George W. Bush 'knew Guantánamo prisoners were innocent

[deminks]

Source: Times Online

George W. Bush, Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld covered up that hundreds of innocent men were sent to the Guantánamo Bay prison camp because they feared that releasing them would harm the push for war in Iraq and the broader War on Terror, according to a new document obtained by The Times.

The accusations were made by Lawrence Wilkerson, a top aide to Colin Powell, the former Republican Secretary of State, in a signed declaration to support a lawsuit filed by a Guantánamo detainee. It is the first time that such allegations have been made by a senior member of the Bush Administration.

Colonel Wilkerson, who was General Powell’s chief of staff when he ran the State Department, was most critical of Mr Cheney and Mr Rumsfeld. He claimed that the former Vice-President and Defence Secretary knew that the majority of the initial 742 detainees sent to Guantánamo in 2002 were innocent but believed that it was “politically impossible to release them”.

General Powell, who left the Bush Administration in 2005, angry about the misinformation that he unwittingly gave the world when he made the case for the invasion of Iraq at the UN, is understood to have backed Colonel Wilkerson’s declaration.



Read more: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article7092435.ece

[glowing]

1. How many more reasons can this country ignore or should I say, D.C. people who want to look forward,

going to ignore before the criminals are held accountable?

[Just-plain-Kathy]

29. +1

[amyrose2712]

146. +1001

[ejbr]

156. +1002 n/t

[happygoluckytoyou]

162. IN A RELATED STORY mainstream news reports that Paris Hilton bought a pair of shoes, fox has photos

[activa8tr]

202. Those shoes, and the buyer are SO IMPORTANT!!!!

Compared to George Bush's minor infractions of the law.

Let's keep things in perspective.

[cutlassmama]

209. +1003

[Jackpine Radical]

2. I still can't believe Powell got taken in buy those turkeys.

I'm glad Wilkerson is coming out, but I don't know that I'll ever gain respect for My Lai Powell.

[arcane1]

4. IMO Powell knew it was bullshit all along

You can tell by his expression, voice, and demeanor

[Jackpine Radical]

5. That is precisely my take on it.

[rhett o rick]

66. Of course, Powell is not an idiot. He is a good soldier and thought he was

doing what was best for the country. Somewhere along the line, he wised up and saw he was played for a patsy.

[Art_from_Ark]

75. Powell knew that the Anthrax claim against Saddam was phony

yet he still went in front of the UN waving that vial of powdered milk or whatever to make a case for the bogus war against Iraq.

[skyounkin]

177. I'm sure if I lied to the UN

I would be arrested and thrown in jail.

[No Elephants]

96. As to Iraq, I disagree that Powell thought he was doing what was best for the country.

At least by the time he addressed the UN, he was pretty sure he was spouting bs, but kept spouting it anyway, without ever blowing the whistle that America was about to embark on a phony war. Please see Reply # 86.

Well, the war is real enough. Just ask the casualties from all nations involved. Powell's sales pitch was the phony.

[Mike K]

188. In order for Colin Powell not to know -

- exactly what the situation was and what he was doing to promote it he would need to be an idiot. But an idiot does not rise as a minority from the streets of the Bronx to become Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and then Secretary of State. Colin Powell is no idiot. He is a conniving, self-serving politician in uniform who heard his master's voice, obeyed it, and when the truth came out he ran for the hills rather than stick around and answer questions.

Now the duplicitous weasel is trying to re-invent himself and wiggle back onto the political stage. But I don't think he's going to succeed because too many people know what a slimy character he really is and sooner or later he will be confronted with the truth, which he can't deal with. For him to say he didn't understand what was happening is comparable to the first officer of a naval vessel saying he didn't understand what the rudder does.

Don't be fooled by this disgrace to the uniform he wore. He betrayed us. And were it not for his monumental betrayal it is likely that Bush could not have gotten approval for the Iraq invasion. Powell's testimony sold it.

[No Elephants]

91. You are a good observer. Please see Reply # 86.

[unblock]

7. poor powell. always seeming to just be hanging out with the wrong crowd

again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again.

[liberation]

34. Don't ever feel pity for the willing...

... Powell hasn't lost any loved ones in the desert sands.

f*ck him. I don't care how much he is trying to clean up his legacy, a selfish chickenshit until the end...

[TxVietVet]

27. I never had any respect for Powell because of his report

on My Lai. He was an up-and-coming Black American officer. He wasn't rocking the boat. Powell was helping cover-up and make his superiors look good and those that had reported the incident look as disgruntled, lazy Enlisted Men that had an ax to grind against the Army.

[thelordofhell]

49. And people still wonder why he's a republican

:eyes:

[No Elephants]

97. And he ended his public career similarly. Difference being, his lies

about My Lai did not cost people their lives, limbs, sanity, military careers, etc. Please see Reply #86. Lord only knows what else he did that we don't know about and never will.

A self serving chicken shit who cared about his own career and legacy more than he cared about honor, integrity, and even human life. And who still either doesn't get it or won't admit it and beg forgiveness. So, an unrepentant, self serving chickenshit.

When the talking heads and other pseudo journalists fawn over him, I want to toss.

Welcome to DU.

ETA: Ditto when Democrats are willing to forgive him everything because he FINALLY endorsed Obama. By the time he did that, it was clear Obama was going to win anyway, or General Chickenshit would have kept his mouth shut (or campaigned for the likely winner).

[Jackpine Radical]

206. You damn right.

And BTW, in my case, it was Co. B, 2/5 Cav, 1st Cav Div, 1967-68.

[WhiteTara]

54. he wanted to hang with the cool kids

and didn't want to realize they would never accept him in the club no matter what he did. Damned and snookered.

[No Elephants]

98. First time I've heard Cheney, Rumsfeld, Tenet, et al. referred to as cool, but I know what you mean.

Gubbamint power is seductive, especially if you are in the military.

[No Elephants]

86. I can't believe the nation got taken in by Powell.

I hate to be the one to break it to you (NOT being sarcastic about that), but Powell IS one of those turkeys.

Powell bragged on national TV about having insisted that George Tenet sit right behind him IN CAMERA RANGE, while Powell tried to persuade the UN that our invasion of Iraq was justified. In other worrds, Powell knew he was spouting bs to the UN an, the world (and to Americans), but he did it anyway--as long as he was able to set up his alibi in case he needed it in the future. "George Tenet convinced me."

Powell's concern was his own reputation, not that he was trying to gin other countries into sending their sons and daughters into the "coalition of the willing."

ETA: I don't remember who, but someone in Bushco later said, also on TV< that Bushco relied heavily on Powell because they thought he had crediblity and, if anyone could sway public opinion in their direction.

And Powell still defends what he did. In fact, that is what he was doing when I heard him say that he insisted Tenet sit right behind him, in the UN, in camera range.

More than one President has hidden behind Powell. Powell also helped Clinton craft and sell the DADT policy. So, he's a bi-partisan shill.

[RufusTFirefly]

167. Powell is a shill, period

He has been shilling for decades. His shameful performance before the UN was really nothing new.

Do a little searching on Powell and the My Lai Massacre if you are under the illusion that he ever had credibility.

[Jackpine Radical]

207. You miss my point. When I said "I can't believe," I also meant

"I don't believe." We agree entirely; that's what I was trying to cue with the "My Lai Powell" appellation.

[Botany]

3. Of course many were innocent

We were paying war lords / drug thugs / crooks in Afghanistan $30,000 per terrorist so
"they" rounded up a bunch of terrorists. farmers, cab drivers, students, people that others
didn't like, and so on.

[KeepItReal]

14. Precisely.

Eom

[NanceGreggs]

6. K & R - this story deserves wide circulation.

What pisses me off no end is, "General Powell, who left the Bush Administration in 2005, angry about the misinformation that he unwittingly gave the world when he made the case for the invasion of Iraq at the UN, is understood to have backed Colonel Wilkerson’s declaration."

Powell knew (or "ought to have known", as they say in the legal biz) that he'd been fed bogus information in the first place, and disseminated that information nonetheless. To now claim it was done "unwittingly" only adds insult to injury.

Being "understood to have backed Wilkerson's declaration" after-the-fact is a classic example of too little - and waaaaay too late.

[Botany]

12. w/ in 10 days or 2 weeks after the fall 2001 anthrax attacks "we" knew ...

.... from DNA that the anthrax came from Ft. Dettrick, MD.



I have always wondered if he knew the true story when he went in front of the
U.N..

[No Elephants]

100. Yep, he did. In your photo, who is the man in the red tie sitting behind Powell?

George Tenet, then head of the CIA.

What is the head of the CIA doing at the UN, sitting behind Powell? There to testify? Nope.

Please see Reply #86.

[gvstn]

74. I know

I listened to Powell's speech and said, "This is all they have got--to go to war?".

It was bogus then and it is bogus now. Powell was marketing the war, and he knew it.

No redeeming Powell for me.

He may have been a proud soldier once but after going to the U.N. with that flimsy story and putting his reputation on the line he deserves to be marginalized. +200,000 dead people in Iraq because he was towing the line. No redemption.

[Mike K]

196. Colin Powell was never a proud soldier.

He is what he is and always was because the spots of a leopard never change.

[No Elephants]

99. He did know. Please see Reply #86. His anger is about being found out.

[LakeSamish706]

8. Especially true if you consider that 911 may have been an inside job. n/t

[No Elephants]

101. Why can't you just accept the truth? God wanted Bush to win a second term.

[ConcernedCanuk]

9. .

.
.
.

[ixion]

10. so can they be held accountable yet?

Or are we still "moving forward" and keeping that "off the table" :argh:

[boppers]

42. Moral outrage isn't a legal charge.

You have to charge people with a specific crime.

[Amonester]

78. How about repeatedly LYING to the country using FEAR

to start a WAR of aggression in which thousands of good soldiers DIED and tens of thousands of them got their HEALTH screwed up FOR LIFE?

and the hundreds of thousands of innocent HUMAN BEINGS of all ages went the collateral way?

LAST RESORT MY A**

Why Rn't these war criminals in jail for life yet?

politics? :grr:

f**k f**k f**k

[Enthusiast]

132. Right on, Amonester !

I guess it's too bad these assholes didn't get a blow job.

[No Elephants]

104. Knowingly imprisoning and torturing innocent folk is not a crime?

Moral outrage is something some may feel at John Edwards for cheating on his terminally ill wife in her own bed. Moral outrage is something we may feel about the cynicism of Bushco in birthing No Child Left Behind and a White House Office of Faith Based Initiatives, then funding neither.

However, Bushco repeatedly violated international and domestic law.

[Enthusiast]

130. Thank you, No Elephants.

The Tea Party feels moral outrage because Obama is a black president.

[Mike K]

198. Start with CONSPIRACY to perpetrate the following war crimes -

- and begin the list with the invasion of Iraq.

Vincent Bugliosi's book, The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder, is a perfect blueprint from which a bulletproof case against Bush could be constructed. By the time the investigation of all the charges made in the book concludes there would be sufficient evidence testimony gathered to indict Cheney, Powell, Tenet, Rice and other members of that criminal coven.

The only reason this hasn't been done is, quite simply, it hasn't been done.

[gvstn]

76. I'm still hoping Obama is playing chess

Trying to get a few basic ideals passed before he goes after the war criminals.

If I had a country that was showing a 50/50 split by partisan lines on every topic, I might try to tackle the objectives that do the most good first. Then go after past crimes.

BTW: Anyone have RELIABLE data on how many registered Republicans vs. registered Democrats? From what I see registered Democrats outnumber Republicans by at least 15%. Why do all polls split close to 50/50 on opinions?

[No Elephants]

106. Playing chess?

Announcing ostentatiously--when no one asked him-- and flatly that he will NOT investigate or prosecute Bushco, while secretly intending to that?

Losing at least some Democrats and Independents? "Emboldening" Republicans, who see Democrats in general and President Obama in particular as weak anyway? Etc. And all the while intending to investigate and prosecute in the future? So, if he ever does investigate and prosecute, people can say--rightfully--"the man is doing the opposite of what he said he would do? He/Democrats have no integrity, no crediblity. They say one thing and do the opposite. You can't trust anything they say."

And, meanwhile, people like Yoo are teaching future attorneys and Bybee sits on the federal bench seat with which Bushco awarded Bybee for writing up whatever legal memo Gonzo told him to write? And, meanwhile, Obama is dignifying Dummya and imbuing him with the aura of a humanitarian by asking him to go to Haiti with Bubba? And, meanwhile, the time stated in statutes of limitation may be running out?

Why not simply say nothing unless and until asked? And if asked, say, "The priorities of this nation now must be--thanks to the mess we inherited--financial recovery, jobs, and health care reform and {whatever}. And those are the only things this administration will be thinking about. Neither I nor Attorney General Holder are going to be distracted by hypothetical questions. And that is all we are going to say about that." Or, words to that effect.

We'll see when Obama leaves office, but I tend to doubt it's chess.

[lark]

178. It's capitulation or fear

Either he's going along to get along, or he's had a major threat to his or his family's welfare. The garbage he's ladling about "looking forward" is pure crap. Repugs hate him no matter what, nothing he can do will change that. His changing good bills into bad bills by taking out the real Democratic part and adding Repug parts has done him zero good but he still keeps doing it anyway.

[Enthusiast]

133. The notion that President Obama

is a sort of all-knowing superior mind playing chess always several moves ahead of the opposition is a complete fallacy. While I respect Obama's mind that notion is just way way wrong. We must believe our eyes.

[No Elephants]

102. That tabletop will forever be empty. Too late to impeach--or save the casualities.

Well, too late to impeach Bush, anyway.

:evilfrown:

[BuckeyeX]

11. All proud Bush patriots

Who were too chickenshit to expose this when it really mattered.

[No Elephants]

103. Please remind me: When did it cease to matter again?

[KeepItReal]

13. Who got paid millions to build the prisions at Gitmo? Dick Cheney's Halliburton.

Just follow the money, y'all.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159930,00.html

" WASHINGTON —  A subsidiary of Houston-based Halliburton (search) has been awarded a $30 million contract to build an improved 220-bed prison for terrorism suspects at Guantanamo Bay (search), Cuba, the Pentagon announced.

Kellogg Brown and Root Services Inc. (search) of Arlington, Va., is to build a two-story prison that includes day rooms, exercise areas, medical bays, air conditioning and a security control room, according to the Pentagon. It is to be completed by July 2006.

Congress previously approved the funding for the construction job. Some members, along with human rights groups, are now calling for Guantanamo to close because of reports of prisoner abuse`It is also expected to require less manpower to operate."

The total contract could be worth up to $500 million through 2010, the Pentagon said. The Naval Facilities Engineering Command, Atlantic, in Norfolk, Va., is the contracting agency."

[defendandprotect]

15. .... of course, Bush knew -- that's why he was having them tortured ---!!!

[katandmoon]

16. K&R. And my disgust with Obama for letting these criminals slide continues to grow.

[TxVietVet]

30. I'm disgusted, also. So,

I have sent many an answer back to the Democratic Party, the Democratic National Committee, the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee and any other Democratic Party solicitor that sends me a request for funds. I no longer support the National Democratic Party or any of it's affiliates. I will support progressive candidates. They are usually Democrats. My reason for doing so is this: When Nancy Pelosi said impeachment was off the table, she told the country that the Democrats would not look into the crimes of the bu$h regime.

To this day, some Democratic Party hack will call looking for a donation and I will preach to him why I won't give. Also, I tell them to tell their superiors (fat chance of that happening). I also tell them that calling me is a waste of time, but don't take my phone number off the list because I enjoy reminding the Party that they are partners in the bu$h regime's crimes.:hurts: .


F*ck 'em. Feed the worthless bastards fish heads til they puke. :puke:

[No Elephants]

105. I feel similarly, BUT Nancy Pelosi took impeachment off the table, not investigation or prosecution.

As Speaker of the House, Pelosi had power to take impeachment/House investigations off the table, but that's all. It was the Chief Executive of the nation, President Obama, who hastily told the country that Democrats--that America--would not look into the crimes of Bushco.

[lark]

180. I'm extremely disgusted as well as very disappointed

[Jefferson23]

17. What are we going to have to wait for the Hague? This truly sickens me.

[no_hypocrisy]

18. THE HAGUE!!!!

[Matariki]

19. Justice? Ever?

[Demeter]

20. Bush Just Didn't Care

These weren't people to him. The classic mark of psychopathy.

And it never occurred to him that someday he might end up at the tender mercy of another being like himself.

Oh, he thinks he has the perfect cover, and that he is invincible.

He may even think he has the history books covered, or he accepts that when he's dead, he won't care anyway.

Obama is another convinced of his invincibility. Why else would he think that Presidential assassination orders will never never target him or anyone he cares about? Has the possibility of retribution never crossed his mind, whether God-given, or by the hand of mortal man who has lost everything and thinks to take down his oppressor with him?

How can anyone think that the rule of law can only be suspended for some victims, without realizing that all of us become targets with that first baby step?

This country is now so tainted by lawlessness, that it may be beyond any hope of redemption that isn't brought by a bloodbath. The Civil War will look like a fire drill, in comparison. And it won't be the Teabaggers who win, either. They probably won't even get a chance to start it.

I'm just Kassandra, telling of the horrors that no one will hear or believe.

[earcandle]

79. I hear you, dear. Kassandra's life was short as well. She was killed by Clytemnestra, the

jealous wife of the man who captured, raped and kidnapped
Kassandra. 

Kassandra was killed because Agemmemnon showed her off to his
wife.
What wife would not be enraged?  

It wasn't Kassandra's fault.  She wanted to go home and wished
this
never happened to her.


Clytemnestra killed Agamemnon,her husband, as well.

Such are the Greek tragedies. We must respect the Greeks. We
are fools
to throw away our history and conventions and traditions.  We
not only
need those, we also need to work for progress and
solutions,not band-aides. 


Those Greeks gave us foundational principles of civilization,
by pointing out opposites,
 alerting us to things we must avoid or learn from so as not
to be caught by the fates.

Their myths are deep and archetypal. It can be said that if
you haven't studied
them enough, you can default your life to an archetype and be
quite happy,
however unconscious. 

That means, without routine practice of the principles of
ethics,logic and passion,
humans default to the first label they are given. Some people
lead ugly archetypal lives
but glory in them thanks to a gang of the same or perhaps a
bunch of thugs egging them on.

We need our ethics intact to turn this around: our character,
intelligence, and good will, 

If we have no strength of character, no smarts and an
unwillingness to use our will for good, 
we may degenerate to the crass, default to an archetype (rich
man, poor man, beggar man, thief) 
then we are stereotyped beyond return. 

When this happens, our lives are on a direct path to something
we have no control over. 
Archetypes are powerful and directive.  

Without some conscious effort, we rarely change.  

To avoid defaulting to archetypes, we just get our integrity
intact and catch up in our own time. 

Can you take on the role of Kassandra as a performer in
action, 
and promise not to take on her archetype?  There are some
ugly, careless, and stupidly rough men out there. 
  
We want you  alive and well. 

[No Elephants]

111. Typical. Married guy rapes someone other than his wife and the wife is pissed at the other woman.

[No Elephants]

107. Word to the wise, honey: Steer clear of jars. (And of Ovid..)

Seems some folk don't appreciate truthful foretelling of the future, no matter how many times hindsight proves that the prediction was correct. In fact, the more times the oracle is proven to have been correct, the greater the resentment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cumaean_Sibyl

[Enthusiast]

134. What a frightening prospect.

But I can't say I disagree.


"This country is now so tainted by lawlessness, that it may be beyond any hope of redemption that isn't brought by a bloodbath."

[NM Independent]

21. This is news?

Most DU'ers have knows this for a long time.

[No Elephants]

109. Many DUers are dead certain of many things that never happened and never will.

And it isn't as though they investigated and gave due weight to views contrary to their own. Or as though they are putting their reputations IRL or their careers on the line when they post all those things of which they are dead certain.

Publication IRL, unlike message board posting, means (theoretically) that some standard was met and someone's real life reputation and credibility, if not career, is at stake.

[lark]

181. Many things are published

and the investigation is totally flawed with the conclusion being pre-ordained - like the 911 investigation about the buildings going down. There was no consideration of contrary information, it was total propaganda.

[Bluenorthwest]

149. No, they have assumed and conjectured correctly

But none of us 'knew'. We had no personal witness. To believe and to prove are not the same. At all.

[Soylent Brice]

22. so, can we prosecute now?

K&R

[Jack Rabbit]

23. Investigate, indict, incarcerate

Let's see, it was politically impossible to release innocent men because that would damage the case to get the US into a war that should not have been contemplated in the first place.

[DemoTex]

24. Disgrace, cashier, convict.

It's sad that it takes a UK publication to put the record straight.

[earcandle]

80. Good Journalists are murdered in this country. Put the Fairness Doctrine back in and get both

sides to compete for authenticity again.

[Enthusiast]

135. +1

[Grassy Knoll]

35. + 100 , one of your best Jack. n/t

[Gman]

25. Just how much is enough to indict, convict and imprison for life

Bush, Cheney, et al? WTF does it take?

[bullwinkle428]

26. Anyone need more proof that the fucker has no conscience?

[juxtaposed]

28. The day Colin Powell gave the case to go to war at the UN

I felt bad for him. If you look at the speech of reasons to go to war you could see he didn't believe anything he was saying..

What a horrible place for Bush and crew to put such a dignified man..

[sabrina 1]

60. I didn't feel sorry for him. I and many, many others knew

he was lying for the Empire that day. I felt sorry for the future victims of that decision. Powell knew who he was dealing with. That has all been made public now. He got some stuff taken out of that speech, because he knew it was just too outrageous for anyone to believe, but in the end he went along and delivered the speech that got the war started. Those drawings he produced, I remember people back then on a board we were posting on, laughing at how anyone could use them as evidence to go to war.

Powell is a coward, maybe not as evil as the men he has chosen to work for since he was in Vietnam, but someone who never did the right thing when the opportunity presented itself. He could have quit but he didn't.

I think Wilkerson is a man of honor and he is very loyal to Powell. But he's making the mistake of blaming Bush et al for Powell's ultimate decisions. True, they put people in untenable situations, but some quit, like eg, the Ambassador to Greece at the time, who resigned the day it was declared that we would be going to war in Iraq.

[earcandle]

81. You see, Socrates died because he would not rescind that there was such a thing as "Truth"

It took Plato suggesting classes to keep the concept alive and
well, but dampened.

And then Aristotle gave us three offices of truth: ethics,
logic and passion.

if you are not aware of those, do  yourself a favor and do
some research.  

[No Elephants]

114. Well, Plato said Socrates died, and why Socrates died, and how Socrates died

No one knows if Socrates was a real figure or creation of those who claimed to have been his students, chiefly Plato.

Somewhere in the recesses of my memory, that reminds me of another wise, charismatic person of ancient times who supposedly died a dramatic and meaningul public death, but I can't recall more than that. :)

[Art_from_Ark]

77. Powell could have redeemed himself by resigning before the UN appearance

and stating the reasons for his resignation. The would probably have stopped the drive to war in its tracks.

[earcandle]

82. True Dat!

[Mike K]

200. There is no question about that.

Colin Powell was handed an opportunity to do a truly heroic thing which simply was not in his nature to do. A rodent is a rodent and in the end will do what rodents are bound by their very nature to do.

Colin Powell is what he is and what he did is plain and simple evidence of what he is. A hero would have appeared before the UN and blew the lid off the Bush conspiracy. But Powell is no hero. He is a rodent.

[No Elephants]

112. Powell put his own ass in that UN chair and opened his own mouth.

And so doing was entirely consistent with his character, or lack thereof.

Please see Reply ##s 27 and 86.

[GOTV]

170. Clearly Bush did not put a dignified man in such a position ...

... because a dignified man would not go to the UN to make a case for a war they did not believe in.

[SomeGuyInEagan]

175. No sympathy ... Powell is a coward who should be prosecuted as a war criminal

He knew what was up, just had no guts or moral compass. Most anybody else would have had the right stuff to step up and quit. Powell didn't - he is a gutless war criminal.

[lark]

182. WTF?

You felt sorry for him because he knew he was lying our country into war and didn't care about the 100,000's of thousands of people that died or were injured because he was scared to tell the truth?
:wtf: :eyes:

[Divine Discontent]

31. there's a word for men who'd keep hundreds in torturous conditions despite knowing their innocence

[Mike K]

201. You're quite right.

But the real problem is it was done in our name, yours and mine, not his. And the only way to redeem our name and the pride of our nation is to turn this bastard over to the Hague. But Obama will not do that. And that is why no matter how many good things Obama does he is not a good President.

By allowing the Bush Crime Family to walk away smiling ensures that we can expect more of the same in the future because there is no deterrent.

[Doctor_J]

32. The man blew up frogs as a kid

He's a sociopath - no conscience

[FedUpAmerican]

33. Wont Be Long Now

bush Getting Closer To Indictment - OH HAPPY DAY!

On April 3, at a meeting of over 150 lawyers, legal scholars and human rights campaigners, Ramsey Clark, founder of Indict Bush Now, was chosen to be the chairperson of an international campaign to investigate war crimes committed by officials from the Bush administration.

Representatives at the meeting held in Beirut, Lebanon, came from all over the world. The campaign will investigate the lies, deceit and manipulation leading up to the Iraq war; the conduct of the war itself against an essentially defenseless country; and the horrors of the continued occupation.
Lawyers and judges in several countries are exploring prosecution.

Ramsey Clark emphasized that it is the imperative responsibility of the American people to relentlessly pursue this investigation, and to seek prosecution and indictment inside of the United States.

The culture of criminal conduct started at the top in the White House itself and seeped far down the chain of command. The White House is responsible for these crimes—from the hideous torture scenes at Abu Ghraib prison to the shockingly grotesque, cold-blooded murder of innocent civilians by U.S. helicopter pilots in Baghdad in 2007, as shown in a video released this week.

The chilling video came to light because two of the killed Iraqis happened to be Reuters journalists, and because of the heroic effort of a whistleblower inside the Pentagon who leaked the video posted by WikiLeaks. The Pentagon undoubtedly has hundreds or thousands of similar videos that are kept under lock and key.

Prosecuting only a few low-level people would be a calculated effort to deflect away from those in high places who are ultimately responsible.

Ramsey Clark made the point that all the war crimes and crimes against humanity flow from the commission of the most supreme crimes which he identified as the Crimes against Peace. This was the finding at the Nuremberg trial, and it is enshrined in the Nuremberg Principles.

This now galvanized international movement will also conduct independent inquiries in several countries to review the conduct of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Rove, Yoo and other Bush-era officials.

[Divine Discontent]

36. we can only hope so! disgusting abuse of power, something that if he truly was a Christian, he'd

know Christ would greatly be saddened by. These men (Cheney, Rummy, Bush) knowingly pushed lies... And I wonder if Tenet and Condi shouldn't also be fingered for it, too...

[earcandle]

83. and genocided a LOT OF PEOPLE in the process of lying.

[Divine Discontent]

189. exactly - millions died because of these wars - he needs in prison. DU should keep that story on

the front page for a week.

[No Elephants]

110. I'm sure Condi's been fingered a lot. Oh, you mean....

As for Tenet, fingering Tenet was Powell's whole strategy for preserving his reputation if the Iraq poop hit the media fan. And Powell has done so. Please see Reply # 86,

[juxtaposed]

46. Lincoln sawed hunting dogs together with a thread and needle

[ronnie624]

161. ??

I've read that he once SEWED the wounds of an injured hunting dog. To me, it definitely speaks to the differences in character between Abraham Lincoln and George Bush.

[No Elephants]

115. If Incurious George stays in the U.S., won't he still be safe, if the US

continues to refuse to prosecute or turn him over?

Spain, for one, wanted to prosecute and we tamped that down fast.

Not traveling will not be a problem for Incurious George. My understanding is that one of the reasons that he got that name was that he never traveled outside the US until he ran for President--or was it until after he was elected? He'd never even been to Mexico, right across the border from good ole Texas.

[LiberalLovinLug]

169. King George doesn't need to travel

Incurious George is exactly that. It seems he is happier just staying in the good ole US of A surrounded by fellow American Neo-Cons and yes men. I don't think he gives a rats ass even if he was restricted to travel to a few countries. The Bush Crime Family has built up quite a nest egg in America starting from the Nazi Prescott grand dad.

[Demeter]

131. Do You Have a Link to a Source for this?

I'd like to keep an eye on it.

[alp227]

37. Hiding the truth = why politics is so corrupt these days. eom

[patrice]

38. If these people & their supporters can do it to ONE innocent person, they can do it to YOU

[earcandle]

84. That is true, as well!

[No Elephants]

117. Yep. And FISA and the Patriot Act, for which almost everyone in both Parties voted, will back them.

And the precedent set by Obama of not prosecuting either the lawyers or anyone who supposedly relied on the lawyers may help protect them.

So, who did you mean by "These people and their supporters?"

[midnight]

138. Not my senator from Wisconsin.... In fact Senator Feingold tried to stop the

reauthorization of the patriot act too. Now he is working on a time table to end this war..... Anyone interested in keeping elected officials like this around please donate to his re-election campaign.... Bush's former HHS director Tommy Thomson wants his job as Senator. Thomson is best known for wanting to chip everyone.

[Drops_not_Dope]

151. and they have

[secondwind]

39. Am I the only idiot who still holds out hope that Obama will do something in his 2nd term?

[juxtaposed]

41. no, i think he may

[No Elephants]

120. We'll know for certain by January 20 or so, 2013 or 2017, but I tend to doubt

prosecution by the U.S. Please see Reply 106.

Of, course, other nations might make it impossible for us to keep resisting, but I tend to doubt that as well. Compared to most other nations with {relatively} clean hands, we're so big and powerful and have so much aid in money and military to pass around. We've already told Spain to sit down and shut about prosecution or extradition. And, of course, the peskiness of those pesy statutes of limitations increases the more time passes.

ETA: Welcome to DU.

[No Elephants]

118. No. Please see Reply 76.

And, if you like, please also see my reply to that post.

[jgraz]

168. You're probably not the *only* idiot.

:P

:hi:

[lark]

183. Maybe you are just a major optimist?

[flvegan]

40. Obama? Congress? Where's the inquiry? Where is the trial?

Leadership FAIL!

[Hawkeye-X]

43. Enough is enough, Attorney General Holder. It is time to indict W.

Revoke his presidential priveleges ASAP and have him arrested for murder, treason and plundering.

Hawkeye-X

[colsohlibgal]

44. Obama Just Won't Move On Them

Just another bitter pill to swallow from the change you can believe in guy.

[earcandle]

85. If he doesn't move on this, then he is a named accomplice.

[Capitalocracy]

45. What, nobody's going to defend Bush?

Obama knows there are innocent people in Gitmo today. And those who may not be have yet to be tried.

100% agreement that Bush putting them there is bad, that's a good start. How many of you are also appalled that Obama hasn't fixed this?

[dorkulon]

50. I am. nt

[sabrina 1]

61. I am appalled that Obama has not fixed it. Worse, his DOJ

has prevented the victims from filing lawsuits against the U.S. And worse again, Obama by ordering the assassination of a 'terrorist', has signed on to Bush's contention that the President has the powers of a king.

So, no, I don't expect Obama, who has now made himself complicit in the crimes, to do anything other than protect the war criminals from the Bush administration. We made a mistake. Now we have to take Obama's advice and move on to a new plan to get these injustices dealt with.

[earcandle]

87. We are, but we are struggling with the hope for hope. Never fruitful. Better to have trust and

faith than hope.  Hope is at the effect.  There is no action
implied in hope.

Faith requires an active generating mind. 

If you have no faith in Obama, put him on the stand an make
him defend his
position and cause himself to be an accomplice so we can have
Biden until
Kucinich and Grayson are in, in 2012.  

In my world! 

[earcandle]

88. Or find him innocent and worthy with just cause for caution.

And a need for our support.

[lark]

185. Oh, come on now

What the hell good reason could he have not to investigate lying a country into war? Name just one good reason and I'll stop holding him in such contempt.

[earcandle]

210. What comes immediately to mind is maybe his life and his family's life would be threatened?

Cheney has his assassination squad.

Oh.. i forgot.

They are cousins.

oh well.

[Capitalocracy]

119. I'd vote twice for that ticket

OK, I wouldn't, but I'd volunteer like crazy

[GOTV]

171. Didn't Obama openly admit that there were those who could be neither tried nor released?

[nbcouch]

47. Of course they knew

...and in time they released hundreds of them, without so much as charging them with anything. Hundreds of lives ruined, hundreds who were innocent, who had only been in the wrong place at the wrong time, or who had been captured by bounty hunters and sold off.

False imprisonment is a crime. It doesn't matter where the prison is. These people were held, many of them for years and years, by the United States government, by the Bush administration, and the people responsible MUST be held accountable. What kind of barbarians are we if we do not do this?

[earcandle]

89. Yep! I agree completely.

[myrna minx]

48. K&R n/t

[RufusTFirefly]

51. What the hey?! It's the American Way!!

"If hundreds of innocent individuals had to suffer in order to detain a handful of hardcore terrorists, so be it."

This is how tens of thousands of our fellow citizens think. We suffer from a severe absence of empathy in this country. There's no need for compassion (or justice) when everyone who isn't a friend or family member is part of that threatening group known as the Other.

[earcandle]

90. Great point and all the more reason to get our integrity back intact asap!

a version of Vern Black's Integrity Tone Scale"

[No Elephants]

122. Many Democrats see Republicans as The Other, too..

Please see Reply ##s 38 and 117. I posted Reply 117 before reading your post.

Until relatively recently, I, too, still believed that country's problems all stemmed from Republicans and all would be fine once Democrats got control of Congress again. And then that morphed to control of Congress AND the White House.

And now, I still see Republicans as the problem--right along with Democrats, including me, of course. That's why I post that Pogo cartoon in Reply 117 so often. I am my brother's keeper--but I also am my brother's torturer.

[juxtaposed]

52. fox still will not run this and still will not post things that are opposite

of there view on there comment page

[No Elephants]

123. Please see Reply #117.

And, again, welcome to DU. Based on this thread, I expect that I will disagree with you often, but civil disagreement makes a good message board even better. So, he more adult Democratic voices, the better.

[Name removed]

53. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

55. they wanted to keep the patsies quiet?

[Lint Head]

56. Bush and Cheney are despicable pieces of trash! It is embarrassing

that they were ever in our White House. I think this country can survive the prosecution of these criminals. We just need people who are not cowards to do the job!

[L. Coyote]

57. In the USA, that means you get an airport named after you, schools, federal buildings, etc.

Remember Ronnie Raygun and the Contra cocaine mercenaries ???

[The_Casual_Observer]

58. As if this should be a surprise to anyone.

[RedSock]

59. so does obama -- the one-party torture state rolls on (eom)

[Canuckistanian]

62. It would have been bad for business

The business of Dubya's "public relations".

[Shining Jack]

63. "Politically impossible to release them"

Those bastards are so self centered that it makes me sick !

[earcandle]

92. Let make links so the people can find out.

[PinkFloyd]

64. You have to give Bush/Cheney credit...

Who would have thought even after being gone for over a year now their policies could still make you feel just as sickening as they did when they were in office. I know reading this made me feel disgusted in ways I'd almost forgot about. The Bush presidency is like the ever-lingering fart of America.

[earcandle]

93. Stinking putrid turd

[Enthusiast]

139. Agree. Beyond any fart.

[rhett o rick]

65. I refuse to believe that Georgie knew anything, and I mean ANYTHING. Further more, he didnt

care to know anything.

[No Elephants]

125. He knew. So did we. So DO we.

[Enthusiast]

140. I think rhett o rick means Bush

was just too stupid to be "in the loop". His handlers only told him what was necessary to carry out the ruse. I think I agree with rhett o rick.

[rhett o rick]

141. Thank you. I still am wondering who was running "the loop". I used to think Cheney

but more and more I think he was just a pawn also.

[Enthusiast]

142. Yeah, it is BIG, bigger than Cheney.

I suspect they are still running things right under our nose.

[Drops_not_Dope]

152. STOP EXCUSING BUSH!

THE BUCK STOPS AT THE OVAL OFFICE.

I'm sorry for yelling but too many are to eager to give
all blame to the War Criminal Cheney.
BUSH was the President.

[Enthusiast]

197. No one is that good an actor.

Bush was genuinely stupid. He did not make the first decision. He was no "decider". No excusing him, though. He is culpable because he played the role.

[Mike K]

203. George W. Bush is far from being stupid.

He is neither intelligent nor refined but he is by no means stupid. He has managed to get through life doing exactly what he wants to do, up to and including becoming President of the United States and getting away with mass murder.

How stupid can he be?

[Drops_not_Dope]

208. Exactly

[Enthusiast]

211. Sorry, but I'm not convinced.

I think he just followed along and did as they told him. JMO

[Drops_not_Dope]

212. Ohioan huh?

I was agreeing that busholini is culpable because he played the role.

He is and was the stupidest chief executive EVER. Of course he did whatever Cheney wanted, except pardon Scooter.


The Inspectors General Report on Warrantless Surveillance talks about compartmentalization. So of course Bush was out of the loop on certain matters and was 'briefed' by whomever.

http://washingtonindependent.com/50380/the-inspector-generals-report-on-warrantless-surveillance


So what exactly aren't you convinced about? That I said exactly about Bush being culpable? I am just tired of people seeming to give Bush, who was President and who should have been accountable above Cheney, a pass only because he is a moron. Moron, stupid, figurehead, whatever. When they stand at the Hague, Bush will be addressed as president not Cheney.

[Enthusiast]

213. I agree that Bush is culpable.

But he sure is a dumb fucker.

[newspeak]

215. Before * was selected

my first thought, he's going to find a way to attack Iraq. That's what the administration wanted all along. I believed it for various reasons--one, he's got a small focal point-Saddam threatened my daddy--two, his family, as well as their corporate friends smell of oil--three, daddy would have won if he would of only started another war before the election. Any of the above reasons, has nothing to do with the American people or how much damage it will cost the country-it's all about them.

[Robbie88]

67. I bet this story ends up getting about as much coverage as that terrible Wikileaks video that came

out earlier this week. Ignorance is bliss, I guess...

[gkhouston]

69. I knew just how important that truly was when all the news channels began

obsessing over Tiger Woods. Anytime they latch onto to some bullshit and suck it dry, it's a sure sign there's something else they're desperately trying not to cover. :eyes:

[Robbie88]

72. Right. It's like earlier this evening on NBC Nightly News they spent a significant amount of time

on a story about how fast food chains were no longer going to be able to supply their "food" to the troops over in Afghanistan. Now, I had no problem at all with this story being covered, but at the same time, I thought it was sort of a prime example of our media not having its priorities straight, with a story like that getting several minutes of airtime while the massacre shown on the Wikileaks video received hardly any coverage at all.

[EFerrari]

70. Most of this story has been widely known for a number of years

-- and you're right, it got no coverage then, either.

Welcome to DU, Robbie88.

[Robbie88]

71. Thanks for the welcome. n/t

[earcandle]

94. Don't rely on mass media, make your own. Send this to EVERYONE, twitter, etc. Be active.

[xxqqqzme]

68. In the very strictest sense

this is not news!

[bleever]

73. Which means, innocent people were tortured, and maybe some tortured to death.

But you have to understand, it was politically the best option.

For the people doing the opting.

[earcandle]

95. Their trials must be televised. Their trials will end the terrorism even in our own country.

[Capitalocracy]

124. Two of the three who were obviously murdered were known to be innocent. nt

[Submariner]

108. Bush/Cheney could not keep the country safe

so this atrocity was necessary to keep fooling the dumb-downed repuke base, or as we know them now....the Teabaggers.

[democrank]

113. Disturbing....

Corporate media will ignore information like this but give repeated air time to the likes of Michele Bachmann.

[Capitalocracy]

121. Tiger Woods is playing golf today

Obviously a million times more important than this petty story.:banghead:

[No Elephants]

126. And this story is a million times more important than what our troops around the globe did yesterday

Vietnam sure taught us how embarrassing the nightly news can be if it actually covers a war. So, we invented "embedding," bans on photos of coffins and such. Oh, and daily war coverage, minus sound or image.

I remember one Memorial Day not long after the Iraq War began. I thought sure, finally, we'd focus on the war. So, I turned on the opening shot of the Today Show.

It was of Matt Lauer, in a helicopter, high above some road--in the U.S., giving us Memorial Holiday weekend traffic forecasts in excruciating and lighthearted detail.

Why I didn't give up on America right here and then, I have no clue. Maybe I'm just the most naive and hopeful jaded cynic there is. Or stubborn. Or both.



Welcome to DU, from one optimistic cynic to another.

[Capitalocracy]

128. It must be love

:patriot:

Don't worry, the rest of the nation will eventually catch up with us.

[KansDem]

164. Yes, and the media is reporting that he's satisfied with the crowd's reception

Mind if I join you? :banghead:

[deutsey]

127. That was my thought too

We won't see a damn thing about this on corporate-owned media.

However, did you know Obama is a COMINIST!!!11!1!!

:evilfrown:

[14thColony]

116. Two different colleagues of mine told me the same back in 2004

Both were analysts at GTMO and neither knew the other (were there at different times), and BOTH of them said they'd quickly come to the conclusion, along with most other analysts, that between 2/3 and 3/4 of the people there had done nothing wrong and had no involvement with terrorism.

For the most part GTMO was a facade, and the people there were mostly innocent players in our little security theatre.

[NecklyTyler]

129. The majority of the Bush Administration are criminals and need to be in prison

If we could get a solid conviction on just one of them, they would turn State's Evidence and start the avalanche that would convict them all. Each one in turn would testify against another to save their sorry butts.

We have to get that first conviction

[Mike K]

205. That's it.

The fallout would be amazing, which is why there is such widespread resistance to the investigation.

[icnorth]

136. "But, but, but we planned this

all along. Even Haliburton couldn't build a cell big enough to hold the millions of terrierists runnin loose so we decided to pertect the few hundred innersents we discovered instead... "W".

[orbitalman]

137. SO WHAT?????

They're not being punished for all their other misdeeds now. So what if another is added to the list no matter how bad. On ther other hand, will we have justice from these actions 'breaking' under the weight of all of them? You know, 36" of show on the roof instead of 6" or the straw that broke.... One can only pray for this closure.

[ScottLand]

143. This comes as a surprise ... Not.

[Raster]

144. So, let's sum it all up:

1. The invasion and occupation of Iraq was planned well before 9/11. That is a fact.
   
2. There were NO WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION in Iraq. None. The United Nations maintained this from the beginning. Not one weapon has been found, and there are absolutely no indications that Iraq rearmed after the first Bush* resources war.
   
3. Accurate and verifiable documents--the Downing Street revelations, as a start--report that the United States was purposely "ginning up" the evidence to rationalize invading Iraq. Members of Tony Blair's inner circle report--again, verifiable--that the US was determined to invade Iraq, no matter the evidence or consequences.
   
4. Most people do not realize that Saddam Hussein made repeated attempts before the invasion to placate the bush*/cheney* junta to no avail. All efforts at diplomacy by Hussein were rebuffed. All efforts at diplomacy by the United Nations were rebuffed.
   
5. Iraq had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH 9/11. Nothing.
   
6. The majority of prisoners held at Guantanamo Bay and other "black" detention facilities were and are innocent. Their only crimes: they were collateral damage in the Bush*/Cheney*/NeoCONjob quest for Imperial Amerika and sitting atop massive petroleum resources.
   
7. Against all principles of international law and human decency, the United States advocated torture, used torture and now we know, most likely tortured innocent people.
   
8. And while we talking about innocent people, at best estimate, over 1,000,000 million INNOCENT Iraqi citizens have been killed or "disappeared" since the invasion. The country is in shambles. The half-way decent infrastructure that was in place during the rule of Hussein is all but destroyed.
   

I could continue, but I need to go vomit.

[Hubert Flottz]

145. George Bush thought that General Motors was in the Army.

He thought "All The Way In" was a roadhouse.

Ignorant people go to jail for crimes, just like smart folks do, in the real world.

[JamesHooks]

147. Shock and awe.

It really does not surprise me by the amount of "patriotic entitlement" these men held while they were in power.

I feel sorry for true Republicans who had to watch these men, and the culture they helped create, destroy any ounce of respect their party had.

[Bluenorthwest]

148. As long as Barack Obama wants to simply ignore these crimes

I will not accept any more of his faith based claims of Christianity if he supports the imprisonment of the innocent for political reasons. If he refuses to punish evil, he commands it to occur.

[Drops_not_Dope]

154. what you said, +1

[Mari333]

157. you got it.

[90-percent]

150. Lawrence Wilkerson

He has been one of the most courageous former Bush people to come out of those eight dark years.

He's a lot more loyal to America and The Constitution than he is to the Bush White House!

Wilkerson is a man of honor and character, in my opinion.

-90% jimmy

[KansDem]

153. Jimmy Carter stated in "Our Endangered Values" that 70-90% of the GitMo detainees were innocent

He cited US Army intelligence and the International Red Cross for those statistics.

Is ‘terrorist threat’ to America another Bush-Cheney fabrication?

Yet, nothing was done...

[Uncle Joe]

155. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, deminks.

[redqueen]

158. Shame none of these assholes grew a conscience before now. (nt)

[WillyT]

159. HUGE K & R !!!

:kick:

[peacetalksforall]

160. Please keep on naming PNAC. This acronym encompasses it all. It is not just

five or six names - Cheney Bush Rumsfeld Powell Tenet Wolfowitz. It is too easy to start making exception such as the way it went in this thread about Powell (good guy? bad guy?). PNAC says it all - it covered the set-up to Cheney and his gang getting in, Yes, it encompasses everything.

We thought it was news that Cheney named himself the VP candidate - just one piece of the plan. The PNAC PLAN. (Keep on saying PNAC).

Cheney will die an extremely wealthy man as will Bush and Rumsfeld. The history books will contain the statistics and testimonies of our soldiers. We will learn about what the US Republican news machine kept us from knowing about the thefts by hi-jack of this country and the world to fulfill the PNAC plan.

Nothing will begin to right this except peace and withdrawal. The Clinton's didn't come through. Obama is not there. Yet ... or never.

I treasure the list of all the Congress people who voted against this.

And remember:

First vote in the Senate - against Iraq War 1 - Paul Wellstone.
Last vote in the Senate - against Iraq War 2 - Paul Wellstone.

The only Senator to vote against the Patriot Act - Russ Feingold.

[NoSheep]

172. (applause)

:bounce:

[L. Coyote]

163. Just like he knew Gore won! n/t

[FedUpWithIt All]

165. K+R Prosecution needs to happen. Not that it can make up for the ruined lives.

:(

[dana_b]

166. pure evil

I think we all have said what needs to be said. PLEASE - I hope this detainee wins his case.

[yurbud]

173. Will Obama continue the indefinite detentions for political show now?

[Blue_Tires]

174. Unless George and Laura had a three-way with Tiger Woods, media here won't care

[unpossibles]

176. shocking

not

[Blue Owl]

179. How much you wanna bet

those sickos got their rocks off watching these "prisoners" being tortured, either via video tape or on their visits to Gitmo?

Seriously, can't you just picture Dick Cheney's evil grin while watching the "Arabs" get sodomized, beaten, electrocuted, and dehumanized?

All this shit came from the top.

[Obamaknowzz]

184. I wonder why Maddow, Keith Olberman, et. al are ....

not picking up on this? Or maybe they have and I haven't seen it. Very weird.

[pundaint]

186. We must stop electing and re-electing politicians of any party who do not govern for the People. We

go from one scandal to another and from screw-up to screw-up, and they're ALL symptoms of the same problem. Our elected officials in Washington are not working for US.

We must stop voting for people because we think they will change. We must stop being willing dupes.

[lebkuchen]

187. Now can we talk about the # of military who are killed, maimed, wounded for no good reason

whatsoever? And the civilians we're supposedly in Iraq and Afghanistan to protect, who are dying by US bullets?

[Rex]

190. Hey lurkers...do you understand what your Leader did?

He KNEW innocent people were rotting away to torture and worse, BUT for POLITICAL reasons he decided to leave them to their fate. THINK ABOUT IT lurkers...that is what dictators do.

SO, NOW can we start the paperwork on Bush/Cheney and Rummy?

Oh how silly, I forgot we live in a media world of make believe tales.

Innocent people kept in prison FOR POLITICAL REASONS...sounds like a crime to me!

[GreenTea]

191. Bush & Cheney & other republican fascist get their rocks off by torching people - This is fact!

These kinds of people feel no mercy, no shame and no sympathy - they are not capable of it, it's just not in them.

So the dishing out pain or being in control of the pain and watching the pain of others gets them off, they feel power, even sexually stimulated.

People like them are simply & clinically known as psychopath's.

However, Bush & Cheney, etc. are in the public eye and must get their satisfaction through other avenues, Guantánamo was one of them, war is another, and for Bush as Governor of Texas, sending a record number of convicted people to their death was another.

[craigmatic]

192. He spied and wiretapped millions of innocent Americans. Of course he would do something like this.

[Diane R]

193. There has to be a special place in hell for these people.

[sam sarrha]

194. he is a PSYCHOPATH...he knew his lies were needlessly killing/maiming our Soldiers just for Profit

and it probably gave him a hard-on, piece a F'n wet brain alcoholic drug addict rancid shit:puke:

i have forgiven my X for all she did, made false accusations to ruined my life's career, screwed all my friends, literally sold EVERYTHING i owned, came home camping and the house was empty.. ran off with a drug dealer and 2 crack whores. ended up in prison. ..made my son hate me, haven't seen him in 30 years, since he was 4. i pray for her all the time..

Dubya i pray burns in hell for ever after the longest most painful death possible.. he has destroyed this country, and any chance of saving the earth.. we cant afford to fix it anymore.. we will never recover from what he did to make rich people needlessly richer. started needless wars that will burn as long as there are muslims to hate us. he let 911 happen to go to war. :rant: i gotta go cry for a while...

[Deep13]

195. So most of us here.

For a lot of them anyway.

[activa8tr]

199. Can't the guy and Rummy and the rest be arrested for this latest one?

I mean, Bush and his buddies got away with so much, but now we have proof that he violated national and international laws.

[Capitalocracy]

204. Can he? Yes. Will he?

Well, that's another question entirely.

[buckrogers1965]

214. Someone asked what charges should we file.

That is easy.

1. Participation in a common plan or conspiracy for the accomplishment of a crime against peace
2. Planning, initiating and waging wars of aggression and other crimes against peace
3. War crimes
4. Crimes against humanity

The same charges that were filed in the Nuremberg trials.

[New Dawn]

216. And will the Obama administration hold them accountable for their obvious war crimes?