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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-10 06:21 AM
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Disputed Bay of Bengal island 'disappears'
Source: BBC

Scientists in India have revealed that there is one fewer territorial dispute in the world.

Research carried out by the School of Oceanographic Studies in Calcutta shows that an island in the Bay of Bengal has vanished beneath rising seas. Recent satellites images reveal that the whole island is now under water.

The uninhabited island has been claimed for years by both India and Bangladesh. There has never been a permanent settlement on the island, which even in its heyday was never more than two metres (about six feet) above sea level.

Anyone wishing to visit now, observed Professor Sugata Hazra of the School of Oceanographic Studies Jadavpur University, will have to think of travelling by submarine. Professor Hazra said his studies revealed that sea levels in this part of the Bay of Bengal have risen much faster over the last decade than they had done in the previous 15 years.

Read more: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8584665.stm
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mikehiggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-10 06:25 AM
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1. not to belabor the issue but
things are rolling along, climate and environment-wise, regardless of our political maneuverings.

The water is rising...
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-10 08:01 AM
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11. +1
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DatManFromNawlins Donating Member (640 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-10 10:42 AM
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19. Use some common sense
A 6 foot drop in elevation of an island has jack squat to do with "climate change." The plate on which the island sits had to have subsided, either from plate tectonics or silt deposits.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-10 10:49 AM
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20. Wrong. Slight increases in sea level can cause massive increases in
erosion depending on local geology and tidal flows and such.

But go ahead with the RW talking points about climate change. it will make you lots of friends.
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DatManFromNawlins Donating Member (640 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-10 01:01 PM
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33. Go berate someone without a clue
At least then you'll be in good company.

http://gbpihed.gov.in/envis/HTML/vol10_1/rptiwari.htm
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-10 01:36 PM
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35. Also, water in the oceans does not necessarily 'level out', so a
4 cm rise worldwide is an average, and in some places could make a difference many times that amount. The oceans 'bulge' at the equator, and any rise in sea level will be disproportionately felt in equatorial regions.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-10 12:56 PM
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32. It could be both. Water expands when heated, and it will
be more pronounced near the equator.
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NickB79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-10 01:51 PM
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37. Probably erosion caused by rising sea lelvels
Bear in mind that sea level rises are not at all constant globally: http://www.e360.yale.edu/content/feature.msp?id=2255

So, it is very possible that sea levels have risen much more than average in this part of the world. Higher seas mean higher tides, which wash over the island daily and carry away the soil.

End result: no more island due to global warming.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-10 02:13 PM
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38. I can't wait to hear your common sense explanation
Edited on Wed Mar-24-10 02:14 PM by tabasco
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-10 05:42 PM
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42. Indeed. All the distractions in the world won't change that fact. nt
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polly7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-10 06:29 AM
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2. Thank you for posting this. K&R n/t.
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rfranklin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-10 06:59 AM
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3. Geez, if we could just see this happen to Jerusalem...
It would solve a lot of problems.
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Stumbler Donating Member (599 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-10 10:25 AM
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17. +1
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UndertheOcean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-10 12:07 PM
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27. +1 000 000 000 000 000 000 000
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harkadog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-10 12:37 PM
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31. Maybe you would like to see it happen to the entire country of Israel.
Come on, don't hide you feelings. Get it all out.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-10 01:08 PM
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34. It's just frustration over the long and bloody conflict.
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Old Vet Donating Member (618 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-10 03:07 AM
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49. How anyone can justify the inhumane treatment...........
by the jews towards the palestinians is beyond me. How do you cut water, electric,food sources to people and not expect retribution DUH
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harkadog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-10 02:31 PM
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50. When they are firing rockets into Israeli towns
You expect services to be kept up? If Mexicans started firing rockets into San Diego what do you think the response by the U.S. would be? DUH
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-10 07:05 AM
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4. The news here is the disappearance, not the dispute.
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tomm2thumbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-10 07:07 AM
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5. I guess that settles that /nt
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-10 07:56 AM
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6. Disputed Bay of Bengal island 'disappears'
Source: BBC News

Page last updated at 10:39 GMT, Wednesday, 24 March 2010
Disputed Bay of Bengal island 'disappears'
By Chris Morris
BBC News, Delhi

Scientists in India have revealed that there is one fewer territorial dispute in the world.

Research carried out by the School of Oceanographic Studies in Calcutta shows that an island in the Bay of Bengal has vanished beneath rising seas.

The uninhabited island has been claimed for years by both India and Bangladesh.

The tiny territory, just south of the Hariabhanga river, was known as New Moore Island to the Indians, South Talpatti Island to the Bangladeshis.

Beneath the waves

Recent satellites images reveal that the whole island is now under water.





Read more: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8584665.stm
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FSogol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-10 07:56 AM
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7. If only all our Territorial disputes could be solved so easy....
:woohoo:
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-10 07:56 AM
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8. Disputed isle in Bay of Bengal disappears into sea
Disputed isle in Bay of Bengal disappears into sea
By Nirmala George
Associated Press Writer / March 24, 2010

NEW DELHI—For nearly 30 years, India and Bangladesh have argued over control of a tiny rock island in the Bay of Bengal.

Now, it's gone.

Rising sea levels in the bay have plunged New Moore Island in the Sunderbans completely underwater, said oceanographer Sugata Hazra, a professor at Jadavpur University in Calcutta. Its disappearance has been confirmed by satellite imagery and sea patrols, he said.

"What these two countries could not achieve from years of talking, has been resolved by global warming," said Hazra.

Scientists at the School of Oceanographic Studies at the university have noted an alarming increase in the rate at which sea levels have risen over the past decade in the Bay of Bengal.

More:
http://www.boston.com/news/world/asia/articles/2010/03/24/disputed_isle_in_bay_of_bengal_disappears_into_sea/
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-10 07:56 AM
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9. We should have commercials on Rush Limbaugh's show selling plots of land there.
Edited on Wed Mar-24-10 07:13 AM by Ian David
Since Global Warming is a Liberal hoax.

Limbaugh's audience should be willing to make money at the expense of Liberal Doom-sayers.

We can do the same thing with The Maldives.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maldives


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vduhr Donating Member (481 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-10 12:16 PM
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30. Better yet...
there's a better place then Costa Rica for Rush to move.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-10 07:56 AM
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10. So that's where they're filming Lost now?
A sad occurrence and even sadder that it won't be the last to succumb to rising seas.

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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-10 08:08 AM
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12. Brilliant!
Could have been straight out of a Terry Pratchett book ("Jingo")!

:rofl:
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-10 09:52 AM
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13. Given that the natural population
are not allowed to return then hopefully Diego Garcia will sink without trace too.
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-10 02:56 PM
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40. Ohh..I like your thinking. And at 4 feet above sea level, a possibility
Edited on Wed Mar-24-10 02:57 PM by dixiegrrrrl
for Diego Garcia.
Wouldn't that be loverly?


edited...damn.."average" of 4 feet above sea level.
Maximum is 22 feet.

ah well....time will tell.
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SkyDaddy7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-10 10:06 AM
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14. Maybe Climate Change will...
cause the sea to engulf Israel...I never thought of Climate Change acting as a global problem solver.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-10 10:11 AM
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15. Problem solved
Next...
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biermeister Donating Member (425 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-10 10:25 AM
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16. a different perspective-
fyi- I am not a denier just tired of hearing the sky is falling every day

Climate change hoax on a sinking island

February 7th, 2010
By Richard Orange

You couldn’t hope for a more perfect climate change victim than Ajay Patra, the head man of Ghoramara — the island in India’s Sunderban chain that is next in line to be submerged beneath the rising sea. The hungry tide has already claimed all but seven of the 100 hectares his family had once owned, Ajay told me. Each year, he directs his villagers to pile felled trees onto the mud, in the deluded hope of building the island back up. And each monsoon, the sea rips the crude barriers down, tearing off another chunk of his birthright. He is like a modern-day Canute.

As we sipped tea outside Ajay’s large mud bungalow, I excitedly scribbled notes, imagining how all this would go down in the Ecologist magazine, or perhaps the London-based Independent. It had already run an article reporting the disappearance of the next-door island of Lohachara, “the first inhabited island to be claimed by climate change”. I felt sure they’d love this too. But when I asked Ajay what he made of the fact that all of his troubles were the direct result of heavy industry thousands of miles away, he looked at me like I was mad.

“It’s not because of global warming, it’s because of natural erosion”, he said. “People settled this island before they should have, the land mass is unstable”.

I smiled inwardly. It was, perhaps, too much to expect a simple village leader to have a full grasp of the science of global warming. But later, as I examined the dramatic waterline of Ghoramara, I began to have doubts. There were steep, jagged mud cliffs, two or three metres high, marking where the rough sea had torn off strips of land in the last monsoon. Wouldn’t a submerging island sit a bit lower in the water? The other giveaway were the local names for the rivers. There’s the Matla (the drunken river), and the Ichamati (the free-willed river), both named because of the frequency with which they shift course, destroying land here and throwing up new land elsewhere.

the article continues-

www.deccanchronicle.com/dc-comment/climate-change-hoax-sinking-island-316

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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-10 10:52 AM
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21. Please provide a link to the preeminent climate change expert
"Richard Orange's" credentials.




<crickets chirping>
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-10 12:08 PM
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28. "just tired of hearing the sky is falling every day"
Global warming is the consensus opinion of the scientific community. Being tired of hearing about something doesn't make it go away.
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NickB79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-10 02:27 PM
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39. Rising sea levels due to global warming would amplify the tidal effect
At the very least, global warming hastened the demise of the island by increasing erosion rates.
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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-10 10:25 AM
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18. There will be many more such resets of human disputes.
Nature doesn't care what humans think. Our choices will be increasingly limited to getting out of her way or getting run over by her bulldozer.

Need more oil? Too bad.

Need more rain? Too bad.

Microbes and parasites evolving beyond your clever defenses? Too bad.

Coastal cities going under the waves? Too bad

Starving? Too bad.

No water? Too bad.

Too much water? Too bad.

You thought your economic system was independent of earth's ecology? Too bad.

Exponentially exploding populations are always crushed in the last generation or two. The transition from half the resources being available to no resources being available is swift. Too bad.

It's not like it was a secret or anything.

Too bad.
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-10 11:46 AM
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22. New Moore Island DISAPPEARS Into The Sea
Edited on Wed Mar-24-10 11:32 AM by DeSwiss
Source: Huffington Post (AP)

New Moore Island DISAPPEARS Into The Sea

Huffington Post | NIRMALA GEORGE | 03/24/10 09:29 AM | AP



NEW DELHI — For nearly 30 years, India and Bangladesh have argued over control of a tiny rock island in the Bay of Bengal. Now rising sea levels have resolved the dispute for them: the island's gone. New Moore Island in the Sunderbans has been completely submerged, said oceanographer Sugata Hazra, a professor at Jadavpur University in Calcutta. Its disappearance has been confirmed by satellite imagery and sea patrols, he said.

"What these two countries could not achieve from years of talking, has been resolved by global warming," said Hazra.

Scientists at the School of Oceanographic Studies at the university have noted an alarming increase in the rate at which sea levels have risen over the past decade in the Bay of Bengal. Until 2000, the sea levels rose about 3 millimeters (0.12 inches) a year, but over the last decade they have been rising about 5 millimeters (0.2 inches) annually, he said.

Another nearby island, Lohachara, was submerged in 1996, forcing its inhabitants to move to the mainland, while almost half the land of Ghoramara island was underwater, he said. At least 10 other islands in the area were at risk as well, Hazra said. "We will have ever larger numbers of people displaced from the Sunderbans as more island areas come under water," he said.


Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/24/new-moore-island-disappea_n_511162.html



- Senator Jim Inhofe would probably say they just needed a few more dehumidifiers and all these problems could have been avoided.....
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Tommy_Carcetti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-10 11:46 AM
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23. Dude, they moved the island.
It's still there, just in another time period.

That island serves as a cork to keep hell from spreading out into the world. The man in back must remain on the island.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-10 11:46 AM
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25. STFU Jacob.
Nobody believes that shit your peddlin'
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vduhr Donating Member (481 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-10 12:14 PM
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29. Oops sorry, my bad....
Edited on Wed Mar-24-10 12:18 PM by vduhr
Thought you didn't get the reference.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-10 01:45 PM
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36. What's Johnny Cash got to do with it? nt
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louis-t Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-10 11:46 AM
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24. Guess India and Bangladesh will have to find something else to
fight about.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-10 11:46 AM
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26. But...but... butt.... we got hit with all that snow in the Northeast so Global Warming MUST be fake
:eyes:


( :sarcasm: for those who can't figure it out)
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bergie321 Donating Member (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-10 03:05 PM
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41. Islandgate?
Right wingers only understand an issue if you can attach "gate" to it.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-10 05:47 PM
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43. Israel is on the coast--maybe this will settle that issue too.
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TomCADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-10 11:05 PM
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44. With a couple million dollars, The Chamber of Commerce Can Convince You...
It is still there.
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-10 02:31 AM
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45. New Moore Island No More As Island Disappears
Edited on Thu Mar-25-10 12:34 AM by Dover
Source: BBC




A tiny island in the Bay of Bengal, claimed by both India and Bangladesh, has disappeared beneath rising seas, the BBC is reporting.

Scientists in India say the uninhabited territory, known as New Moore Island to the Indians and South Talpatti Island to the Bangladeshis, is now completely under water according to latest satellite images.

There are fears that other nearby islands could also vanish as sea levels rise, though New Moore was always threatened, as even in its heyday it was never more than two metres above sea level.

Rising sea levels is one of the consequences, scientists say is due to climate change, as the polar ice caps melt at a faster rate than previous centuries, though it is debated whether mankind is responsible for this change.

Bangladesh has hundreds of low-lying islands that are expected to 'disappear' below the waters

cont'd





Read more: http://tvnz.co.nz/world-news/new-moore-no-more-island-disappears-3433079






From Huffington Post:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/24/new-moore-island-disappea_n_511162.html
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-10 02:31 AM
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46. Some writer thinks himself a wit for that title.
:eyes:
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Rincewind Donating Member (682 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-10 02:31 AM
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47. Well,
he's half right.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-10 02:31 AM
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48. I like catchy titles.
They tend to make me read the article.
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