Whistleblowers on US ‘massacre’ fear CIA stalkers

[sabra]

Source: Times Online UK

Activists behind a website dedicated to revealing secret documents have complained of harassment by police and intelligence services as they prepare to release a video showing an American attack in which 97 civilians were killed in Afghanistan.

Julian Assange, one of the founders of Wikileaks, has claimed that a restaurant where the group met in Reykjavic, the capital of Iceland, came under surveillance in March and one of the group’s volunteers was detained for 21 hours by police.

Assange, an Australian, says he was followed on a flight from Reykjavik to Copenhagen by two American agents. The group has riled governments by publishing documents leaked by whistleblowers.

...

Assange claims surveillance has intensified as he and his colleagues prepare to put out their Afghan film. It is said to concern the so-called “Granai massacre”, when American aircraft dropped 500lb and 1,000lb bombs on a suspected militant compound in Farah province on May 4 last year. Several children were among those killed.

In messages on Twitter, the internet social networking site, Assange complained of “covert following and hidden photography” by police and foreign intelligence services. There have been thinly veiled threats, he says, from “an apparent British intelligence agent” in a car park in Luxembourg.

Read more: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article7094234.ece

[Grand Taurean]

1. kick

[PDJane]

2. Typical......work hard to cover it up.

Otherwise, y'see, the public might understand why 'they' hate the US.

[RandomThoughts]

3. Much of that is intimidation. Or it was when it was done to me.

Although they could be investigating to find leak source. When there are lots of people taking pictures and such, it can be just to create pressure or intimidation. And it could be any agency, or even a private company or group.


But I love the last part.
There has been speculation that Wikileaks might be part of a sophisticated “psy-ops” campaign by the CIA. If that is the case, says Assange, “I only wish they would step forward with a cheque.”

layer after layer till nobody knows. Shrug.

But I find the part about the cheque funny. Here is the thing, I figure I am owed a few million dollars, not because of anything I have done in the last decade, but from some wrong done many years ago. But there is not a single person or group I can say owes me even 20 bucks. LOL, Literally I am owed millions by a wrong done by an ideology, because the people following that ideology thought they were doing good and had good intent, but were bent by an ideology. And because I choose not to write that off, I am unable to move on to normal life stuff, hence why I just sit around listen to music and post. It is really balanced, I do nothing, because to continue when already owed would be wrong, but in doing nothing, I do other things that have their own reward. Really weird way things happen. But I see it as almost perfectly balanced in a real crappy sort of way, but with real peace of mind and comfort also. Really weird.


So when I read something like waiting for the check, I have to laugh. But hey, always other things to do.

[No Elephants]

43. I am so sorry that bad things happened to and around you.

Seems lame and inadequate. I wish I could at least give you a cup of tea or coffee, or some other small comfort. But, such is the interent. I hope the music at least is enjoyable.

[RandomThoughts]

74. Thanks for the nice thought there.

The thing is, as far as it concerns me or thinking about it from a self perspective, I am not completely sure it even was a bad thing in the totality of things. It got me started questioning things.

[Cetacea]

63. ...

The black and green scarecrow as everyone knows
Stood with a bird on his hat and straw everywhere.
He didn't care.
He stood in a field where barley grows.

His head did no thinking
His arms didn't move except when the wind cut up
Rough and mice ran around on the ground
He stood in a field where barley grows.

The black and green scarecrow is sadder than me
But now he's resigned to his fate
'Cause life's not unkind - he doesn't mind.
He stood in a field where barley grows.


syd barrett

[RandomThoughts]

75. I don't see that as the same.

Most of my actions are saying people can not define fate and tell a person what they will be, and actually it is constant action in defying what people might say is a fate, based on their views of what is.

It is more like a while loop in a computer program. Near the end of the show AI, the character found that blue lady thing he was looking for. Which ended up putting him into a while loop. Its more like that.

Its understandable, and quite reasonable and maybe even too logical, but not sad nor resigned to anything, nor is it lack of thinking nor not doing anything, it is only not doing some things, and instead doing others.

[sabrina 1]

4. The fact that this is happening, kind of blows the theory by

those defending the last incident, that there was nothing wrong with what happened or that there was no cover-up.

Those whistle blowers are very brave. I hope they are safe as they are probably military personel. It is smart of WikiLeaks to broadcast their fears.

If we had a free press, it would make it so much harder to go after people who report the truth. And if they did not violate laws, there would be no need for any of this.

WikiLeaks is doing the job the press ought to be doing.

Which reminds me, I didn't see any major media coverage of the last video they released in this country. Not sure about the media elsewhere ~

[Swagman]

5. it was big news in Europe, UK, Australia etc..mainstream news

just as it should have been a huge scandal in the USA

[sabrina 1]

6. I didn't see anything at all on the MSM here.

Granted I wasn't watching that much TV, but did see the news and unless I missed it, I don't think it was covered here. Glad to see other countries are covering it. Maybe with enough embarrassment and undermining of the lies and distortions we get all the time, eventually it will have some effect.

[Drops_not_Dope]

38. Barely covered here

I've seen some reporting on this. I think I saw some on the Ed Show. Some on regular programing on MSNBC. This morning on the ABC program This Week, I believe Secretary Clinton was asked briefly about it. No real reports though as Tiger Woods is so much more important.

[ChiciB1]

57. So Many Of Us Long For The Days When "Investigative Reporting"

meant something other than Tiger, Paris, Madonna, Michael and on and on!!

When I first heard about Wikileaks I wondered how long it was going to take BEFORE people HERE in Government & The Crazies were going to go bat-shit nuts!!

I still feel they need to "watch their backs" but in OTHER countries these types of things get covered so much better!! Democracy Now has always been very good and the BBC channel covers REAL NEWS unlike MSM here in America!

It's just so very disgusting that too many people in this country are being led down a path that can only mean more destruction of this country! It has changed so much, and to call it the GREATEST Nation on earth is really a farce!

There was a time when our star shown brightly, but the glow is getting dimmer and dimmer!

JMHO!

[EFerrari]

30. We don't really have mainstream news here except for

traffic and weather reports.

[No Elephants]

73. Massachusetts censored its weather reports after "the Blizzard of "78."

The state was snowed in. Another snowstorm was predicted. Weather forecasters on TV never mentioned it. However, a weather forecaster in Texas did, adding, "Now, don't tell your friends in Massachusetts. They're not supposed to know."

[chrisa]

66. US equivalent of coverage:

"One day, some people who looked like terrorists got shot by a chopper. They had weapons, and they were acting like Taliban fighters. It was just a mistake, but we have to support our troops. This is all a trick by the dirty liberals and the ACLU to make America look bad. Who knows? The video might not even be real, or could have been produced by the Taliban."

Then, cue in the "expert" they bring out that states how it was all just a big misunderstanding, this was an isolated incident, and the people who were killed had weapons. (+ Other bunk to spin the events clearly shown on that video and soften them up).

No showing of the video.

Very little mention of the fact that journalists were killed.

No mention of the father who was killed, and the makeshift ambulance that was attacked.

No mention of how they continued to strafe the wounded who were clearly not a threat.

No audio of how those in the cockpit laughed, and reacted callously to kids being pulled out of the van.

[truedelphi]

7. meanwhile our military makes sure that EVERYBODY understands that

Much of this was provoked.

But people don't care about that. Especially not people in other nations. We are an occupier in Iraq and Afghanistan, and so why should the citizens of those nations not have the right to fight our troops off?

In any case, I wish the best to WikiLeaks and hope for their safety.

[Arrowhead2k1]

8. I'm beginning to realize that the western world is run by criminals and thugs.

Good grief. I guess our constitution isn't worth the paper it is written on afterall.

[slay]

9. +1

Welcome to the real America and her "allies". The extent to which these fuckers will go to maintain their power knows no end.

[HowHasItComeToThis]

26. NO END

[L. Coyote]

14. who started killing American Indians in the 1400s, 60 milion died and yet

you did not learn about "centuries of continuous genocide" in school.

Our Constitution enabled invading Ohio and starting another century of Genocide to create the USA of today.
Remember, the Ohio Company formed before the War, but could not invade Nations with relations to the Crown!!

Back then the criminals and thugs were called "Your Majesty."
They still think they are Royals, a class apart.

[dotymed]

21. "w" wasn't kidding

when he said it was "just a piece of paper." It is at least to those who are supposed to defend our constitution (not all). The constitution is a pain in the ass to our government and law enforcement. They are always finding ways to "get around" it. Just as bad are the teabaggers and neo-cons who call for a "strict interpretation" of the constitution. Then, just like they do with their bibles, they chery pick and "interpret" it (just like the bible is now a rich mans tool, AT is a perfect description) to go along with their agenda.What honest, sane person can interpret the constitution so that corporations have all of the rights of people and none of the responsibilities? The constitution allows corporations unlimited political influence? NO. The (AT) SCOTUS "interprets it differently." I hope that America can come out of these darkest days, but until we actually have a major free press, it is hopeless. Free Speech TV doesn't stand a chance against the propaganda spouted from the corporate (like our govt.) media. I am glad they are there, at least some people have heard the truth. We must have the FAIRNESS DOCTRINE reinstated, in its original form. I find it sickening that all of these other countries citizens, have the balls to demand freedom....not the "land of the free"....

[harun]

23. +1

[fascisthunter]

27. I've Noticed it for Some Time and Fortunately Noticed more People Noticing it

[npk]

46. Yeah who would of thought there would be consequences to leaking a classified US military video

This group is very naive.

[proteus_lives]

54. Typo: the entire world.

Fixed it for you.

[conspirator]

60. Bullshit. There are no such things as conspiracies. Bury your heads back in the sand

and talk about Tiger Woods
:sarcasm:

[James48]

10. In war, there are no winners.

As a military veteran of 21 years, now retired, I can only say this:

In war, there are no winners.

There is only death.

EVERYONE makes mistakes.

When you unleash the dogs of war, the entire world becomes the victim of that decision.

War is the ultimate failure of mankind to be kind to one another.

War is the ultimate failure to love one another.

There is no glory in that.

[hermetic]

11. Bless you, James

That's just the absolute truth.

Thank you for your service.

[bitchkitty]

22. Please don't blame the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq on mankind.

Put the blame squarely where it lies.

Ordinary people, given the choice and knowing the truth, will not go off and kill one another.

[Greyhound]

39. Several of us know about war, and the only "mistake" here was in allowing

that video to get out. There was nothing unusual about this slaughter other than the video, these sociopaths did not follow the RoE and yet are not in custody, nor are those that authorized it. They did exactly what any aggressor military does, this was just witnessed and recorded.

This is everyday, several times a day in our expansion of empire.

They worked very hard at stopping real news from getting out and they did slow it down, but this was inevitable.

[JDPriestly]

42. Thank you.

"In war there are no winners."

[Quantess]

53. Welcome to DU!

:)

[skyounkin]

56. I have often said

"War is the greatest failure of man".

[laylah]

65. Thank you for your

service and your insight! :hug: Welcome.

[unlegendary]

69. Well maybe

Perhaps after the "tea baggers" get that civil war they're so itching for and a few million, maybe 50 million are slaughtered needlessly they'll wake up, but only AFTER.. To bad, huh?
We're the lucky ones being old enough to remember the long talks of our parents about the horrors of WWII, but to many people act as if it were all just scripted for their Time Life video about WWII for ONLY 19.95. The Holocaust .. Just more propaganda.. Well, that's next on their agenda. Soon we'll be hearing how all of it was scripted by Democrats in the 1940s to raise taxes on hard working "tea partiers" or some such drivel.

[Countdown_3_2_1]

12. Solution: Contact Your Congressman: This is Obama's CIA

They can be called off.
The light of truth (and a Congressional news statement) will send the roaches scurrying for darkness.

[WileEcoyote]

28. The CIA is a rogue state

It is beyond Obama's control.

Funded by wealthy banking and oil interests even Leon Panetta is merely a "Director" in name only. He's more a prop who learns to take orders from his controllers.

[jberryhill]

33. The only identified agency are the "police"

Who detained the unidentified WL member for 21 hours, but no further information is given about that detention

if the complaint is that people are looking at them in public places, then what do you suggest anyone "call off"?

[IScreamSundays]

13. Has anyone else besides me entertained the idea that Assange....

Is a spook. Come on now, the guy gets a hold of top secret footage that is encrypted. Then he gives a week or more notice before he uploads it to the internet for the entire world to see. Now he had Afghan footage depicting war crimes. I have read about people publishing articles and books about the BFEE and they are always suicided. Maybe I am paranoid but in this day and age I truly don't believe we have any more Saviours. All the information we receive is tainted and serves one purpose or another. It is either dis info, divisive, propaganda; or in this case, provocative and designed to put you in your place.

Or let's look at it from a different perspective: Armed forces kill what is clearly unarmed men, unless cameras are now considered WMDs. Then they make a mockery of men who attempted to save a dying man by making derogatory comments regarding the children that were in the car. What purpose does this snuff film serve?

First of all it is terrifying: It leaves you feeling angry, sickened, helpless. That was it's intent. At least that is my opinion. It could have been a warning to independent journalists. One thing is for sure in my mind, the COs giving the orders wanted that group of men terminated. And who knows what intelligence led to that decision. Nothing can be taken at face value, this assassination was handled by low level grunts under orders from superiors. We will never ever know the real reason for the massacre.

You are powerless: What can you do about this obscene murderous event.

We have witnessed a War Crime: Really from all the bullshit about how they can't find the actual video bla bla bla bla. And in the next decade when they actually locate the video, there will never be anyone or anything to held account for the atrocity. And it will always be about "rules of engagement" horse shit. Or the WOT explanation du jour.

The internet community had been traumatized. Sort of like virtual PTSD.

So, ask yourself; What was the purpose of going viral with this footage?

What can you do about it, I mean really.

Who else will do anything about it really??

Do you think the Hague is gonna do anything about it?

No, I think the purpose of the whole dog and pony show is to have you realize how futile any of your protestations are. It is a eyes wide open event.
;

[L. Coyote]

15. your fantasy does not match reality

Do some homework first, and consider what they have leaked.

[IScreamSundays]

17. I have done my homework

Assange is a very mysterious character who started out as a teenage hacker in Australia. Lots of holes in his history. I don't know anything for sure. But my guess is his operation is a CIA front. Don't beat me now. It is just my opinion.

[unlegendary]

70. possible..

I'm not sure I trust anyone or anything that comes out of Washington from either side of the political spectrum or from any nations capital for that matter.
The people who call all these shots are filthy rich. You NEVER see a politician having to go to work wearing a pair of 'holy' jeans and a "I survived the bullshit" t-shirt and never see one who ACTUALLY needs a hair cut.
Instead they ALL looked like they just walked out of a fashion magazine and bruises? Yeah right.. Well, Charlie Rose sported a black eye once, but he's not a politician..How about a politician of ANY stripe with dirt under their fingernails? NEVER! Hell, they never so much as have hang nails much less dirt under them.
These people have completely forgotten what actual work is IF they've ever known and love to tell us all to work hard and blah, blah, blah, but when was the last politician who made it there on his paycheck from Walmart?
Now, would they ever cover up their crimes against humanity? Nahhhhhh... They're so fucking honest it reeks of honest from politicians..Right?

[harun]

24. I think you might be a spook.

[IScreamSundays]

29. Boo!

No, I just think too much.

[digidigido]

41. Do you think Daniel Ellsberg was a spook too?

[provis99]

52. Ellsberg was a spook.

As you well know.

[No Elephants]

50. That's the beauty of spooks. No one can ever prove you wrong--or right.

[EFerrari]

25. He doesn't need to be a spook in order for that film to have that effect.

The release of this film is comparable to the release of the Abu Graib photographs -- which made a similar impression on the viewers.

I agree with you that the MIC does stage stuff to manage the perceptions of the public. This may or may not be one of them, though.

[ShortnFiery]

36. No, it doesn't play into the carefully crafted meme that "GOD is on our side."

Can't buy the CIA mole thing - this evidence was never supposed to be outed.

I wish that some CIA would have kept copies and wikilinks would OUT some of the torture tapes? That might HELP to end these horrific occupations once and for all.

http://yorick.infinitejest.org:81/1/img/card-god_almighty.jpg

[EFerrari]

40. There's video somewhere, probably in more than one pair of hands.

Now, the idea that it's all gone probably is CIA.

We need a new Abolition movement, but this time a global one. The other side has globalized, we should, too.

[No Elephants]

45. +1 on globalization. However, I am not sure Democrats are up for that kind of effort.

I am beginning to think that Democrats may be hardwired for analysis, being mavericky (truly) and diverging and while Republicans may be hardwired for physical action, obedience and converging. (If I'm correct, Pelosi must be a champion cat herder, but that's a different thread.)

[EFerrari]

47. I was thinking of people against the killing, not the party.

As Zinn said, politiicans have to compromise but citizens don't. :)

[No Elephants]

49. I wasn't thinking of the Party, either. Democrats are people. I am theorizing

that a person who is drawn to become a Democrat may have certain characteristics in common with other persons who are drawn to become Democrats. And perhaps even that those characteristics may be hard-wired. I am still very tentative on this theory.

I was just trying to figure out why Republicans (again, people, not the Party) seem so prone to form these groups, both national (Tea Party) and international (Bohemian Grove) while people who are Democrats don't seem to have the same proclivity.

[ShortnFiery]

35. No, the people of America still have a moral compass.

When they start turning their shock troops on the average American, all hell's gonna break loose.

I don't think it went down that way.

The next few years are going to be *interesting times.*

For all our degradation, I still have hope and faith in the spirit of the average American. The M$M tells us that we're immoral, but that too is "a big lie."

It's their ARROGANCE that will sink them: The ruling political elites.

Sooner rather than later.

[boppers]

58. Assange isn't a spook. However, the campaign to shut them down is based on discrediting them.

More on him:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_Assange

More on wikileaks:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikileaks

They're products of network-effect journalism and information, where there is no central point of control, no single editor (or group) that can be taken out. They aren't beholden to any state, religion, organization, or corporation, which makes them a potential threat to *every* state, religion, organization, and corporation.

Same with wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_12,_2007_Baghdad_airstrike

It's impossible to "control" entities like this, which pisses off a great many people.

[Joanne98]

16. God Bless the Whistleblowers.

[WillyT]

18. + 1,000,000,000... What You Said...

:kick

:hi:

[Shining Jack]

19. K&R

Interesting article.

[mehdi kiril]

20. Witnesses sometimes died suspiciously prior to testifying regarding t he kennedy assassination

Giancana, DeMohrenshildt (spelling), David Ferrie, etc.

[Aaria]

31. Want to learn about the CIA Google: conversations with the crow part 1.......

There are over 100 of them and they paint a shitty picture of the great American way.

[jberryhill]

32. "covert following and hidden photography"

...yet they can see this "covert following and hidden photography"?

Hint: stay out of tourist areas

I guess now they know how the folks at Enom felt when wikileaks published a wealth of personal details about them after a dispute over management of their domain name. Wikileaks encouraged harassment of members of a band that one of the employeeswas involved in, among other things.

What comes around goes around, guys.

[ShortnFiery]

34. Yet, in a way, delightfully unnerving?

The ruling class is now IN FEAR that the "tubes" of the Internet are having the effect of negating their propaganda.

Too bizarre? = Even though CNN blacked out the action they also clearly state that the helicopter gunship KILLED a wounded, unarmed Reuter's Journalist who was trying to low crawl to safety.

Even the "pretty" and "super-intelligent" Brigadier General who immediately followed up with a lame, "It's and unfortunate mistake of war" was seen as PETTY and CONDESCENDING in the face of all that audio and video EVIDENCE. :thumbsup:

May The Higher Power BLESS THESE WHISTLE-BLOWERS and help keep them safe! :patriot:

p.s. Let's all smile for the camera?

http://yorick.infinitejest.org:81/1/img/card-panopticon_state.jpg

[orbitalman]

37. What would they expect???

Just keep documenting everything and it will speak volumes of their actions.

[npk]

44. What the fuck did they think was going to happen

They released a classified video. Did they just think the US government was going to keep letting them release other classified documents and media. This group sounds a little naive if they believed they were going to be able to operate in full anonymity. It may be of great importance what they released, but that doesn't mean there wont be consequences.

[madrchsod]

48. the "granai massacre" was covered after it happened.....

http://www.vqronline.org/articles/2010/spring/motlagh-bala-baluk/

http://www.zcommunications.org/granai-massacre-interview-with-guy-smallman-by-ian-sinclair


has the us military and other bad actors killed guy smallman? is he still alive and hiding?


oh wait- guy smallman is a cia/military operative....

after reading his article i wonder who was filming during the airstrike....


edit...jason motlagh also reported.

i wonder if VGR is a cia front......

i maybe in trouble by exposing these two on the internet....please send money to my defense found.

of course i maybe wrong or a cia agent.......

[tinrobot]

51. Followed by two agents? If it's that obvious, take pictures of them.

If you know you're being followed by two agents, take a picture of them with your cellphone and upload the images to Wikileaks.

Spies hate it when they're thrown into a spotlight like that.

[jberryhill]

71. That would be a little too logical

I want to know how he knows he's being followed by CIA. Did they have badges?

[Raster]

55. A few words of advice to Wikileaks, whistle blowers and other threats to the Machine:

1. Conduct yourself as if every aspect of your life is being monitored: telephone conversations, Internet usage, personal associations and your financial situation, including EVERY financial transaction. Adopt the mindset of the perpetually paranoid, because, quite frankly, you have a right to be paranoid.
   
2. Understand that there are factions of the US Government that are now even more powerful than the US Government. Cases in point: the Pentagon, the NSA and the CIA. From their perspective, their needs, their concerns and their existence is even more paramount than that of the Republic. And their number one concern is that their legitimacy and authority can never be questioned by the populace. Example: Even if Jesus Christ came forward tomorrow to reveal damaging, but perfectly true and accurate information about the Military/Intelligence/Industrial Complex (MIIC), Christ would become a walking target, whose life expectancy just took a dramatic turn for the worse, no matter his family connections.
   
3. Understand that even if we elected a peace advocate like Dennis Kucinich to the Presidency in 2012, he would be forced to immediately adopt a more pro-military, pro-Defense, pro-WAR public position. While Kucinich's vision of a "Department of Peace" has obvious merit, the MIIC would never allow it to be more than an empty promise.
   
4. Understand that while we technically elect our representatives to govern the United States in our names, once they become part of the system, they cease to be our representatives and advocates and answer to higher power than that of the citizens of the United States. And understand that these "higher powers" have made it very clear to elected members of government that they have a new master and they will need to toe the line. That new master demonstrates it's control and authority like a old deranged Mafia Don. Murder and assassination are outstanding visual aids and object lessons. Cases in point: John F. Kennedy, Robert Kennedy, Martin Luther King, Jr., and Senator Paul Wellstone.
   
5. Understand that "...a government of the people, for the people and by the people" is largely myth and meme. Lincoln would be appalled at the extent of corporate control of government.
   
6. Understand that to the MIIC, the ends justify any and all means. Cases in point: the events of 9/11, the invasion and occupation of Iraq.
   
7. Understand that fascism is alive and thriving in the United States, with active participation by the highest legal authority in the land. Cases in point: The SCOTUS' complicity in the Bush*/Cheney* coup of 2000, and the continued legitimization and strengthening of the corporate person-hood doctrine. It appears all those years of stacking the SCOTUS have paid off.
   
8. Understand the government of the United States can no longer be counted on to act in the best interests of the citizens of the United States. Case in point: the health care debacle. We could put every person in this country on an expanded version of Medicare TOMORROW and begin to reap huge financial savings. The catch: we would IMMEDIATELY need to cut the "for profit" paradigm out of the equation. No more multi-million dollar salaries for insurance and big pharma executives. We would move to a national single-payor and not-for-profit system, with the absolute power to negotiate for best prices for all drugs and services. Don't listen to the rhetoric saying we can't pay for health care for all. We already do, but a majority of those funds are skimmed off to fatten private wallets, at the expense of millions of Americans lacking basic health care.
   
9. Understand the government of the United States can no longer be counted on to protect the best interests of the United States. Case in point: the current national financial crisis. The crimes of Wall Street bankers and financiers are legion and have placed this country in this most precarious financial position. These crimes could have never taken place without US government collaboration. The recovery on Wall Street might be apparent on Wall Street, but Joe and Jane America are having their home foreclosed. Main Street is suffering, but Wall Street just got billion dollar bonuses. When Wall Street said they needed billions in "rescue funds," what they really meant to say was that they needed someone to step in and cover their bad bets.
   
10. And finally, understand that when you are dealing with money and power on an international scale, there is no such thing as coincidence. Actions and events are put into play for calculated results. And never forget that those entities that wield money and power on an international scale will do ANYTHING to protect their power and privilege. Anything.

[conspirator]

59. You forgot: Stay away from small planes nt

[Raster]

61. While I did not specifically name small planes, they come under point 4.

I guarantee there were persons in Congress that considered Wellstone's unfortunate "accident" a warning and veiled threat: not complying with the program has consequences.

[BeFree]

67. Yeah

And just imagine what it feels like to get some anthrax in your mail and the sender never caught?

[Rex]

72. If anyone thinks these point silly, just go and research Total Information Awareness.

Know that there were very rich/powerful people secretly setting up a new type of stock markert to bet on war, death and mayham. Now I ask you, what kind of person does THAT sort of thing? Someone who cares about life?

[New Dawn]

62. USA's "free and open" society does not actually like dissent.

[patrice]

64. Yep. Try standing with a sign on a street corner one of Sean Hannity's pep rallies.

Amazing the things ordinary Americans will say to someone they have no personal knowledge of.

[bertman]

68. Rec. No surprises here. The US corporate media will kill it by ignoring it. Next, please.