Party guest says Roethlisberger was drunk, groped her

[Yeahyeah]

Source: ATLANTA JOURNAL-CONSTITUTION

Party guest says Roethlisberger was drunk, groped her
Allegation surfaces during investigation


ATLANTA JOURNAL-CONSTITUTION

ATLANTA - The state of Georgia's monthlong investigation into a rape accusation leveled against Ben Roethlisberger uncovered an allegation by a second woman that the Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback forced himself upon her.

The incident allegedly occurred during a party at Roethlisberger's house in central Georgia.

A young woman not interviewed by authorities claims the quarterback pulled his pants down and told her she could "do whatever she wants," according to the Georgia Bureau of Investigation report.

A week later, the woman attended another party thrown by Roethlisberger. She claims the 28-year-old quarterback was drunk and forced his hand up her skirt>

Read more: http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100418/NEWS14/4180361

[NJmaverick]

1. She attended a SECOND party?!?!

:wow:

[davepc]

8. Blame the victim much?

She has a right to go to the house of a man who sexually assaulted her a second time with the expectation she wont get sexually assaulted by the same man again.

[NJmaverick]

9. A dog bites me once shame on the dog. That dog bites me twice shame on me

or you can go with the definition of insanity which is repeating the same action but expecting different results.

[LanternWaste]

25. Guess that means practice is insane...

"which is repeating the same action but expecting different results."


Guess that means practice is insane...

[joeglow3]

39. Really????

If your daughter was raped by her boyfriend, you would tell her to go out with him again and hope for different results?

[LanternWaste]

50. Maybe I should type slower to allow better comprehension...

Maybe I should type slower to allow better comprehension...

If the word 'insanity', has as its definition, "doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results...", then it shares that same definition with the word 'practice'.

More clear?


More often than not, I attempt to stay polite on the boards, but sometimes the absurdity of a most stupid question-- like yours compels me to avoid that civility. And yes-- if you infer that equating the definitions of two words is the same as agreeing to watch my daughter getting raped, then you are by all measure either absurd or simply dull witted... at least in this instance.

[petronius]

73. That's funny in a hyper-literal sort of way,

but isn't it the point of practice to not do things in exactly the same way over and over? Rather, you attempt to continuously change your behavior, recognizing and correcting weaknesses and deficiencies...

[joeglow3]

21. Sure, she has the right

However, she is still stupid. What he did was by no means right, but WTF happened to common sense.

[Missy Vixen]

30. And it's all her fault

When the entire female population realizes that rape and sexual attack is always, no matter what, consistently All Our Fault, things will get a lot better, won't they?

:sarcasm:

[joeglow3]

38. Don't play the victim card

NO ONE said it is her fault. However, you should ALWAYS be cautious with what you do because the simple fact is that some situations are higher risk than others. Colleges tell women to go to parties in groups. This is NOT because they are saying women alone deserved to be raped. This is because it greatly reduces the chances of it happening.

[Missy Vixen]

44. Oh, I see. The victims should just sit down and shut up.

"Victim card"? Yeah. I know lots of rape victims that can't wait to pull "the victim card".

Do you know that only 40% of rape victims actually press charges? Fourteen of fifteen men prosecuted for rape/sexual assault walk free with NO penalties.

>However, you should ALWAYS be cautious with what you do because the simple fact is that some situations are higher risk than others.<

Really? Women in groups reduce the chances of rape? Perhaps you should have done some reading in GD over the weekend. Here's an example.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=8170543

In other words, any woman that goes to a party, any woman who dares to have a beer or two, any woman with two breasts and a vagina is just asking to be raped.

You don't get it. Ben Roethlisberger is a predator, just like many other men who believe that since they can escape prosecution, all women are open season. Women are raped on dates, in their dorm rooms, outside a frat house at the University of Washington. It's a crime that will continue until the stigma and blame heaped on ANY woman who is attacked is removed by society.

[joeglow3]

45. Jesus, are you hard of reading?

I am saying there is a risk analysis that can be done in regards to ANYTHING. There are not a lot of rapes that happen when 20 women go to church together on a Sunday. However, when you go, alone, to the house of someone who has previously raped you, the odds are a LOT FRICKING HIGHER (like, damn near 100%). Again, I am not saying it is her fault or she deserved it. I am saying you can somewhat control situations you are in.

For instance, my wife and I may take a trip to Chicago this summer. There is a reason we never looked at North Korea. That does not mean it would be right for us to be jailed if we were caught in North Korea. It just means we know the risks and plan accordingly.

And, just in case you missed it: THE WOMAN DID NOT DESERVE TO GET RAPED AND IN NOW WAY IS BEN IN THE RIGHT.

Oh, and risk does NOT mean you are working in black and white, 100% certainties. Yes, their are anecdotal exceptions that do NOTHING to change the risk percentages.

[Missy Vixen]

55. I comprehend what I read just fine, thanks

>There are not a lot of rapes that happen when 20 women go to church together on a Sunday.<

Oh, I see. Church is the only acceptable destination for a woman. After all, nobody's ever been raped in a church, have they? (I might refer you to Church, Catholic.)

There is NO "controlling the situation" for any woman. If you did a bit of reading at RAINN's website, for instance, you would know that rapes happen at all times of day, under all circumstances, no matter how "careful" any woman is. http://www.rainn.org/statistics IIRC, the woman at Roethlisberger's house was there with another woman, and he still attempted to have sex with her after being told it wasn't going to happen.

Just in case you missed it: No still means no. Until the shame and stigma of a sexual attack are not used to bludgeon the victim, rapists will not be brought to justice.

[joeglow3]

74. Let me try this ONE more time

"Oh, I see. Church is the only acceptable destination for a woman."

-Really??? PLEASE tell me you are f-ing kidding me with that TERRIBLE conclusion. Fine, change church with park, carnival, amusement park, restaurant, sporting event, ANYTHING. Is that better, or can you find something there to be offended with?

"After all, nobody's ever been raped in a church, have they? (I might refer you to Church, Catholic.)'

-Annnnnd, you completely manage to miss the part where I readily admit there are no black and white/ 100% situations. You completely gloss over the part where I said it is about odds and statistics. Again, SEARCHING for something to complain about.

"There is NO "controlling the situation" for any woman."

-But, there IS influencing it. I really hope you don't have daughters. If you do, I hope you let them know some situations are more risky than others. I hope you let her know taking roofies for recreational use, while sitting alone in a bar getting plowed, PROBABLY increases your chances of getting raped over sitting in a house with a few girlfriends. Although I am sure you will manage to read this as me saying women should be confined to homes, I am not.

"If you did a bit of reading at RAINN's website, for instance, you would know that rapes happen at all times of day, under all circumstances, no matter how "careful" any woman is."

I agree with mere occurance. If you think the frequency is the same in every situation, then you are beyond common sense or reason.

"http://www.rainn.org/statistics IIRC, the woman at Roethlisberger's house was there with another woman, and he still attempted to have sex with her after being told it wasn't going to happen."

-Ummm, the deciding risk factor should have been that the POS tried to rape you once before. Fuck, rights or anything else. If I know someone wants to kill me, I am not going to hang out at their house because "damnit, I have a right to be over there and not fear getting killed." Sure, it would not be my fault if he did, as murder is wrong, but it would STILL have been stupid of me to go over there, given the circumstances.

"Just in case you missed it: No still means no."

-Agreed. I don't see where I have said the opposite. In fact, I have frigging bent over backwards to make sure you know I agree with that. Sadly, all you see is what you want to see.

"Until the shame and stigma of a sexual attack are not used to bludgeon the victim, rapists will not be brought to justice."

-Agreed as well. All I am saying is educate your daughters. Sure, let them know it is flat out wrong in any and all situations and, in a perfect world, there would be no worry. Sadly, we live amongst a bunch of POS animals and always be aware of your surroundings.

[leftynyc]

101. You're right - he is a predator

which she already knew and still went back. Stupid woman. Tying this into "women can't drink or go to a party" is totally non-sensical.

[dr.strangelove]

97. No, but the entire population should act responsibly

Crime sucks, but trying to avoid it is not a bad thing, even though everyone would agree that you should not have to avoid it.

I have the right to jog along the waterfront at 2:00 am. The park does not close ever, so its public land open to my use. But we've had a series of muggings and attacks there in the past couple of months, so I choose not to do it. I think I am making a responsible choice. I should not have to make this choice, but the fact remains that I know its a dangerous area, so I choose to avoid it.

If a person is the victim of a sexual assault by another person, I would recommend they never choose to be alone with that person again. Its just the smart thing to do. That such crime exists is disgusting, but encouraging people to avoid sexual predators is not enabling "victim blame," its just a smart path to follow. Sexual predators are the lowest form of life. Lets focus on the issue, these people are pure evil. They think women are like ice cream that you can just have whenever the mood strikes you. Once you know who one of them is, lets openly encourage the sharing of that information and lets use that information by shunning these creatures. If I saw this football player coming near me or any of my friends, I'd leave and tell all my friends to do the same. Thats not suggesting rape or sexual assault is our fault, its suggesting that we humans should avoid such evil at all costs.

[leftynyc]

100. Victim card not working here

As a woman, I need to show some responsibility. Going back to the house of the person who sexually harassed/attacked me (for a freeking party!) would be the height of stupidity. That doesn't translate into her deserving what she got.

[curiousdemo]

10. Sound like Ben a rapist....

that's getting away with it. Hmmmmm......Just my thought.

[okieinpain]

15. no kidding what the hell is wrong with her. n/t.

[geckosfeet]

2. Imagine that. A drunk man grabbing at women.

[bemildred]

3. I know I'm stunned, and at a party too. nt

[Dreamer Tatum]

17. Imagine that. A drunk woman teasing him.

There, how's that broad brush feel?

[lark]

34. sexist much??

[joeglow3]

40. I think that was his point.

[Dreamer Tatum]

43. ding ding nt

[LanternWaste]

28. if one has those kinds of friends...

I imagine that it may actually happen all the time... if one has those kinds of friends.

As for me and my acquaintances, it doesn't happen when we're sober, it doesn't happen when we're not. Imagine that... :shrug:

[Angry Dragon]

4. Money

gives one the right to do whatever they want :sarcasm:

[Uben]

5. A quarterback sticking his hands between someone's legs?

Hmmmm? MAybe he got addicted playing football!

[slackmaster]

6. It's been obvious that Roethlisberger is a world-class idiot since his motorcycle wreck

In other news, water is wet.

[awoke_in_2003]

77. yep...

I wonder if we can get Byron Leftwich back, because Ben really needs to go somewhere else

[dorkulon]

7. This guy really needs to quit drinking. nt

[tom_paine]

11. Roethlisberger is a valued corporate commodity

He makes a lot of money for a lot of people, plus he's WHITE.

Verdict: Not guilty, no trial required.

[Dreamer Tatum]

18. Stay tuned. His punishment is coming. nt

[Socal31]

22. Yes, because he is white.

Not because the victim decided not to press charges and it wouldn't hold up in a court of law.

[Dulcinea]

12. This just keeps getting more & more sordid.

I'm a lifelong Steelers fan, but I'm disgusted with Ben. It may be that he didn't rape anyone, but he's definitely guilty of being a drunken pig.

[lark]

35. He's a rapist and an abuser

the fact that he gets the women so drunk they can't defend themselves or criminally indict him, over and over, just means he plans his rapes well. He would be in jail if there was any fairness in the world. The Georgia woman came out of the bathroom obviously bruised up and went immediately to the hospital. The only reason he wasn't prosecuted is he fed her so many shots she couldn't provide details as to how he beat her up and raped her. The more details you know, the worse this pig rapist looks.

[awoke_in_2003]

78. After Bradshaw left...

I put up with 20 years of sucky quartbacking (a special "fuck you" to Neil O'Donnell). Now we have what looks to be a rapist (yes, I know he hasn't been convicted yet- but a big assed pattern is building). He needs to go.

[Odin2005]

13. Throw that rapist fucker lin jail for life and throw away the key.

[ngant17]

14. Ben's a serial rapist in my book

anyone else would have already been a lifer in max security prison.

My guess is that he will get hit hard, and put early on the injury list ASAP when the football season begins. The sooner the better.

[Mike Daniels]

16. Time for the Steelers to be on the market for a QB

Any doubt that Rooney is different from any other football owner (despite his support for Obama) should be over given the difference in treatment Ben got vs. Santonio.

Yeah, Santonio had some issues as well but I can't see how Ben's shit is much different.

[Dreamer Tatum]

23. Ben will not be a Steeler much longer, I wager. nt

[Missy Vixen]

31. Sure, he will

The Steelers and Goodell are banking on this all blowing over during tomorrow's NFL schedule release and the draft. After all, they can't really sit Ben down or cut his ass. There's billions on the line here. If they were actually going to subject him to some type of punishment, it would have happened long before now.

I'd love to ask Goodell to his face if he'd allow his wife, daughter, niece or any female relative to spend any time at all with Roethlisberger.

:eyes:

[Dreamer Tatum]

33. Goodell hasn't meted out punishment yet, and the Steelers don't put up with this crap

Roethlisberger will be a Chief or a Raider pretty soon.

[Missy Vixen]

37. Steelers "don't put up with it" unless it's a starter or Pro Bowler

I've been interestedly keeping up with a couple of sportswriters on Twitter stating that the African-American guy got traded, while Big Ben still hasn't been "punished".

The Steelers have suffered a huge PR black eye as a result of this; swift and decisive action was called for, they failed, and now they're reaping the fallout. It's not going away for awhile.

[Dreamer Tatum]

41. Swift? The situation is still fluid. This is also a league issue.

But your agenda is race-based, so good luck.

[Missy Vixen]

46. Evidently, you haven't been keeping up

The two sportswriters in question work for CBS Sports and Sports Illustrated, and are African-American. Anyone with eyes can pretty much figure out that those who the Steelers have landed on for off-field offenses have been non-Caucasian.

>But your agenda is race-based, so good luck.<

How do you explain the immediate trading of an African-American, while the Caucasian (whose offenses have been much more damaging to the Steelers brand and public relations,) has suffered nothing? BTW, the insistence that it's "league" punishment? The Steelers are passing the buck.

[Dreamer Tatum]

48. Because Roethislberger is a more valuable player

and even if he is to be traded (which I believe he will be), it takes longer to put a deal together.

[Missy Vixen]

52. Nobody's taking him right now

Two different sexual assault incidents within 18 months, another incident that a woman in Boston sought legal advice over, and the fact it would be a PR nightmare for whatever team picked him up (except for the Raiders)?

Nope. If there's a trade, I'll be shocked.

[Dreamer Tatum]

54. So you're cynical about all these white folks taking care of each other

...but somehow you think Ben is damaged goods and none of the other rich white folks will have anything to do with him.

Ummmmmmmm, riiiiiight.


Maybe you should acquaint yourself with the misdeeds of other prominent NFL players, none of whom are quarterbacks, and
none of whom are in the primes of their careers with two SB rings.

There are maybe 5-6 NFL teams that would have no interest in Big Ben, because they already have Pro Bowl quarterbacks. The
rest would definitely, absolutely take that phone call.

[Missy Vixen]

59. My opinions come from my own observations and NFL analysts

Ask the Eagles how much fun they had when they picked up Vick.

There are 44 million females between 25-49 that identify as "avid" NFL fans. Goodell is attempting to increase female viewership. It's money in his pocket. At the same time, he's all about the profit. Other teams are all about not fielding phone calls on a daily basis re: what Big Ben's up to now in their town, or hiring a babysitter to make sure there are no more "incidents".

Roethlisberger will never be able to get away from the "Rapistberger" signs and worse as long as he wears a Steeler uniform, and there isn't another team in the league that wants to take that kind of baggage on, either. People were pretty PO'd about Vick and the dogfighting. It takes on a whole new level over preying on young women.

[RamboLiberal]

63. You're wrong on that

Several teams will take him. Of course they'd probably make him sign a heavy duty morals contract to insure their investment in him. And there are fans in other cities who would giggle at the steal they got if Steelers didn't get good value for him.

[Missy Vixen]

67. "Heavy duty morals contract"?

I seem to remember after the motorcycle incident, it was disclosed Roethlisberger didn't have any kind of contract stipulation preventing him from risky activity.

Why do you think any kind of contract language will stop him now? A predator is a predator. He's going to do it again. Any team with half a brain in the FO will pass on the ticking time bomb.

[RamboLiberal]

87. I'm saying next team will make him sign some kind of contract

that he pledges to keep his butt out of trouble. The Steelers just traded for veteran QB Byron Leftwich who played one season here. I think that may be a good sign either Ben is going to get a LONG suspension and/or the Steelers are shopping him around.

[RamboLiberal]

65. Steelers have internally discussed trading Roethlisberger

The Pittsburgh Steelers haven't talked with other teams about dealing embattled quarterback Ben Roethlisberger, but they've had significant internal discussions about the matter, a source with knowledge of the situation said Thursday.

According to the source, Steelers ownership remains dismayed and embarrassed by Roethlisberger's actions in a Georgia college town this offseason and finds his string of off-the-field incidents troubling. The team has been closely monitoring the public backlash against Roethlisberger.

"The Rooneys are livid," the source said.

-----

Teams that aren't committed long-term to a starting quarterback include the Rams, Buffalo Bills, Cleveland Browns, Oakland Raiders, San Francisco 49ers, Denver Broncos, Carolina Panthers, Seattle Seahawks and Arizona Cardinals.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d8178b2b1&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

I bet one of these teams would take a chance on one of the better QB's in the league even with the baggage.

[Missy Vixen]

69. If the Seahawks picked him up, I predict swift and immediate fallout

Ben isn't welcome in Seattle. Period.

:eyes:

[awoke_in_2003]

80. Bull

it is sports- you dislike some people unless they are on your team. Take Derian Hatcher (NHL). Most of the league hated him, but I can tell you Stars fans loved him (until he was traded to Detroit)

[Missy Vixen]

89. You're joking, aren't you?

The Seahawks (up till we signed Carroll,) were hard-core "character" hunters. Ken Hamlin was traded the second he was released from the hospital after his little "incident". Rocky Bernard got his ass traded due in part to a domestic violence incident last season. We've passed on multiple draft picks and trades due to character issues.

Seattle would NEVER accept an "alleged" rapist as our QB. It will NOT happen. Matt Hasselbeck (current QB,) may be a RW tool, but he is the clean-cut (hell, bald) family-friendly face of the franchise. I don't care for him, but he has been solid gold for the Seahawks organization. They're not bringing in anyone that's going to create controversy here.

[awoke_in_2003]

106. I will take your word on being a "good character" team...

I thought maybe the inability to keep players was an organizational thing. We don't get much Seattle news (or Pittsburgh, for that matter) down here.

[RamboLiberal]

61. Sports guys in the know say that Bills, Browns and several

other teams would take him in a heart beat. Many of these owners could give a shit less if he could bring them a playoff and better yet a Super Bowl trophy.

[Missy Vixen]

68. Browns won't take him

Holmgren won't put up with it. He also has four daughters.

If the Steeler faithful are calling for Big Ben to be benched or traded, there's no other fan base in the NFL that will be happy to have him around.

[RamboLiberal]

49. The Steelers have said there will be punishment

They are coordinating this with the league on the punishment. BTW the NFL players also have a strong union. Rumor is if the suspension is beyond 4 games Roethlisberger will appeal it which is his right.

It's a lot easier to get rid of a WR than it is a QB. As good as Holmes is he catches probably only a few passes a game. The QB is the center of the action and not easily replaced.

As big a jerk as Ben is he's also a talented franchise QB with two Super Bowl wins and seasons to his record.

The Steelers haven't had this caliber of QB since Bradshaw.

Now you'd be surprised to find out most of Pittsburgh and Steeler fans at this moment want him gone. Including this long time fan. Fans have turned against him big time at this point. Can't predict it would stay that way if Steelers keep him and if he wins.

There's a feeling here the NFL is cooperating with the Steelers to give them the best opportunity to get a good deal for Ben if they trade him. And rumors here are he may well be traded.

Hell most teams would've hung on to Holmes. Look how much leeway TO gets. And Michael Vick and before that Ray Lewis. The Jets are giddy they got Holmes. For awhile till they cleaned up their act the Bengals were almost a team of felons.

I don't buy with the Rooneys and the Steelers that race has anything to do with this.

And there are teams out there who will take Roethlisberger and all his baggage.

I'm also disgusted by the behaviour of the 2 PA cops with him who acted as bodyguards and enablers to the crime for Ben though they deny they were acting in that capacity. I hope they get fired from their police agencies. Hell one is a PA State Trooper.

Be interesting to see if Steelers value their reputation more than their business dollars.

Personally I hope he's banished for a year, traded and then falls flat on his big ass with some suckass team!

[Missy Vixen]

51. I am so sorry for Steelers fans right now

We're currently having our own fun with a linebacker who assaulted his live-in girlfriend the same week he started his probation for a marijuana arrest last year. I anticipate he'll be traded, and he's staring down the barrel of a long suspension. If not, I'm ringing the Seahawks FO's phone lines off the hook. I hate that stuff.

I can't imagine how angry I would be right now to be a Steelers fan and watch this happen. The stuff I've been reading over the past week or so states that the Steelers FO thought this would all blow over, they ignored it, and it blew up on them in a big way. BTW, Pro Football Talk claimed over the weekend that the PA state trooper is now under investigation as well. His lawyer came out over the weekend with some fairly inflammatory comments as well. This is ugly, and getting uglier.

>Be interesting to see if Steelers value their reputation more than their business dollars.<

I'm with you. Of course, IMHO, but if I were their front office, I would demand Roethlisberger submit to psychiatric examination at the very least. I'm sure there will be people here that will disagree, but something's wrong.

>Personally I hope he's banished for a year, traded and then falls flat on his big ass with some suckass team!<

I want whatever solution ensures he will either get some treatment, or he's out of the NFL.

IMHO. I hope the organization can pick up a vet QB to play behind Mr. Dixon, or show him the ropes.

[RamboLiberal]

62. The rumor is he may have an alchohol problem

I'm betting part of the punishment may be rehab and drug testing. That's what got Holmes - he flunked the drug test, then was Tweeting a fan to drop dead and Tweeting drug slang.

If the Steelers do keep him this is his last chance. He's going to have to be a choir boy.

BTW, he has a horrible rep in Pittsburgh for being a mean and cheap ass jerk. At times he can be good with fans but many other times in day-to-day meetings he's cheap and mean.

I read all the pdf reports from the GBI on this latest incident over the weekend. 2 other women told him basically to F* off and the female bartender called him mean.

He has no class. Hell he turned up last Monday when he skated on the charges looking like an unwashed character from Sons of Anarchy. Next day of course he got a buzz cut, shaved and turned up in a suit to meet the Commisioner.

[awoke_in_2003]

81. "Steeler fans at this moment want him gone"

add me to that list. The Steelers organization has a good reputation for dealing with trash- they need to keep it. I lived through Cliff Stoudt, Mark Malone, Bubby Brister, Neil O'Donnell, Mike Tomczak, and Kordell Stewart- I can take pain.

[Bill McBlueState]

75. the Rooney Rule is good evidence that the Steelers aren't racist

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rooney_Rule:

The Rooney Rule, established in 2003, requires National Football League teams to interview minority candidates for head coaching and senior football operations opportunities. The rule is named for Dan Rooney, the owner of the Pittsburgh Steelers and the chairman of the league's diversity committee, and indirectly the Rooney family in general, due to the Steelers' long history of giving African Americans opportunities to serve in team leadership roles. It is often cited as an example of affirmative action.

I don't know why Holmes and Roethlisberger are being treated differently, but the team's history makes it hard to say that racism is the reason.

[Kievan Rus]

72. The guy who got traded was Santonio Holmes; the Super Bowl XLIII MVP

I don't see it beyond the Rooneys trading or cutting Roethlisberger. His kind of behavior is a major black eye to the Steelers brand, and the Rooneys have probably already thought about it.

[RamboLiberal]

64. Tomlin addresses team about off-field conduct

Coach Mike Tomlin spoke to his players Monday morning before their first spring practice that included quarterback Ben Roethlisberger, and a few said it became plain to them that the Steelers would have "zero tolerance" toward any more off-field shenanigans.

"We were told early this morning, either you get in line or you get kicked out of line, either you'll be traded or you're not going to be here," tackle Willie Colon said as he walked off the practice field at the Steelers' training facility. "If your conduct is going to play a part of you not being a good football player or any part of this NFL, they're going to get rid of you. So my job is to be a football player and conduct myself respectfully off the field."

Tomlin denied saying those exact words to his players and Colon would not say who spoke those words.

"It was said," Colon remarked.

"It doesn't need to be said, you just watch the actions that's going around us. There is zero tolerance for anything."



Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10109/1051717-66.stm#ixzz0laovms5p

[lark]

36. You fit your namesake - you are dreaming

Until he messes up and has a witness who isn't unconscious or nearly so, nothing of any consequence will happen and he will learn nothing.

[Dreamer Tatum]

42. I think you will be surprised

The Steelers don't put up with this sort of crap.

But whatever.

[awoke_in_2003]

79. I hate to agree with you...

but you are right. Look how fast they got rid of Bam (trunk full of pot) Morris.

[RamboLiberal]

85. He's taken some brain shots in football - but he took a helluva

head shot when he went face first into a car he collided with while the doofus wasn't wearing a helmet while riding a motorcycle. He broke several bones in his face and teeth. Had to undergo seven hours of surgery.

[awoke_in_2003]

91. he is a star athlete

just like the guy who raped my sister. She had a few drinks, and he was the star. It was all her fault, though :sarcasm: I have no pity for that SOB

on edit: not trying to preach at you, just pissed at this shit

[RamboLiberal]

94. No offense - if you read my posts you see I want this jerk gone

from the Steelers. I was just explaining the brain injuries this guy has had - can't help since I don't think he was the brightest bulb to start with.

Sorry about what happened to your sister. Too many of these frat boys & star athletes think they have privaleges with women.

Hell 2 women that night told him to basically F*ck off. One got in his face a bit when he said "All my bitches have a shot". One complained to one of the cop bodyguard enablers he needed to teach his friend to talk to women. And the female bartender that night called him mean.

In Pittsburgh he's got a bad reputation in the social scene. This town for the most part has had its fill of him.

[awoke_in_2003]

105. head injury could be a possibility...

he does seem to have been different since. No defense, of course. If he wasn't an ass he could be king of Pittsburgh- only 6 other QB's in NFL history have more than 1 Super Bowl ring, and the other one was a Steeler.

[hedgehog]

19. I'm not one for excusing athletes who feel entitled, but does anyone

else remember the articles about the hidden brain damage football players receive from repeated concussion? I'm wondering if he is displaying a lack of impulse control as a result of brain damage. My understanding is that this damage can't be seen on X-Rays or other scans, but is clearly visible on autopsy. Perhaps there are functional tests that could identify short term memory loss or something similar as a marker.

[Dreamer Tatum]

24. His lack of impulse control stems from the pressure his wallet puts on his butt

not the pressure his skull has put on his brain.

He's rich, young, and until recently was told he's the greatest thing since sliced bread.

[hedgehog]

47. That is more than likely the case, but I think the possibility of brain damage

needs to be considered.

[Kievan Rus]

20. Commissioner Goodell needs to kick Ben out of the NFL

[Missy Vixen]

32. He won't do it

He's already shown that profit is much more important to him than his precious Player Conduct Policy.

:eyes:

[Dreamer Tatum]

56. No, he hasn't. He's just not moving fast enough for you.

Sorry.

[Missy Vixen]

57. He's not moving at all

The Steelers' ownership and FO, and Goodell, are playing "good cop, bad cop".

It's burned them worse than they can ever recover from.

[Dreamer Tatum]

58. Says who?

Somehow I suspect they'll fill the stands as always come football season.

[Missy Vixen]

60. If Steelers fans are angry enough to call the FO and demand

action, it's going to translate into $$ lost.

I listened to a national ESPN radio personality describe his overnight shift last night and the comments about Roethlisberger and his issues. It's not going away. With the article released over the weekend and the continued refusal to act, it's getting worse.

[LanternWaste]

26. I'm guessing there's a few Steeler fans around here...

Reading the minimization of his actions by willfully prioritizing what may have been a poor choice on her part, I'm guessing there's a few Steeler/NFL fans around here...





"What in the world were the Poles doing using cavalry...? They were just asking for it!" Neville Chamberlain

[Mike Daniels]

27. This Steelers fan isn't giving Ben a pass.

I had reasonable doubts about the first charge just because of the delay in reporting the charge and the woman's story didn't really add up about how she came to be in Ben's room. Cocktail/lounge hostesses as a rule don't go to investigate malfunctioning room amenities. If nothing else, while Ben may have called her I would think the request would have been handed off for maintenance to check into.

Now, while I'm still not sure about the first instance the fact that there are continued instances is more troubling. Anyway, despite 2 Super Bowl wins Ben's erratic enough on the field that I don't think the Steelers or fans will make an effort to hold onto him if this behavior pattern continues.

[Kievan Rus]

71. I'm a Steelers fan, and....

not only do I not want to see him play another down for the Steelers, I don't want to see him play another down in the NFL, period. I'm hoping Commish Goodell bans him from the NFL for life.

[Blue_Tires]

29. a very distinct pattern of behavior is starting to surface...

[LanternWaste]

53. If he takes a play from Vick's book...

If he's smart and takes a play from Vick's book, all he needs to do is makes a faux-apology and he'll not only stay with the team, but get a Hero Award, too...

[NashVegas]

66. The Saddest Truth Is There're a Lot of Messed Up Women Convinced a Rich, Alpha Male Is Their Ticket

And they will ride it as far as they can, creating all manner of messes. Thankfully it doesn't always have such dire consequences as rape, but it usually leaves the rest of us cleaning up after their shit.

[classysassy]

70. Law and order

We deal with crime in an undemocratic way here in america,if you are a banker you get a pass,if you are a famous entertainer you get a pass,if you are a famous baseball,football,basketball or tennis player you are sure to get a pass.So thats the way it is ,has always been that way,when it come to justice the old lady(justice)is not really blind.

[RamboLiberal]

76. Looks like Goodell will make his ruling Wednesday

The Steelers are expecting to hear Wednesday what punishment Ben Roethlisberger will receive from NFL commissioner Roger Goodell in connection with his alleged sexual-assault incident in Georgia, the Post-Gazette has learned.

Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10110/1051941-66.stm#ixzz0lgNo0rju

And Steelers acquired a QB today who has started and was here for Super Bowl season.

The Steelers have just made a trade for a quarterback and it could give some indication of what they expect to happen with Ben Roethlisberger.

The team traded a seventh-round pick for Byron Leftwich.

The Steelers have now confirmed the report.

KDKA's Bob Pompeani reports the move could indicate a longer potential suspension for Roethlisberger.

He also reports the Steelers had 11 picks and could afford to make a deal like this one.

http://kdka.com/steelers/Steelers.Byron.Leftwich.2.1645608.html

[awoke_in_2003]

82. I am glad...

they are getting Leftwich back. He showed something in the two games he played as a Steeler- so good Ben came back from injuries early (can't be outdone by you backup, just as Drew Bledsoe)

[RamboLiberal]

84. Steelers' Roethlisberger awaits fate; trade not ruled out

While they are expecting to learn today what punishment quarterback Ben Roethlisberger will receive from National Football League commissioner Roger Goodell, the Steelers have received trade feelers from other teams and have not ruled out the possibility of dealing their two-time Super Bowl-winning quarterback, the Post-Gazette has learned.

It is not believed the Steelers are actively seeking to trade Roethlisberger, nor are they close to doing what they did with Super Bowl XLIII MVP Santonio Holmes, who was traded for a fifth-round pick to the New York Jets because the team was planning to release him anyway.

Nonetheless, the possibility Roethlisberger could be traded, provided the price is right, is not being discounted by the team.

The Steelers did shore up their quarterback corps late today by trading a seventh-round pick to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers for veteran quarterback Byron Leftwich, who was Roethlisberger's backup in 2008.

Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10110/1051941-66.stm#ixzz0lglP6Yjq

I think the Rooney's are getting such an earful from fans and are so disgusted they could well trade him.

Rumor had the Seahawks wanting him but not willing to give up enough.

[awoke_in_2003]

86. They got an earful from me...

It is time for a new steelers hat and jersey, and a jacket when it gets colder. I let them know that I will be buying NONE of this as long as Ben wears the black and gold. Might not mean much from just me, but if plenty of other Steelers fans feel the same way it will take a chunk of their NFL gear share (Steelers are second only to the cowgirls in NFL gear sold)

[Missy Vixen]

92. RamboLiberal, Seahawks aren't trading for Roethlisberger

Fans here won't put up with him, and neither will the FO.

[Yeahyeah]

83. "After he left Miami U where he was understandably BMOC, he returned to campus while my daughter

was a student there to cruise the bars and try to pick up undergrads/teenagers . What a creepy perv!"
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-bucs-steelerstrade

Yeesh.

[Old Vet]

88. Is there the slightest possibility................

He gets drunk and stupid but a serial rapist, There really are women looking for that easy payday-IMHO

[Missy Vixen]

93. Oh, yeah

>There really are women looking for that easy payday-IMHO<

There's lots of women who can't wait to sustain "vaginal tearing" (read the police report; it's up at www.thesmokinggun.com,) at the hands of a 6'5", 240 pound male. I should also throw in oh, having your personal life aired in open court, being called a "slut" or worse, bla bla bla. After all, all rape victims are just looking for that "easy payday".

Where am I again? I could have sworn I was at a progressive website.

:eyes:

[Old Vet]

107. Didn't know about any forced sex?.................

If true he should be arrested, But I still don't understand why a woman would return to a mans apartment if he tried to force himself on her before?

[KinMd]

90. A question about Big Ben

why is a 28yo multi millionaire, star NFL quarterback, trolling college bars, having cops pimp for him, and feeding drinks to 20yo coeds, so he can have sex in a bathroom? Seems to me Benny just might, try going someplace and meeting a woman closer to his own age who isn't drunk.

[RamboLiberal]

95. Because the jackass and his "posse" have never grown up

He never grew the up! IMHO his social brain is still 20 years old. And I think the doofus has an alchohol problem. He thinks women are to worship him and be used and abused.

[ArizonaLiberal]

96. Just got suspended

6 games!

[RamboLiberal]

98. My bet it will be reduced to the 4 for good behaviour

NFL commissioner Roger Goodell suspended Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger today for a maximum of six games without pay to start the 2010 season, a suspension that could be reduced to four games if he successfully completes counseling or treatment mandated by the NFL.

Roethlisberger will not be able to participate in any team activity until he completes a professional behavioral evaluation.

The suspension means Roethlisberger will miss at least four games to open the season against Atlanta, Tennessee, Tampa Bay and Baltimore. The Steelers have the bye week in the season's fifth week and then play Cleveland and Miami, additional games Roethlisberger would miss if he gets the full suspension Goodell issued today.

Roethlisberger will lose at least $1,894,117.64 of his 2010 salary for missing four games. If he misses six, it would take place over the Steelers' bye week, which means he would lose seven weeks of salary or $3,314,705.87.

In addition, the Steelers will be fined $200,000 under Goodell's policy instituted last year that a team also will be punished if its players violate the NFL personal conduct policy.



Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10111/1052202-100.stm#ixzz0llFieob6

[RamboLiberal]

99. State police remove trooper as Roethlisberger assistant

The Pennsylvania State Police have rescinded a contract permitting Trooper Ed Joyner to work for Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger.

Trooper Joyner has served as an assistant for Roethlisberger, and was with him on the night the Steelers star was accused of raping a woman in the restroom of a club in Milledgeville, Ga. Georgia authorities did not charge Roethlisberger in the incident.

A release from the state police said that after an initial review of the investigation conducted by the Georgia Bureau of Investigation, it has decided to terminate the contract allowing him to work for Roethlisberger on his off hours.


"The reasons indicated for the rescission are that Trooper Joyner violated the stipulations of the approved application; that he exceeded the scope of the employment description listed; and that in doing so he is alleged to have demeaned the image of the Department," the release said.

State police will continue to investigate the trooper's actions during the Georgia incident. "Should violations of regulations have occurred, no matter the location of this incident, appropriate actions will be taken," the release said.

Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10111/1052224-66.stm#ixzz0llGxNHLF

Personally I think this cop & the other local cop involved should be sent packing as well. They didn't uphold their responsibilities as LEO that night. In fact they acted more as enablers to Roethlisberger in committing this act. And they knew damn well from all the testimony I read that these young ladies drinking shots & other drinks provided by Roethlisberger were underage and already intoxicated.

[KinMd]

102. Fire this cop

......gets all star struck and acts like a pimp for Big Ben.

[Blue_Tires]

103. UPDATE: looks like he'll sit for 6 games

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-ben-roethlisberger-20100422,0,4101255.story

[RamboLiberal]

104. And trying to trade him as I & others have predicted

The bad behavior of Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback' Ben Roethlisberger resulted Wednesday in a six-game suspension by the NFL and reportedly has triggered what once would have been unthinkable: The Steelers are testing the market to trade him.

According to an ESPN report, Pittsburgh has been contacting teams selecting in the top 10 of this year's draft, which begins at 4:30 p.m. PDT Thursday, to gauge interest in the two-time Super Bowl winner. By Wednesday afternoon, the network reported the Steelers had talked to St. Louis, San Francisco, Oakland, Jacksonville, Seattle and Cleveland. The 49ers are the only club without a top-10 pick (13 and 17).

In a conference call with reporters, Steelers President Art Rooney II was vague on the subject but didn't deny his team was shopping the quarterback, who last month was accused of sexually assaulting a 20-year-old college student in Georgia but will not face charges.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-ben-roethlisberger-20100422,0,4101255.story

Late today, both the St. Louis Rams and the Buffalo Bills have publicly said that they are not interested in acquiring Roethlisberger.

But KDKA's Bob Pompeani reports that there are some teams who clearly would be interested in Roethlisberger – all of which have top ten selections in the draft. The Oakland Raiders, the Seattle Seahawks and even the Cleveland Browns are all reportedly interested in the Steelers quarterback.

Further fueling the trade rumors was the Steelers' decision yesterday to bring back Quarterback Byron Leftwich. The team extended Leftwich's contract today.

http://kdka.com/steelers/Ben.Roethlisberger.Steelers.2.1648274.html

Rumor in Pgh is he may be gone by dawn.