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cory777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 02:58 AM
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Shooting suspect may have had 9/11 conspiracy
Source: AP

By MATT APUZZO and EILEEN SULLIVAN, Associated Press Writers Matt Apuzzo And Eileen Sullivan, Associated Press Writers – 1 hr 31 mins ago

WASHINGTON – There are emerging signs that the suspect in a Pentagon subway station shooting may have harbored resentment for the military and had doubts about the facts behind the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.

The suspect, John Patrick Bedell, died after exchanging gunfire with two police officers.

In an Internet posting, a user named JPatrickBedell wrote he was determined to see justice for the 1991 death of a Marine in California. The death was ruled a suicide but has long been the source of coverup theories. The writer said the case would be a step toward revealing the truth behind 9/11.

The user also railed against enforcement of marijuana laws.

The screen name can be linked to the suspect in Thursday's attack through documents about a marijuana arrest that were posted on the site, which match the date of birth of the shooter and official court records available online.

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100305/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_pentagon_metro_shooting_internet
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 03:26 AM
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PreacherCasey Donating Member (717 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 10:14 AM
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34. Yes! The families of the victims of 9/11 demanding a new investigation are TERRORISTS!
Edited on Fri Mar-05-10 10:21 AM by PreacherCasey
Boy, that Pied Piper does have such an alluring tune...



Edited to add: I would encourage all who believe the official story to turn off the television and think for yourself. What do YOU think happened on 9/11? Did you come to your own conclusions based on information from ALL available sources, or are you merely parroting what the TV folks told you.
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Abq_Sarah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 03:38 AM
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2. I was googling
His internet nick: JPatrickBedell and ran across all sorts of goofy fringe stuff. Major conspiracy theorist. I'd say he was nominally a libertarian but he also had a wide anarchist streak.
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comtec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 05:14 AM
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3. I admit to being a little annoyed at the "truther" label... I don't believe 5 words about 9/11
but i'm not a wack job!
There's obviously been manipulation of the facts by the government after the fact.
I don't know how much of it was simply LIHOP or what but the "9/11 commission" felt like the warren commission... just a cover.
and honestly that scares the crap outta me.

am I a truther for not believing the official story?

Just because it's a conspiracy theory, doesn't mean it's not possible.
Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean the government isn't out to get you...
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 05:26 AM
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vadawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 05:31 AM
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5. dude i got no issue with people questioning 911, but when you get the missile hitting the pentagon
thats where you lose me, there were so many people who saw the plane it beggars belief but some people still insist it was a missile..
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pjt7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 05:46 AM
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6. There are 10's of millions of Americans
Edited on Fri Mar-05-10 05:48 AM by pjt7
that know 9.11 was the opposite of what we are told. (i agree with you about the eyewitness with a plane hitting the pentagon, but hani hanjour DID NOT fly that plane.. no skills as a pilot)



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vadawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 05:52 AM
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7. no idea who flew the plane as i didnt work the case, now if i had worked it
and i said it was him then i would believe it... :)
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comtec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 08:07 AM
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14. I said nothing about the pentagon
but it is strange to me that they haven't released any film of that one.
I'm not saying it wasn't a plane... but it strikes me as odd that one of the most important military (if not THE most important on the planet) base had only one crappy security camera what caught this event.

the entire thing stinks, and it didn't need to.
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 01:46 PM
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41. I was talking to a fellow here in Houston.
"Fellow" as in "a doctor getting additional training in practice and research." He's the significant other of one of my wife's colleagues.

Anyway, after having talked to him at social events for a few years a foreign faculty member brought up 9/11. It turns out this guy was doing his residency in a hospital in NYC in the fall 2001. He said it was creepy: on 9/11 they were ordered on duty and told to prepare for massive numbers of casualties. They got some minor stuff early, and then pretty much nothing. All those seriously injured were trapped or routed to the nearest facility (his was something like #2 or #3 for distance).

However, his father worked at the Pentagon and was outside when the plane hit there. He told his son that he watched it come in. I got it third hand, you get it fourth hand--but you apparently need video because people aren't trustworthy (as though video would be, since lots of people have access to it and could alter it. esp. the crappy quality video we get on the Net). However, it's enough for me: Most father's don't lie to their sons, and this guy had no reason to lie since a bunch of linguists is hardly opinion leaders. Moreover, we'd known about his father's status in the DOD for a while but we didn't know where his office was.
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bikebloke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 12:58 PM
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39. Plus aircraft debris
The local papers the next day had photos of the aircraft wreckage scattered around the crash site. And I doubt they trucked it in during the middle of rush hour.
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 08:19 AM
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16. It has always seemed obvious to me that we do not have the full story
on 9/11, or anything close to it. I guess that means I'm a Truther. I don't believe a word that the bush administration says or said about this or anything else. Like all conservatives these days, they are and always have been a pack of vile, foul liars.

LIHOP lives!
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 08:35 AM
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19. Don't worry..
.. only people with the IQ of slugs believe 911 happened as presented.
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subsuelo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 09:50 AM
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31. interesting how only in America are un-official theories marginalized
Everywhere else in the world it's an open topic for discussion
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PreacherCasey Donating Member (717 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 10:30 AM
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35. The corporate consumer culture propaganda machine has been working on us since birth in the country
It ties everything to our ego, to our individual sense of self (from lifestyle and clothing preferences right down to our political beliefs).

Question the presented reality? No way. That would mean we would have to question ourselves.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 11:10 AM
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36. you are not alone, believe me...
Edited on Fri Mar-05-10 11:11 AM by fascisthunter
Almost everyone I have spoke to who were willing to talk about 9-11 do not believe the official conspiracy theory. This is also true when speaking to folks in Europe. I would bet my life's savings that the majority of people in the WOrld think our own government had a hand in it.

And this scares the shit out of some people...
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Politicalboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 06:55 AM
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8. A "DEFENSE" building
That doesn't "DEFEND" even though they had 35 minutes to act. Yup, makes sense to me.
Second tower hit at 9:03
Pentagon hit 9:38

Wouldn't the DC area be a no fly zone. If so, any plane entering that zone should have been blown out of the sky. Isn't that why we spend billions on defense? But yet they get a pass. No one's to blame. Can't we all just get along. In 35 minutes they didn't even bother to close the highways near the Pentagon or DC. The military should have been EVERYWHERE by 9:38 am
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 01:31 PM
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40. You really need education as to how a no-fly zone works.
An aircraft going into restricted airspace does not instantly translate to "blowing it out of the sky." We would be accidentally killing thousands of people a year if that were the case. And no, 35 minutes after the first impact isn't time to close everything and have troops on the streets when you consider the human element of time needed to realize that it wasn't an accident, time to mentally work through the consequences of that, time to talk to the right people, issue orders, get roadblocks set up, fuel aircraft, get them launched and oriented...

Don't operate under the belief that the military is some hair-trigger just waiting to be pulled and seconds later paratroopers are falling out of the sky.
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 06:59 AM
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9. The "truthers" are the "birthers" of the left. Just as wacky. nt
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 08:24 AM
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17. Nope, nothing is that SIMPLE. The ability to tolerate complexity is what makes
people objective and emotionally sound. Instead of the labels, we need an honest INVESTIGATION. Not a white wash that we are forced to accept.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 07:04 AM
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10. "9/11? Truth? Bwaa ha ha ha ha. Smirk." - xCommander AWOL (R)
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 07:10 AM
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11. Hmm...this guy, the guy who crashed into the IRS building in TX
both with more left-leaning political ideologies.

Interesting how this type of behavior from that type is coming out *now* and didn't during the Bush years.


:tinfoilhat:

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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 09:21 AM
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22. The right wingers were claiming the suicide pilot, I believe.
But yes, you have a point in that this may be a pattern.
A pattern which could cause a government "reaction".
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-10 08:17 AM
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43. They were both simply nuts, IMO, but most Libertarians lean right, not left.
Edited on Sat Mar-06-10 08:24 AM by No Elephants
Bill Maher is a notable exception.

I have not heard of a leftie yet who would fly a private plane into a building in the U.S. (a) at all; or (b) over the IRS.

But, most of all, I think it's a mistake to believe either of these guys was sane enough to judge whether his ideology was basically left or right.
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davidpdx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 07:32 AM
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12. Very sad that people died because of this nut
In the end, he got what he deserved.
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pimpbot Donating Member (770 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 07:51 AM
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13. Huh?
Hes the only one who died.
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davidpdx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 05:59 PM
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42. Well that's good
I must have heard an inaccurate account of what happened then.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 08:27 AM
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18. Nobody died. The security forces returned fire and were both treated and released
from the hospital.

The system worked.

IMO, only our Higher Power gets to JUDGE who deserves what treatment.

Gawd, no thank-you to the Police State Perspectives. :(
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pattmarty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 08:11 AM
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15. LOOK at what that "evil weed" Marijuana does!!! I fucking knew it..........
.........These people that use Marijuana are ALL terrorists!!!:sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:




Watch for a "story" on Fox linking Marijuana use to terrorism AND liberalism.
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activa8tr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 08:49 AM
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20. I'm sure you have put your finger on it....now and
all the folks at Fox News, and Michelle Malkin, Rush, Ann C, etc... they will be all over this soon.

Marijuana is the devil's weed, responsible for all the liberalism in America since the 60s's hippies!

Thanks! :fistbump:
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 08:52 AM
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21. Where did he get the guns? nt
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OneAngryDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 09:34 AM
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23. Pentagon Shooter Dead, Posted Anti-Government Rantings Before Attack
Source: ABC News

The gunman who charged into one of the Pentagon's main entrances and opened fire has died from gunshot wounds to the head and authorities are looking into his recent rants against the government as a potential motive.

John Patrick Bedell, 36, died at the hospital Thursday night after Pentagon police returned fire. Police told ABC News that the two police officers wounded in the shooting have been released from the hospital after suffering minor injuries. They are now on administrative leave pending the investigation of the incident, police said.

The attack seems to be another suicide mission aimed at the government. While police have said they are not certain of a motive, they are investigating Internet postings in which Bedell wrote and recorded audio expressing his anger towards the government.


Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/pentagon-shooter-dead-cops-hospital/story?id=10017089



Another right-wing assassin strikes again...
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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 09:34 AM
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24. Angry Lefties march, carry signs, sing songs. Angry Righties shoot people and blow up buildings.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 09:34 AM
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 09:57 AM
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33. Angry Righties don't campaign against marijuana laws
;-)
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Abq_Sarah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 11:31 AM
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37. I'm leaning towards
Anarcho-Capitalist.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 09:34 AM
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25. One less right wing terrorists
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 09:34 AM
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27. will there be another bunch of facebook tributes?
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boomerbust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 09:34 AM
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28. Been watching news all morning
crickets
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 09:34 AM
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29. Too bad you have to have Middle Eastern Bloodlines in order to be labeled "a terrorist."
:crazy:
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daggahead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 09:34 AM
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30. Two American terrorist attacks in 3 weeks ...
I doubt they will be the last.

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