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Purveyor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-13-10 02:44 PM
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Economy Improved in 10 of 12 Fed Districts, Signaling Recovery Broadening
Source: Bloomberg

By Michael McKee

Jan. 13 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. economy improved in 10 of the Federal Reserve’s 12 districts last month, marking a broadening of the recovery, the central bank said today.

“While economic activity remains at a low level, conditions have improved modestly further,” the Fed said today in its Beige Book business survey, published two weeks before the Federal Open Market Committee meets to set monetary policy. The Philadelphia and Richmond Fed districts reported “mixed conditions.”

The beige book offers anecdotal evidence that will help central bankers weigh developments in an economy where unemployment is projected to remain above 10 percent through the first half of the year. Policy makers, who next meet Jan. 26-27, last month repeated a pledge to keep borrowing costs “exceptionally low” for an “extended period.”

Read more: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=awIeIF.HHZ5M&pos=3
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Craftsman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-13-10 02:52 PM
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1. Where are the decent paying new jobs?
No jobs, no recovery.
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DCBob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-13-10 03:09 PM
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2. The recovery is just beginning. Jobs always lag..
This was a devastating economic crisis which nearly became a depression. We should be thankful the vast majority of us are not standing in soup lines.
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Craftsman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-13-10 03:12 PM
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3. Jobs are needed now.
Until they come there is not recovery for anyone but the banker thieves.
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-13-10 03:15 PM
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4. anecdotal evidence ? nt
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-13-10 03:56 PM
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7. The Cornucopians make claims that things are getting better.
They just can't say why.

If they think things can't get any worse, heres just one clue that indeed it can:



I can't for the life of me understand how some people just cannot see the writing on the wall.
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cufford Donating Member (57 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-13-10 03:29 PM
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5. Nonsense
Edited on Wed Jan-13-10 04:02 PM by cufford
We've only just begun to see the tip of the iceberg of the ever increasing depression.

These daily reports are meaningless, and for every positive one, there are two more negative ones to counter. It continues to be a net loss, and that's not going to end in our lifetimes.

This has not been some cyclical "down-turn" or "recession" and there can be no "recovery". Buzz words only to keep the masses appeased, despite the facts.

We're seeing the consequences of 3-4 decades of declining wages (since the mid-70's, and accelerated by NAFTA and related so-called "Free Trade" agreements). A critical mass of the best paying, working-class jobs in this country have been eliminated. Industry, gone. Manufacturing, gone. Leading exporter, gone. A complete restructuring of our economic system over the past several decades. It's a completely different game than it's ever been in this country since the industrial revolution. Comparisons to the Great Depression, or any other subsequent economic cycle are mostly meaningless because it's apples and oranges. It's a different kind of economy now. And it's most certainly not a swinging pendulum as people would understandably like to believe - at their own peril.

The economy is collapsing because there are fewer and fewer consumers, thanks to ever declining wages in this country. It has little to do with "Wall Street" shenanigans of the past decade, as they would love for us to believe (while they do nothing about that). Anything to keep distracting us from the real problem of low wages. This is the elephant in the room that nobody in power wants to touch. Because to do so not only goes against the philosophy of big corporations, but it would be admitting that these trade polices were not just flawed, but fatal to our once greatest economy on the planet.

Even full employment (100%) would make little difference in anything, because we're now a nation of minimum wage jobs for the masses. And that's the problem. UNDERemployment, rather than UNemployment. Even many who are working full time are not making even basic ends meet.

Unless wages begin to increase again (they clearly won't) not only will nothing turn around for the better, but we'll simply continue to spiral downward towards full blown depression, or more accurately third-world economy status, run by an Oligarchy, with a small segment of very wealthy individuals/families, and most everyone else living in dystopian poverty. It's just around the corner.

Things are only going to get much worse, slowly but steadily over the coming years and decades. It took 30+ years to get us to this point, and it would take just as long to return to those prosperous days, if the institutions of power even wanted to make that happen. They don't. It's all about cheap labor for big corporations, but that also killed the American marketplace because those employees are also the consumers who purchased the goods and services. Big corporations like the automakers fired their own best customers, and now the chickens are coming home to roost.

Good paying jobs created demand, which creates more jobs. Minimum wage jobs kill demand and fall short of what's needed to even sustain an even-keel in the economy. And it's now progressed far enough that it's a self-perpetuating downward spiral. As more people loose their jobs, more and more people will loose their jobs. It's a domino effect that cannot be stopped at this point. Not without a significant increase in wages for the masses.

Since that's clearly not in our future, it's a mathematical certainty that we're headed towards the bottom, and have a very long ways to get there yet.

Stimulus packages that create a few jobs temporarily is only sweeping the dirt under the rug. It does not change the equation over the long term.

It's wages for the masses that matters. That is the fuel of our economy. People being able to afford to consume goods and services beyond the most basic. That well has been bled dry and it simply isn't coming back in our lifetimes. There is absolutely no reasonable evidence to suggest otherwise.

If we doubled the minimum wage, our economy would take off like a rocket. Money in the pockets of the masses is what fuels the economy.

Big corporations clearly only think short term; that next quarterly report, and with no regard for the long term. This much is clear. Their actions of the past few decades of outsourcing has, ironically, killed the very market they serve. If they started paying their workers much more, including those time-honored benefits, they'd see a growing market of people who could afford to buy their products, and even at higher prices to offset the labor increases. But that's a long term strategy, and as we know, that's not how they work.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-13-10 03:37 PM
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6. +100000000
And welcome to DU.
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pecwae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-13-10 03:59 PM
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8. Welcome to DU!
Damn good post.
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bain_sidhe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-13-10 04:07 PM
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9. Make this an OP so I can rec it!!!! n/t
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cufford Donating Member (57 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-13-10 04:13 PM
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10. Thanks, but I don't know how
Thanks, but I don't know how. I just post comments from time to time on articles I find here. I don't know much else about how this site works in other ways.
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bain_sidhe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-13-10 04:17 PM
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11. You may not be able to -
I don't know how many posts you have to have to start a thread. But, it certainly was a rec-worthy post!
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-13-10 04:21 PM
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12. I saw someone with just 12 posts post an OP this morning. That poster
was the winner, very shortly thereafter, of a fresh piping-hot pizza.

When I joined, I think I had to have 25 posts to make an OP.
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-13-10 04:23 PM
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13. Plenty of DUers will disagree with you...
But not me.

Lots of DUers think the immediate future will be full of sunshine and daisies and skittles-shitting unicorns. Yet, when you ask them to make their case, they ignore you. The fact is that we are a civilization in collapse. It will not get better any time soon, if ever.
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TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-13-10 04:36 PM
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14. In fact, the OP will likely heartily, although politely disagree with you.
Edited on Wed Jan-13-10 04:37 PM by TheWatcher
Since he has admitted himself in the past that he purposely posts all of the Positive Propaganda he can find (To be fair to him, it isn't Propaganda to him, I think he actually believes things are really recovering), just to piss off the doomers.

"Yet, when you ask them to make their case, they ignore you."

Well, that's not always the case. A lot of times they will spew ad hominem attacks, or simply Google furiously to find another nugget of mainstream Propaganda to illustrate you are a doomer and you don't know what you are talking about.

Or You Hate Obama, You Want The Economy to Fail, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera......

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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-13-10 04:54 PM
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16. I'm not a doomer as usually connotated here. I'm a realist. And,
reality just happens to lean towards doom at this point in our history. All the cotton candy and lollipops in the world aren't going to sugar-coat it. I've said it many times before and I'll say it again: We are being reduced to a level of poverty and indebtedness equal to that of a third-world country. We are 300 million debt slaves and we are tapped out. The richest 1% no longer want to support the American middle-class lifestyle. That means crushing us financially and reducing our wage expectancy to dollars-per-day, rather than dollars-per-hour. Meanwhile, whole new markets of upwardly mobile people by the billions are ripe for the pickings in China and India. The paradigm has shifted.
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TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-13-10 08:29 PM
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18. Doomer is a childish, juvenile label the cheerleaders adopted to paste on anyone who questions
"The Recovery".

Those who can look past the Propaganda and Spin and can think for themselves, and see what is really going on pretty much get this treatment at one time or another.

The desperate "Need To Believe" or "Support the Football Team To Make Sure They Keep The Ball" has really destroyed some people's ability to reason or think critically.

Everything you posted here is dead on, and I agree with it 100%.

But you know what, I have to tell you, I really do agree with Bernanke on one point.

He is right.

The Recession Is Over.

The DEPRESSION has just begun.

And that's where that criminal and I differ.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-13-10 04:46 PM
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15. Welcome to DU, cufford, and a great post!
Beyond all the basic truth you have in your post, it gets me thinking about medieval feudalism, the Aristiocrats' Utopia and where we are headed back to.

Our aristocracy doesn't care about us buying things, after all, we didn't buy much during the Dark Ages, and that was Rich Man's HEAVEN (if only they could have had the antibiotics and technology to go with their vision of heaven, which is ultimately what they are aiming for now).

We forget that certain enlightenment assumptions are our modern foundational underpinnings, and we close our eyes to the wholesale rollback of the Enlightenment that is beneath our civilization's collapse.

I only bring this up to add just a bit to your excellent post, and that is the idea that our Aristocracy NEEDS us to economically prosper for them to prosper, to be able to "buy their crap".

But they don't, and it isn't obvious yet because we are standing directly in the middle of the transition from Enlightenment to Dark Ages, Modern Neoliberal Economy and the Neofeudalism that is coming very rapidly (with a PR Man's wet dream of a medievally gullible American Populace combined with the most advanced PR machinery in human history equally more than enough plausible deniability to fool the rubes just like in the Dark Ages).

That is our own false assumption of denial, that the Aristorcacy NEEDS us. It doesn't, and once neofeudalism is back FULLY in place, a decade or two from now (maybe longer but I severely doubt it), it will be very clear how little we peasants are needed, except to clean the toilets and carry the sedan-chairs of the aristocracy (once the cheap energy runs out).

Analyzing the Dark Heart of the Aristocracy with Enlightenment ideas is always a mistake

They don't need us to buy their crap once the Feudalism gets fully underway.
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bain_sidhe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-13-10 05:04 PM
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17. NeoFeudalism is right
My Dearly Beloved is a history fan, and he's always pointing out that in *actual* feudalism, the nobles had a duty to care for their serfs, at least at the most basic level. And it was good "business sense" to do so - healthy, relatively happy serfs were productive serfs. True, some neglected that duty, but the expectation was there nonetheless. These neofeudal capitalists don't even have that much of a sense of obligation.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 10:53 AM
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24. That's right. They have figured out a way to get rich without us buying stuff
from them. It's called "bailout"
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Loge23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 08:52 AM
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20. Great post!
This kind of statement used to be a fringes of conspiracy theory, but now it's so obviously true.
Nice job.
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 10:04 AM
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21. welcome to DU cufford! n/t
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 10:55 AM
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25. Nonsense?
If you want to fit in at DU, you should learn to use words like bullshit.

Other than that, :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
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Loge23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 08:50 AM
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19. Where???
I live in one of the most populous states, Florida, and we have not seen any significant signs of recovery yet.
Where are they seeing this, North Dakota??
I'm happy for the ND'ers if this is so, but this hardly qualifies as any meaningful national recovery.
On another note, this is actually quite troubling if we are now being fed (excuse the pun) blatant lies about the situation even as we all know that this can't possibly be true.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 10:51 AM
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23. You must be in one of the 2/12 declining districts!
Edited on Thu Jan-14-10 10:52 AM by Doctor_J
:sarcasm:

Your other point is also deadly accurate

we are now being fed (excuse the pun) blatant lies about the situation even as we all know that this can't possibly be true


I can't believe the entity that got us into this depression is telling us how it's going.
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nod factor Donating Member (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 10:44 AM
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22. Woohoo!
Jump for joy everyone it's the jobless, balance sheet recovery.
Transfer the toxicity in the Banks' balance sheets to the Fed's balance sheets.
And with a few arbitrary accounting changes, record profits at various trading desks, and bingo, presto, change-o recovery!!!
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