New Mustang V-6 With 305 HP Certified at 31 MPG Highway; Makes History as First Car With 300+ HP and

[boomerbust]

Source: moneycentral.msn.com

New 2011 Ford Mustang V-6 final fuel economy certified by EPA this week at 31 mpg on the highway and 19 mpg in the cityOn sale this spring, Mustang with new 3.7-liter V-6 achieves 305 hp with available six-speed automatic transmission; first car ever to achieve 300-plus horsepower and 30-plus mpgNew Mustang already has more than 11,000 orders, half for

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Take that Mr. Toyoda

[HopeHoops]

1. Yeah, and Toyota has never made anything nearly as cool as a Mustang.

We need a "turbo mooning" smiley.

[DrDan]

4. well . . . almost anything

[tomm2thumbs]

5. that's hot

just make sure you aren't in front of it should the brakes fail

[DrDan]

6. and it's a hybrid - a 400hp hybrid

0-60 in 4 seconds
30 mpg

who needs brakes

[davepc]

7. Did that thing ever come out? Last I read about it was in 2007.

With a six digit price tag.

[DrDan]

8. I don't think so

great hybrid concept car, however

[davepc]

9. Ferrari, Porsche, and Lotus have all made concept supercar hybrids,

Until they make a production model its all gee-whiz engineering that may or may not do what they claim it will do.

[Mopar151]

17. If anyone would like one of these

with an Eco-boost engine and replica bodywork, with contemporary chassis components
(Mustang GT or similar), please PM me.

[madokie]

103. Those are beautiful

Wish I could say I want one but my wallet won't let me utter the word want.
Do you build these yourself?
Using Ford components would make these truly something to be proud of for years to come.

[Mopar151]

119. The top one is original

Jaguar XK-120
The bottom one is a replica/"kit car". I build cars for myself and a few friends. A lot of kit cars are built around pretty cheesy components, and I can offer suspension. brake, drivetrain, and safety equipment upgrades. At the moment, I am not working in my normal trade of machinist, So I have time available. I can also offer consulting/engineering services for those who wias ho do the majority of work themselves.

[madokie]

121. Cool

My interest is not in building autos but I have an enormous amount of respect for you who have the talent and skills and who do.
I build things like taking the drivetrain from an old '77 subaru all wheel drive and build a new frame for it complete with electric motor from a golf cart and a dump bed. or like the project I just finished for myself, a yard car complete with dump bed using the motors and controllers from a discarded invacare powerchair. I'm disabled in that I can't walk much so this little cart is great for me. I'm helping my neighbor on one now and have a new bigger one in the almost finished drawing stages almost ready to start cutting and welding. I do my design work on autocad so it makes it easy to build once I get the drawing part all finished.
I've posted pics of my projects here and would again right now except I'll have to go looking for the links for them and I don't have the time right now.

My hats off to you though.
peace and have a great day

I've been building my toys since I was old enough to pick up a wrench and screwdriver

[Mopar151]

133. My hat is off to a fellow tinkerer!

My Dad and my Uncles built a multitude of stuff out of "old junk" - The Model A cordwood saw is still in use, the supermodified Roto-Tiller was dismantled before it hurt somebody! Wreckers, tractor attachments, cars, pieced-together trucks, trailers, it's all in the family.....

[liberal N proud]

55. I will stick to the Mustang

The seats in those types of cars usually are very uncomfortable. Pour yourself in and have someone pull you out.


For cool body style, you suffer inside.

[Mopar151]

67. Does'nt happen to be true of those, unlike the Cobra replicas n/t

[Kalyke]

136. Ick. That looks like a bug.

I just don't like foreign sports cars. They don't look... I don't know... tough or something.

I think that's ugly (and probably doesn't stop. :rofl: )

[Romulox]

18. Toyota is the OLD Buick. The New Buick is much hipper than Toyota atm...nt

[blue_onyx]

38. LOL...very true

I love the new Buicks. I would love to get the LaCrosse but it's a little too expensive for me.

[DissedByBush]

60. But Toyotas go fast!

Even if you don't want them to. :)

[DissedByBush]

30. Since Mustangs sucked from about '74 to '82

Toyota's nicer cars from then have a good chance of being cooler than a Mustang.

The Supra series around this time is a good candidate.

Datsun/Nissan definitely had something cooler than the Mustang at the time in the Z series.

[HopeHoops]

44. The 240Z was one of the sweetest cars ever. 280Z wasn't bad. Downhill from there.

[BootinUp]

66. Well the Z32 style 90-99 is very a nice car

was expensive in its day but very well engineered. I have a 93 convertible (Z32 is the named body style for the 300ZX of this era)

I previously owned a 71 240 as well.


maybe this picture will work.

[HopeHoops]

76. Yeah but it just doesn't have the flavor of a 240.

Maybe it was the shape. Besides, didn't the 240 have like a 5" drive shaft? I got a ride in one once and the guy could lift the front wheels off the ground in the first three gears with what seemed like very little effort.

[BootinUp]

97. the 240Z gearing changed in '72 when they changed

the tranny to a 5 speed instead a 4. My 71 was a very nice performer, high compression head 9:1, but it was long legged not as fast off the line as the 72 due to a different rear end ratio.

The Z32 was/is a more expensive car with much more technology, it retained the made for racing attitude. There ain't no cup holder, and if there was it would fly out anyways due to the excellent cornering ability.

[mopinko]

90. sweet if you didn't mind it rotting out just when it was getting broken in.

i had one, which was already old when i got it. GREAT to drive, but the rust ate through the unibody. fortunately, the throttle disconnected, and i didn't find out the hard way that it was a death trap.
did love it, tho.

[BootinUp]

99. A few or several years ago

Nissan was selling completely rebuilt 240's for the enthusiasts. About 25k apiece as I recall.

[lutefisk]

50. The Toyota Supra Turbo was pretty cool- 320hp and 155 mph (limited)

Unfortunately, that was 1998. Still, I would love to have one.

[snooper2]

134. Really...

The year Ford was making this model Rustang..





Toyota was making this....

[Kalyke]

137. And I would have still rather had the Mustang.

That Toyota looks like a wedge of cheese.

But, just so we're really comparing their looks, it would help if you used a comparabile (as in same color) Mustang:



FWIW, the 1992 Mustang has a better resale value.

[snooper2]

141. the lines aren't "too" bad...

but the quality is about equal to an escort...

I'd rather have an early 90's MR2 or Supra turbo myself...run circles around a 5.0 since all that car can do is go in a straight line :P

[davepc]

2. That V6 makes as much HP as my 2003 V8 Mach 1

I'm curious to what the torque numbers are though. HP isn't the end all to be all.

[DrDan]

3. oops - meant to reply to previous post - please overlook incompetence

[librechik]

10. here's (somebody else's pic) my 260 hp V8-GT 04 Anniversary

Best car ever made, IMO--gets 24 Hwy. I could be convinced to get one of those 2011. Mustangs rule. Period. (except for jeep laredos-nother subject)


my sig car is my fave, tho--and REALLY good on gas!

[davepc]

12. They're great cars. I have yet to drive the newer redesigns, but i hear nothing but great things

[Mopar151]

11. Cool, Cool, Cool!

The new direct injection Ford engines look like real winners. Hot Rod magazine had a short article on this "34, commissioned by Ford to show off the new engine: http://www.hotrod.com/featuredvehicles/hrdp_1004_1934_ford_coupe/index.html
http://image.hotrod.com/f/featuredvehicles/hrdp_1004_1934_ford_coupe/26896916+w400+st0/hrdp_1004_01+1934_ford_coupe+front_view.jpg

This rod looks like a totally traditional, '50s-flavored '34 three-window, doesn't it? But hold on: First looks, as they say, can be deceiving. Under the period detailing, this is all 21st century hardware. The coupe belongs to Kurt Kurtenbach of Experi-metal Inc. (EMI) in Sterling Heights, Michigan. A specialist in prototyping and short-run stampings for the Detroit OEs, EMI is also the manufacturing force behind a number of the all-new, all-steel bodies exploding across the hot rod aftermarket, the newest being the '34 coupe shell marketed by Steve's Auto Restorations in Portland, Oregon. Grabbing one of the first bodies off the line, Kurt combined the shiny, new '34 sheetmetal with the latest in engine technology from Ford Motor Co., the EcoBoost V-6. This rod is the result.

The 3.5L EcoBoost is one of the most advanced engines currently offered by an American automaker. The trick piece features all-aluminum construction, dual overhead cams, four valves per cylinder, variable cam timing, direct fuel injection, and twin, intercooled Honeywell turbochargers. For 2010, the EcoBoost is offered in the Taurus SHO, where it is rated at 365 hp, and also in the Lincoln MKS and Ford Flex. In Ford's future, the company foresees the EcoBoost V-6 used in many of the applications that once called for a small to midsize V-8.
http://image.hotrod.com/f/26896985+w750+st0/hrdp_1004_05+1934_ford_coupe+EcoBoost_engine.jpg

http://image.hotrod.com/f/28151554+w750+st0/hrdp_1004_09+1934_ford_coupe+suspension.jpg

Ford is trying, I beleive, to market this new engine package as a "crate engine", for traditional hot rods like this blue beauty, as well as repowers for classic Fords.

[CountAllVotes]

45. aren't Ford engines built in China these days?`

Last I heard they were? Is this the case with this new 2011 Mustang?

:kick:

[Mopar151]

68. First I've heard of it. Have a source? n/t

[Romulox]

94. Um no. nt

:hi:

[CRF450]

113. Who told you that? No ford engine is built China.

The only domestic branded Chinese made engine I know of is a low end 3.4 v6 available in the Chevy Equonox.

[Kalyke]

138. Nope - built in Flatrock, Michigan.

However, I will concede that some parts are assembled elsewhere, but find me an affordable, high-production car that isn't made in several countries.

(The Tesla doesn't count. It's neither affordable nor produced en masse.)

[Romulox]

13. Ford is impressing me more and more each day. Kudos, Mr. Mullaley! nt

[Jokerman]

14. We own a 2005 Mustang V-6

I caught endless shit from friends and relatives who couldn't believe that I picked a V-6 over the V-8 GT model but ours looks just as good and gets much better mileage.

[madokie]

104. and still goes like a scalded cat

Not that I've ever seen a scalded cat run mind you.

son had an '01 v6 4 speed that would hump up and get it, nice car.

[Kalyke]

139. Mine does 0 to 60 in about 6 to 8 seconds.

Not as quick as the 4 to 5 the GT does it in, but I have no complaints.

:hi:

(I also have a 2005 V-6. I love that car. :loveya: )

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

15. Who needs 305 HP?

Can't they make it 200 HP, or 150 HP, and increase the mileage?

[davepc]

16. They could, but then nobody would buy them.

[MercutioATC]

19. Not me. I need 360 HP.

After driving my Audi, I don't think I'd be satisfied with less (at least not in a 4-door sedan).

[Mopar151]

26. The Taurus version comes in at 350HP

And I'm bettin' the Taurus SHO is lighter than that fat-ass Audi.

[MercutioATC]

33. Actually, the Taurus is about 400 pounds heavier.

2001 Audi S8 - roughly 4000 pounds.

2010 Ford Taurus SHO - roughly 4400 pounds.

[Socal31]

20. 150? You fossil-fuel burning monster!

Anything more than 75 is sooooo bourgeois.

[slackmaster]

21. Someone who plans to tow something might very well need that much HP

Are you against choice?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

24. I'm against the choice of towing things with sports cars, yes.

[slackmaster]

34. Why?

There are trailer hitches specifically made for Mustangs.

The capacity of a Mustang is only about a half ton, but why on Earth would you deny someone the choice of towing a small trailer with the proper equipment?

With a Mustang you could easily tow a small flat-bed or box trailer with a motorcycle, or a cubic yard of soil, or a small boat, or whatever as long as it doesn't exceed 1,000 pounds.

:crazy:

[davepc]

37. My Mustang is for fun, the pickup is for towing!

[madokie]

105. Let me see,

a cubic yard of limestone rock is close to two tons so a cubic yard of dirt would be considerably more than a 1000 lbs. I like what you're saying though. 20 years ago I would have bought one of these eco-boost mustangs in a heartbeat. If'n that would have been I'd still be driving it today, the quality of a ford is that good. Ford Rules and thats that.

[backwoodsbob]

109. something like a small trailer for my 4 wheeler

would work fine for that

[liberation]

39. Towing all that with a Mustang?

In any case, anyone who needs to tow something needs to be aware of the concept of torque, more than raw horsepower.


I never cared much for American sports cars, they handle like shit... and they still do. And don't get me started with their ergonomics. That being said, why doesn't Ford import the Cosworth engines they offer in Europe. They have been getting better mileage and almost double HP per liter of displacement for decades out of those things.

Anyhow, kudos to Ford. Them mustangs ain't my cup of tea, but for tastes there are colors. And if they can compete in both sales and environmental gains... and it creates domestic jobs... then awesome.

[slackmaster]

42. NOT AT TEH SAME TIME!!!

:crazy:

I can see someone using a Mustang to OCCASIONALLY tow something small.

I'm pro-choice on towing!!!

[Mopar151]

46. You're 30 years out of date on US cars n/t

[madokie]

106. yup, at least

[paulsby]

64. i think the corvettes handle quite well

as far as american sports cars. i test drove one.

i settled on a bmw, which i really like. it's not a sports can, but it's got plenty of torque

[Kalyke]

140. Is your Beemer in the shop every three months?

My hubby's 2001 lives in the shop more than it does at home.

Unfortunately, he's too upside down on the loan to get rid of it at this time, but, hopefully, by fall, he'll be getting a Ford Fusion or Taurus.

[kentauros]

54. Then rent what you need for your towing purposes.

Cars need only be for getting from point A to point B, with some level of comfort and greater efficiency. If you want to race, get a professional driver's license and take it to the track. I'm tired of dealing with unprofessional idiots on the same roads I use daily.

[slackmaster]

56. I'll keep driving my 4WD Nissan Pathfinder

It's fun to drive, is very sure-footed off-road, and is capable of towing more than a Mustang can.

[kentauros]

61. And I'll keep driving my Civic because I have no towing needs at all.

When I do, I'll rent a pickup for a day. Or I'll pay someone to take care of whatever I need hauled. Either way, saving me the insurance and upkeep costs of a larger vehicle built for that kind of purpose.

[madokie]

107. Yeah but its a fuck'n nissan

bought got my feet cut off in an early '70 datsun pickup. The front bumper of that old ford that hit us cut through that tin can like it was butter. Lucky for me I had the foresight to move my feet over to my friends, the driver, side of the pickup. You'll be amazed at how much time slows down when you're watching another vehicle coming right at you knowing that it is going to be a bad ending to an otherwise average day.

[Mopar151]

70. Are you the self-rhghteous Civic driver

Who nearly wrecked me while driving along reading a hard-cover book on the steering wheel?

[kentauros]

72. Only if you also live in Houston!

:P

(not likely, since I have a hard enough time trying to use my mp3 player and drive at the same time, which is why I set it once and try not to mess with it later ;))

I do like to take curves much faster than the posted speed limit, but it's only on rare occasions that I get that opportunity. Americans (in general) don't understand the thrill of a good curve at double the speed limit

[Mopar151]

79. I prefer 6X myself.

But not while merging with traffic on a public road. I had an hour commute for 3 winters - Escalade drivers will NOT put down their cell phone down for anything. Hypermiling Prius drivers are a hazard to navigation in bumper-to-bumper, as bad as a "shanty-shaker" (overwidth house trailer) or a truck crane that will only go 50.

[kentauros]

87. Well, my Civic rolls a little too much on the curves, unlike the VWs I've owned.

I have to agree about Escalade drivers. That must be either in the manual or a condition to buying one. I asked my brother about hypermiling when he got his Prius and he considers it as unsafe as you (and I.) Then again, his first car was a lime-green 1973 German-made Opel GT :D

[Mopar151]

92. Just a matter of changing springs, maybe alignment

I have several friends in racing who own, or have owned, cars that would get Prius-like mileage. If you can drive, you don't need 700 HP to keep up with traffic!

Check out this Opel GT drag car: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vj7sygsZiwQ

[kentauros]

96. While I'm unemployed, a little bit of roll in the curves is the least of my problems.

And I still have the "problem" of getting those opportunities at all. Too often, I'm stuck behind the "I don't have any papers to legally be in this country, much less operate a motor vehicle, so I'll just drive ten mph under the posted limit on the freeways to avoid getting pulled over and deported" drivers...

Oh, as for the drag-racing stuff, well, I think they ruined a perfectly good Opel :P
Besides, I prefer the electric racers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Cf89tawZX8&feature=related :D

[Mopar151]

100. In the northeast, they drive like that 'cuz they're drunk

Or blasted on NyQuil...
And there is no such thing as a perfectly good Opel! A friend of mine (Tom Drake) has one of the fastest SCCA Opel GT's in the country, and there's damm little Opel left!
Frank Mazi's BB/A car is one of the most beautifully turned out drag cars you'll ever see - I'd hardly call it "ruined".

[kentauros]

101. Since I'm not really into drag cars at all,

I call it "ruined" as it's no longer a normal street-legal car. I liked my brother's Opel when he had it. Perfectly good little car. Fun to drive. Durable. German made. Easy to work on. What more can you ask for? :)

I only watch the electrics on YouTube because they're blowing the doors off of ICE cars with little more than a pair of electric forklift motors :D (and not having to radically modify the original looks of the car, like for bigger wheels, bigger engine, and so on, while keeping it perfectly street-legal.)

[Mopar151]

129. Too bad.

Too bad you did'nt read the rest of my post, too bad you're not noting speeds/ET's on the YouTube electrics.

[kentauros]

130. I read it, but as I don't know what all those abbreviations meant,

I assumed you were still talking about drag racing. As for the electrics, I am noticing the speeds/times, and they're still doing pretty damn good. But I also don't go to such places, though wouldn't mind having the expertise to build an electric vehicle at least as well-designed as White Zombie, if only for street use.

I have no interest, really, in the rest. If that's your thing, fine. Don't be so disappointed that I'm just not into it like some. I would hope that you are a proponent of keeping the racing types off the regular streets and encourage them to take it to the track instead. We really don't need that kind of mentality mixed with the rest of the drivers that only think they can drive as well as a professional, and the mindless ones that don't think at all while driving...

[Mopar151]

143. We have a basic disagreement

You would like to beleive, and I'm more into facts. The trouble is, moral superority does not solve some very real problems of pure electrics. First, the energy density of batteries per pound vs. liquid fuels - it's why the Apollo & Gemeni capsules used fuel cells instead of batteries. So far, the best electric cars have energy storage roughly equal to a gallon of gas. Second, if electric drag cars had the power of Frank Mazi's Opel, they would need the huge tires, wheelie bars, and the like. If it's on a race car, and costs a dime or weighs an ounce, there's a reason for it. Third, electrics have an issue that is rarely raised - FIRE!
We treat battery cables and battery terminals in race cars with the respect accorded poisinous snakes - for good reason. High amperage electrical arcs will burn anything - and I mean anything! You can aim a fire extuinguisher directly at the arc and it just don't matter - It'll fuse the extuinguisher powder. Now multiply that by 20-30 X (typical EV battery pack) and the results can be spectacular - especially if the fire gets into the insulating material of the battery pack itself.

As far as "such places", you won't find those duck n'weave idiots there either - they aren't "racing types" at all. Most of them are so fearful of being embarrased by anyone with real skill and good equipment that they want to "race" average citizens instead, or someone with even less on the ball then they have. And then you have the self-important jerks who depend on the mercy of strangers 20X a day, as they intimidate the little people out of their way. And there really aren't many professional racing drivers - there are quite a few professional drivers in racing, but most of them drive trucks or heavy equipment. You want to see joyous abandon, take a guy out of a cement mixer and put him in a Honda CRX!

[kentauros]

144. We have more than just a "basic" disagreement.

Sure, you know your stuff on cars, but as I recall from reading about the owner/operator of the White Zombie, after a fire with lead-acid batteries, they switched to the lithium-ion and have had no such problems since. Yes, I understand it's all about cables (or preferably, solid copper bus pathways) but if you know your stuff, then that's also not as much of an issue as you're making it. If it was so bad, there wouldn't be much in the way of electrically-powered heavy machinery out there.

Of course, if I really did get to have my way with all of this, you would see gearheads like yourself marching on Washington to stop me. Because, I'd implement the steps needed to automate transportation and take the human operator out of the equation. Only human-powered vehicles would be human-controlled. The technology exists now, but the car makers have nixed any intent to implement it at every turn, because they "don't want to take the fun out of driving", like in stop-n-go traffic, rush hour, precipitation-slick roadways and all those other hazards we all put up with day to day. No! It's too much "fun" driving in everyday traffic :eyes:

[ieoeja]

91. Proud owner of a Mustang with a trailer hitch.

1997 Mustang V8 GT with a 3'6" x 4' trailer for years. Trailer fell apart on me last year, so I upgraded to a 4x8.

People do look oddly at me at times when I am hauling something. But dollar-for-value that little trailer had to be the best purchase I ever made.

[Mopar151]

23. Won't increase the mileage proportionately

There is a measurement of efficency called BRAKE SPECIFIC FUEL CONSUMPTION. It's usually expressed in pounds of fuel per horsepower hour. Traditionally, gasoline engines are best near their peak torque, at full throttle. Diesel, and these new direct injection gasoline engines, are much more efficent at lower power settings.
But take heart! Now, more than ever, increased mileage will come from lower aerodynamic drag and rolling friction, and lighter weight (lower mass). There is probably a Focus at the Ford dealer, with your name on it! (if not now, soon.)

[NoGOPZone]

62. BSFC maps are great references when you can find one

and if you can find one with HP curves overlaid, even better. I have to disagree on one point, most of the ones of seen for gasoline engines peak at slightly less than full throttle, around 80%-90%. What's also interesting is that the horsepower hour unit comes because one divides the rate of fuel consumption, that is mass per time, by the power produced, resulting in the time unit, in this case hours, becoming part of the denominator.

[naaman fletcher]

28. Someone who enjoys that kind of driving

[Romulox]

40. My first car developed 83 hp. You sir, are a glutton.

:hi:

[safeinOhio]

47. The FireBall Eight in my

1950 Buick must weigh 600 pounds and is huge. Gets a whooping 15 mpg at 50 mph and develops about 130 horse power. I'll bet I get more attention than a new Mustang. Not that I wouldn't want the new one, just, I'd have to sell the old car and the house.

[Mopar151]

71. I'd look at swapping in a Cummins 6-cyl diesel

and overdrive automatic from a late-model Dodge pickup.

[madokie]

108. and so are you :-)

my first car was a '40 chevy coupe that made every bit of 75 hp, when It ran that is.

[CRF450]

111. Unless they put a 4cyl in it, a lower HP v6 wont equal better MPG.

Under slow and moderate acceleration it will still take the same amount of hp to move the car. That said, I wonder what the real world fuel mileage will be. A lot of people with the 2010 Camaro with its 304hp v6 have gotten as high as 32mpg, and average in the low to mid 20's. Some get less than 20mpg average because of a heavy foot.

[Gen. Jack D. Ripper]

22. Pretty similar to the Camaro

2010 Camaro LS has a 3.6L V6 at 304 HP and 29 MPG highway. Maybe the new standard for the American muscle car, power and efficiency. They're both pretty affordable too. Cool stuff.


...I'm a Chevy guy so I'd rather have the Camaro. :p

[paulsby]

65. cue : Dead Milkmen singing "bitchen camaro"

Hey Jack, what's happenin'?
- I don't know.
- Well uh, rumour around town says you mighht be thinkin' 'bout goin' down to
the shore.
- Uh, yeah, I think I'm gonna go down to thhe shore.
- Whadda ya gonna do down there?
- Uh, I don't know, p-play some video gamess, buy some Def Leppard t-shirts.
- Don't forget your Motley Crue t-shirt; y''know all proceeds go to get their
lead singer out a' jail.
- Uh huh.
- Can't wait to go down. Hey uh, were ya goonna check out the sand bar while
you're down there?
- Uh, what's the Sand Bar?
- Ah, it's a place that lets sixteen year-oold kids drink.
- Ah, cool.
- Ya hey, guess who's gonna be there?
- Uh, who?
- My favourite cover band, Crystal Ship.
- Wow.
- Yeah, they do a Doors show, you'd be reallly impressed, in fact, it goes a
little like this:

Love me two times baby
Love me twice today
Love me two times girl
Cause I got AIDS
Love me two times baby,
once for tomorrow,
once cause I got AIDS

- Uh...
- Pretty good Jim Morrison impersonation thhere. I hope those guys have a
good sense a' humour and don't take us into court.
- Uh, what's the court?
- Never mind that, the important thing heree...
- You mean the People's Court.
- The... Now, that's another story. The impportant thing here is that we get
to the part where you ask me how I'm gonna get down to the shore.
- Oh, how you gettin' down to the shore?
- Funny you should ask, I've got a car now..
- Ah wow, how'd ya get a car?
- Oh, my folks drove it up here from the Baahamas.
- You're kidding!
- I must be, the Bahamas are islands. Okay,, the important thing here is
that, uh, you ask me what kinda car it is.
- Uh uh, what kinda car do ya' got?
- I've got a bitchin' Camaro...

(1.2.3.4)
Bitchin' Camaro, Bitchin' Camaro!
I ran over my neighbors
Bitchin' Camaro, Bitchin' Camaro!
Now I'm in all the papers

My folks bought me a bitchin' Camaro
With no insurance to match
So if I happen to run you down
Please don't leave a scratch

I ran over some old lady
One night at the county fair
And I didn't get arrested
Because my dad's the mayor

Bitchin' Camaro, Bitchin' Camaro!
Donuts on your lawn
Bitchin' Camaro, Bitchin' Camaro!
Tony Orlando and Dawn

When I drive past the kids
They all spit and cuss
Cause I've got a bitchin' Camaro
And they have to ride the bus

So you'd better get out of my way
When I come through your yard
Cause I've got a bitchin' Camaro
And an Exxon credit card

Bitchin' Camaro, Bitchin' Camaro!
Hey man where ya headed?
Bitchin' Camaro, Bitchin' Camaro!
I'm drunk on unleaded!

[mahatmakanejeeves]

77. I haven't heard that in years.

Twenty or so. Thanks.

[slackmaster]

83. I love that song!

Thanks for the memories.

[madrchsod]

25. i`ll take a black on black awd taurus sho....

[Mopar151]

36. I expect a 4 cyl Focus AWD soon

A worthy successor to the Escort World Rally car

Formerly owned by Jeremy Clarkson - I've met him, it's been well tested.....
Might look like this (2010 Focus RS):http://image.motortrend.com/f/roadtests/hatchbacks/17027713+pheader/112_0902_01hl2+2010_ford_focus_rs+promo.jpg

Already in Europe:
http://jalopnik.com/397970/2009-ford-focus-rs-details-officially-official-green-machine-lives

Almost as ugly/beautiful as a Saab 96:hi:

[madrchsod]

59. close....the focus looks nice!

[OmahaGTP]

27. Not bad, but you still have to reconcile

that you're driving a Mustang.

<3's his G8 GT 6.0 360 HP(380 HP with a tuner)

Of course, the new 5.0 Mustang's will be putting out 420ish. But again, you still have to tell family and friends that you drive a Mustang.

/kidding
//... maybe

[Mopar151]

31. If that's a problem, this should work

Factory Five's new GTM kit car.

[slackmaster]

35. They aren't claiming that the car can put out 305 HP and get over 30 MPG at the same time

;-)

[sasquatch]

29. Make it a manual transmission and I might even consider getting one

[apnu]

32. They do, in the article, mention the manual version of the car gets 30 hwy/ 19 city (nt)

[OhioChick]

41. Mustangs rock

:headbang:

[Baclava]

43. ...and if you want more ponies, you can get the Shelby Cobra version of the new Mustang

540 hp

[davepc]

52. I own a '03 Mustang, love the car, have some diecasts in my office etc

but I don't understand why anybody would buy one of them over a Corvette.

[Baclava]

78. The old Chevy vs. Ford squabble? They are bout the same price as the Vette

Shelby Cobra, Supercharged V-8, 540hp, 0-60, 4.3sec

http://www.auto-broker-magic.com/2010-f ... gt500.html

Shelby GT500 Coupe: listed retail price: $46,325
Shelby GT500 Convertible: listed retail price: $51,325

[DesertFlower]

48. my first car was a 66 candy apple red mustang.

cost $2618 out the door.

don't know how many mpgs it got. gas was about 25 cents a gallon.

[slackmaster]

57. My aunt and her husband have a '65 Mustang with the original Seafoam Green paint

They enter it into shows. It wins ribbons!

[DesertFlower]

58. they were great cars.

i had the 66, 70 and 76.

[Glenda]

49. Mustang :drool:

:loveya:

[kurtzapril4]

51. My first car

Was a 1969 Toyota Corona. An excellent car, easy to work on.

My 2nd car was a 1973 Grand Prix SJ. 400 engine, 4 bbl. carb. Fast sucker, and easy to work on.

Had a bunch of non-descript cars..one of them a 1985 Ford Escort that I bought new. What a piece of crap that was. Went through a camshaft and 3 sets of lifters before the dealer figured out the oil pump was bad. Thank jah it was under warranty. Trans re-build @ 90K miles, and had to have a new timing belt and water pump every 70K miles.

The car I'm driving now is a '99 Ford Taurus SHO. It has a Yamaha 3.4 litre engine. Love it. I can't work on it, though. It's fast-ish, and I'm working on making it more fast-ish. It gets around 24 mpg highway, which is not bad for an 8 cylinder engine. When I put on the new exhaust system, I'll probably get less mpg. If I had 50K to throw around...I'd definitely get the 2010 SHO. The really fast one.

I have loved fast cars since I was a toddler, and will always love them.

[flvegan]

53. I love it!

[Canuckistanian]

63. Enjoy it while you can

Cars like this are the ultimate in unsustainable transport.

[Mopar151]

69. Not even close

Some fool is fetching a 6-pack with something like this......

[Canuckistanian]

98. Cool!

Er (ahem), I meant shameful. Really shameful.

[depakid]

74. Soon enough, they'll be looking North for fuel...

Hell, they already are.

Hope you have enough...

[CRF450]

114. self delete

wrong post.

[Pavulon]

117. I should miracle myself to work in a city with no public transport?

Drive a "smart" car which is neither cheap or safe? This car is no different then the E350 or company trucks I drive. Actually much better gas milage.

[dipsydoodle]

73. There will always be magic in that name

Go Steve : http://video.voila.fr/video/iLyROoaftcJ5.html

[POAS]

75. 19 city and 31 highway???

I'd like to see the specs on that 6th gear ratio!

[AlphaCentauri]

80. I've been waiting for the 3 cylinder inline engines, 100 mpg n/t

[Lance_Boyle]

81. Porsche's new hybrid (!) supercar beats that paltry 305hp AND that paltry 31mpg

n/t

[flvegan]

84. What the 918?

First, the 918 is a prototype/concept that only has a fair chance at making production. Secondly, that's going beyond apples to oranges. That's like comparing apples to grain alcohol, considering that Porsche will cost somewhere in the area of $150k...at least.

[Lance_Boyle]

88. Yeah - the mustang guys can keep their apples. I want the grain alcohol. n/t

[Blue_Tires]

82. a great advancement...

now about that rear suspension :hide: :crazy:

[flvegan]

85. 2014

3 more years until the Mustang exits the rear suspension stone age.

[Blue_Tires]

86. yeah, i saw that

They *really* want this longtime GM fan to cross over, don't they? (especially since no one will let me test drive a Camaro SS)

[Xenotime]

89. They should have made it a hybrid

[Mopar151]

93. Why?

[bullwinkle428]

95. It would seem the technology is there to produce 45 highway mpg

from a 150-160 hp car, if we can get over 30 mpg from a 300+ hp car, but for some reason, we're not getting it! Hell, I'll be satisfied with 40!

[Mopar151]

102. Go buy yourself a TDI Golf EPA hwy 42 mpg

The technology is here - been here a while. 140 HP!
Jetta SportWagen deition - same EPA mileage

[CRF450]

146. Corvettes can get 30+mpg HWY, thats with a 436hp 6.2 v8.

Of course the EPA estimates wont say that, but several owners I speak to can attest to it. Fact is, that car weighs much less than most cars on the road, its extremely aerodynamic and has a very tall 6th gear. Same deal for my 01 Trans Am, I can cruise along in 6th at 70mph and the engine is only turning about 1400rpm. Did an interstate trip to Georgia without stopping a couple years ago, and it got 31mpg.

[nightrain]

110. Americans (partic males) have such a fascination with vehicles/power,

so I wonder if they actualy feel powerless and use vehicles/HP/speed as a way to compensate?

Why not go for the real thing rather than through machines?

[Mopar151]

118. The human body has very finite limits

And machines allow us to leave earthly bounds behind. I would hardly describe my fellow hillclimbers as "powerless'. But most of us own multiple vehicles, so's to have the right tool for the challenge at hand. Not a lot of SUV's in our crew.. But severral biodiesel commuters, New & classic Mini's, subaru's and VW's.
In the race cars, we are unabashed power hogs - but those cars are driven 300-1000 mi./yr!

[nightrain]

123. Mopar, I'm speaking of having "personal" power in one's life rather

than attempting to experience it through a machine.

[Mopar151]

128. I don't claim (or want ) to speak for Escalade drivers

Or Linclon Navigator pilots.

[boppers]

112. A fast car, with 30+mpg.... 10+ years after others did it.

Way to go.

Think they could, ya know, try to catch up a little bit more?

I can theoretically do 146 mph in my 2000 Saab 93 Turbo (never took it over 132 mph, though), which gets 30 mpg highway. It came with heated leather seats, power windows, power mirrors, power sunroof, power antenna, headlamp wipers, night panel, onboard trip computer (etc. etc. etc... it's a gadget car) and cost me $7,500 used.

[CRF450]

115. I'm a bigger fan of the new Camaro, but I'll admit...

They're gonna get outrun by the 2011 Mustangs! The Mustang is much lighter by up to 400lbs, and the solid live axle will put down more power at the wheels than the Camaro's independent rear suspension setup. Can't believe I'm saying this but I'm really liking the 2011 Mustang. After all, Ford has to stay competitive since the 2010 Camaro has been outselling the Mustang for nearly a year now.

[Pavulon]

116. They really are both great cars.

They both look great and have some personality. I love riving and have to many cars as is but am considering one too. Can't decide which one...

[zonkers]

120. Why do we need a mass produced car that goes 300 mph? A waste of time.

[sylveste]

126. it's not 300 mph

300 horsepower not 300 mph.

[zonkers]

142. Nevermind.

[alarimer]

122. Fucking American pig consumers

The world is NOT yours to destroy.

Americans suck if they buy this disgusting piece of planned obsolescence.

What a bunch of entitled fucking PIGS we are.

Every car and truck should have to get at least 40 mpgs. Nothing should be allowed to have 300 HP.

[Throd]

124. One of my cars has around 500hp

I use it strictly for fun.

[CRF450]

125. You can buy a prius if you want, its called choice.

"Americans suck if they buy this disgusting piece of planned obsolescence."

Right... you can say the same for pretty much all non-econo cars on the road which get no better fuel mileage.

[sylveste]

127. uh huh

yes and all ice cream should be vanilla, screw those consumer pigs who want chocolate or strawberry.

[Orsino]

131. Sadly true.

The Church of Horsepower's days are numbered, but the true believers will not let it die quickly.

[Mopar151]

145. You think they run on gasoline

Wait til' you see our toys go on biomass ethanol!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sgYlM_Abek Corn farmer Mark Thomas - not only fueled with ethanol, but lubricated with vegetable based oil.

[Psephos]

132. Fi Fy No Fun, I smell the blood of an Authori-Tari-Un. n/t

[Name removed]

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[Kalyke]

135. I figured it was an automatic.

My V-6, 240 hp, manual already gets about 30 interstate, despite what the specs say.

I think the fact that it is a manual transmission and the way in which I drive the vehicle ups the actually mpg I get out of it.


But, in any case. YAY FOR FORD!!!! :D :thumbsup: