicans still seem to be in charge. Wars,Patriot Act, concealing information, and gutting health care to turn it into an Insurance Company benefit program. And just because the people are disappointed with the Democrats, they know the Republicans are no alternative. That's what has ME depressed...
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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 07:45 PM
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22. so some corporate junta owns the government, bummer hu?
Edited on Thu Dec-17-09 07:46 PM by natrat
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 07:54 PM
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23. No surprise. People are disgusted and need JOBS. n/t
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New Dawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 11:51 PM
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25. The "health insurance" industry and the Afghan War are not very popular.
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