Voters to be asked a 2nd time about abortion

[Hawkeye-X]

Source: 9news.com

DENVER - In 2008, more than 2 million Colorado voters went to the polls and overwhelmingly rejected a proposed abortion ban. The amendment that would have changed the definition of when life begins was opposed by 73 percent of voters.
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Personhood Colorado, the organization that spearheaded the initiative in 2008, has been working to return the measure to the ballot in November 2010. It took them two tries to get enough valid signatures on ballot petitions.

The Colorado Secretary of State ruled too many of the signatures initially turned in were invalid. Personhood Colorado went back and collected more signatures that were turned in to the Secretary of State's office.

Read more: http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=135455&provider=top&catid=188

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What part of FUCKING NO do Personhood Colorado NOT understand?

73% will be increased to 85% NO.

Comments in that article are about 75/25 pro-choice.

Hawkeye-X

[Tx4obama]

1. Federal law trumps State law. Federal law says women have a right to abortion. n/t

[lazarus]

2. this isn't about abortion at all

Any more than all the "ban gay marriage" bills are about gay marriage. That's a distraction.

What it's about is getting the base fired up and to the polls. Republicans have been doing this for a long time.

Have they ever seriously attempted to ban gay marriage on the federal level? Or abortion? Even when they had all three branches of government? No, because if they did they'd lose their ability to get the base to turn out.

Remember, the religious right only became political in the mid to late 70s over Roe v Wade. Culture wars are effective for keeping them in the fight and keeping their turnout high.

(Yes, I know about DOMA, but it was a half-assed measure that kept the base happy and still let the state Republicans run anti-gay marriage bills every two years.)

[Skittles]

8. LAZARUS NAILS IT

repukes don't WANT these issues "settled" - it the red meat they throw to their stupid rabid base come every election

[Arkansas Granny]

14. Exactly right. If these issues were "settled", they would have to look for

something else to use to rile up their base.

[old mark]

15. YES!!! These issues are seen as cheap votes - Any RWer stating they are

"against abortion", "support traditional marriage", etc is assured a certain number of votes with no further effort. They are a cheap, easy substitute for an actual political position on anything - just spout off a few buzzwords and get instant financial support, attention and votes.

George Bush the First gained a huge amount of publicity, cash and votes in his first campaign by declaring he was aganst burning the American flag....well, DUH, George - We all think that would be required of anyone running for President, right?
But it worked for him. Never underestimate the number of idiots in America who vote.


mark

[BolivarianHero]

18. Hmm...

Well what about corrupt "leaders" like Rangel who keep African-Americans on the neo-liberal plantation by telling them that a Republican like Bush, who denied thousands of African-Americans their voting rights, is a better man than a socialist like Chavez, who has won 4 free and fair elections in which no Afro-Venezuelan was denied their voting rights? If you believe that a Republican is better than a socialist, you are no progressive, you don't belong in the Democratic Party, and you are corrupt as all Hell.

[WinkyDink]

29. Not relevant to the OP. But maybe deserving of a separate thread.

Pro-Chavez here. :-)

[paulsby]

57. bullshit

i am NO progressive, i most definitely belong in the dem party and i'll take most republicans over an authoritarian piece of crap like chavez any day of the week.

you aren't the "decider" of who does and doesn't belong in the democratic party

a republican is still a capitalist, as are the VAST majority of dems (freeper rhetoric aside).

that's something dems and repubs agree on. and rightly so

[WinkyDink]

27. Throw in "I'm born-again", and you've hit the RW Trifecta.

[No Elephants]

58. What "fecta' has 4 items? Because "white culture" is in there somewhere.

[JonLP24]

19. Great post

You're exactly right.

[RainDog]

23. therefore, any Democrat who sides with them is working to help Republicans

stupak.

[GoddessOfGuinness]

24. The good news is that this tactic works both ways...

As long as we're constantly put in a position to defend a woman's right to choose, there will be dems going to the polls.

[Slit Skirt]

30. yes you are absolutely right....

[Child_Of_Isis]

36. You can add socialism to that list.

Even though elected officials live under the socialist umbrella, I don't see the right catching on to that any time soon.

[fascisthunter]

45. Lazarus... you rose from the grave yesterday

what the hell are you doing here?

[Taverner]

47. It's about getting Conservative Coloradans to hate Women

Just like the gay marriage bans are about getting Conservatives to hate gays.

[Judi Lynn]

50. If any people in their "base" were only bright enough to grasp this fact, they'd be furious!

Lucky for the cynical right-wing power players there's no chance in hell they'll EVER get it.

Thanks for making this point, you're so right.

They will never win on their ideas, or their actual values, or talent, or their decency. All that's left is fear and hatred.

[lazarus]

52. at least one of them did

I can't remember his name, but he was the guy in charge of Bush's Faith Based Government Give Away To Religion program, or whatever it was called. He ended up writing a book about how the Republicans are just using the Religious Right, but none of the ones being used paid any attention to him.

[Still Blue in PDX]

55. Guess I'm a bright one.

Ex-pro-life activist ex-repuglican voter ex-born-again christian here.

Still pro-life but not anti-choice.

And I don't wear my religion on my sleeve or on a bumper sticker.

[No Elephants]

60. Both Parties use the same issues to gin up the base. Pubs don't cave on the issues, though.

[laughingliberal]

3. You would think that sooner or later some of these anti-choicers would wake up

and think, "perhaps, having a job and being able to raise my family with a roof over their heads and food to eat is more important than whether I get to decide what someone else does about a personal matter which affects my life not at all."

Wouldn't you think that? WTF is wrong with them?

[Jax]

4. Abortion, SAFE AND LEGAL, it is a NECESSARY Medical Procedure

for health care. None of anyone but a Woman's business.



Unwanted pregnancy RARE.
Abortion, Safe and Legal.



Birth Control Pills Over the Counter NOW.

Ten Years into the 21ST Century, and still NO Birth Control Pills Over the Counter,

in 2010...heteroboys. On YOU.

Alyce

[Christa]

16. I don't get why we cannot get birth control pills over the counter

This is America, this is 2010!

I left South Africa 13 years ago and birth control pills was available free of charge from any clinic, condoms as well.

Why are we so backwards when it comes to birth control?

[SocialistLez]

35. Some docs claim

The brand needs to be determined with a visit to the ob/gyn.
Of course I got my BC pills without an exam but they were $30 a month and considering I don't really NEED them (just didn't feel like dealing with my period), $30 a month was a lot of money just to not have my period.

In any case, that's pretty interesting about South Africa.

If I had my way, all contraception would be available free of charge.

Right-wingers hate the idea of subsidizing contraception yet they have such a problem with teenage pregnancy and "welfare queens" with multiple kids. :argh:

[Techn0Girl]

41. Birth Control... Apartheid ... it's all the same thing.

As the first poster said - it's just throw aways to the stupid people to get them to vote they way they are told.

Somehow , some way ... there needs to be a meme to contract this sort of thing. Until that happens stupid people will always be held hostage to those who would exploit them.

I'm being (only a bit) tongue in cheek by calling them "stupid people". Somehow we need to get people to think critically. I wish I knew how to do that exactly.

[SocialistLez]

62. Thinking critically?

Looking at our educational system, "critical thinking" is a "dying art."

[AlbertCat]

42. Why are we so backwards when it comes to birth control?

Why are we so backwards on ANY issue involving sex?


The Pilgrims landed on Plymouth Rock, y'know.

[depakid]

5. One thing about the fundies is that they never give up

[boppers]

6. Silly strategy. What they need to do (with this Supreme Court) is get fetuses incorporated.

Then, they're not only persons, but can donate to future campaigns without limitations!

:evilgrin:

[CLANG]

7. But how do we prove that the fetus wrote the check?

I think you need to think this through a bit. Also, where will the fetus get the money from, since they're stuck inside a hermetically sealed liquid environment? Am I wrong? Or just silly?

[Skittles]

9. LOL CLANG

responding to an idiot with idiocy - PRICELESS :thumbsup:

[boppers]

10. It's late in the US.

We aim:
1) To please.
2) To bump interesting topics for the a.m. crowd.
3) To use humor to inform others, and change the way people think.
4) To be idiots.

You're welcome.

[Double T]

11. Voters should NOT have any say about abortion.

The USA has some of the dumbest people on earth that don't understand and accept the word 'NO'.

[donco6]

17. Any more than they should about who can be married.

Amen to that.

[JerseygirlCT]

40. Precisely

Individual rights - human rights - should never be up for a majority vote. They exist BEFORE laws.

[RainDog]

26. exactly. it is none of their fucking business. n/t

[Odin2005]

37. Ditto! The Tyranny of The Majority is still Tyranny.

[defendandprotect]

51. Voters should be able to EXPAND rights, but NEVER to limit them . . .

[Shining Jack]

12. "What part of FUCKING NO do Personhood Colorado NOT understand?"

Well it's as ineffective as yelling no at mosquitoes,leeches and other bloodsucking parasites.

[fasttense]

13. So, Colorado didn't want fetuses classified as people in 2008.

How about 2010? How about now? How about now?

Let's see we got corporations classified as people by the Dancing Supremes, maybe next time they will pick fetuses or Kangaroos, or robots, or flocks of birds or...

[Thor_MN]

28. There you go. It's a slippery slope. Next thing you know you have the

fertized egg people granting personhood to turtles and dogs. Then the turtles and dogs can get married (as long as they are the opposite sex.)

[Gman]

20. GOTV

That's all it is. GOTV

[Name removed]

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[cap]

25. If people ...

want to enable babies to murder their mother, then that's their choice. If they believe in a God, then they alone will answer on judgment day. No one else.

[CanonRay]

22. This is the kind of crap that lost them the state legislature

Colorado voters wanted our problems dealt with, not this kind of bullshit. It will lose, big, again. And it gets more young people out against it as it riles up the campuses.

[RayStar]

31. What a waste

Abortion should/is be a dead issue. Any man voting against abortion, should also sign a consent form to be neutered without anesthesia.

[SocialistLez]

63. Just think....

The $$ they're WASTING on this silly campaign could be used to feed hungry children, provide birth control to low-income families, buy formula + diapers for single mothers and/or low-income families.....

Just a few little suggestions.....

[pasto76]

32. this is why

"The idea that the minority party represents the "will of the people"
(not some of the people, but "the people") is the seedling of a totalitarian mindset.
In this mindset -- democracy doesn't matter, ideas are not to be discussed,
and opposing views are not to respected. What matters is that they alone have truth,
they alone are metaphysically connected to the "mind of the people" can interpret their will,
and because they have truth and speak for the people,
others represent a threat and must be silenced and stopped."

[Altoid_Cyclist]

33. Our local city council just replaced one member who died.

The main consideration given to the people interested in the vacancy was how staunchly "Pro-Life" they are. Give me a freaking break! This city is a conservative stronghold where every candidate is basically obliged to be strongly anti choice if they are to have any chance of being elected.

What the hell does that have to do with running a city that's a mere shadow of what it used to be? Good jobs with benefits have been sharply reduced so that we can have thousands of fast food and part time retail positions instead. We have people being arrested and put in prison for minor drug offenses with almost weekly "huge" drug dealer round ups that the police and politicians (not to mention the religious leaders) assure us will eliminate the drug problem permanently. This place has so many major problems to deal with and all that they care about is the amount of conviction shown by "pro-life" candidates???!!! Most of these hypocrites that care so much about ALL human life don't extend that warmth to any of "those people" that happen to have a different skin color or practice a different religion.

This place is a microcosm of the theocracy being planned by the RW zealots (wingnuts) for the rest of the country if they get their way.
I have to say, it's not a pretty sight if their vision of the future actually comes to fruition.

It has since heated up even more with the release of the email that was sent to persuade the mayor and council to vote for their choice. The email contains over a dozen references to pro-life or murdering unborn children.

This is an excerpt of the council meeting article.

Mills to replace Ibrahim
Most supporters endorsed Haire.


Former supporters of late City Councilman Jason Ibrahim sent a parade of witnesses before the council Wednesday touting former candidate Mike Haire as a replacement - saying Haire's pro-life, fiscally conservative views matched Ibrahim's.

No one spoke in favor of any of the other eight applicants, and according to two council members, the entirety of a barrage of personal messages to them also ran in support of Haire.

Rest of article:
http://www.altoonamirror.com/page/content.detail/id/528210.html?nav=742

[roseBudd]

34. Unfortunatelty turnout wil be vastly different for 2010, than 2008

And the antichoicers know that

[Odin2005]

38. They must be taking advice from Neo-Liberal EU Eurocrats.

Make people vote on something enough times and they'll just say yes because they are sick of voting on it.

[JerseygirlCT]

39. That's the problem with this way of doing things

It seems to let people think they have any right to a "majority rules" vote on someone else's basic rights. And so they just keep at it, and at it.

I'm glad we voted down a proposal here in CT last time that would have opened the door to this kind of silliness.

[The Straight Story]

43. Well, people in CA banned gay marriage - should people their give up trying for a new vote? (nt)

[defendandprotect]

49. The CA situation suggests manipulation and church interference and $$$$$ . . .

PLUS ir should not be left up to any public majority to limit rights --

if they want to run campaigns to EXPAND them -- fine.

But not limit them --

[Cowpunk]

44. I hope they try that here in Nebraska. I really do. NT

[No Elephants]

59. Old saying: Be careful what you wish for.

[xxqqqzme]

46. Only twice?

We have a 4th attempt here in California to get a state constitutional amendment to criminalize doctors unless parental consent is obtained. Three time it has failed but the religious rong is at it again this year. I think now it is more about getting planned parenthood to spend money on opposition to the initiative than anything else.

When a proposition is defeated, it shouldn't be allowed on the ballot again for at least 8 years.

The rethugs did the same thing w/ school vouchers initiatives throughout the 90s. Now that the state is bankrupt, they're just privatizing education behind everyone's back. They always get what they want one way or the other.

[defendandprotect]

48. RCC church members favor abortion/choice by 50%+ . . .

in other cases of abortion by higher majority --

Catholic women have abortions at the same rate as any other women --

Catholic women in Ireland also travel for abortions -- to the UK -- 7,000 per year --

at personal expense/hardship!



Catholics support a government run health care plan -- 73%/83%

And they want a government plan or private plan to cover . . .

Pre-and-post natal care -- 95%/97%

HIV/AIDS testing -- 86%/92%

CONTRACEPTION covered -- 63%/67%

CONDOMS to prevent HIV/Aids -- 51%/57%


AND FOR ABORTION . . .

When a pregnancy threatens life of woman 84%/87%

When it results from rape/incest -- 76%/80%

When it poses a long term health risk to woman -- 73%/77%

When fetus has severe abnormal condition -- 66%/71%

When a woman + doctor decide appropriate -- 50%/53%


PS: Majorities higher when Latinos/Latinas are included ...

[fascisthunter]

56. interesting

[donheld]

53. Hawkeye, I get so tired of the right wingers crap

Why our state. :grr: Yea they want'em born, but after the birth they don't give a damn.

[harry_pothead]

54. And of the pro-life comments

For every 1 that says "give the life a chance", there are 3 that say "fuck that slut for opening her legs, she should deal with it!"

George Carlin was right - it's not pro-life, it's anti-woman.

[No Elephants]

61. Why is Colorado voting on a Constitutional right without a resolution from Congress to

amend the Constitution?

[Hekate]

64. It's about bringing the crazies out to the ballot box. While there, they'll vote for Repubs...

... so the theory goes.

Up to now it's worked fairly effectively for the Repubs, but that may be wearing off, finally.

I hope.

Hekate