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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 12:30 AM
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Russian exclave of Kaliningrad at forefront of a nationwide protest movement
Source: Washington Post

Russian exclave of Kaliningrad at forefront of a nationwide protest movement
By Philip P. Pan
Washington Post Foreign Service
Saturday, March 20, 2010

KALININGRAD, RUSSIA -- Almost every Friday for more than a year, a small band of dockworkers, sailors and other stubborn souls has gathered outside the governor's office in this Russian Baltic port to denounce hospital closings and other cuts in health services. Week after week, the governor ignored the protests, which seemed insignificant in the context of Prime Minister Vladimir Putin's top-down political system.

But he is not ignoring them anymore -- and neither is Putin.

In recent months, the protesters have joined thousands of others upset by the failing economy here in larger demonstrations against local authorities. In doing so, they have helped thrust Kaliningrad, Russia's westernmost city, to the forefront of a disjointed, nationwide protest movement that has rattled the Kremlin and sent its operatives scrambling to put out political fires across the country.

The protests have mostly been small and focused on regional issues. But because they have taken place in at least a dozen provinces and tapped into shared anger over Russia's worst recession in a decade, many observers are asking if the formula that has kept Putin in power so long -- steady economic growth and tightening political controls -- might be failing.



Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/19/AR2010031904767.html
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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 12:39 AM
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1. I think the Russkies should have taken Germany's offer
and sold that place back to them. We could have had Koenigsberg again! And the residents would be doing a lot better since the Baltic port could get a lot more business.
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nealmhughes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 01:32 AM
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2. Did Germany really try to buy it? I thought Polond had dibs.
My boy Manny Kant was from the dismal gray wet streets as someone once described the city, then I saw all the brick Gothic and warehouses and colors and it was as lovely as Riga or Tallinn or any other Hansa City in photos. So much for myth. I thought the Baltic was where the beaches were up there? A tad bit cheaper bus ride ride from Berlin or Petersburg than a flight to Bodrum or Sunny Beach, I'd wager.
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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 02:08 AM
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3. I read they had made an offer perhaps a decade ago.
The Germans can afford to rebuild it and should be given the opportunity to make it as picturesque as Gdansk (Danzig).
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nodehopper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 03:02 AM
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5. The Baltic is where the beaches are
Kaliningrad is not on the water exactly, and it is close to a harbor that was used primaraily commercially so you wouldn't go swimming there. Past the harbor there is the Baltic sea and all the nice beaches that were major destinations during the Soviet era are further up north, and now are parts of the Baltic states--Klaipeda, Jurmala, etc.
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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 04:16 AM
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7. Is Memel part of the Baltic states?
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nodehopper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 11:21 AM
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8. Memel is the former name for Klaipeda
Which is one of the aforementioned resorts (and one my family used to go to when I was wee); it is in Lithuania, so yes.
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 10:47 AM
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21. I visited there in the summer of '95.
It was a very nice beach town. I grew up on Lake Michigan beaches and I was impressed.

There were lots of Germans and Swedes, but your average Lithuanian couldn't get in. Our driver was able to spend the day there when he took us and picked us up. My friend and I felt badly that he couldn't just go when he wanted to.

The amber market was great. I'm a brown-eyed brunette and the amber jewelry really suited me.

I'd love to go back and see how the place has evolved. And get some more amber jewelry.
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nodehopper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 01:42 PM
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22. wow, it's strange to imagine it like that
Every summer that my family and I went there, it was still the Soviet republic of Lithuania...so no real foreign tourists, all the beaches open to everyone...no booming market in amber, but we used to look for it in the sand as kids, when we weren't busy picking and eating blueberries by the handful.
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 06:08 PM
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28. There were no blueberries!
I love blueberries!

I wonder what happened to them. I was there in mid-August and went to the open air food market. (I was looking for bottled water after my episode of Vautaitis (sp) revenge--similar to the Montezuma variety.)

I think that's blueberry season in many places, and you'd think that fresh blueberries would go well with the tourists. Swedes generally go nuts for any kind of berry. I'm part Swedish and I have visited Sweden, so I speak from experience.

You might want to go back and see what it's like. If you do, please post or pm me. I'd just love to hear how things are going there.
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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 03:54 PM
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25. Lots of amber jewelry in Berlin too and the young couple
selling some to my wife said it came from the vicinity of Koenigsberg in Preussen (I can speak German so I knew what he was talking about) so I guess the former terms for those places still remain!
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Yupster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 02:56 AM
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4. The Germans should at least get the right to return to their homes
I'm thinking Poland would then worry though as it took the southern half of East Prussia while Russia took the north.

The German civilians were all driven out by rape and terror in the middle of winter.

It's one of Hitler's many crimes that he wouldn't allow the cvilian population evacuated once the Red Army threatened to cut them off. He thought it would weaken the army's resolve to allow the civilians to evacuate.
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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 04:15 AM
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6. It was amazing that so many million did manage to get out
and to this day they still remember their old homelands. I could sense that as I watched various programs on Berlin television.
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Yupster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 02:23 PM
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11. One of my customers
was a young man in the German navy in 1945. He was on one of their largest cruisers when their base near Danzig was about to be overrun.

All of the families of the officers were put on a cruise ship and sailed to safety behind the German lines. The cruise ship was sunk by a Russian sub and everyone on the ship, thousands were killed. It is still one of the greatest losses of life at sea.

The cruiser then continued evacuating civilians off the beaches back to central Germany until it too was sunk by a Russian sub. It was in shallow water and just settled in the mud.

This now old man was a gunner and they stayed on the ship and fired off their ammo at passing Russian tanks for a few days and then followed the rest of the shipmates and rowed to safety.

Interestingly, this man, now in his 80's never votes though he's been a US citizen for over 40 years. When I asked him why he said, "Arrgh, it only encourages them."

You'd think growing up in Hitler's Germany you'd fight to vote every time.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 08:30 PM
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30. The Nazi propaganda apparatus was so effective
that my relatives didn't know that Germany was losing the war until they saw the people fleeing westward on foot. They hurriedly packed their suitcases, joined the line of refugees, and never saw their home again.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 12:20 PM
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9. I always thought it would make a nice city-state for the UN
that way they wouldn't have to worry about the host country (coughcough) blocking access to speakers like Yasser Arafat.
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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 04:45 PM
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13. I thought of that too. A rebuilt but neutral city. I'd live there.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 07:44 PM
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15. Yeah, instead it could demand speakers cross all bridges in the city
without crossing any one twice!
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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 01:34 AM
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18. I tried to figure that out one time but had drunk too many beers.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 12:38 PM
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10. It WAS an historically German area, home of Immanuel Kant.
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Yupster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 02:25 PM
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12. Yes there's no question that historically
Edited on Sat Mar-20-10 02:26 PM by Yupster
It's been a key part of Germany for a thousand years.

The Russian never claimed any right to it.

They just removed every German citizen and took it.

You hear so much talk about Palestinians wanting the right to return to their former homes, but the Germans of East Prussia are ignored regardless of how strong their claim is.
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Kurska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 11:33 PM
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16. They have no claim, they don't live there anymore Russians do.
It would be just as equally unfair to uprout the Russians as it was to kick the Germans out.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 04:10 PM
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26. No.
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Orrin_73 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 06:43 PM
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14. The original people of east prussia were baltic people
and not germanic. The baltic prussians were killed and assimilated by the invading germans (Teutonic Order).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Prussia



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Prussians
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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 01:33 AM
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17. Were they also called Sorbs?
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liberalpragmatist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 01:57 AM
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19. Sorbs were and are a different group
nt
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 02:14 PM
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23. the Balts had moved in as the Germans were moving towards the Roman Empire
Prussia has always been German territory, as far back as recorded history goes. The people who have the least claim to it are the Russians, who have turned Konigsberg into a drug and crime infested enclave, with the highest rate of AIDS out of any city in Europe. If you don't take care of your stuff, you lose the right to it.
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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 03:47 PM
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24. I think Germany should make the Russians another offer
or at least help rebuild the city and make it attractive to people again. It is a pity Konigsberg and the other cities of East Prussia should be reliant on sagging East European economies.
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Betty Karlson Donating Member (902 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 04:58 PM
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27. Experts of hydronyms would disgree with you:
The names of the rivers in the area of Königsberg/ Kalingrad indicates proto-Balto-Slavic settlemet before the arrival of the Germanic tribes around year 1.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 09:19 AM
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20. Chai-baggers??? n/t
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 08:27 PM
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29. My German relatives came from that area in 1899 when it was
still Königsberg. However, it's all Russian now.
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