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Omaha Steve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 06:58 AM
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Toyota to hand off pension bill to U.S. ($131-million)
Edited on Thu Mar-18-10 06:59 AM by Omaha Steve
Source: Detroit Free Press

BY GREG GARDNER

Toyota is leaving a $131-million pension shortfall to the Pension Benefit Guaranty Corp. as it closes the New United Motor Manufacturing Inc. plant in Fremont, Calif., April 1, said Sergio Santos, president of UAW Local 2244.

But the PBGC, a federal corporation charged with protecting pension benefits of 44 million Americans, wants to discuss ways Toyota can reduce the gap.

The agency has taken legal action to gain control of the NUMMI pension plan. PBGC spokesman Gary Pastorius said the agency wants to talk to Toyota about alternatives to a takeover, "but it just hasn't happened yet. We still have questions."

NUMMI said it had met its obligations regarding the plan when the PBGC began court action, according to a memo issued by Tracy Wakefield, a human resources manager.

Read more: http://www.freep.com/article/20100318/BUSINESS01/3180456/1002/Business/Toyota-to-hand-off-pension-bill-to-U.S.



Why does a profit making company still in business get to do this????
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pattmarty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 07:22 AM
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1. Because (legally) they can. Labor in this country continues to............
............take it in the ass. You know there will be no passage of the EFCA too. Fucking Democrats USED to be the party of labor, no more.
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 07:46 AM
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2. This is the next bubble to burst
In 2011, the leading edge of the baby boom turns 65. Every year thereafter, until 2024, when the 1957 peak of that generation reaches 67 (the age it needs to be for full SS benefits), we will see wave after pounding wave fall upon the already strapped pension systems. The only problem is, there's nothing there in many of them, they live hand-to-mouth.

I routinely get beaten up on threads about Social Security for my gloomy views, but if it's happening with private pensions, what makes anyone think it's not happening with public ones?
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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 01:16 PM
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10. Well geegolly - If the USA adopts a decent health-care system and people live longer
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That might mess up the financiers . . .

ergo

die young

save the country some money

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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 07:55 AM
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3. We The Corporation paradigm, we gamble -- heads we win, tails taxpayers lose.
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 09:26 AM
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4. They're not fucking bankrupt!
How in the hell do they get away with this?!!!!?
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 10:36 AM
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5. Toyota should be required to continue paying the pension.
They are not out of business. Yet.
They are not bankrupt. Yet.
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 11:41 AM
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6. No more Toyotas for me, thats it.
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pipoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 07:14 AM
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18. I assume no more GMs for you either?
Or is this more, uh, racial than factual?
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 11:46 AM
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7. The Toyota defenders have been very quiet these days. nt
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 12:16 PM
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8. Could this be associated with GM's bankruptcy?
"Toyota operated NUMMI jointly with General Motors from 1983 until GM's withdrawal last summer."

http://www.freep.com/article/20100318/BUSINESS01/3180456/1002/Business/Toyota-to-hand-off-pension-bill-to-U.S

"June 1 (2009) - GM files for bankruptcy. The United States will
provide $30 billion of additional taxpayer funds to restructure
the company so it can better compete with lower-cost Asian
automakers."

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSLA64177720090710

Was Toyota left holding the bag when GM pulled out of NUMMI last summer? Was Toyota's erstwhile NUMMI partner's (GM) bankruptcy the legal justification for dumping the NUMMI pensions on the PBGC? Was Toyota's pension dump a big Fuck You to the US government for subsidizing GM at Toyota's (perceived) expense?

Inquiring minds .. etc.

:shrug:
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 09:08 PM
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14. Good points, GM owns some of this mess as well
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 01:08 PM
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9. Wall Street bonus contracts are "sacred"--pension obligations aren't?
:wtf:
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 01:40 PM
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12. Don't begrudge Wall Street!!
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 01:17 PM
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11. Bullshit!
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Grand Taurean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 05:18 PM
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13. The Toyota apologists have been quiet these days.
There is nothing great about Toyota. Seeing that they use slave labor in Japan to build their cars, I see no reason to support these pigs. I will keep on buying American made cars.
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grumpy in StL Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 10:56 PM
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15. Yeah I know....
I feel about those Japanese slaves who built my Tundra in Indy and the slaves who built my my wife's Accord in Marysville OH.
I am sure those slaves will appreciate being freed from their Nippon oppressors when they leave the US. Sheesh!
Other than a Tesla (with many foreign made components no doubt) I cannot think of a car that would be a candidate as an "American Car".
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Psephos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 11:22 PM
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16. Boo-hoo, look at the crocodile tears. The entire GM pension system was "handed off" to the US govt.
NUMMI is/was a joint venture - a separate, stand-alone company - between Toyota and GM. NUMMI is responsible for NUMMI's obligations. NUMMI's assets and capital are on the same balance sheet with their liabilities. Once NUMMI's assets are exhausted, further recourse comes only from "piercing the corporate veil" to reach back to the joint venture partners. The chance that the joint venture documents aren't legally competent or enforceable is approximately zero.

So, if I follow what passes for logic here, people are outraged that a joint venture that paid a factory-full of UAW workers to assemble cars for several decades, and pumped reliable wages and tax revenues through the California economy, is now going away because Government Motors pulled out...and that's Toyota's fault. Ohhh-kkkkaaaay.

GM went bankrupt. Kaput. All its shareholders were wiped out. All its bondholders took the gas-pipe. A new company with the same initials was created and capitalized with the old GM's useful assets, but not its loser assets. The US govt. handed GM $50 billion - yes, FIFTY BILLION - in cash "loans" and capitalization through equity. The US govt. has recently admitted that cash ain't never coming home.

In exchange for this munificence, the US govt. and the UAW took ownership of all the stock in the "new" GM. That stock is privately held (i.e., not for sale). So who is on the hook for all the $megabillions of the GM pensions?

Got a mirror handy?

Direct the outrage where it belongs, chumps.
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Omaha Steve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 07:25 AM
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19. UUUMMMM

Toyota isn't bankrupt. Why do they escape? Japan didn't allow US cars in THEIR clunker program btw. Toyota sold more under the US program than anybody else. (Wonder how many of those Toyota buyers want their clunkers back?) But here is something I got in an email not so far from your point of view:

Was The Bailout Of The Automotive Industry During The Financial Crisis Of 2008–2010 Effective? What Would Have Worked Better?


The object of the government’s bailout of the ailing U.S. automobile industry was to save jobs, keep the big three automakers profitable, and help them become more competitive, increasing sales volume, thus contributing to the increased consumption necessary for GDP growth and a healthy economy. As of early June 2009, the Bush and Obama administrations had invested $80.3 billion in direct bailout payments to GM and Chrysler with expectations of the final cost reaching $130 billion dollars. <1> The bailout was ineffective.

GM announced serious layoffs, reducing the number of autoworkers from 96,000 to 45,000 by 2012. General Motors and Chrysler both ended up filing for bankruptcy even after receiving billions in federal aid. General Motors emerged from bankruptcy having laid off 21,000 union workers and closed 12 factories and forty percent of their 6,000 dealerships.<2> Chrysler received a $ 5 billion dollar bailout and was taken over by Fiat.<3> Overall, 2009 had the lowest new car sales in 27 years, about 21% less than 2008. <4> Ford, which did relatively well, took no government bailout; GM and Chrysler took the bailouts, and had awful sales numbers. Prior to the bailouts, Ford was in a stronger financial position than GM and Chrysler, with the strongest product line of the three domestic auto companies, and has heavily invested in improving quality and reliability. <5>

The bailout did not stop layoffs or facility closings, did not increase sales volume, and Chrysler is now controlled by a foriegn corporation. A better use of our taxpayer dollars would have been to have the government use the bailout money to purchase lots of cars and trucks from the big three automakers now, and commit to the purchase of large numbers of the new, fuel efficient, totally American made, vehicles the Big three would agree to produce, along with subsities and tyins to trade agreements with overseas markets designed to increase export sales of American made vehicles. In addition, a direct grant of bailout cash would be used to create an endowment to help fund current and future pension and health insurance obligations for the American automakers’ employees. This would help close the highly publicised gap between U.S. and foreign car company labor costs. Tarifs on imported cars and higher taxes on foreign owned car companies in the U.S. based on wage rates as an incentive for foreign companies to raise wages and benefits to the same levels as those negotiated by the UAW would remove wages from competition, allowing automobile companies to compete based on quality and service. More of the bailout money could be used as incentives to invest in new, green, U.S. based factories and updated equipment in current U.S. facilities, with further cash incentives for innovative research and development aimed at creating new products and increasing quality, rather than for innovations designed to eliminate jobs.

The combination of increased government vehicle purchases; increased export sales; incentives for capital investment in current and new U.S. manufacturing facilites; subsidizing outlays for current and future pension and welfare contributions for retirees, without reducing benefits; use of taxes and tariffs to reduce labor cost differentials; and cash incentives for research and development that rewards companies for designing new products, increasing the quality of current products, while focusing on increasing employment opportunities would all contribute to increased consuption and the desired increase in GDP.

<1> CNN, February 18, 2009.

<2> Source: Bloomberg, “Chrysler Financial to Get $1.5 Billion to Aid Car Sales”, January 19, 2009

<3> The New York Times February 24, 2010

<4> http://www.carlustblog.com/2010/01/bailout-blues.html

<5> Ibid


Robert R. Daraio
Recording Secretary
New York Broadcast Trades Council

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pipoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 07:13 AM
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17. Lots o'GM apologists on this issue
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