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cory777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 02:45 AM
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Goldman Sachs implicated in shorting Lehman shares
Source: Telegraph

Goldman Sachs has been drawn into a fresh controversy as lawyers demand to know whether it was partly responsible for triggering Lehman Brothers’ downfall by shorting its rival’s shares.

The Wall Street behemoth is already being investigated by a number of financial regulators around the world in addition to the US Securities and Exchange Commission’s fraud charges over derivatives mis-selling. It has now been named in a court filing seeking information about short-selling Lehman shares.

Goldman has been subpoenaed to hand over documents to Lehman’s Bryan Marsal, the man responsible for winding up the bank’s affairs and repaying creditors. Goldman was named in the court filing along with four other firms, including hedge funds SAC Capital and Citadel. Goldman declined to comment on the Lehman case.

Read more: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/banksandfinance/7608743/Goldman-Sachs-implicated-in-shorting-Lehman-shares.html
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 03:51 AM
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1. The Wheels of Justice Are Just Getting Started
This is better than anything on TV or in theaters.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 05:10 AM
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6. Indeed...
get out the popcorn, it's going to be a good show, I hope. :popcorn:
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 03:56 AM
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2. Nail their ass!
These are criminals and they ruined the country.
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harry_pothead Donating Member (752 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 04:15 AM
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3. Sounds like a few people over at Goldman are going to be rooming with Big Bruno.
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Frank Cannon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 06:06 AM
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10. Oh, posh. These people will never go near an actual jail cell.
Even though Madame Guillotine is too good for them.

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ozymandius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 04:22 AM
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4. Shades of Arthur Andersen
Goldman Sachs of Sh*t has been placed in the position of getting burned to the ground. IMO, this is a well-deserved immolation.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 04:26 AM
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5. Gambling cartels tend to fall this way.
They start gambling against each other.

I still don't know why people are still monumentally stupid enough to gamble on Wall Street, but it happens.
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 05:22 AM
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7. Fox hits new low, I was just watching Fox and Friends
and they are pointing out that Goldman Sachs was one of Obama's greatest contributors almost $1 million. The complaint wasn't that Obama was showing them favoritism it was Obama's SEC is screwing them over even after they were one of his biggest supporters. Only in the land of Fox can you be demonized for not being bought and paid for!
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florida08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 08:20 AM
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21. +1
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ieoeja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 09:40 AM
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25. Similar, but worse, was something that happened to an Illinois governor.

I hate to say anything good about former Governor Blagojevich.... Sorry, it is difficult to *find* anything good to say about former Governor Blagojevich, but one of his first acts as governor was to shut down an illegal toxic dump run by someone to whom he was related. And everyone attacked him for (1) being related to someone formerly operating a toxic dump and (2) shutting down the illegal dump.

(1) was stupid because he was the one who shut it down, not the one who operated the damn thing. And (2) was, well, unexplainable.

This is why people like me voted for his re-election despite an ongoing federal investigation. A guy who'd shut down his own relative's business and spend the next four years fighting against known corruption in state government sounded like a pretty straight arrow. Especially given the fact that at that point the only public information on the federal investigation was solely the word of a bunch of Republicans, i.e. his political enemies, serving time for bribery.

Turns out those Republican paymasters took Blagojevich's incoming money man under their wings, introducing him to their friends -- Illinois had been under Republican control for decades prior to the last two gubernatorial terms -- and taking a cut of the profits. Whether Blagojevich knew about this we should learn in his upcoming trial.

Personally, I don't care if he committed any crimes or not. I thought Blagojevich should have been impeached for refusing to do his job when he sent the legislature a budget, spent a year refusing to negotiate on the budget, scheduled meetings with the legislatures without ever showing up, then vetoed that budget when the legislators gave up and passed it without changing a word because he suddenly changed his mind.

What he did to the state employee's pension fund didn't help. He continued the Republican policy of simply ignoring the law and refusing to pay the government's matching funds for employee contributions and "borrowing" the employee contributions.


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RantinRavin Donating Member (423 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 05:26 AM
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8. And the problem is ?
Last time I checked, it was perfectly legal to short stocks.
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 05:34 AM
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9. I think the mess on Wall Street was a lot more than just
shorting stocks.
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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 07:39 AM
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18. Hearing This I Keep Wondering If We'll Ever Find Out Who Made Money On 9/11 Short Selling .....
United and American Airline stocks.
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Celebration Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 06:17 AM
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11. yes, it is legal
But I am not sure about orchestrating a hit, and conspiring with others, floating rumors, etc. We'll see how this plays out. It may just boost their reputation for sleaze. And that alone could be their downfall.
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 02:07 PM
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28. It is legal. This is just a motion for discovery.
The bankruptcy administrator is probably seeking to establish whether goldmans had any inside information which could have informed their decision, including prior commercial relationship with Lehman Bros.
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cbdo2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 06:33 AM
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12. I'm pretty sure they were shorting their own shares last Friday.
You can pretty much assume, any time a major company has a major stock market gain or loss GS is gaining from it.
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jschurchin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 06:59 AM
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13. Have any of you noticed.
None of this matters to Wall Street manipulators. On friday GS FINALLY gets charged for one of the crimes they have committed and the market goes down only 125 points.

When FRAUD permeates our financial system the SEC charges CIVILLY instead of CRIMINALLY and lets the individuals who perpetrate these crimes walk.

We saw yesterday who controls the United States stock market. A criminal organization who uses FRAUD to further their agenda, The Financial Industry. God help us all.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 07:28 AM
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15. SEC Has No Authority to File Criminal Charges
That's up to Erik Holder at Justice.

As for the market, the Plunge Protection Team has been in there pumping themselves into an aneurysm trying to keep this latest bubble plump. So blame Uncle Ben Bernanke and Little Timmy's in the Well" Geithner and the Big Cheese himself.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 08:02 AM
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20. There is no "Plunge Protection Team," and never has been
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cbdo2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 08:50 AM
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24. This really has very very little to do with the "market" as a whole.
I had a number of stocks go UP on Friday because regardless of what these banking a-holes do, the majority of the market are good companies that are doing things correctly and are working like the stock market and investments are supposed to.

You should be relieved that the "market" only went down 125 points on Friday because that should tell everyone that it is bigger than GS and that our economy doesn't rely on them as much as people like you think it does.
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Crowman1979 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 07:27 AM
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14. Is there any chance this will lead to CNBC's Jim Cramer going to Federal Prison?
I'm just asking because I can't stand his annoying ass!
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 07:28 AM
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16. Wouldn't THAT Be Loverly!
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 07:32 AM
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17. there were people who knew this was happening but no one listened.
the msm paid no attention to the "fringe" that called this while and just after it happened. the big oil futures swindle was reported by the fringe but it took over a year or so before anyone in the msm decided to give the story "creditability".
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Skink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 07:59 AM
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19. Got to go Lehman.
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Jazzgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 08:22 AM
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22. I remember reading about Lehman execs saying they were
blindsided. They said they weren't in that bad a shape but somebody was shorting them and somebody was also naked shorting them. I wish I could find the article. I had it saved on my other computer but it crashed and burned.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 08:48 AM
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23. They were in bad shape, they lied about their books. The naked shorted finished them off
but they were misrepresenting their health. That is why they are looking at fraud in regard to Lehman

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taught_me_patience Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 09:40 AM
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26. Umm... they were in bad shape and shorts were justified
Executives were involved in fraud. Here is a stock market trading tip:

When executives start complaining about short sellers or "naked shorts" then SELL! Short at will. See OSTK as a classic example of this.
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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 09:48 AM
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27. It would be interesting
if this shorting had its genesis in the change of the shorting rules by Bush's SEC.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 08:28 PM
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29. k and r
Goldboyz Suck needs to be dismantled.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 11:05 PM
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30. Transcript & Video: Bill Black Testimony on Lehman Bankruptcy
Transcript & Video: Bill Black Testimony on Lehman Bankruptcy
By: Jane Hamsher Tuesday April 20, 2010


Bill Black scorched everyone with his testimony on the failure of Lehman Brothers before the House Financial Services Committee today.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-HTylLzXu8&feature=player_embedded

here is a transcript..

FDL Contributor; Bill Black scorched everyone with his testimony on the failure of Lehman Brothers before the House Financial Services Committee today. His prepared remarks can be found here (PDF).

CHAIRMAN KANJORSKI: And now we’ll hear from Mr. William K. Black, Associate Professor of Economics and Law, the University of Missouri, Kansas City School of Law. Mr. Black.

BILL BLACK: Members of the Committee, thank you.

You asked earlier for a stern regulator, you have one now in front of you. And we need to be blunt. You haven’t heard much bluntness in hours of testimony.

We stopped a nonprime crisis before it became a crisis in 1991 by supervisory actions.

We did it so effectively that people forgot that it even existed, even though it caused several hundred million dollars of losses — but none to the taxpayer. We did it by preemptive litigation, and by supervision. We broke a raging epidemic of accounting control fraud without new legislation in the period of 1984 through 1986.

Legislation would’ve been helpful, we sought legislation, but we didn’t get it. And we were able to stop that because we didn’t simply consider business as usual.

Lehman’s failure is a story in large part of fraud. And it is fraud that begins at the absolute latest in 2001, and that is with their subprime and liars’ loan operations.

Lehman was the leading purveyor of liars’ loans in the world. For most of this decade, studies of liars’ loans show incidence of fraud of 90%. Lehmans sold this to the world, with reps and warranties that there were no such frauds. If you want to know why we have a global crisis, in large part it is before you. But it hasn’t been discussed today, amazingly.

Financial institution leaders are not engaged in risk when they engage in liars’ loans — liars’ loans will cause a failure. They lose money. The only way to make money is to deceive others by selling bad paper, and that will eventually lead to liability and failure as well.

When people cheat you cannot as a regulator continue business as usual. They go into a different category and you must act completely differently as a regulator. What we’ve gotten instead are sad excuses.

The SEC: we’re told they’re only 24 people in their comprehensive program. Who decided how many people there would be in their comprehensive program? Who decided the staffing? The SEC did. To say that we only had 24 people is not to create an excuse — it’s to give an admission of criminal negligence. Except it’s not criminal, because you’re a federal employee.

In the context of the FDIC, Secretary Geithner testified today that this pushed the financial system to the brink of collapse But Chairman Bernanke testified we sent two people to be on site at Lehman. We sent fifty credit people to the largest savings and loan in America. It had 30 billion in assets. We had a whole lot less staff than the Fed does.

We forced out the CEO. We replaced the CEO. We did that not through regulation but because of our leverage as creditors. Now I ask you, who had more leverage as creditors in 2008? The Fed, as compared to the Federal Home Loan Bank of San Francisco, 19 years earlier? Incomprehensible greater leverage in the Fed, and it simply was not used.

Let’s start with the repos. We have known since the Enron in 2001 that this is a common scam, in which every major bank that was approached by Enron agreed to help them deceive creditors and investors by doing these kind of transactions.

And so what happened? There was a proposal in 2004 to stop it. And the regulatory heads — there was an interagency effort — killed it. They came out with something pathetic in 2006, and stalled its implication until 2007, but it ’s meaningless.

We have known for decades that these are frauds. We have known for a decade how to stop them. All of the major regulatory agencies were complicit in that statement, in destroying it. We have a self-fulfilling policy of regulatory failure
because of the leadership in this era.

We have the Fed, the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, finding that this is three card monty. Well what would you do, as a regulator, if you knew that one of the largest enterprises in the world, when the nation is on the brink of economic collapse, is engaged in fraud, three card monty? Would you continue business as usual?

That’s what was done.
Oh they met a lot — they say “we only had a nuclear stick.” Sounds like a pretty good stick to use, if you’re on the brink of collapse of the system. But that’s not what the Fed has to do. The Fed is a central bank. Central banks for centuries have gotten rid of the heads of financial institutions. The Bank of England does it with a luncheon. The board of directors are invited. They don’t say “no.” They are sat down.

The head of the Bank of England says “we have lost confidence in the head of your enterprise. We believe Mr. Jones would be an effective replacement. And by 4 o’clock that day, Mr. Jones is running the place. And he has a mandate to clean up all the problems.

Instead, every day that Lehman remained under its leadership, the exposure of the American people to loss grew by hundreds of millions of dollars on average. Auroroa was pumping out up to 300 billion dollars a month in liars’ loans. Losses on those are running roughly 50% to 85 cents on the dollar. It is critical not to do business as usual, to change.

We’ve also heard from Secretary Geithner and Chairman Bernanke — we couldn’t deal with these lenders because we had no authority over them. The Fed had unique authority since 1994 under HOEPA to regulate all mortgage lenders. It finally used it in 2008.

They could’ve stopped Aurora. They could’ve stopped the subprime unit of Lehman that was really a liar’s loan place as well as time went by.

(Kanjorski bangs the gavel)

Thank you very much.

http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2010/04/20/transcript-video-bill-black-testimony-on-lehman-bankruptcy/
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