Danish NATO destroyer sinks pirate mothership off Somalia

[Adsos Letter]

Source: MSNBC

BRUSSELS - NATO says one of its destroyers has sunk a pirate mothership in the Indian off the Somali coast.

A statement said the Danish warship HDMS Absalon disrupted a pirate operation by "scuttling" a pirate skiff, one of the large boats Somali gangs use to transport attack teams to hunting areas far off the coast.

NATO anti-piracy spokeswoman Shona Lowe said the action occurred in the Somali Basin, a term the alliance uses to denote the Indian Ocean rather than the adjacent Gulf of Aden where most pirate attacks take place.

Lowe said she could not immediately provide further details on the incident.



Read more: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35643878

[Tim01 2.0]

1. A good start. nt

[Mudoria]

2. Vikings strike in the 21st century!

[Codeine]

3. How long before the pirate apologists show up?

And can you imagine how different the reaction would be had the USN done this? :spray:

[DainBramaged]

4. Not as soon as the Toyota apologists

:evilgrin:

[Codeine]

5. Every pirate I've ever owned was fantastic. nt

[Dappleganger]

14. Arrrrrrrrrgh! nt

[jberryhill]

22. Pirates?

Don't you mean Somali Seafaring Environmental Activists?

[Codeine]

23. The moral equivalent of our Founding Fathers, no doubt.

:evilgrin:

[Blue_Tires]

24. they aren't that bad...trying to fight the good fight against shitty circumstances

http://www3.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Houston+Astros+v+Pittsburgh+Pirates+EEecEJTZ2wul.jpg

[Psephos]

34. In 2009 they clinched the longest streak of consecutive losing seasons in baseball history.

Actually, the longest streak in any North American professional sport.

No apology forthcoming from me. They've earned their derision.

[nyy1998]

60. They did turn the best minor league system into one of the worst

Wait, are we talking about the Somalia Pirates or the Pittsburgh Pirates?

[opihimoimoi]

6. Only ONE??? Gettum all...sinkum and killum....eye for eye...Piracy is so GOPesque

[Tim01 2.0]

11. We could pay extortion instead. I'm sure they would like that. nt

[polly7]

25. Reparation would be good. By ALL countries who have dumped

their toxic crap there.

[warm regards]

66. Toxic...? Hell, that was nothing compared to the existing conditions.

[polly7]

101. What does that mean, it makes no sense at all?

How could ruining an environment these people make their living from and watching people who are struggling to exist as it is ...... become more sick ....... and be better than it was because they're being treated to the rich's toxic waste??? It makes as much sense as saying DU in Iraq is improving the lives of all those children while we all know leukemia is already doubled.


That's not even funny.

[USfirst1]

79. About time

This should have been happening all along. Our defense is always how to diffuse a situation without force. Take them out immediately and this crap will stop. A) piracy will end or B) there won't be any left if we sink them!!

[StreetKnowledge]

7. Nicely done.

Get those people. There are more out there.

And in addition to this:



Next time, make sure you also send one of these:

[cowman]

8. Great Pic

I remember the Spooky strikes in Vietnam. the saying went
Where Spooky goes, nothing grows

[polly7]

9. I guess I'll be the first 'apologist' (but not for the methods these pirates

are using).

"Somali pirates have accused European firms of dumping toxic waste off the Somali coast and are demanding an $8m ransom for the return of a Ukranian ship they captured, saying the money will go towards cleaning up the waste.

The ransom demand is a means of “reacting to the toxic waste that has been continually dumped on the shores of our country for nearly 20 years”, Januna Ali Jama, a spokesman for the pirates, based in the semi-autonomous region of Puntland, said.

“The Somali coastline has been destroyed, and we believe this money is nothing compared to the devastation that we have seen on the seas.”

http://enduringamerica.com/2009/04/19/somalia-toxic-waste-and-piracy/


They've also watched their childrens' health decline and livlihoods destroyed.

I don't advocate their methods, but I do understand their anger. jmo.

[Turbineguy]

10. Nigerian Scam....

Move over.

[polly7]

12. Hardly.

Allegations of the dumping of toxic waste, as well as illegal fishing, have circulated since the early 1990s.

But evidence of such practices literally appeared on the beaches of northern Somalia when the tsunami of 2004 hit the country.

The UN Environment Programme (UNEP) reported the tsunami had washed up rusting containers of toxic waste on the shores of Puntland.

Nick Nuttall, a UNEP spokesman, told Al Jazeera that when the barrels were smashed open by the force of the waves, the containers exposed a “frightening activity” that has been going on for more than decade.

“Somalia has been used as a dumping ground for hazardous waste starting in the early 1990s, and continuing through the civil war there,” he said.

“European companies found it to be very cheap to get rid of the waste, costing as little as $2.50 a tonne, where waste disposal costs in Europe are something like $1000 a tonne.

http://enduringamerica.com/2009/04/19/somalia-toxic-waste-and-piracy/


These people make their living and feed their families off this coastline. Now, they're also not only losing that ability, but are also falling ill. I suppose it's ok though, they're just more of the 'have nots' the world can dump on and kill when they try to fight back with nothing.

[nyc 4 Biden]

13. +1

[Uncle Joe]

89. I second your post, polly and this is one of the major problems with nuclear energy.

Nobody wants the waste dumped or stored in their backyard.

So a weak Somalia with little or no government to promote oversight, enforce or protest environmental crimes has been taken advantage of; used as a dumping ground which has all but destroyed that nation's ability to sustain it self.

Desperate times call for desperate measures and the destruction of their environment and livelihoods has driven this pirate resurgence.

[polly7]

103. Excellent post. You said what I tried to and did much better.

It's good to see a few here that really do care about those with nothing.

[Dappleganger]

15. Somalia, a capitalist's dream come true. nt

[Renew Deal]

16. Glad to hear it

and I hope there's plenty more of this to come.

[polly7]

17. What, bombing people that are losing everything because

the richest, most hypocritical nations in the world are dumping toxic waste that's destroying them?

Geez, I hope your backyard isn't the next dumping ground.

[Renew Deal]

18. Yes, lots more of the poor victims of toxic waste.

In fact, it's a plot by the Europeans to drive the Somali's to the seas to expedite their demise. :rofl:

[polly7]

19. Funny stuff.

Why not volunteer your back yard for this toxic crap and let them leave the poorest of the poor alone?

[cowman]

20. And I'm

sure these pirates are using the ransom money to clean up the seas.:rofl:

Good job Danish Navy

[polly7]

21. Of course we'll give you and others who agree with you that they

deserve all this the benefit of the doubt and say definitely, they won't. Nobody is honest but the illegal dumpers. Rah rah Danish army, how many were killed? The more the merrier?

:sarcasm:

Why are so many up in arms over Chinese products containing toxics, and yet turn a blind eye to this practice that is literally ruining lives as we speak? I don't get it.

[cowman]

27. Danish Army?

Since when did the Danish Army take over the Danish Navy?

I'm not going to lose any sleep over a bunch of Somali pirates, who terrorize innocent crewmembers, getting killed

Once again, Good job Danish Navy

[polly7]

29. You're so quick to pick up silly errors but veeeeeeeerrrry slow

to answer questions. When are you going to volunteer your backyard for a dumping ground.

I'd call ruining innocent lives, cutting off their livelihoods and making people seriously ill, terrorism, as in forcing them to deal with toxic waste without any ability to fight it.

Once again ......... baffling how hypocritical it is to watch people suffer from the rich dumping their killing crap while complaining about it coming in from other countries.

[cowman]

43. I'm not going to

volunteer because guess what? I don't have to. These people didn't volunteer either but if you think that the pirates are sending this ransom money to some environmental group for cleanup, I've got some swamp land for sale

[polly7]

45. Well aren't you the lucky one then. :)

These people have no choice. And yes, I do believe there are just as many honest Somalians trying to stop it as there are honest citizens in any other country. So you can keep your swampland. Maybe offer it to the Danes.

[cowman]

51. And I'm sure there are

many honest Somalians trying to clean up but it sure ain't the pirates.

[cowman]

52. And oh

BTW, I tried selling to the Danes, they told me to put it on Ebay

[polly7]

56. Strange, you'd think swampland would be an obvious choice for

toxic waste. Oh well ......... too bad.

[cowman]

59. Swampland is

definitly not someplace for that crap. Where I live is just about 35 miles from the NV Test Site where some of the most toxic crap in the world is and I often wonder how much radiation got into our water table during all those tests. I was on the Test Site Fire Dept. during alot of those tests and I dont care what the Govt says I still wonder alot

[polly7]

61. That's not good. I'm sure of course you already know that swampland is a valuable

resource and destroying it is a crime itself. I hope your water is ok. That's scary.

[cowman]

62. Well the

Govt says it is but this is the same Govt that said that Saddam had WMD's. Not the same Admin but the same Fed Govt. So I take what they say with a lot of grains of salt

[polly7]

63. Probably a wise move. Have a good day. n/t.

[polly7]

54. You'd know this for sure, of course. Being where you are, nowhere

near any of them.


So many examples of 'bad' people fighting multinational terrorism - that they ALL have to be bad. We can't believe any of them would have a conscience, or dying child, or see their livelihoods lost. BULL. I don't believe 100% of them are in it to get RICH anymore than I believed Saddam's mushroom cloud was going to fall down and kill zillions.

That being said, I still don't agree with their methods.

[Jennicut]

26. Some of these same thugs are violent toward others in Somalia, the weaker people there suffer

(many women and children). They just steal from those unable to protect themselves. Even in desperate times, that is a pretty low thing to do.
Lots of info about the survival of the strongest here:
http://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/news/article.cfm?id=1587&cat=field-news

[Tailormyst]

90. You really have little idea of who you are defending

You are defending warlords who oppress and murder their own people while using poor young men to pirate for them at little cost or risk to themselves. You seem to have some romantic idea that these guys are robin hood, stealing from the rich to help the poor. They aren't. They are murderers and thieves and they frankly do not give two shits about the environment.

[Cirque du So-What]

28. I believe two wrongs don't make a right

so I can't justify piracy - no matter what grievances they may have. I'm glad that their operation has taken a major hit and hope the remaining pirates see that death is the inevitable result if they continue on that path.

I am appalled, however, at some of the responses to the mention of nuclear-waste dumping along the Somali coast. Did I accidentally log on to Sociopath Underground? Democratic Freepazoids? WTF? Employing the ROFL smiley while suggesting that this toxic-waste dumping is in the same category as conspiracy theory? It's like reading a transcript of OxyRush's horrible screed!

So go ahead, tell me to get fucked, go away or just FOAD. Nothing surprises me on this site anymore.

[polly7]

30. I don't see where anyone said the pirate's actions were right.

Understanding the anger has nothing to do with condoning or not the way they've chosen to fight this.

[Coventina]

32. You think those guys are out there "fighting" pollution?

:crazy:

As another poster pointed out, how much of their extortion pay-outs goes to environmental clean-up?

[polly7]

33. You couldn't bother to read the articles?

I guess not. Not a whole lot of interest in poor families being flooded with toxic waste. I have no idea how much goes to clean-up, I don't like extortion anymore than you do. It would be a whole lot less hypocritical if we'd all just admit our dumping, pay reparation and ensure it goes to environmental clean-up. Probably easier though to just keep the status-quo and pretend they're all risking their own lives (yes, stupidly) not for their families and country's well-being, but to get RICH! Unbelievable. I never thought I'd see the day when toxic dumping on poor people would be ignored and pooh-pooh'd.

[Coventina]

81. I don't ignore the dumping of toxic waste, but I also don't believe

that these pirates are engaging in their criminal behavior in the name of the environment.

[Tailormyst]

91. You are defnding theives and murderers who care nothing about the people or environment.

[polly7]

108. No, I'm bringing to attention the anger they feel about the toxic-

dumping practice by those same people bombing and killing them. I've said it a dozen times, extortion isn't the answer, but what are WE as nations that are hurting these people going to do about it?

And don't bother telling me who I'm defending, I'd be defending you, me or the Danes if it were the other way around. Making children sick and ruining the environment is what I'm 'defending against'. Maybe you should read more.

[polly7]

37. Oh, and it's a little more than 'pollution'. It's killer toxic waste. n/t

[Cirque du So-What]

35. Nor do I

but I carry it a step further to state that I cannot understand, sympathize, or empathize with their actions. I understand their anger, but that's the extent of it; I don't understand their decision to embrace piracy. Besides, I'm not convinced that the pirates are acting to draw attention to their exploitation at the hands of western firms who dumped toxic waste along their coast; I believe it's to take advantage of the lack of Somali government and military to curtail their privateering, which is no more noble than armed robbery.

[polly7]

36. I can't either, but what exactly can their gov't do about this?

It's been happening for decades. How can it be stopped?

[Cirque du So-What]

39. They need good lawyers

Ones who are willing to work pro bono for many years with only a nebulous prospect of realizing a payback. There's no government in Somalia on whose behalf the lawyers can work, but what about a class-action suit? This is quickly getting over my head, but an international court is the only recourse I can see.

[polly7]

41. What chance do Somalians have of getting good lawyers?

I'm assuming ............. zero to nil. Unfortunately.

Sorry, I read too fast and missed the pro-bono part. Yes, they do, and worldwide recognition for this CRIME. You're right.

[cowman]

38. Where did I

make the comparison? All I said was I'm sure the pirates were using the ransom money to clean up the seas:rofl: I'm not making fun of the toxic crap dumped in the seas, I'm making fun of the fact that someone seems to think that the pirates are going to use the ransom money to clean up the seas

And I wont tell you to get fucked, all I'm going to say is next time read my post a bit more carefully

[polly7]

40. I'm having a pretty good laugh myself at the arrogance it takes

to believe poor people can't try to stop something they see making their children ill and ruining their lives. Not by piracy, not extortion .......... but, how?????????

[polly7]

44. Oh, and I don't give a * whether you tell me to get *'d or not.

I disagree with the toxic waste in our children's toys, our food, our animal food - I'll disagree with toxic waste making children sick anywhere. So say what you want. It means nothing to me.

[cowman]

47. Wasn't talking

to you

[polly7]

48. Oh ok. My apologies. n/t

[Cirque du So-What]

50. Yours wasn't the one that offended me

It rankles when someone refers sarcastically to 'those poor people' and deploys the ROFL smiley when something that I consider a crime against humanity has been perpetrated against them. That's the sort of thing conservatives laugh about, and it's incredibly mean-spirited & misanthropic. It's why conservatives don't have any good comedians; their humor involves making fun of the weak and disenfranchised. OUR humor, on the other hand, makes fun of wealth, power & privilege.

I also took exception with what seemed to be a denial that dumping even occurred. Perhaps it's overreaction, but it gets frustrating to come here day after day and see denial of everything from global climate change to health concerns over our food supply - and now this.

I agree that it's ludicrous to assume the Somali pirates would use ransom money to clean up their coast, and I'll observe that it's beyond the scope of their means. For that reason, I'd like to see the corporations responsible for creating this mess to pay for cleanup (assuming it's even possible) to the tune of billions of dollars. I can't justify piracy under any circumstances, but I also can't justify nuclear-waste dumping, which I consider a crime against humanity.

[polly7]

53. Well said. A++. n/t

[cowman]

55. OK I

apologize to you and Polly 7 if I rankled any feathers. My point is that these pirates are nothing more than thugs and maybe when the first Somali pirates started they had good intentions but now all they want is money to finance their pirate ops and maybe to feed and clothe their families, but when you hijack a ship, you have to expect consequences for your actions

[polly7]

57. How many did these pirates kill? Just curious, I've heard nothing

on that.

[jberryhill]

64. You hear what you want to hear....

http://piratebook.blogspot.com/2009/09/merchant-captain-killed-by-somali.html

Thursday, September 24, 2009

Merchant captain killed by Somali pirates

In an unusual display of violence, Somali pirates attempting to hijack a freighter today killed the captain when he refused to comply with the attackers' demands.

[polly7]

65. I said I 'didn't' hear.

Terrible for that man and his family.

There .......... doesn't that shoot your theory all to heck?

[jberryhill]

67. Killing These Two Will Clean Up Toxic Waste, Yes?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1254283/Yacht-Briton-held-Somali-pirates-blind-weeks-catching-severe-eye-infection.html

A British man kidnapped with his wife by Somali pirates is suffering from a severe eye infection that could leave him blind.

Paul Chandler is understood to have contracted the infectious disease trachoma, which is prevalent in East African countries such as Somalia. The condition could lead to him becoming blind within weeks.

-----

But it's all for a good cause in your book.

[polly7]

68. No death or suffering is worth any cause. Why do you make things up I've never

even imagined, let alone said?

No, it's not all good. Neither is rah-rahing the bombing of people anywhere or joking about dumping toxic waste - or believing that not a single one of these men haven't suffered because of it and are ALL in it only to get RICH. I've said over and over I disagreed with their methods and asked how the dumping could be stopped legally. Did you miss it or just ignore it to score some sort if point?

And stop pretending you know me, or how I think. I asked how many the pirates had killed because I hadn't heard of any casualties, I now know and am very sorry for them and their families.

[jberryhill]

71. Why Do They Just Keep Demanding Money?

Every time they take a ship, they ask for money.

Same with the British hostages they are in the process of killing slowly. Not a single demand relating to toxic waste.

Just money.

[polly7]

73. How do you clean up toxic waste without money? nt.

[NickB79]

76. Before they clean it up, they have to demand that nations stop dumping in the first place

Money does very little good if more waste is dumped on the newly cleaned sites.

And since tens of millions of dollars has already been paid in ransom in the past few years, do you have evidence that ANY of that money has been spent so far to clean up toxic waste sites?

[polly7]

85. They have to 'demand'.

LOL Good one. Yes, like a person being raped demands her / his rapist cease and desist, like a nation of indigenous people demand their murederers stop giving smallpox blankets to their children, like Iraqi mothers demand that no more of their children are buried three together in dirty cardboard boxes.

Demanding is useless unless enough people with influence in the world even bother to listen to or care about those demands. The Somali people may as well demand human beings dumping toxic crap suddenly grow a conscience.

Or, were you kidding?

[Tailormyst]

92. The warlords who pay the young ment to pirate for them care nothing for the people or the water

They care about more money to buy more drugs and guns. They are vicious and oppressive to the weak around them.

[polly7]

98. Of course you know this. Nothing like not giving credit to any

one of them. Do you KNOW as fact they all are even aware of the corruption? I don't. Just as I don't know as fact anyone fighting knows what goes on behind the scenes by the most corrupt. Iraq is a good example among many. Forget the dumping. Jusr forget it ...... it doesn't affect us anyway, right?

[naaman fletcher]

118. Do you really think the pirates care about the dumping?

Of course it is wrong, but do you actually think the pirates are environmentalists who are sitting around worried about the oceans? Do you think they don't throw their trash overseas from their pirate vessels?

Come on! I bet every one of them would dump wasted off of their coast for half of what whoever is doing it now charges.

[NickB79]

77. Dupe. nt

[jberryhill]

84. Yes, that's exactly what they are doing with the money...

I understand they are also sponsoring grants in the fine arts and promoting their upcoming Shakespeare At Sea festival.

A Midsummer's Night Dream In Semaphore was very well received by critics last year.

[polly7]

86. Hahahahaha.

Funny to laugh at people, isn't it. I never said I believed for a second that anything but admittance and reparation was what was needed to help these people. I said they have a right to be angry ...... very angry. From anger breeds stupidity and yes ......... people who take advantage of others and corruption. You're 100% positive none of these men have been affected by the poison sludge these well-off nations have been dumping on them? I'm not, we disagree. No big deal. I plan on looking into this much further and trying to get the word out. It's not a joke. What sort of does strike me as sick and not funny at all is million dollar bombers and their fans rah-rahing death while their ships continue to dump more poison. The Somali people don't seem to have a lot of support fighting this, do they? That's the shame ....

[Tailormyst]

93. No one is laughing at "people"

They are laughing at your insistence that the warlords are some sort of Robin Hood, caring only for the good of their people and the clean up of their waters.

What is happening to the people of Somalia is awful, but you are backing the wrong horse.

[polly7]

97. And I'm laughing at the typical shtick that because some are bad,

they automatically all are. Do you know as FACT every one of these men is doing what they are to be the next Somalian Donald Trump? I am just saying they see everyday the results of the horrific, disgusting dumping and have reason to be angry. And again .............. no .............. I don't agree with their actions. It would be fantastic if, as someone else stated, they could gather enough attention to band together enough lawyers pro-bono to take up their cause and file class actions suits. As any other country 'with means' in the world would have done years ago. mo.

[jberryhill]

94. The Somali People?

The Somali people, my dear, are largely held hostage to internecine warfare among violent heavily-armed warlords and their bands of thugs.

If you are suggesting that these hoodlums are representative of the Somali people, then I want some of what you've been drinking.

It would be nice if they could get a break and get back to quietly mutilating female genitalia.

http://www.unicef.org/somalia/cpp_136.html

Female Genital Mutilation (FGM) has a prevalence of about 95 per cent in Somalia and is primarily performed on girls between the ages of four and 11. This traditional practice is embedded deep within Somali culture, and the belief is widely held that FGM is necessary to “cleanse” a girl child. In some communities, girls cannot be married without it.

[polly7]

96. Oh, I realize there is much to be saddened about in Somalia,

however, female genital mutilation has nothing to do with rich nations adding to their misery dumping toxic poison into their waters.

But thanks, m'dear:)

[jberryhill]

104. Well, then, we make a deal...

"You stop female genital mutilation, and we'll stop dumping toxic waste on you."

After all, most of the toxic waste dumpers are only doing it to advance the cause of women's rights. But you believe the media picture that conveniently leaves out that fact.

[polly7]

107. Their customs, as abhorent as they may be, have nothing to do

with the toxic shores they now suffer with. Do you think for ONE second those dumping that sh*t care about Somalian females??? The females that are watching their children become sick and their husbands lose their livelihoods?

Women's rights groups all around the world are fighting to end the female mutilation practice, they would probably be sickened at your assertion, as am I.

[jberryhill]

110. Yes, absolutely....

Your Somalian Seafaring Environmental Activists are merely protesting the actions of the Maritime Women's Action Group.

I support the women on this one.

[polly7]

112. LOL at all the twisting and spinning you do.

Really.

Women suffer from this poison every bit as the men, or children, so your point is ................. silly. Sorry.

[polly7]

114. Btw, what hope do Somalian women have to stop this practice of

toxic dumping? Maritime Womens Action Group. Good one.

[polly7]

116. I guess you missed my post saying it was a tragedy.

What's for a good cause???? LOL. Unreal. Not that I owe it to someone who ignores what he / she wants to in order to score some sort of point, but I have said from the start that understanding the anger is far different than condoning the actions of a few. There are millions suffering - they're not all out being pirates, a lot of them are sick and looking for work to replace what this toxic crap has taken from them. Maybe you can twist that into me saying all Somalians are ......... whatever .......... I'm sure you'll think of something.

[polly7]

58. Thanks, no apology necessary. I understand where both sides

are coming from. I just don't agree with one of them.

[Winterblues]

31. A Skiff = Mothership ???????

A skiff is not a ship, mother or otherwise, it is a skiff..

[More_liberal_than_mo]

49. A skiff is a "small boat"

usually it refers to a boat less than 18 feet in length. How did the Danes get "mother ship" and "skiff" to be the same?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skiff

[bushmeister0]

42. The HDMS Absalon is making quite a name for herself.

"Feb. 5 (Bloomberg) -- Danish forces secured a merchant ship that had been seized by pirates in the Gulf of Aden, the first such rescue carried by naval forces since a surge in Somali piracy started two years ago, NATO said . . . French plane operating out of Djibouti as part the European Union’s anti- piracy force sighted pirates on board, while Danish frigate HDMS Absalon sent a helicopter and steamed toward the merchant ship, said John Harbour, a spokesman for the EU fleet.

The Danes made radio contact with the crew, and after being assured they were safely hidden from the pirates, sent special forces to board and seize the ship."

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601104&sid=aHXpGOXx1P00

[cowman]

46. You really

don't want to fuck with the Danes, their Special Forces are pretty damn good

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

69. Alright

:woohoo:

[ChairmanAgnostic]

70. framing is everything. Do people here know why they became pirates?

Or does their skin color, poverty, and desperation preclude people here from digging beyond the MSM story?

[jberryhill]

72. Do you know why Charles Manson became leader of a death cult?

It's a real tear-jerker of a story.

[polly7]

74. Wow. Was Manson trying to stop the sickness of children and

the environment? What a strange comparison. You have no idea what these people are facing and no idea if any of these men in fact do believe they can somehow stop it. And no, I still don't agree with extortion and violence, but your comparison makes no sense whatsoever.

[NickB79]

78. You keep claiming the pirates are operating to clean up their environment

Yet you haven't offered any evidence to back up that claim.

Do you have any evidence that the pirate ransoms have gone to environmental remediation?

[jberryhill]

82. Yes, Indeed He Was

Haven't you ever listened to his music?

He was working to save humanity and preserve the environment.

Stop buying the media lies, and learn that Charles Manson is all about saving the air, trees, water, and animals:

http://www.mansondirect.com/

Next up, my favorite environmentalist - the Unabomber....

[polly7]

99. I don't care about Charles Manson. He's not dumping poison on

defenseless nations.

[jberryhill]

106. That's Right! Charles Manson Is Constructively Engaged In Raising Consciousness

It's all about the air, trees, water and animals.

Charlie just gets bad press.

He's not taking hostages and holding them for ransom either.

[polly7]

111. Charlie's in jail and will die there,

I don't think he's been in contact with anyone from Somalia for quite a while, if ever. :shrug:

[proteus_lives]

75. I stopped caring when they began attacking and kidnapping people.

Pirates/mercs don't get sympathy from me.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

80. Heh. the same applies to the American Indian. Read some Zinn.

The West raped the waters outside Yemen. Poisoned it. Killed off their way of life. We destroyed their infrastructre, and their government.

And now we complain when they take matters into their own hands.

[jberryhill]

83. Yeah... Because war, genocide, and slavery were unknown to the Noble Savage....

Not.

Unless you count, say, the Arawaks, whom the Caribs were pretty much finished killing off before Columbus arrived.

[proteus_lives]

88. Shhh, they don't what to hear that.

The Zinn-ninnies believe that there was absolutely no violence or other bad things in the world until White Europeans started doing them.

Don't try to get to look at a world that isn't black and white, they tend to explode.

[polly7]

117. I thought someone in this thread said two wrongs don't make a right? n/t

[proteus_lives]

87. I have read Zinn.

Wasn't impressed.

These people are robbing, killing and kidnapping people. They are pirates, thieves and mercs who do nothing for Somalia.

I hope naval forces keep blowing them out of the water.

Maybe you've read too much Zinn, what makes them heroes in your eyes?

[MicaelS]

95. Somalia has been a cesspit since Clinton

I'm not surprised at anything that happens in that place.

[AngryAmish]

100. Bullshit. It was the ninjas

eternal enemies

[Duer 157099]

102. In the words of Wanda Sykes...

(paraphrasing)

"Pirates?? Stick a broom handle up that leg, slap an eye patch on and put a parrot on their shoulder and kick their skinny asses back to Somalia and say: "Now *that's* a pirate!"

[scottsoperson]

105. lol

lol

[polly7]

109. Is there a funny quip for people dumping poison to make children sick?

will have to google that ...................

[The Straight Story]

113. You can be against dumping and pirates as well, is it that hard to do? (nt)

[polly7]

115. Not at all, I've said from the start I'm against both.

A lot of selective reading here. I understand the anger. I don't agree with the methods. The people need help, making jokes and rah-rahing death of anyone isn't doing a thing but underscoring the fact that the rich will dump their toxic crap on any nation without the ability to fight it. And once again, for the reading impaired, extortion and piracy are not the means I believe have any chance of stopping it.

Here's a novel idea, how about every nation producing this horror have to absorb it themselves and leave the defenseless nations alone? This world is *ed when all we care about is protecting our own 'beautiful backyards' while ruining the abilitiy to work and be healthy for those already struggling just to live.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

119. I'm not sure what was accomplished, maybe created an artificial reef

The pirates' ship was sunk after all aboard were removed. I don't know the pirates' fates, probably some going to prison.

Like an Al-Qaeda "second-in-command", there will be plenty of Somalis ready to take the place of these pirates. They'll just have to steal another boat.

But this sinking is good theater.

:hi: