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Akoto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 12:14 PM
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Obama's health care plan picks up support
Source: Associated Press

WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Barack Obama's much-challenged health care overhaul gained traction Wednesday as a liberal lawmaker became the first to switch his opposition and Catholic nuns declared their support in an unusual public break with the bishops.

Rep. Dennis Kucinich, D-Ohio, long a supporter of Medicare-for-all, voted against the House Democratic bill in November because it did not go far enough in creating a robust government-run plan to compete with private insurance. But Kucinich said Wednesday that the bill coming before the House represents the best chance to expand coverage to the uninsured, even if it does not include a public plan.

At a Capitol Hill news conference, Kucinich said his decision was a combination of pragmatism and concern about the impact that defeat of the health care bill would have on Obama's presidency.

"You do have to be very careful that the potential of President Obama's presidency not be destroyed by this debate," said Kucinich. "Even though I have many differences with him on policy, there's something much bigger at stake here for America."

Read more: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_HEALTH_CARE_OVERHAUL?SITE=TXMCA&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 12:17 PM
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1. Except Obama doesn't have a health care bill even he refers to it as insurance bill (nt)
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 12:26 PM
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2. You must be pretty exhausted by now.......
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 12:45 PM
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4. I imagine you are as well
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 01:42 PM
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8. I'm good. I don't carry that negativity around , so my load is not as heavy
as yours is...since your quest is to make the world perfect and nothing else will do,
while mine is simply that we experience progress in a positive direction, and thats what's
happening even if it ain't perfect like Sweden!
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TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 02:22 PM
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10. Of course you're great.
Edited on Wed Mar-17-10 02:23 PM by TheWatcher
The Cocoon of Denial and Indifference you live in keeps you safe, hopeful, and justified in your self-serving satisfaction.

The path of Least resistance, Posturing Political Victory, Falling In Line to the Party Line, "Go Along" ideology, and marching along to the beat of Corporatism dressed up as "Positive Progress" is pretty much a cakewalk compared to fighting for REAL reform and change.

You're such a visionary, worthy of all due respect that comes with such brave conviction.

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Iowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 02:43 PM
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12. +1...
Sometimes I think it would be a welcome relief to just give up and become an unquestioning follower. But then I realize that such thinking will ultimately lead to the loss of liberty and ultimately to slavery in one form or another. So I continue to resist the pull.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 03:10 PM
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18. It will lead to allowing the Democratic Party to take this nation yet further right
The right can't do that. Only the left can--by itself becoming the right.

And that has been the sad condition of things since formation of the DLC and the PNAC memo.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 02:31 PM
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11. I didn't expect a perfect bill
but I didn't expect to be sold to the insurance companies either.

It would have been nice to have gotten something that improved access to care rather than just digging the for profit middle men who control access in deeper. In the end Obama even decided there was no reason to do anything to "keep them honest" - which is probably more honest on his part. I never did understand why on the one hand he admitted they were crooked, but on the other he was hell bent to keep them in charge.



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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 03:12 PM
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19. And to make them even richer--and therefore more powerful.
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2Design Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 02:52 PM
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13. sounds negative to me - pretty condenscending to the other poster n/t
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 03:20 PM
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Why do you think it's okay to speak to anyone here like that?
Seriously, that's just rude.
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Change Happens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 01:07 PM
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7. lol.....+1!
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 12:50 PM
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5. They're going to have to break out their Insturction Manual so as to use the apt terminology.
Here ya go!

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 03:13 PM
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20. I call it the Insurance Industry Bailout of 2010 Bill. n/t
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 03:20 PM
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22. If you're going to bail out an industry, that industry should at least be bailout ready.
The five largest health insurers made profits of 12.2 billion dollars in 2009, an increase of 56% over the prior year--in the worst recession year since the Great Depression--and while millions of Americans LOST coverage.

Fewer customers, more profits and a bailout.

Happy days are indeed here again. For health insurers.
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SandWalker1984 Donating Member (533 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 12:36 PM
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3. The health care in the Senate bill is the health of insurance PROFITS
Michael Moore has a good editorial out today describing what's going on in Washington. Here's part of what Michael said:

And by now you've figured out that you don't really have any say in this, that what we call the "democratic process" is mostly a sham, pretty words that get repeated in the hopes we will all still fall for it. But the fix is in and we don't fall for it anymore. Admit it: Wall Street owns "our" Congress lock, stock and big barrel o' campaign cash. You want a say in this? Well, I don't see you on the Forbes 400, so shut the f@*& up and go fetch me another bottle of bubbly.

Within days, the House of Representatives will vote to pass the Senate health care "reform" bill. This bill is a joke. It has NOTHING to do with "health care reform." It has EVERYTHING to do with lining the pockets of the health insurance industry. It forces, by law, every American who isn't old or destitute to buy health insurance if their boss doesn't provide it. What company wouldn't love the government forcing the public to buy that company's product?! Imagine a bill that ordered every citizen to buy the extended warranty on all their appliances? Imagine a law that made it illegal not to own an iPhone? Or how 'bout I get a law passed that makes it compulsory for every American to go see my next movie? Woo-hoo! Who wouldn't love a sweet set-up like this windfall?

Well, the insurance companies -- get this -- don't like the Democrats' bill! That alone should be reason enough to vote for it.

Now, you would think these thieves would love this bill -- but they are actually fighting it. Why? Because it doesn't give them ONE HUNDRED PERCENT of the what they want. It only gives them... 90%! YOU SEE, pure greed demands all or nothing.

The insurance industry hates this bill because it puts a few minor restrictions on them. Six months after its passage they won't be able to deny children coverage if they have a pre-existing condition. How awful! Government interference! SOCIALISM!

But, hey, they'll still be able to deny these children's parents coverage until 2014! So if a parent gets sick and dies in the next four years, I'm sure someone will step in and raise these already-insured orphans.

And how big will the fines be if the insurance companies do deny someone coverage for having a pre-existing condition? Are you sitting down? A hundred dollars a day! That's it! So if you're the insurance company, and Judy is a customer of yours, and Judy needs an operation that will cost $100,000, what do you do? You take the fine! Let's say Judy lives another year after you've sentenced her to death, your $100-a-day fine will only cost you $36,500! That's a savings of $63,500! And trust me, my friends, that's EXACTLY what's going to happen.

There are some good things in this bill. Parents will be able to keep their children on their policy until the kids turn 26. A few things like that. So, yes, pass that.

But don't insult me and 300 million Americans by calling this "health care reform." At least you've stopped calling it "universal health care." We will not have universal health care or anything close to it. I wish the president and the Democratic leadership would just stand up and say, "We're sorry, America. We didn't get the job done you sent us here to do. We're weak and scared and unable to communicate the simplest of messages to the American people. Therefore, our bill will guarantee that 12 million of you will still have NO health insurance. And that's because we have decided to leave the greedy, private insurance industry in charge of our system. Forgive us for this and for continuing to allow profit to be the determining factor as to whether a patient gets the help she or he needs."


You can read the rest of the article at:

http://www.truthout.org/michael-moore-the-green-they-steal-the-greed-they-wear-a-st-patricks-day-lament57749



From what I have read of and about the Senate version of the HCR bill, there are so many loopholes and lack of regulation regarding a lot of what was covered in Moore's Sicko documentary that the bill will not "fix" or resolve the problems that lead to the call for health care reform. It merely adds more people to the insurance corporations rolls. They will still be able to rescind policies, they can still deny medical procedures, they can still INCREASE PREMIUMS - especially for those over 50 years of age or with pre-existing conditions (see Ensign Amendment), they can jack up deductibles until you cannot afford to use your health insurance policy, etc, etc.


For those reasons and more, this bill should be killed. The few "good things" in the bill could then be put into a much smaller bill and passed.


Mandating all Americans buy a faulty product from an industry that has a bad track record is the definition of insanity -- doing the same thing over again and expecting different results.
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Cirque du So-What Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 01:06 PM
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6. That must be why every single repuke is against the bill
Edited on Wed Mar-17-10 01:07 PM by Cirque du So-What
Lord knows they would hate to see the insurance companies profit from this legislation, being the anti-corporate party they are :eyes: :sarcasm: :crazy:
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SandWalker1984 Donating Member (533 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 02:04 PM
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9. Why Republicans sitting on the sidelines you ask?
Why would the Republicans be sitting on the sidelines even though this bill serves their corporate master's agenda?

Because the other wing of the same corporate bird, the Democrats, has been given the task this time around to pass the mandated insurance legislation. The Republicans are being allowed to sit on the sidelines so they can capitalize with public theater, ie the mainstream media, on the bad public opinion of the Democrats and probably take back control of Congress in November. Once Republicans are back in control, it's buffet time (again) for the corporations to continue the robbing of the middle class/working Americans in this country. Follow the money.


Lawmakers Reveal Health-Care Investments
Key Players Have Stakes in Industry


By Paul Kane
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, June 13, 2009

Almost 30 key lawmakers helping draft landmark health-care legislation have financial holdings in the industry, totaling nearly $11 million worth of personal investments in a sector that could be dramatically reshaped by this summer's debate.

The list of members who have personal investments in the corporations that will be affected by the legislation -- which President Obama has called this year's highest domestic priority -- includes Congress's most powerful leaders and a BIPARTISAN collection of lawmakers in key committee posts.
Their total health-care holdings could be worth $27 million, because congressional financial disclosure forms released yesterday require reporting of only broad ranges of holdings rather than precise values of assets.

The article goes on to name names. You can read it at:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/12/AR2009061204075.html

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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 03:44 PM
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23. They've decided to oppose everything Obama wants done. Their opposition says
nothing, one way or another, about the substance of a bill.

Insurance stocks, on the other hand, did go up quite a bit last year.

And, insurance companies got heavily involved in the Massachusetts race--one the side of Coakley--even though Scott Brown campaigned on being the 41st vote against this bill.

And then there was the drug lobbyist, Tauzin, who made a deal with the white house--(favorable treatment in the law in return for "political support") and got fired after Brown won.

Without the bill, they'd simply lose the Boomers to Medicare year after year. (They start turning 65 in 2011. Now the mandate on the healthy young uns will more than make up for that, along with the ability to charge those over 55 triple premiums.

Yep, in all, doesn't look as though health insurers or their stockholders are too unhappy with this bill at all.
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florida08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 03:05 PM
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14. We want medicare.com
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TomCADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 02:33 AM
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15. Health bill picking up key votes
Source: LA Times

Reporting from Washington, President Obama and Democratic leaders gathered momentum for their sweeping healthcare overhaul Wednesday, picking up support from Democratic factions where defections were most feared: liberals, abortion opponents and backbenchers.

Working into the night to put the finishing touches on the legislation, Democratic leaders said they continued to expect the balloting to be a cliffhanger.

But a cascade of developments buoyed supporters of the bill, which would cap Obama's drive for legislation to reduce the ranks of the uninsured, offer new protections for those who have medical coverage, and try to curb skyrocketing healthcare costs.

Lingering fear of defections from the Democratic left -- among those who believe the bill does not go far enough to expand access to healthcare -- was allayed Wednesday when Rep. Dennis J. Kucinich (D-Ohio) became the first liberal opponent of the House bill approved last year to announce that he would support the more restrictive Senate legislation.


Read more: http://www.latimes.com/features/health/la-na-healthcare18-2010mar18,0,7590833.story
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 02:33 AM
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16. They don't want to be on the wrong side of history...
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 02:33 AM
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17. good way to put it my dear CP
the thing is, I adore DK for fighting so hard for more. The facts are what they are, however, and the election is looming. There are a good amount of things that are going to stop when/if it passes, and you want to be part of that if you're a member of Congress. There will be credits for those who cannot afford the insurance costs, and that is great. I don't think it's a good bill, but it's an okay bill considering how danged stuck in the mud this country has been with patient rights and health care access.

Let's hope it's just the beginning of better things in time.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 03:19 PM
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21. DADT was history, too, in asking our service people to sacrifice their integrity for their country.
The Patriot Act was also historic as was invading the wrong country.

Calling something "historic" is not unambiguous as I'm sure you know, Peggy, given that you write poetry.

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