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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-10 03:06 PM
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Dinosaurs Arose at Least 10 Million Years Earlier Than Thought
Edited on Wed Mar-03-10 03:14 PM by kpete
Source: Wired

Dinosaurs Arose at Least 10 Million Years Earlier Than Thought

* By Tia Ghose Email Author
* March 3, 2010 |


Scientists have discovered 243-million-year-old fossils of dinosaurs’ closest relatives, pushing back the origin of dinosaurs by at least 10 million years.

The dinosaur-like creature, Asilisaurus kongwe, was about the size of a Labrador retriever and had teeth and jawbones ideally shaped for eating plants, indicating it ate a mostly vegetarian diet.

“This shows that the lineage leading to dinosaurs goes a lot further back in time than we thought. The second thing is that it shows that there’s this real ecological diversity,” said paleontologist Randy Irmis, co-author of the study appearing Mar. 3 in Nature. “No one thought that the closest relatives to dinosaurs were these four-legged, herbivorous animals. We thought they were small carnivores.”

The earliest known dinosaur fossils are around 230 million years old. The new findings indicate that the dinosaurs and the silesaurs, the group that encompasses genus Asilisaurus, diverged more than 243 million years ago. That means dinosaurs must have originated sometime before then.





Read more: http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2010/03/oldest-dinosaur-relative/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+wired%2Findex+%28Wired%3A+Index+3+%28Top+Stories+2%29%29




Life reconstruction of Asilisaurus kongwe from the Middle Triassic of Tanzania, with the sail‑backed archosaur Hypselorhachis in the background. Credit: Marlene Donnelly, Field Museum.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-10 03:11 PM
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1. Fascinating
Thanks for the link.

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GoneOffShore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-10 03:13 PM
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2. But, but, but Ken Ham says the earth is only 6000 years old!!111!
I'm series! I saw it at the Creation Museum!!11
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-10 03:20 PM
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4. So
We did ride dinosaurs?
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Champion Jack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-10 03:29 PM
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5. Well, we know that jesus did
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Submariner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-10 03:36 PM
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7. And side-saddle, which is hard to do during a gallop
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Politicalboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-10 05:51 PM
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18. And we didn't have
Photo shop back then, so the picture MUST be real. LOL!
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GoneOffShore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-10 03:34 PM
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6. And kept them as pets, too!
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-10 03:45 PM
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8. Man, that's one litter box I certainly wouldn't want to clean! nt
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GoneOffShore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-10 06:29 PM
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21. You got me!
:rofl:
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True_Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-10 05:59 PM
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20. Those were just put here by the devil to fool all of us
Seriously that is what a fundie told me once.
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-10 06:46 PM
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23. That's to be expected, since his textbook is 3,500 years old.
He just needs to update his library.
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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-10 03:18 PM
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3. ...and fundie heads across the country simultaneously explode...
:rofl:


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pundaint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-10 03:47 PM
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9. Just a trick God played on scientists when he created the World. He's such a joker.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-10 03:49 PM
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10. Teh Sientist were WRONG!!! Evalution is a FRAWD!!!!
You know it's coming.
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activa8tr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-10 04:04 PM
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12. I love how they get all upset when there's more and more and more
science for them to deny. They just wish the scientists would stop discovering all this new stuff, 'cause it makes their job OH SO MUCH harder..."to preach the literal word of their Lord"!!

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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-10 03:55 PM
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11. Very cool. Another great dino discovery this week is the snake in the sauropod nests:
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2010/03/snake-eats-babydinosaurs

This is truly amazing - a miraculously preserved ancient snake in the nest of a titanosaur, a whole life style right there in fossils. Since the snake's jaws are not the kind that could be dislocated to allow swallowing an egg, the creature apparently waited in the nests until the hatchlings broke open the eggs. Then it could eat the hatchlings.
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panzerfaust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-10 06:46 PM
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24. "miraculously preserved" - actually a mudslide I think. No divine intervention needed.
Or, perhaps it could get claimed by those pushing for John Paul to get promoted?

Sorry, just that the "M" word always sets my teeth on edge a bit - being an event inexplicable by the laws of nature - thus a supernatural event ("Miracle of the Mass, q.v.)

It really is a remarkable discovery, together with the apparent fact that this species of snake lasted until we showed up on the scene.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-10 07:01 PM
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25. Actually, I'm a scientist myself, and I understand your nervousness about the M word.
Perhaps "extraordinarily," as in :wow:, might have been a better choice, but I doubt anybody thought I actually meant divine intervention. O8)
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Golden Raisin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-10 04:42 PM
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13. How come the 2 giant sauropods
on Noah's Ark didn't sink it? Or the 2 tyrannosaurs didn't gobble up all the other pairs of animals?
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-10 04:43 PM
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14. Wow..that means man is also 243-million-years-old .
Just imagine..

" for the Bible tells me so"
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-10 10:26 PM
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31. Just this man
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-10 05:05 PM
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15. The sad thing about this?
That we're in the process of destroying what took so long to evolve and grow.
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TransitJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-10 08:39 PM
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27. We're destroying dinosaur?
I don't understand what you've postulated here.
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-10 09:09 PM
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28. We're destroying the planet
and ourselves in the process.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-10 05:17 PM
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16. John McCain prolly could've told them that
He remembers it.
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-10 05:24 PM
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17. Is that how the republicans know that people and dinosaurs
existed at the same time. And that people (strike that) Fred Flintstone rode dinosaurs around like horses.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-10 05:53 PM
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19. k/r
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panzerfaust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-10 06:32 PM
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22. So, once again the "scientists" are wrong!
Its all lies and made up stuff I tell yah. Look at the way they are always changing things. Truth does not change.

My gosh, they wrote for years and years about something called a "brontosaurus" - even had fossilized skeletons that were so called - and it turns out that "brontosaurus" never existed.

Or all that baloney about a "planet" named Pluto: Again, does NOT EXIST. Nope, and never did.

Science is just what scientists do to get published and feed their families: The made-up stories of science are nothing compared to the Eternal Truth of God (You get to pick which god, but don't be wrong - or you will pay for eternity)

As post-modernists might say at their cocktail parties "Truth doesn’t exist in any objective sense other than being a shared vision within a given culture. Truth is created by dialog rather than discovered in nature"




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TransitJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-10 08:36 PM
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26. Teach the controversy.
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golfguru Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-10 09:23 PM
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29. I am thinking....did global warming destroy dinosaurs?
why else they would just die out? They were strong and robust
and had plenty of food & water with no competition from man
or any other creature.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-10 09:53 PM
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30. Cool.
The planet was better off when they dominated it for millions and millions of years as opposed to what we've done in less than 100,000 years.
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