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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-04-10 07:48 PM
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Cuba Calls US Screening Rules "Anti-Terrorist Paranoia"
Source: Wall Street Urinal

Cuba's official newspaper Gramma said Monday that the new U.S. rules tightening security checks for airline passengers traveling from or through 14 countries, including Cuba, were the result of "anti-terrorist paranoia."

"As part of its anti-terrorist paranoia," the United States strengthened security measures at its airports and has imposed "tighter checks" on passengers from 14 countries, including Cuba and others it accuses of "supporting terrorism," the Communist Party's daily said.

"These desperate guidelines affect all airlines, U.S. or otherwise," Gramma added, noting they went into effect Monday.

The U.S. Transport Security Administration said the new measures would include random "enhanced" checks on all international passengers flying into U.S. airports, as well as compulsory stricter checks on those coming from or via 14 nations.
The countries targeted by the new measures include Cuba, Iran, Sudan and Syria, all U.S.-designated state sponsors of terrorism. It will also apply to passengers traveling from or via Afghanistan, Libya, Pakistan, Somalia and Yemen, and Nigeria.


Read more: http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20100104-732168.html



Keep in mind that several years after 9-11 there were more agents (from a myriad of US gov agencies) monitoring US travel sanction busting American tourists than there were manning the Osama Bin Ladin monitoring unit (a boatload of those stories were posted on DU at the time).

The US has sent (CIA) terrorists on anti Cuba missions, including bombings and mid-air passenger airliner bombings (not to mention over 600 plots to kill the Cuban Head of State), whereas Cuba has not engaged in any terror against or in the USA (BUT - the US government had plans to attack the USA).





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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-04-10 07:54 PM
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1. I half-agree
It's definitely paranoia, but in fact helps the terrorists - not only Cheney and his caliphate, but the foreign terrorists as well. So in that way this panic is pro-terrorist
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-04-10 09:28 PM
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2. I agree
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GreenTea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-04-10 09:54 PM
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3. Cuba never gets hit...but corporate run, weapons selling, imperialistic, nation occupying, world
Edited on Mon Jan-04-10 09:57 PM by GreenTea
policeman, US military bases everywhere, starting illegal wars, empire multi-national building, self interest resource stealing & polluting America always does...I wonder why?
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-04-10 10:37 PM
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4. I wonder if they would be getting hit if they were still sending soldiers to Africa...
And doing the bidding of Russia.

Or if they'll have internal troubles when the people get fed-up with the Castro family's autocratic rule.
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GreenTea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-04-10 10:55 PM
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5. So you obviously approve of American imperialism?
Or is it more of your hatred of socialism and believe every word you read in the AP who weekly does their trashing liberals and socialism in Latin American countries to bring back the right-wing dictators for corporate profits as the status quo has been for decades...I'm sure you also despise Chavez and prefer right-wing dictators as Batista as well as peasant oppression....over liberalism, progressives and socialist.
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-04-10 11:50 PM
Response to Reply #5
8. I don't hate socialism.
I hate dictatorships, all of them. Like the Cuban government.

You're overcompensating because many DUers don't like to own up to the unpleasant aspects of the Castro family dictatorship.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-04-10 11:05 PM
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6. Cuba exports doctors, not terrorists like we do. n/t
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-04-10 11:51 PM
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9. But can Cuban vote like we do?
When was the last time they voted for someone without the last name of Castro?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-04-10 11:53 PM
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10. You mean like we voted in 2000 and 2004?
Did you miss the post today about the Prop 8 vote being fixed in Los Angeles county?

Cuba's system isn't our system but our system is as corrupt as possible without actually decomposing.
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-04-10 11:54 PM
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12. So you endorse the Castro Dictatorship.
I never said we don't or haven't had problems.

Admit it, you support a dictator.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-04-10 11:58 PM
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13. I support Cuba, you bet I do.
Admit? I thought that was as clear as possible.

"We have problems" -- that should be in the running for the Understatement of the Year, seriously.

You want Cuba to have "democratic elections" like the one we just sponsored in Afghanistan? Or the one we just endorsed in Honduras?

The US has no high ground on this issue, sadly.
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 12:07 AM
Response to Reply #13
14. Yes we do.
Has the same guy been in the Oval Office for 40 years?

I want the Cubans to have honest democratic elections.

You don't. You sidestepped quite nicely but I'm going to ask you again.

Do you support the Castro dictatorship?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 12:08 AM
Response to Reply #14
15. I dont beat my wife, either.
Nope. Our voting systems are so bad the Carter Center won't monitor them.

Wake up and smell the corruption.
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 12:11 AM
Response to Reply #15
16. Stop being a coward and answer the question.
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Flaneur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 05:14 PM
Response to Reply #16
37. Who the fuck are you, Joe McCarthy?
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 07:06 PM
Response to Reply #37
59. I'm just looking for an answer.
What's wrong with that?

She's the one who rabbited.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 07:19 PM
Response to Reply #59
61. Oh, please. Maybe a hee-man such as yourself
could lay out a clearer statement.

Or maybe you could get some reading skills above and beyond the third grade.
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 07:40 PM
Response to Reply #61
62. Answer the question.
Why won't you?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 07:51 PM
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63. So, you haven't read the thread either?
What a huge surprise.

I will never understand these critics of Cuba and their willful blinkers. It must make them feel potent or something. Because no rational person could say that the people of Cuba are worse off today than they were when the oh so very moral US government was supporting Batista.

So, it's not a matter of me asserting that I support the revolution, it's more a matter that you support the alternative.

And you bet, I support the revolution. Is that clear enough for you, compa?

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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 08:49 PM
Response to Reply #63
65. The revolution requires dictatorship?
Why is that?
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 10:12 PM
Response to Reply #65
67. What they HAD with US support was death squads, Mafia control of Havana, and deep poverty
for the vast majority of the population.

What you've got is a pipeline to right-wing gibberish, wild-eyed outright b.s., and deep confusion.

Why is it people can't spend some time putting down their bullhorns, and humbling themselves by exerting the effort to learn about the subjects, so they could intelligently discuss information instead of trying to intimidate others?

The person you're trying to beat down knows far, far more than you about Latin American politics and history. If you only were aware enough, you'd realize you're embarrassing yourself.
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 12:30 AM
Response to Reply #67
69. Ok, embarrass me.
Why does the revolution require dictatorship?

If their system is the the bee's knees, why can't they vote for another leader?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 07:16 PM
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60. I already have. I do support Cuba and I do support the Castros.
But thank you for the very brave name calling that we can only expect from the 101st Keyboard. It's too bad your platoon's reading skills lag behind your attempted bullying. :)

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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 08:48 PM
Response to Reply #60
64. So you think the thing you like about Cuba would disappear if the Cubans were allowed to vote...
For their leaders?

I'm asking a honest question, as a liberal and DUer why do you support a one-party dictatorship under the Castros?

Would all those doctors and other positives disappear if someone else was elected?
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demoleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 04:10 PM
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25. come on - answer the direct question: do you support the castros dictatorship?
:) i ask you because in another thread (one of mine) you said no, you would not live in such a condition of lack of freedom.
i'm curious now.

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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 04:18 PM
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27. I'm curious now. Got a link to that thread of yours?
Also, do you still beat your spouse? If not, when did you stop.


:dunce:











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demoleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 04:33 PM
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30. just checked - indeed i was not precise...
...what eferrari said was cuba is not rediscovered garden - which i took for mild criticism, but very honest.
that's why i like to discuss with that DUer. :)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4137500#4137774
(reply 109)

ciao.
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 04:48 PM
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32. "not precise". LOL.
Edited on Tue Jan-05-10 04:50 PM by Mika
Nice, and rare, understatement. Unlike your ill informed anti Cuba commentary.


I've lived in Cuba and have spent much time there since, including during an entire election season. Cubans can and do run for nomination to all levels of office in all of their parliaments and various government offices - right down to and including including dog catcher. Campaigns are open, often confrontational, and at times very aggressively anti or pro communist/socialist. The candidates with socialist platforms/tendencies tend to win elections in Cuba because, after living under US propped up dictatorships since the early 1900's, Cubans overwhelmingly like and support their current democratic and socialist system.

For the first time in Cuban history (ever since the 1959 success of the Revolution) ALL Cubans have good schools, teachers, doctors, clinics, hospitals, child care, and much needed social infrastructure. This is what all Cubans want, and they have done some serious heavy lifting to achieve these things - all democratically.


Its too bad that Americans are undemocratically travel banned by the edict of their own government, and can't freely and unfettered see Cuba for themselves.









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demoleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 04:58 PM
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35. hehe, a free interpretation, let's say :)
Edited on Tue Jan-05-10 05:05 PM by demoleft
as to cuba - i do not deny that cubans want to do their own way and are proud of their history and revolution.
i deny that all cubans want to live that way - and that those who do not can get to discuss freely about a change of leadership.

you would admit (i hope) that choosing a dog-catcher is not like choosing a national leader with a different idea of development for the country.
castro passed to castro the leadership as a king would with his dying voice in the elizabethan times.
the leaders and their families do not live the way peole live - there is no equality and so no socialism.
if it was not for the black market many families would find it hard to live decently - in their own perception, not mine.

i'm italian - so no "american" bias for me, as it goes.
and the cubans i talked to, though proud of their own country, dream something different now.

maybe time for a change, no?
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 05:43 PM
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42. Classic hide and highlight propaganda tech.
I was not describing a dog catcher election, as your post wrongly implies, nor was I saying that dog catcher is the only elected position, as your post wrongly implies.

Here's what I posted...
I've lived in Cuba and have spent much time there since, including during an entire election season. Cubans can and do run for nomination to all levels of office in all of their parliaments and various government offices - right down to and including including dog catcher. Campaigns are open, often confrontational, and at times very aggressively anti or pro communist/socialist. The candidates with socialist platforms/tendencies tend to win elections in Cuba because, after living under US propped up dictatorships since the early 1900's, Cubans overwhelmingly like and support their current democratic and socialist system.


Down thread, I posted a candidate list for the 2003 parliamentary election in the Santiago district where Dr Fidel Castro Ruz ran for his elected Assembly seat.

You would do well to take some time to read & study the Cuban constitution (preferably, a Spanish version) if you want to seriously discuss the transition of Head of State in the event of the President not being able - as was the case when F Castro fell ill and needed emergency surgery.

Your fantasies about the Cuban electoral system (among other things) are not reality based.











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demoleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 05:51 PM
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43. thanx for judging my way a "classic". i learnt it well...
Edited on Tue Jan-05-10 05:53 PM by demoleft
...from pro-castrists friends during years of discussions.

thanx for the links, i'll have a look.
that said - i keep my sick democracy and leave you to the admiration of that dictatorship.

as to the dog-watcher, it was just an example. i got what you meant there.
it's you who do not want to get what i mean.

thanx for the discussion. :)
ciao.
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Flaneur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 05:17 PM
Response to Reply #25
38. Yes, I support Cuba's socialist revolution.
It ain't perfect, but it ain't horrible, either.

If and when the CUBANS decide they don't like it, they can change it.
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demoleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 05:19 PM
Response to Reply #38
39. "If and when the CUBANS decide they don't like it, they can change it. "
that's exactly my position, on the other side of the barricade though. but it's just that.

cuba's socialist revolution is one thing.
what the castros' system of power has become in time quite another thing.

but it's ok.
"It ain't perfect, but it ain't horrible, either" i agree. but i refer it to our western democracies.

ciao.
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 05:54 PM
Response to Reply #39
44. Strange that one would think that Cuba ranks high in many social indicators because...
Strange that one would think that Cuba ranks among the highest in many global social indicators (such as education, health care, and women's rights for example) because it is forced on the people (by Castro)? :crazy:

:shrug:











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demoleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 05:56 PM
Response to Reply #44
46. oh my - then it is really "garden eden"?! come on, let's pack and and go!
would you?

i would not.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 06:01 PM
Response to Reply #46
47. He's been there many times. He knows about Cuba. And YOU? n/t
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demoleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 06:05 PM
Response to Reply #47
48. already told, stated here and in past threads, over and over. but of course...
...i talked with the wrong cubans, the wrong men and women,the only ones who dream of something different.
i must be a magnet - i only attract disappointed people.

these discussions on cuba always end like this: no more facts, let's go personal.
:) it's all fine.

enjoy your time.
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 06:23 PM
Response to Reply #48
50. Well, you offered an invitation to go.
Didn't you? ;)



These discussions on cuba always end like this: no more facts


No more facts?

Speak for yourself.

You never came to this table of honest discourse with facts. Just demagoguery and attacks. Asking people, who know better than you, why they support a dictatorship, when you know nothing about the subject except anecdotal hearsay. The chutzpah!

Yes .... I'm getting personal here .... about your righteous and repeated lack of honesty and facts in these Cuba related threads.


Cheers.







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demoleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 06:27 PM
Response to Reply #50
52. it was in reply to judy linn and not to you. i see cuban aggressiveness has some fascination on you.
Edited on Tue Jan-05-10 06:30 PM by demoleft
thanx for the harsh words - they do not impress me in the least.

enjoy your "garden eden". (from your comfortable living in some city of the "empire", i suppose.)

cheers.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 06:40 PM
Response to Reply #48
54. Don't feel bad. It's a political thing. Racists and right-wingers and political people
connected to the government of the bloody, torture and death squad loving butcher, US and Mafia puppet, Fulgencio Batista, ran to the US immediately after the second Cuban revolution. They are KNOWN to be different from ordinary Cubans, even the ones who come here now for economic reasons, as people do, from all the other Caribbean and Latin American countries.

(Some Haitians (dominated by a pro-US puppet) choose to live in Cuba.)

The later arrivals who have come here are known as economic immigrants. Even the pro-corporate media have changed their terminoligy to reflect this in most cases.
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demoleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 06:47 PM
Response to Reply #54
55. oh i don't. it's all fine. :) n/t
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 07:04 PM
Response to Reply #54
58. Indeed.
Edited on Tue Jan-05-10 07:07 PM by Mika
Judi Lynn said -
"The later arrivals who have come here are known as economic immigrants. Even the pro-corporate media have changed their terminoligy to reflect this in most cases."


Indeed.

As their numbers grew, so did their political demo. That is a large voting block in a hot-bed swing county like Miami-Dade. Hence the Obama policy of maintaining the sanctions against Cuba, but allowing the economic immigrants from Cuba unlimited return trips for any duration and to be able to remit unlimited sums of money to their families in Cuba. This is as clear as it gets.... The Obama admin (in action) is admitting that recent Cuban immigrants (most of whom are legal, coming to the US on regular flights from Havana, with legal US immigration visas in hand), are economic immigrants rather than political "defectors".

But yet, the Obama admin policy is to maintain US extra territorial economic and trade sanctions on Cuba - therefore, creating more economic deprivation and creating greater numbers of economic refugees from Cuba.

Sickness. :puke:












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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 05:39 PM
Response to Reply #25
41. The "direct question" is a false dilemma. n/t
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demoleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 05:54 PM
Response to Reply #41
45. basically yes, it is. i was just provoking you. :) ciao. n/t
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 06:57 PM
Response to Reply #45
56. Btw, I do support the Castros.
:)
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demoleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 07:00 PM
Response to Reply #56
57. :) n/t
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 03:48 AM
Response to Reply #9
19. Even the UK doesn't vote as you do
We use pieces and paper and pencils - votes which can easily be counted and recounted where necessary.
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 05:02 AM
Response to Reply #19
21. Voting is easy in Cuba.
1. Castro

2. Castro

3. Castro


What a great system!
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 03:31 PM
Response to Reply #21
24. Links please.
Edited on Tue Jan-05-10 03:35 PM by Mika
As usual, the uninformed contingent of DU's Cuba "experts" come out of the woodwork.

For the rest of the world ...

http://www.poptel.org.uk/cuba-solidarity/democracy.htm
This system in Cuba is based upon universal adult suffrage for all those aged 16 and over. Nobody is excluded from voting, except convicted criminals or those who have left the country. Voter turnouts have usually been in the region of 95% of those eligible .

There are direct elections to municipal, provincial and national assemblies, the latter represent Cuba's parliament.

Electoral candidates are not chosen by small committees of political parties. No political party, including the Communist Party, is permitted to nominate or campaign for any given candidates. Instead the candidates are nominated by grass roots assemblies and by electoral commissions comprising representatives of all the mass organisations.

The municipal elections are the cornerstone of Cuba's political structure. They comprise delegates who have great authority amongst the local population and who are elected for reasons of known integrity, intelligence, hard work and honesty.

The elections to the provincial and national assemblies (Cuba's regional and national parliaments) follow a different procedure. For deputies to the national assembly the nominating process involves proposals from the municipal councils.

In addition to receiving nominations from different organisations and institutions, the candidacy commissions carry out an exhaustive process of consultation before drawing up a final slate. In the February 1993 elections they consulted more than 1.5 million people and established a pool of between 60 and 70 thousand potential candidates before narrowing it down to 589.

The nominating process and the huge participation in the last election clearly show that the deputies to Cuba's parliament enjoy massive public support.


--

Representative Fidel Castro was elected to the National Assembly as a representative of District #7 Santiago de Cuba.
He was one of the elected 607 representatives in the Cuban National Assembly. It is from that body that the head of state is nominated and then elected. Raul Castro, Carlos Large, and Ricardo Alarcon and others were among the nominated last year. President Castro was elected to that position in 1976.

http://www.bartleby.com/65/do/Dorticos.html

Dorticós Torrado, Osvaldo
1919–83, president of Cuba (1959–76). A prosperous lawyer, he participated in Fidel Castro’s revolutionary movement and was imprisoned (1958). He escaped and fled to Mexico, returning to Cuba after Castro’s triumph (1959). As minister of laws (1959) he helped to formulate Cuban policies. He was appointed president in 1959. Intelligent and competent, he wielded considerable influence. In 1976 the Cuban government was reorganized, and Castro assumed the title of president; Dorticós was named a member of the council of state.


The Cuban government was reorganized (approved by popular vote) into a variant parliamentary system in 1976.

IF you are really interested, then you can read a long and detailed description here..

Democracy in Cuba and the 1997-98 Elections
Arnold August
1999
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0968508405/qid=1053879619/sr=1-2/ref=sr_1_2/102-8821757-1670550?v=glance&s=books



edit:

1. Castro
2. Castro
3. Castro

Really?

How utterly uninformed, but yet so willing to spew RW propaganda on DU.

Here's some of the other candidates on the 2003 slate for Santiago de Cuba (Castro's home district, before he retired).


http://www.granma.co.cu/secciones/candidatos/prov-13.htm
JUAN ALMEIDA BOSQUE

Nivel Escolar: Universitario. Ocupación: Miembro del Buró Político, Vicepresidente del Consejo de Estado, Comandante de la Revolución. Se incorporó a la lucha revolucionaria desde el 10 de marzo de 1952. Participó en el Asalto al Cuartel Moncada. Formó parte de los expedicionarios del Granma. Fue ascendido a Comandante y en marzo de 1958 organizó el III Frente de Operaciones en la Sierra Maestra. A partir del 1o de Enero de 1959 ha ocupado distintas responsabilidades. En octubre de 1965, al constituirse el Comité Central del Partido Comunista de Cuba, fue designado miembro del mismo y de su Buró Político. En septiembre de 1968 fue designado Delegado del Buró Político para la atención al sector de la construcción y en septiembre de 1970 Delegado del Buró Político en la provincia de Oriente. Es presidente de la Asociación de Combatientes de la Revolución Cubana. Se le otorgó el título de Héroe de la República de Cuba y la Orden "Máximo Gómez" de 1er. grado. Municipio: Santiago de Cuba

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ADRIÁN FONSECA QUESADA

Nivel Escolar: Medio Superior. Ocupación: Estudiante. En la Enseñanza Primaria y Secundaria alcanzó resultados docentes satisfactorios y ocupó diferentes cargos en la organización pioneril. Presidió la FEEM en Bayamo e integró su Secretariado Nacional. Participó en el XIV Festival Mundial de la Juventud y los Estudiantes. En el SMG obtuvo varios estímulos y condecoraciones. Estuvo al frente del trabajo de la UJC en su compañía y perteneció al Comité UJC de la Brigada. Comenzó sus estudios universitarios en la Universidad de Oriente estudiando Comunicación Social, en 1er. año fue Secretario General de su Comité de Base, integró el Consejo de la FEU en la Universidad, siendo su Vicepresidente, y al comenzar el 2do. año fue Presidente. Municipio: Santiago de Cuba

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FIDEL CASTRO RUZ

Nivel escolar: Universitario. Ocupación: Primer Secretario del CC del PCC. Presidente de los Consejos de Estado y de Ministros. Comandante en Jefe de las FAR. Desde 1945 se integró a las luchas políticas estudiantiles. Concibió y dirigió el asalto al Cuartel Moncada. Fundador del Movimiento 26 de Julio. Organizó la expedición del Granma y dirigió la guerra de liberación que culminó con el Triunfo de la Revolución el 1o de Enero de 1959. Dirigió y participó en la defensa de Playa Girón. Fue Presidente del Movimiento de Países No Alineados. Ha impulsado y dirigido la lucha del pueblo cubano por la consolidación del proceso revolucionario, el avance hacia el socialismo y la unidad de todas las fuerzas revolucionarias. Ha sido electo Diputado a la Asamblea Nacional del Poder Popular desde la creación de aquella en 1976 y desde entonces ha ocupado por elección los cargos de Presidente del Consejo de Estado y Presidente del Consejo de Ministros. Es el principal impulsor y organizador de la intensa Batalla de Ideas que hoy libramos, dirigiendo las campañas, programas y acciones que desarrolla nuestro pueblo. Municipio: Santiago de Cuba

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CARLOS ALBERTO CABAL MIRABAL

Nivel Escolar: Universitario. Ocupación: Director de Biofísica Médica. En 1971 inició su vida laboral como Jefe del Departamento de Física Electrónica en la Escuela de Física, en este mismo año fue promovido a Subdirector de la escuela y luego a Director. Fue Subdirector de la Unidad Docente de Moa; Decano y fundador de la Facultad de Física Matemática, jefe de grupo de RMN. Desde la fundación del centro de Biofísica Médica en 1993 ha sido su Director. Milita en el PCC desde 1976. Desde 1991 es miembro del Comité Provincial del Partido. Fue Delegado al IV Congreso del PCC y Delegado Directo al V Congreso. Ha participado como ponente y autor en más de 70 eventos científicos a nivel nacional e internacional. Desde 1993 es Diputado a la Asamblea Nacional del Poder Popular. Municipio: Santiago de Cuba

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MISAEL ENAMORADO DÁGER

Nivel Escolar: Superior. Ocupación: Primer Secretario del Partido en la provincia. De 1977 a 1981 trabajó como Ingeniero y Jefe de Mantenimiento de la Empresa de Automatización del MINAZ, del municipio de Palma Soriano. Luego laboró como inversionista del Central Tunas 1. De 1985 a 1988 se desempeñó como Jefe del Departamento de Industria del Partido Provincial de Las Tunas y fue Director de la Empresa Estructuras Metálicas. Desde 1992 a 1994 ocupó el cargo de Primer Secretario del Partido del municipio de Las Tunas. Teniendo en cuenta los resultados de su trabajo fue promovido a Miembro del Buró Provincial. En el IV Congreso del Partido fue electo miembro de su Comité Central. Fue elegido como Primer Secretario del Partido de la Provincia de Las Tunas desde 1995 al 2001. En el V Congreso fue elegido Miembro del Buró Político. Desde octubre del 2001 se desempeña como Primer Secretario del Partido en la provincia de Santiago de Cuba. Es actualmente Diputado a la Asamblea Nacional del Poder Popular. Municipio: Santiago de Cuba

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JULIO CHRISTIAN JIMÉNEZ MOLINA

Nivel escolar: Universitario. Ocupación: Vicepresidente Primero del INDER. Desarrolló su etapa estudiantil con excelentes resultados hasta alcanzar el título de Lic. en Ciencias Políticas, destacándose por su participación activa en el deporte, especialmente en baloncesto, donde ha participado en eventos nacionales e internacionales durante toda esa etapa. Integró el Equipo Nacional de Baloncesto hasta ocupar distintas responsabilidades en la Dirección Nacional del INDER, otras instituciones y escuelas pertenecientes al deporte hasta agosto del 1997, que es designado Vicepresidente Primero del INDER. Fue militante de la UJC e ingresó al PCC en 1978. Ha cumplido diferentes misiones gubernamentales por lo que fue seleccionado en el 2000, Cuadro Destacado del Estado. Municipio: Santiago de Cuba

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LUIS ENRIQUE IBÁÑEZ ARRANZ

Nivel Escolar: Universitario. Ocupación: Presidente de la Asamblea Municipal. Fue dirigente de la UJC a todos los niveles y dirigente del PCC hasta 1992 que es promovido a Primer Secretario en el municipio de Julio Antonio Mella. En 1996 fue designado Vicepresidente del CAM hasta el 2001. Posteriormente, fue elegido Presidente de la Asamblea Municipal del municipio de Santiago de Cuba. Participó como Delegado al IV Congreso de la UJC e invitado al IV Congreso del PCC. Es el Vicepresidente del Consejo de Defensa del municipio de Santiago. Por su trayectoria revolucionaria y los méritos acumulados ha recibido varias condecoraciones y reconocimientos. Municipio: Santiago de Cuba

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VIRGEN ALFONSO RODRÍGUEZ

Nivel Escolar: Universitario. Ocupación: Secretaria General FMC Provincial. Ingresó en el ISP "Frank País", de Santiago de Cuba, donde obtuvo los sellos de Oro y de Plata, fue dirigente de la UJC en el Comité de Base y de la FEU a nivel de aula. Participó como Delegada al XIV Festival de la Juventud y los Estudiantes y a su regreso fue promovida a Directora Municipal de Cultura en ese territorio. Se trasladó al municipio Songo-La Maya como Metodóloga de Español-Literatura desde 1991-1994. Al finalizar este año fue promovida a Cuadro de la FMC, donde se desempeña actualmente como Secretaria General de la provincia. Pasó la Escuela Provincial del PCC en el año 2002. Ha sido condecorada con el Sello Educadora Ejemplar, Medalla por 5 años de trabajo ininterrumpido como cuadro de la FMC y Medalla 30 Aniversario de los CDR. Municipio: Santiago de Cuba

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LARIS CORRALES ROBERT

Nivel Escolar: Superior. Ocupación: Primer Secretario del PCC Municipal. De 1981 a 1983 cumple misión internacionalista en la República Popular de Nicaragua. Laboró como maestro en la escuela "José Martí Pérez". En 1984 fue promovido a Director de la Escuela Primaria "Rubén Díaz", labor que realizó hasta 1987, en que pasó a ocupar el cargo de Metodólogo Inspector de la Dirección Municipal de Educación en Palma Soriano. En 1993 fue promovido a trabajar como cuadro profesional del Partido, desempeñándose como Instructor y luego como Miembro Profesional del Buró de Palma Soriano. En 1997 fue promovido a Primer Secretario hasta octubre del 2001. que pasó con igual función al Comité Municipal en Santiago de Cuba, es miembro no Profesional del Buró Ejecutivo del Comité Provincial. Fue Delegado al V Congreso del Partido. Municipio: Santiago de Cuba.

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ERNESTO STIVENS LAGART

Nivel Escolar: Superior. Ocupación: Ingeniero en Minas de Cobre. En 1984 ingresó al SMG en la U/M 3227 de la provincia de Holguín, estando en las FAR fue designado a cumplir misión internacionalista en Angola donde le fue otorgada la militancia de la UJC. A su regreso a Cuba, se incorporó a trabajar en la empresa minera del cobre, manteniendo una actitud destacada, motivo por el cual cursó estudios superiores, incorporándose en 1989 al ISMM de Moa a la especialidad de Ingeniería de Mina y se graduó en 1994. A partir de entonces se incorporó a la empresa nuevamente en el cargo que ocupa. Ostenta la medalla de Combatiente Internacionalista de 1era. clase, distinción Servicio Distinguido, medalla Victoria Cuba- Angola. Es miembro de la ACRC. Municipio: Santiago de Cuba

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VILMA LUCILA ESPÍN GUILLOIS

Nivel escolar: Universitario. Ocupación: Presidenta de la Federación de Mujeres Cubanas y Miembro del Consejo de Estado. Fue una de las primeras mujeres que se graduó como Ingeniera Química Industrial. Una de las más cercanas colaboradoras de Frank País en la lucha revolucionaria. Miembro de la Dirección Nacional del 26 de Julio, y Coordinadora Provincial de Oriente, hasta que pasó al II Frente Oriental "Frank País". Ha sido elegida, Congreso tras Congreso, como Presidenta de la FMC. Es miembro del Comité Central del Partido desde 1965. Fue elegida suplente del Buró Político en el II Congreso y efectivo en el III, y ratificada como miembro del Comité Central en todos los Congresos. Actualmente preside la Comisión Nacional de Prevención y Atención Social; la Comisión Permanente de Atención a la Niñez, la Juventud y la Igualdad de Derechos de la Mujer y orienta el Grupo de Educación Sexual. Es Diputada a la Asamblea Nacional y del Consejo de Estado desde 1976. Se le otorgó el título de Heroína de la República de Cuba y la Orden "Mariana Grajales". Municipio: Santiago de Cuba

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SONIA DURÁN ROJAS

Nivel Escolar: Universitario. Ocupación: Metodóloga Provincial de Educación. Comenzó su vida laboral en la Escuela Vocacional Antonio Maceo en 1981, donde ocupó varias responsabilidades, entre ellas: Jefa de Departamento de Literatura y Español. Participó en diferentes eventos Municipales y Provinciales de Pedagogía, Lingüística y Comunicación. En 1991 fue promovida a Metodóloga Provincial, donde ha obtenido resultados positivos. Ha sido Presidenta de la Comisión de Ingreso a la Educación Superior desde el año 1991 hasta la fecha. Es Profesora Adjunta del ISP Frank País García. Recibió la Distinción por la Educación Cubana. Es Delegada de circunscripción. Municipio: Santiago de Cuba

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ALBERTO LEZCAY MERENCIO

Nivel escolar: Superior. Ocupación: Presidente de la Fundación Caguayo para las Artes Monumentales Aplicadas. Es fundador de la televisora Tele Rebelde, donde inició su vida laboral como pintor escenográfico, así como del taller de diseño y textos del DOR. En 1973 se graduó en Escultura en la Escuela Nacional de Arte y en 1979 de Maestro en Arte, Academia de Escultura, Arquitectura, Pintura y Gráfica "I. Repin" en Leningrado. Fue nombrado miembro de la UNEAC y de la Asociación Internacional de Artistas Plásticos. Es autor de varias obras de arte. En 1981 pasó a Director del Taller Cultural en Santiago de Cuba y en 1982 dirigió el equipo multidisciplinario para el proyecto de la Plaza Monumento Antonio Maceo. En 1985 fue delegado al XII Festival Mundial de la Juventud y los Estudiantes en Moscú. Ha participado en eventos nacionales e internacionales. Municipio: Santiago de Cuba

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JOSÉ RAMÓN BALAGUER CABRERA

Nivel escolar: Universitario. Ocupación: Miembro del Buró Político del Partido y del Consejo de Estado, fundador del PCC. En 1958 se incorporó como Combatiente al Segundo Frente Oriental "Frank País", tomando parte en varios combates. Al triunfo de la Revolución ocupó los cargos de Segundo Jefe y Jefe de Sanidad municipal en La Habana. Más tarde fue designado Director General ejecutivo y Viceministro de Higiene y Epidemiología del Ministerio de Salud Pública. A partir de 1962 ocupó varias responsabilidades en el MINFAR. Fue Primer Secretario del Comité Provincial del Partido en Santiago de Cuba y delegado del Buró Político en Granma. En 1985 fue promovido a miembro del Secretariado del Comité Central. Fue Embajador de Cuba en la URSS. Es miembro del Comité Central del Partido desde 1975 y Diputado a la Asamblea Nacional desde su constitución. En reconocimiento a su labor, le han sido otorgadas varias condecoraciones. Municipio: Santiago de Cuba











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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 10:04 PM
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66. "But can Cuban vote like we do?" Can "Canadian" vote "like we do?"
Do people with parliamentary systems vote for their Prime Ministers? Of course not. Does your vote directly elect your President? Did the Democratic majority elect President Gore?
Take some time to learn something, why not, instead of trying to breath down the neck of excellent, enormously loved DU members.

Here's an overview from a Canadian source. Many outsiders are actually very familiar with the Cuban electoral system, at least two DU'ers, one of them Canadian have been in Cuba for the election season. You need to come to your senses and stop regurgitating the right-wing crap you've been using for your sustenance. Lies are surely the lesser way of communicating.
CUBAN POLITICAL SYSTEM

Cuba is a republic with a centralized socialist system of government closely identified with the workers.

The structure of the State of the Republic of Cuba is as follows:

1. National Assembly of People's Power
2. Council of State
3. Council of Ministers
4. Provincial and Municipal Governments
5. Judiciary System

Political power rests with the National Assembly of People's Power, which nominates the Council of Ministers, the highest executive body. Its executive committee is composed of the president, the first vice-president and the vice-presidents of the Council of Ministers. Since

The National Assembly of People's Power is composed of deputies elected by secret and direct popular vote, for periods of five years. It sits regularly twice a year. Between sittings of the Assembly the 31-member Council of State, elected from members of the National Assembly, takes over its function.

The members of the National Assembly elect provincial and regional executive committees.

Municipal elections are held every two and half years, while Provincial and National elections, every five years.

ELECTORAL SYSTEM


The Cuban democratic system is regulated by Chapter XIV of the Constitution of the Republic, which establishes that in every election and referendum the vote is free, equal and secret. Each voter has the right to only one vote. All Cubans 16 years old and above have the right to vote.

All citizens, men and women, who fully enjoy their political rights can be elected, including the members of the Armed Forces and other military institutions.

For its political and administrative division, Cuba has 14 provinces and 169 municipalities. These are in turn divided into 13,865 electoral constituencies, which are the bases for the elections. The voters directly propose the candidates and elect their Representatives to the Municipal Assemblies of the People's Power.

ELECTORAL HISTORY AND PROCESS


The National Assembly of Peoples Power (Parliament), the highest legislative power, is elected every five years. From its members the Council of State is elected, which acts on behalf of the National Assembly, between sessions. The National Assembly also appoints the Council of Ministers. In 1992, the Parliament approved changes to the electoral system, which would strengthen public control over the government. Henceforth, the deputies to the National Assembly and the delegates to the Provincial Assembly were to be elected through free and direct ballot.

People's Councils were added to the governmental structure in 1988 and were renewed in 1993. Delegates are elected at the constituency level, they represent the area in which they work and have authority to develop the production and service industries, and to meet the people's needs.

Municipal Administrative Councils consist of elected representatives who work with delegates from social and economic organizations. These Councils can demand that these organizations fulfill their duties to the community.

Ricardo Alarcon, president of the National Assembly, believes that the democratic nature of the National Assembly has been improved, since to be elected you must be nominated by your community. Inherent in the system is the voter's right to recall delegates who are not fulfilling their mandate. This in conjunction with the fact that 99% of those eligible voted on February 24th 1993 reflects the people's active participation in their election process.

Nomination Assemblies are convened within constituencies to propose and elect candidates. There is no intervention by the Communist Party in the process. The Candidacy Commission draws up lists of candidates for delegates to the Provincial Assemblies and for deputies to the National Assembly. These Commissions are made up of representatives of trade unions, students, farmers and women's groups.

In 1998 were elected to the 5th Legislature 601 deputies, among them 282, representing the 46.92%, are base delegates, 145 work in centers of production and services, 31 are linked to the health system, 33 to the educational system, 26 to research institutes, 30 come from trade union, 25 from mass and social organizations, 7 are students, 3 are religious ministers, 14 are writers, artists and culture workers, 16 come from mass media, 35 are members of the armed forces, 67 are officials of the Communist Party and the Union of Communist Youth. The 27.62 % of the Deputies are women and 4.33% are young people under 30 years.
More:
http://www.hellocuba.ca/political_system.php#Electoral_System
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-04-10 11:08 PM
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7. You need to spend some serious time informing yourself of the facts concerning Angola.

SECRET CUBAN DOCUMENTS ON HISTORY OF AFRICA INVOLVEMENT

National Security Archive Electronic Briefing Book No. 67
Edited by Peter Kornbluh

NEW BOOK based on Unprecedented Access to Cuban Records;
True Story of U.S.-Cuba Cold fear Clash in Angola presented in Conflicting Missions

Washington D.C.: The National Security Archive today posted a selection of secret Cuban government documents detailing Cuba's policy and involvement in Africa in the 1960s and 1970s. The records are a sample of dozens of internal reports, memorandum and communications obtained by Piero Gleijeses, a historian at the Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies, for his new book, Conflicting Missions: Havana, Washington, and Africa, 1959-1976 (The University of North Carolina Press).

Peter Kornbluh, director of the Archive’s Cuba Documentation Project, called the publication of the documents “a significant step toward a fuller understanding Cuba’s place in the history of Africa and the Cold War,” and commended the Castro government’s decision to makes its long-secret archives accessible to scholars like Professor Gleijeses. “Cuba has been an important actor on the stage of foreign affairs,” he said. “Cuban documents are a missing link in fostering an understanding of numerous international episodes of the past.”

Conflicting Missions provides the first comprehensive history of the Cuba's role in Africa and settles a longstanding controversy over why and when Fidel Castro decided to intervene in Angola in 1975. The book definitively resolves two central questions regarding Cuba's policy motivations and its relationship to the Soviet Union when Castro astounded and outraged Washington by sending thousands of soldiers into the Angolan civil conflict. Based on Cuban, U.S. and South African documents and interviews, the book concludes that:
  • Castro decided to send troops to Angola on November 4, 1975, in response to the South African invasion of that country, rather than vice versa as the Ford administration persistently claimed;

  • The United States knew about South Africa's covert invasion plans, and collaborated militarily with its troops, contrary to what Secretary of State Henry Kissinger testified before Congress and wrote in his memoirs.

  • Cuba made the decision to send troops without informing the Soviet Union and deployed them, contrary to what has been widely alleged, without any Soviet assistance for the first two months.
Professor Gleijeses is the first scholar to gain access to closed Cuban archives—a process that took more than six years of research trips to Cuba—including those of the Communist Party Central Committee, the armed forces and the foreign ministry. Classified Cuban documents used in the book include: minutes of meetings with Fidel Castro, Che Guevara's handwritten correspondence from Zaire, military directives from Raul Castro, briefing papers from intelligence chieftain, Manuel Piniero, field commander reports, internal Cuban government memoranda, and Cuban-Soviet communications and military accords.
In addition to research in Cuba, the author also worked extensively in the archives of the United States, Belgium, Great Britain, and West and East Germany, teaching himself to read Portuguese and Afrikaans so that he could evaluate primary documents written in those languages.

Gleijeses also interviewed over one hundred fifty protagonists, among them the former CIA station chief in Luanda, Robert Hultslander who spoke on the record for the first time for this book. "History has shown," Hultslander noted, "that Kissinger's policy on Africa itself was shortsighted and flawed." He also commented on the forces of Jonas Savimbi, the rebel chief recently killed in Angola: "I was deeply concerned ... about UNITA's purported ties with South Africa, and the resulting political liability such carried. I was unaware at the time, of course, that the U.S. would eventually beg South Africa to directly intervene to pull its chestnuts out of the fire."

In this first account of Cuba's policy in Africa based on documentary evidence, Gleijeses describes and analyzes Castro's dramatic dispatch of 30,000 Cubans to Angola in 1975-76, and he traces the roots of this policy—from Havana's assistance to the Algerian rebels fighting France in 1961 to the secret war between Havana and Washington in Zaire in 1964-65 and Cuba's decisive contribution to Guinea-Bissau's war of independence from 1966-1974.

"Conflicting Missions is above all the story of a contest, staged in Africa, between Cuba and the United States," according to its author, which started in Zaire in 1964-65 and culminated in a major Cold War confrontation in Angola in 1975-76. Using Cuban and US documents, as well as the semi-official history of South Africa's 1975 covert operation in Angola (available only in Afrikaans), this book is the first to present the internationalized Angolan conflict from three sides—Cuba and the MPLA, the United States and the covert CIA operation codenamed IAFEATURE and South Africa, whose secret incursion prompted Castro's decision to commit Cuban troops.

Conflicting Missions also argues that Secretary Kissinger's account of the US role in Angola, most recently repeated in the third volume of his memoirs, is misleading. Testifying before Congress in 1976, Kissinger stated "We had no foreknowledge of South Africa's intentions, and in no way cooperated militarily." In Years of Renewal Dr. Kissinger also denied that the United States and South Africa had collaborated in the Angolan conflict; Gleijeses' research strongly suggests that they did. The book quotes Kissinger aide Joseph Sisco conceding that the Ford administration "certainly did not discourage" South Africa's intervention, and presents evidence that the CIA helped the South Africans ferry arms to key battlefronts. The book also reproduces portions of a declassified memorandum of conversation between Kissinger and Chinese leader Teng Hsiao-p'ing which shows that Chinese officials raised concerns about South Africa's involvement in Angola in response to Ford and Kissinger's entreaties for Beijing's continuing support. The memcon quotes President Ford as telling the Chinese "we had nothing to do with the South African involvement." Drawing on the Cuban documents, the book challenges Kissinger's account in his memoirs about the arrival of Cubans in Angola. The first Cuban military advisers did not arrive in Angola until late August 1975, and the Cubans did not participate in the fighting until late October, after South Africa had invaded.

More:
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB67/

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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-04-10 11:53 PM
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11. Ok. Your point is: Cuban operations: Good.
American operations: Bad.

Because there is a difference.....right.
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Mudoria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 12:24 AM
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17. I think you've nailed it...
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 03:16 PM
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23. GreenTea, Cuba has suffered many terrorist attacks from US based operatives.
Luis Posada and Orlando Bosch are two very prominent and famous CIA operatives who launched violent terra attackes against Cuba.

Miami is chock-full of anti Castro/anti Cuba terrorist groups, such as Alpha 66, Brigade 2506, Commandos F-4, the CANF and more. Not only have these groups engaged in terror ops in Cuba but in the USA as well.

This is easy to research simply using The Google.







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Unvanguard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 01:12 AM
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18. Well, that's pretty accurate. n/t
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 03:56 AM
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20. Cuba *has* threatened to nuke the US.
Have there been other operations, or was an open threat of all-out nuclear warfare enough to get them blacklisted until that family is out of their monarchy?
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 03:11 PM
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22. Get your facts straight. Cuba has never had control over any nukes.
Even during the height of the so called "Cuban missile crisis" (Orwellian newspeak at its best), Cuba never had control over any of the Soviet nukes. Never, ever.

Castro might have pounded the podium and threatened a RETALIATORY strike IF Cuba was attacked by US nukes which were parked and aimed at Cuba from various mobile units on the Florida coast as well as ship and sub based nukes, but Castro never had command over Soviet missiles.

More reliably delivered anti Castro BS by you.



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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 02:51 AM
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72. There were live nukes on Cuban soil.
Is your argument that Castro didn't have firing codes? It's a good argument, BTW, but that didn't stop all the chest-puffing and strutting of macho politics.
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demoleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 04:17 PM
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26. i'd advise the cuban leadership to measure their own words in foreign affairs...
...they have been aggressive lately. it brings no good, except the sympathy of dubious nations like china - dubious as to human rights. as to paranoids, well china censuring news about the dalai lama and cuba with its daily attacks against the "empire", trying to fight contemporary problems with this kind of dusty instruments of propaganda, sound both paranoid enough.

just profiting on obama weakness in this moment.
to gain what? nothing.
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 04:28 PM
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29. Just how many war fronts bringing freedom™ does Cuba have ongoing now?



Even though Cuba has this so called very aggressive stance, how many Cubans in Cuba lost their homes due to foreclosure? How many have lost their health care coverage? How many Cuban schools have closed in the global recession? How many Cuban teachers let go?

That's easy. None. Nada. Zero. Zip.

One thing is for sure, Cuba has been very aggressive in maintaining - even building up - the Cuban social infrastructure. Because that is what the Cuban people wanted, they organized, they ran for offices representing these ideals, they were elected on these platforms, and they have all of these things.

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How undemocratic Cuba is. :dunce:











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demoleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 04:39 PM
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31. this is a portrait of eden - isn't it?
yes, undemocratic to the bone - that's what cuba is.

and if you want to make steps forward in foreign policies, you do not go on with insults, mocking and aggressiveness.
that's not leading a country - it's primary school kidding.

a pity obama has no long hair. they would pull them every day.

(btw the freedom with the trademark is great! ;)
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 04:53 PM
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33. You are speaking of US "diplomacy", yes?
"and if you want to make steps forward in foreign policies, you do not go on with insults, mocking and aggressiveness.
that's not leading a country - it's primary school kidding."


Tell that to Mr Obama and Ms Clinton.




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demoleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 05:01 PM
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36. we're discussing cuba, not US.
i tell that and more to obama and clinton - because i can.
be a cuban and go tell the castros you don't agree with their policy.

let's see what happens.
(provided you find a way to tell your mind)

understand what i mean?
if you want to get results in foreign politics, you just find something better than aggressiveness. because with that you do not go anywhere - at least out of your borders.
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demoleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 04:20 PM
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28. and rec too. n/t
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KillCapitalism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 04:54 PM
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34. It is ridiculous paranoia.
Cuba is no hotbed of terrorism.

A friend I know that has visited there says there are no radical muslim clerics, or even any mosques there to speak of.

How many of the 9/11 hijackers had names like Rodriguez or Molina?
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 05:30 PM
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40. How many of the people involved in the mid-air bombing of a Cuban airliner,
killing all 73 people on board were Cuban right-wing terrorists? ALL of them.

Orlando Bosch, who was refused entry by 33 countries, and was rejected by US Acting Attorney General Whitley, had his exclsionary finding overturned by President George H. W. Bush, at the urging of his son, Jeb Bush.

George H W Bush was also connected to all the Cuban Miami terrorists, along with Jeb, and George W. who allowed the other airliner mastermind Luis Posada Carriles to live in Miami freely, like Bosch does now, until Posada Carriles held a public press conference, called too much attention to himself, and Bush's administration was forced to hold him for trial for breaking immigration procedures when he sneaked into the country without properly clearing it.

Have you absolutely no awareness of all the decades of terrorism against Cuba by the CIA and the constant stream of attacks by Cuban "exile" assholes, including bombings of hotels, restaurants, nightclubs, etc.? Of armed groups going ashore to kill Cubans? Kidnap and kill Cubans? Kidnap and kill Cubans in other countries? Attacks on their farms, their farm animals, burning their crops? The open testimony in a New York murder trial by Cuban American terrorist, Eduardo Arocena, who stated he had carried biological warfare weapons into Cuba to use against them for the CIA?

There's a whole library available near uou which would be invaluable, if you weren't determined not to let any of facts seep in and color your own preconceptions.
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 06:14 PM
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49. I guess that Cuba really is a "terror state".
It terrifies so many to think that Cuba isn't the hellhole the RW tells/yells at us it is.

All that socialistic universal health care and universal education and constitutionally guaranteed housing, wages, child care to nursing home, etc etc, is downright scary to the oligarchical class.

Iraq and Haiti is their model. Cuba is not.










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demoleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 06:25 PM
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51. the same list as before - but something lacks in there.
freedom. free press. free opinions. free discussions.
not between shades of red, but discussions about red or white - so to speak.

so, i send your thread to flame with th 50th post and invite you to these two links from reporters without borders, one of my fav websites.

http://www.rsf.org/en-rapport174-Cuba.html

http://www.rsf.org/spip.php?page=article&id_article=34734

i hope in time you can add freedom to your proud list.
:) ciao.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 12:56 AM
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70. Figures RSF would be your favorite website.
August 1, 2006

International Republican Institute Grants Uncovered
Reporters Without Borders and Washington's Coups
By DIANA BARAHONA and JEB SPRAGUE

British press baron Lord Northcliff said, "News is something that someone, somewhere wants to keep secret, everything else is advertising." If this is true, then U.S. government funding of Reporters Without Borders must be news, because the organization and its friends in Washington have gone to extraordinary lengths to cover it up. In spite of 14 months of stonewalling by the National Endowment for Democracy over a Freedom of Information Act request and a flat denial from RSF executive director Lucie Morillon, the NED has revealed that Reporters Without Borders received grants over at least three years from the International Republican Institute.

The NED still refuses to provide the requested documents or even reveal the grant amounts, but they are identified by these numbers: IRI 2002-022/7270, IRI 2003-027/7470 and IRI 2004-035/7473. Investigative reporter Jeremy Bigwood asked Morillon on April 25 if her group was getting any money from the I.R.I., and she denied it, but the existence of the grants was confirmed by NED assistant to the president, Patrick Thomas.

The discovery of the grants reveals a major deception by the group, which for years denied it was getting any Washington dollars until some relatively small grants from the NED and the Center for a Free Cuba were revealed (see Counterpunch: "Reporters Without Borders Unmasked"). When asked to account for its large income RSF has claimed the money came from the sale of books of photographs. But researcher Salim Lamrani has pointed out the improbability of this claim. Even taking into account that the books are published for free, it would have had to sell 170 200 books in 2004 and 188 400 books in 2005 to earn the more than $2 million the organization claims to make each year ­ 516 books per day in 2005. The money clearly had to come from other sources, as it turns out it did.

The I.R.I., an arm of the Republican Party, specializes in meddling in elections in foreign countries, as a look at NED annual reports and the I.R.I. website shows. It is one of the four core grantees of the NED, the organization founded by Congress under the Reagan administration in 1983 to replace the CIA's civil society covert action programs, which had been devastated by exposure by the Church committee in the mid-1970s (Ignatius, 1991). The other three pillars of the NED are the National Democratic Institute (the Democratic Party), the Solidarity Center (AFL-CIO) and the Center for International Private Enterprise (U.S. Chamber of Commerce). But of all the groups the I.R.I. is closest to the Bush administration, according to a recent piece in The New York Times exposing its role in the overthrow of Haitian president Jean-Bertrand Aristide:

"President Bush picked its president, Lorne W. Craner, to run his administration's democracy-building efforts. The institute, which works in more than 60 countries, has seen its federal financing nearly triple in three years, from $26 million in 2003 to $75 million in 2005. Last spring, at an I.R.I. fund-raiser, Mr. Bush called democracy-building 'a growth industry.'" (Bogdanich and Nordberg, 2006)

Funding from the I.R.I. presents a major problem for RSF's credibility as a "press freedom" organization because the group manufactured propaganda against the popular democratic governments of Venezuela and Haiti at the same time that its patron, the I.R.I., was deeply involved in efforts to overthrow them. The I.R.I. funded the Venezuelan opposition to President Hugo Chavez (Barry, 2005) and actively organized Haitian opposition to Aristide in conjunction with the CIA (Bogdanich and Nordberg, 2006).

The man who links RSF to these activities is Otto Reich, who worked on the coups first as assistant secretary of state for Latin American affairs, and, after Nov. 2002, as a special envoy to Latin America on the National Security Council. Besides being a trustee of the government-funded Center for a Free Cuba, which gives RSF $50,000 a year, Reich has worked since the early 1980's with the I.R.I.'s senior vice president, Georges Fauriol, another member of the Center for a Free Cuba. But it is Reich's experience in propaganda that is especially relevant. In the 1980's he was caught up in investigations into the Reagan administration's illegal war on the Sandinistas. The comptroller general determined in 1987 that Reich's Office of Public Diplomacy had "engaged in prohibited covert propaganda activities." (Bogdanich and Nordberg, 2006). In early 2002, once George Bush had given him a recess appointment to the State Department, "Reich was soon tasked to orchestrate a massive international media defamation campaign against Chávez that has continued until this day" (Conkling and Goble, 2004).

More:
http://www.counterpunch.org/barahona08012006.html

~~~~~~~~
Reporters Without Borders, Wikipedia

~snip~
Robert Ménard on the ethics of torture

In an interview with France Culture in 2007, whilst speaking about the case of the kidnapped journalist Daniel Pearl, RWB president Robert Ménard discussed the ethics of torture.<25> Menard told France Culture:"Where do we stop? Shall we accept this logic that consists of… since we could do it in some cases, ‘you kidnap, we kidnap; you mistreat, we mistreat; you torture, we torture …?
What justifies…? Perhaps in order to free somebody, can we go there? It is a real question.

That is real life, it is that, what François just said: we are no longer in ideas, it is war, we are no longer dealing with principles. I don’t what to think. Because this happens to Marianne Pearl, I’m not saying, I’m not saying that they made a mistake because she thought that it was appropriate to do it, that it was necessary to do that, that her husband had to be saved, she was pregnant… for the sake of the baby that was going to be born, everything was permitted.

And it was absolutely necessary to save him and if it was necessary to attack a certain number of people, they had to attack a certain number of people, physically attack them, you understand, threatening them and torturing them, even though we might have to kill some.

I don’t know, I am lost. Because sometimes I don’t know where you have to stop, where you have to put on the brakes. What is acceptable and what is unacceptable? And at the same time, for the families of those that were kidnapped, because many times they are the people we talk to first, in Reporters without Borders; legitimately, I, if my daughter were kidnapped there would be no limit, I tell you, I tell you, there would be no limit to torture.<25>"Mr. Robert Ménard, secretary general of the RSF for twenty years, has confessed to receiving financing from the National Endowment for Democracy (NED), an organization that has been accused of using American taxpayer dollars to subvert democracy abroad. <26>

Western intelligence agencies
An article by John Cherian in the leftist Indian magazine Frontline alleged that RWB "is reputed to have strong links with Western intelligence agencies" and "Cuba has accused Robert Meynard the head of the group, of having CIA links".<27> The organization has denied the allegation made by Cuba.<28>

Otto Reich
Lucie Morillon, RWB's Washington representative, confirmed in an interview on 29 April 2005 that the organization has a contract with US State Department's Special Envoy to the Western Hemisphere, Otto Reich, who signed it in his capacity as a trustee for the Center for a Free Cuba, to inform Europeans about the repression of journalists in Cuba.<29>

Critics of RWB, such as CounterPunch, have cited Reich's involvement with the group as a source of controversy: when Reich headed the Reagan administration's Office of Public Diplomacy in the 1980s, the body partook in what its officials termed "White Propaganda" – covert dissemination of information to influence domestic opinion regarding US backing for military campaigns against Left-wing governments in Latin America.<30><31> An investigation into the Office’s activities by the US Comptroller-General found that under Otto Reich it was engaged in "prohibited, covert propaganda activities ... beyond the range of acceptable agency public information activities".<32>

In 2002, Reich was appointed to the visiting board of the Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation,<33> which was formerly known as the School for the Americas, and described in 2004 by the LA Weekly as a “torture-teaching institution”.<34> According to Amnesty International, the School in the past has produced training manuals which advocated torture, blackmail, beatings and executions.<35>

Reacting to Otto Reich’s appointment to the visiting board, School of the Americas Watch said, “Reich on a board charged with monitoring the human rights integrity of an institution as notorious as this one is like the fox guarding the henhouse. His appointment to this position exposes the rubber-stamp character and hypocritical function of such a board…The underlying objective of both the school and Mr. Reich is to continue to control the economic and political systems of Latin America by training and arming Latin American militaries.”<36>

According to critics, Reich has a “Stalinist-type contempt for press freedom”.<37> In the 1980s it is alleged that he conducted sex smears against journalists critical of the Contra rebel group in Nicaragua.<37> Reich himself has joked about his attitude to criticism – in 2002 in mock indignation he joked that opponents had "said that I can't make rational decisions because of my ideology. Well, they are not saying that anymore, because I had them all arrested this morning."<38>

Cuba
RWB has been highly critical of press freedom in Cuba, describing the Cuban government as "totalitarian" and engages in direct campaigning against it.<39> RWB's campaign includes declarations on radio and television, full-page ads in Parisian dailies, posters, leafletting at airports, and an April 2003 occupation of the Cuban tourism office in Paris.<40> A Paris court (tribunal de grande instance) ordered RWB to pay 6,000 Euros to the daughter and heir of Alberto Korda for non-compliance with a court order of 9 July 2003 banning it from using Korda’s famous (and copyrighted) photograph of Ernesto "Che" Guevara in a beret, taken at the funeral of La Coubre victims. RWB said it was "relieved" it was not given a harsher sentence.<39><41> The face had been superimposed by RSF with that of a May 1968 CRS anti-riot police agent, and the postcard handed out at Orly Airport in Paris to tourists boarding on flights for Cuba. Korda's daughter declared to Granma that "Reporters Without Borders should call themselves Reporters Without Principles."<42> Led by Robert Ménard, RWB also burst into the Cuban Tourism Office in Paris on 4 April, 2003, obstructing the running of the office for nearly four hours.<43><44> On April 24, 2003, RWB organized a demonstration outside the Cuban embassy in Paris.<43>

RWB in turn has been described as an "ultra-reactionary" organization by the official newspaper of the Central Committee of the Cuban Communist Party, Granma.<39> Tensions between Cuban authorities and RWB are high, particularly after the imprisonment in 2003 of 75 dissidents (27 journalists) by the Cuban Government, including Raúl Rivero and Oscar Elías Biscet.

RWB has denied that its campaigning on Cuba are related to payments it has received from anti-Castro organisations. In 2004, it received $50,000 from the Miami based exile group, the Center for a Free Cuba, which was personally signed by the US State Department's Special Envoy to the Western Hemisphere, Otto Reich.<30> RWB has also received extensive funding from other institutions long critical of Fidel Castro's government, including the International Republican Institute<45>

Salim Lamrani, a pro-Castro journalist, has accused Reporters Without Borders with making unsupported and contradictory statements regarding Internet connectivity in Cuba.<46>

More:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reporters_Without_Borders
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demoleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 07:37 AM
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74. what has this all to do with the fact that journalists are jailed in cuba?
and that official information is government-controlled?
nothing, of course.

we're not discussing RWB.
RWB reports some facts about journalists. deny the facts if you can, not RWB.

then we may discuss for centuries about RWB funding.

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ronnie624 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 01:36 AM
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71. RSF.
How unexpected.

:eyes:
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demoleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 07:41 AM
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75. i find it curious instead...
Edited on Wed Jan-06-10 07:41 AM by demoleft
...how so many find it embarassing RWB and not cuba endorsement of china or venezuela.
countries where human rights and freedom of opinion are not exactly the first government care.

the more curious, indeed - since the first name of this message board is "democratic".

:)
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 04:55 PM
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76. I was wondering why it took so long.
Edited on Wed Jan-06-10 04:55 PM by Mika
Cubanet's web is wide. (Cubanet is the admitted actual source for most all RSF, AI, HRW "reports" on Cuba, which are often verbatim reprints of Cubanet's fabrications called "reports". They are paid for with US tax dollars. Works like this .... No more big bad Castro repression "reports" = no more US tax money for Cubanet.)

Propaganda directly intended for Americans paid for by Americans.

Its like getting a Democratic Party progress report from Faux News.













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demoleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 05:48 PM
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77. tell the journalists behind the bars. n/t
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Billy Burnett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 06:18 PM
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78. You have that right, Mika.
I bet these know nothing DUer Cuba experts will actually call the paid agents of the declared enemy "journalists".

:hi:

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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 06:29 PM
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53. If the US gov't wanted to PROVE Cuba is horrible, why wouldn't they let us all go see for ourselves?
That would definitely clear out any confusion and we would all SEE they've been right all this time!

Seems like a simple answer to any suspicion our own government has been LYING to us for political reasons.
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Billy Burnett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 06:30 PM
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79. When Cuba busts an agent of the enemy it's bad. When the US does, it's a victory against terrorism.
Edited on Wed Jan-06-10 06:30 PM by Billy Burnett
It is as if some Americans are completely removed from the reality that the US has been and is involved in covert activities against the declared enemy "terror states", which, sadly, includes little old Cuba.

Sometimes the Cuban agents in Miami get arrested and either deported or jailed. Sometimes US agents get arrested and jailed in Cuba. Of course both sides will emit a hue and cry over the injustice. The sparse leaked details gives the rabble something to babble about. Meanwhile... there's money to be made. Contractors to be reimbursed. Programs to cut to pay for all of the corruption. The thing to do is to look at the side that is operating in this way. Then look at the other side, that is expanding social programs, education, health infrastructure, sustainability.

Cuba seems to do a better job at delivering the infrastructure that Cubans want, albeit modest considering the sparse available resources/credit that Cuba has in the global marketplace, than the USA does at a vastly wasteful cost and pace.


:hi:






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Synicus Maximus Donating Member (828 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 10:34 PM
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68. when they are out to get you paranoia is just good thinking
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bamacrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 03:30 AM
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73. Duh. but...
had we not always been in their countries killing their people and blowing shit up they may not try to attack us so often. We fucked Afghanistan in the 80s and look what happened we invaded two Muslim nations and look what happened. I mean it isnt a secret that they dont hate us for our freedoms yet our foreign policy.
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