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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 01:36 PM
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Barack Obama orders review of Arizona immigration law
Edited on Tue Apr-27-10 01:47 PM by maddezmom
Source: The Telegraph

Barack Obama has asked the US Justice Department to launch a review into whether draconian new immigration laws in Arizona are unconstitutional.

By Alex Spillius in Washington
Published: 7:21PM BST 27 Apr 2010


The US president has called the measures "misguided" and said he wants more advice on the implications of the plans before deciding how to proceed.

Homeland Security chief Janet Napolitano said justice officials had "deep concerns" about the legislation that critics fear will encourage racial profiling and discrimination.


The law signed by Arizona's Republican governor allows police to question and detain anyone in the southwestern border state they believe may be an illegal immigrant, even if they are not suspected of committing another crime.

Napolitano told a hearing of the Senate Judiciary Committee the Justice Department was reviewing "whether the law meets constitutional safeguards".



Read more: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/7640317/Barack-Obama-orders-review-of-Arizona-immigration-law.html



Napolitano, Holder Voice Concern About Arizona Immigration Law

April 27 (Bloomberg) -- Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano told U.S. lawmakers her agency has “deep concerns,” about a new immigration law in Arizona and said the U.S. should pursue a comprehensive overhaul of its immigration policies.

Attorney General Eric Holder, at a news conference in Washington, said he also has concerns and said the Justice Department is considering going to court to challenge the Arizona statute.

The new Arizona law “will detract from and siphon resources that we need to focus on those in the country illegally who are committing serious crimes, in addition to violating our nation’s immigration laws,” Napolitano told members of the Senate Judiciary Committee today.

Arizona Governor Jan Brewer signed legislation last week that would make it a state crime to be in the U.S. illegally and require local police to determine the immigration status of anyone an officer suspects of being in the country without proper documentation.

more: http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-04-27/napolitano-says-she-has-concerns-about-arizona-immigration-law.html
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 01:50 PM
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1. Off To the Greatest Page
I'm glad they are stepping in to have a look at that horrible law.

:thumbsup:
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FedUp_Queer Donating Member (679 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 06:04 PM
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41. I agree with you.
However, just wish they had felt so enamored with civil rights when it came to our (LGBT) rights (Prop 8). Makes me think, as a gay person, that we really are throwaways to Obama.
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 01:52 PM
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2. Awwww, yeah.
:D
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 01:59 PM
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3. Good, thank you Mr. President! nt
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 02:00 PM
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4. good. last night
sheriff joe and al sharpton were on larry king live. sheriff joe said to sharpton (paraphrasing) "your president and his attorney general came after me when they were in office 60 days".

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Delphinus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 03:47 PM
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24. What does that mean?
I don't understand.
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 06:18 PM
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42. the federal government has been
looking into racial profiling that's been going on in arizona by sheriff joe's deputies.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 02:54 AM
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65. Sheriff Schmoe.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 02:02 PM
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5. KNR!
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DumbBassRepublicans Donating Member (140 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 03:42 AM
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69. You gotta love Arizona....
always on the cutting edge of insanity...!!!!
LOL...!!!
:crazy:
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happygoluckytoyou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 02:28 PM
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6. ===> got your email list right here..==> --> ==>oooooooo===>
sharing the word like johnney appleseed


kcouchon@azot.gov, mrittmann@azot.gov, mmagnusson@azot.gov, lbelonio@azot.gov, ebilbrey@pr.state.az.us, mike@azcomgroup.com,
Kimberly.Janes@ci.chandler.az.us, luanne.mattson@cox.net, hainardi@ci.flagstaff.az.us, jliewer@glendaleaz.com, joshua@kingmanchamber.org, tyler@golakehavasu.com, michelle@visitmesa.com, dwayne@pagelakepowellchamber.org, dmackenzie@visitphoenix.com,
sschepman@cableone.net, lmcmurchie@scottsdalecvb.com, heather@sedonachamber.com, ebreckel@ci.sierra-vista.az.us, toni@tempecvb.com,
kschmitz@visitTucson.org, Tpropeck@cox.net, jbrooks@wickenburgchamber.com, kgreenspoon@williamschamber.com, ann@visityuma.com

THESE ARE THE TOURISM AND SUCH PEOPLE FOR THE GREAT STATE OF ARIZONA

-------------NEW MOTTO---> DOING EVERYTHING IN OUR POWER TO KEEP ALABAMA FROM LOOKING LIKE THE DUMBEST STATE IN THE UNION
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Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 03:27 PM
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20. I like the new motto!
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happygoluckytoyou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 10:00 PM
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60. AND DONT FORGET to send -----These EMAILS a letter....
sharing the word like johnney appleseed


kcouchon@azot.gov, mrittmann@azot.gov, mmagnusson@azot.gov, lbelonio@azot.gov, ebilbrey@pr.state.az.us, mike@azcomgroup.com,
Kimberly.Janes@ci.chandler.az.us, luanne.mattson@cox.net, hainardi@ci.flagstaff.az.us, jliewer@glendaleaz.com, joshua@kingmanchamber.org, tyler@golakehavasu.com, michelle@visitmesa.com, dwayne@pagelakepowellchamber.org, dmackenzie@visitphoenix.com,
sschepman@cableone.net, lmcmurchie@scottsdalecvb.com, heather@sedonachamber.com, ebreckel@ci.sierra-vista.az.us, toni@tempecvb.com,
kschmitz@visitTucson.org, Tpropeck@cox.net, jbrooks@wickenburgchamber.com, kgreenspoon@williamschamber.com, ann@visityuma.com

THESE ARE THE TOURISM AND SUCH PEOPLE FOR THE GREAT STATE OF ARIZONA

-------------NEW MOTTO---> DOING EVERYTHING IN OUR POWER TO KEEP ALABAMA FROM LOOKING LIKE THE DUMBEST STATE IN THE UNION
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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 05:43 PM
Response to Reply #6
92. +1
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 02:29 PM
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7. Dammit... he's just like Bush
.

;-)
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 04:21 PM
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30. Bush pushed amnesty for illegal aliens during his term. Can you not remember that far back?
:hi:
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unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 09:45 PM
Response to Reply #7
57. yep....
....I'm waiting to see what Obama does, not what he says....he's a constitutional lawyer and scholar; you wouldn't think he would need much 'advice' in order to proceed....
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tqla Donating Member (104 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 11:51 AM
Response to Reply #57
79. He has 90 days to act
might as well take his time and do it right.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 06:01 AM
Response to Reply #7
73. Or Rove or Graham
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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 02:31 PM
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8. JUSTICE DEPT. TO REVIEW AZ IMMIGRATION LAW
Source: Raw Story



'Deep concerns' over Arizona immigration law: Napolitano
AFP
Published: Tuesday April 27, 2010

Homeland Security chief Janet Napolitano said Tuesday that US justice officials have "deep concerns" about a controversial new Arizona law that critics fear may encourage racial profiling and other acts of discrimination.

The law, signed Friday by Arizona's Republican Governor Jan Brewer, allows police to question and detain anyone in the southwestern border state they believe may be an illegal immigrant, even if they are not suspected of committing another crime.

Napolitano said at a hearing of the Senate Judiciary Committee that the Justice Department is reviewing "whether the law meets constitutional safeguards."

The Barack Obama administration has "deep concerns with the law from the law enforcement perspective," she said, adding that officials worry that the law "will detract from resources that we need to focus on those on the country illegally -- who are those who have committed the most serious crimes."

Read more: http://rawstory.com/news/afp/_Deep_concerns_over_Arizona_immigra_04272010.html
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 02:31 PM
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9. Just Like Bush
:sarcasm: as if that's needed.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 02:58 AM
Response to Reply #9
66. What were Bush's immigration policies?
Edited on Wed Apr-28-10 02:59 AM by No Elephants
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DumbBassRepublicans Donating Member (140 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 03:47 AM
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70. Bush's immigration policy consisted of....
Speaking loudly, and carrying an itty-bitty, stick..!!
(To go along with his itty-bitty brain)...
LOL...!!! :kick::dunce:
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 04:19 AM
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72. Maybe, but deporting or jailing immigrants were not among the things about which he spoke loudly.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 10:18 AM
Response to Reply #66
78. You Think Bush's DOJ Would Have Done This?
Really?
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mrfocus Donating Member (151 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 02:32 PM
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10. Excellent!
Rapid reaction and leading from the front....refreshingly different from health care reform!!
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varelse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 02:42 PM
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12. Nice T-shirt (nt)
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mrfocus Donating Member (151 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 02:49 PM
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14. Thanks!
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 02:42 PM
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11. Good.
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 02:44 PM
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13. +100, great on Obama.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 02:54 PM
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15. So we're federally protected equally in 50 states?
Now that's what I'm talking about!
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 02:55 PM
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16. So Racial profiling is ok in Arizona?!!
what a sick and sad state that is.

reminds me of "if they look like a commie, well they must be a commie."
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 02:59 PM
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17. Good move by the president -- although was lovely watching GOP shoot themselves in foot --!!
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Toasterlad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 03:03 PM
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18. But I Thought the President Couldn't Tell the Justice Department What To Do?
Edited on Tue Apr-27-10 03:26 PM by Toasterlad
That's what all the apologists said when the DoJ ran the incredibly insulting and completely unnecessary defense of DOMA. I guess the President is only allowed to lean on the DoJ when they're not throwing GAYS under the bus.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 03:17 PM
Response to Reply #18
19. that was the defense they used when defending the lack of action, yes.
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skepticscott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 06:47 PM
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45. Thank you
I was wondering if anyone else would remember that.
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Vattel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 09:46 PM
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58. yes
I remember being ridiculed for making the obvious point that the President, as chief executive, can set policies and priorities for the DOJ.
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ArizonaLiberal Donating Member (241 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 03:33 PM
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21. They have training set up!
It seems we do have someone who knows what an illegal immigrant looks like.

Arizona Racial Training!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wBqzWbw1tE
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 03:45 PM
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22. Well, considering it was written in part by white supremacists...
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humbled_opinion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 03:45 PM
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23. This is going to
Diverge into the issue of states rights. Mark my words the teabaggers are chomping at the bit to add this issue to their repertoire.

AZ and other states main complaint is that current federal law is not being enforced, the illegals are a drain on the economy and State resources and States are feeling their oats.

Similarly other states are against health care reform and what they are perceiving as an overreach of the Federal Government into States rights, the Conservatives are cheering on the dissent and everything is starting to boil.

I would have never thought this, but now it is not outside the realm of possiblity that we will start seeing states call for secession and possibly violence launched against Federal oversight. ?Another Civil War?

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 04:03 PM
Response to Reply #23
26. In fact, federal immigration programs have never been more active
in the states and undocumented workers are a net gain in the states' economies.

But when did Republicans ever bother with the facts.
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humbled_opinion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 04:19 PM
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29. Active but unproductive
Illegals are a net loss to Government because their income is non-taxed, most send their money home and don't spend it here and all take advantage of Free services that are specifically intended for US citizens at taxpayer expense.

The only gain is for those that illegally hire them and that amounts to nothing more then modern day slave labor.

The federal goverment must do something, there is no longer a choice to sit on the sidelines if the federal government does not act you will begin to see more states joining the AZ chorus.

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Bette Noir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 04:54 PM
Response to Reply #29
37. Where do you get those "facts"? Glen Beck?
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humbled_opinion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 08:35 AM
Response to Reply #37
76. Oh how nice
Deflection, distraction, accusations, no debate. So does your tactic include calling Obama a racist when he does something that your don't like? Just curious.
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PSzymeczek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 08:37 PM
Response to Reply #29
53. In order to get services from DES in Arizona,
a person has to show proof of being here legally. Undocumented immigrants do NOT get welfare/foodstamps/Medicaid.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 03:26 AM
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68. How does a welfare worker know if someone is an undocumented immigrant or not?
Edited on Wed Apr-28-10 04:09 AM by No Elephants
Are they allowed to say, "Show me your papers?" If so, to whom are they allowed to say it? And would that demand violate the Constitution or constitute a police state, too?

BTW, I don't think you are correct about undocumented immigrants being ineligible for aid. According to Fact Check, the cost claimed by some on the RW is applicable to BOTH documented and undocumented immigrants, which means undocumented immigrants are indeed geting financial aid, too.

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/04/cost-of-illegal-immigrants/

And, they are receiving other services as well, from schcoling to health care to law enforcement, etc. Whether they pay into the cost of those services is another matter. If they are getting paid "under the table," obviously, they are not paying in. If their employer treats their salary as any other, then they are not getting their fair share.

While money is not the crux of the issue for me, facts (and law) matter.

BTW, DES is a different issue from welfare as federal law forbids employers from hiring undocumented immigrants.
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humbled_opinion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 08:25 AM
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75. Did I say Welfare etc?
No, but they do use hospitals, and some social services that taxpayers ultimately pay for.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 09:50 PM
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 03:14 PM
Response to Reply #29
83. No, that's wrong. They are a net gain to the economy
and are currently funding Social Security.

But thanks for spreading right wing talking points!

LOL
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humbled_opinion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 04:55 PM
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85. No your wrong.
Illegals have no rights in the workplace they are taken advantage of at slave labor rates and typically paid under the table, the argument that they are a net gain to the economy is only from the employers who illegally hire them and use them up, no US taxes, no insurance requirements, modern day slavery. A typical illegal worker does not spend their money in the USA they send the majority of their money home for their families.

You sound like a person that wishes we could all have one to do our daily chores and such, is that right?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 05:22 PM
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89. This is what you posted and it's incorrect:
"Illegals are a net loss to Government because their income is non-taxed, most send their money home and don't spend it here and all take advantage of Free services that are specifically intended for US citizens at taxpayer expense.

The only gain is for those that illegally hire them and that amounts to nothing more then modern day slave labor.

The federal goverment must do something, there is no longer a choice to sit on the sidelines if the federal government does not act you will begin to see more states joining the AZ chorus."

Undocumented workers add between 30-35 billion dollars to our economy every year.

So don't turn around after posting this utter bs and pretend you have any concern for these workers who pay more than their share for public services that most of them never access.

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humbled_opinion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 05:40 PM
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90. Your statement is illogical.
I specifically stated and as you retyped it that the gain for Americans from Illegals amounts to nothing more then slave labor. So your non-action amounts to your approval of Human Rights violations... nice....

Your bogus dollar figures are impossible to prove unless you are accouting for illegal drug trade, because the simple fact is these people don't pay taxes so their is no economic net gain.

If you understood anything about the issue those that do have jobs send the majority of their money back to their families still living in Mexico.
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bergie321 Donating Member (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 05:01 PM
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39. Another Civil War?
I would give it 6 weeks before the teabaggers became illegal immigrants after their "government" fell apart.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 03:04 AM
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67. States' rights to violate the Constitution of the United States are so 19th Century.
Edited on Wed Apr-28-10 03:14 AM by No Elephants
States rights has always been code for discrimination.

Civil War - states' rights re: slavery.

Post Civil War - states' rights re: Jim Crow laws.

Post Jim Crow - states' rights re: ignoring Martin Luther King Day (Arizonians Goldwater, supposedly founder of the Conservative Movement, and his "mavericky" successor, McCain, both espoused that one).

No state but Texas has ever had anything remotely like a legal right to secede. However, I am starting to wonder if Lincoln should have looked the other way. (If he had foreseen air travel, maybe he would have.)

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Ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 04:01 PM
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25. Oh boy, here comes Civil War II...
Begun, the Clone Wars Have.
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Hosnon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 04:04 PM
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27. But what can the Administration do about it? There's no mechanism for
simply asking the Supreme Court to decide the constitutionality of a state law.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 04:21 PM
Original message
you might remember when some states legalized pot clubs, bush had his AG seek an injunction to
to stop it until decided by the courts. The same thing can be done here


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Hosnon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 04:50 PM
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34. I don't remember that - do you have a link? The only sort of thing I found
were stories about medical users filing injunctions against the Bush Administration's enforcement of federal law.

I don't think the U.S. Attorney General can itself file an injunction against the enforcement of a state law. Someone probably needs to get arrested and challenge the law for the Supreme Court to ever hear it.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 04:19 PM
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28. I will reserve judgement until I see what Holder does. If there is any case which should
be fast tracked it should be this

I hope he pursues this more vigoriously than he has some other issues



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katandmoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 04:21 PM
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31. K&R for DOJ doing the right thing for once
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 04:33 PM
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32. And yet Arizona is stupid enough to ask for help implementing the law:
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pinkpops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 09:43 PM
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56. For example:
Arizona arrests somebody. Can Arizona deport them? I don't think so. Can they make the FEDS take them to Federal lockup? Well, if they ask nicely maybe, but the feds could just let them go. After all, the Arizona process is not the Fed's process, so the people may have every right to be set free. So now the fine people of Arizona are responsible for feeding and clothing them. Time to raise taxes in Arizona I guess...


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Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 04:41 PM
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33. YEa!! Show those racist RW fucks they can't get away with this!!!
:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

OBAMA!!OBAMA!!OBAMA!!OBAMA!!OBAMA!!OBAMA!!
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 04:51 PM
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35. The law was passed to scare into silence Latino voters. Republicans don't want Democrats voting. nt
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 04:53 PM
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36. A slightly hyperbolic lead line from the Telegraph. Obama has asked the DOJ to review constitutional
implications of the law. I assume in preparation for anticipated lawsuit procedures.

Effective response remains in the hands of state courts -> federal courts and ultimately -> the Supreme Court.

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sailor65 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 04:55 PM
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38. Flame away, but something to keep in mind
Gay marriage is something that states are beginning to use States Rights to finally fix, in absence of Federal action. Medicinal marijuana is something some states have taken on contrary to Federal action. Both positions are strongly supported on DU, so it was cheers and toasts here for those.

It doesn't matter where you stand on the AZ thing, screaming now to override the rights of a state is one of those "Be careful what you wish for" things. They work both ways.

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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 03:51 AM
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71. Please see Reply 68.
The Constitution does not deny states the right to recognize same gender marriage. To the contrary, personal and family matters, such as marriage, inheritance, divorce, adoption, etc., had always been considered purely state matters. It's DOMA that is of questionable Constitutionality. However, even DOMA does not forbid states from recognizing same gender marriage.

I have no position on medicinal marijuana, since we do have a federal fake "war" against drugs, but my understanding is that the feds are not worrying about enforcing federal laws against medicinal marijuana right now.
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rapturedbyrobots Donating Member (364 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 05:55 PM
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40. correction
the article states 'even if they are not suspected of committing another crime.'

technically, being in the U.S. without proper immigration status/documentation is not a criminal act. it is a civil offense, for which civil penalties are imposed.
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gleaner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 06:25 PM
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43. Thank you Mr. President ...
I was hoping that the feds would intercede because this had grave implications for all of us. Tyranny likes to spread. I am very relieved that Obama has decided to step into this and hopefully put a stop to it. After the law is reviewed, I hope that Justice prosecutes those responsible for trying to impose it. I don't always agree with Obama, but when he does something good like this, I'll be one of the first to thank him. So don't fall over in shock that I am making a favorable Obama post. ;)

This "states rights" crap has got to stop. We have a government. We elected it and the states with drooling morans who run them do not get to supersede the federal government we duly elected.
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DissedByBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 06:44 PM
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44. This reminds me of something
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alp227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 06:59 PM
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46. Nice...so can the DoJ sue Arizona in court over this? n/t
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Plaid Adder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 07:14 PM
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47. Pardon my Anglo-Saxon, but...
...in WHAT fucking UNIVERSE could this fucking law "meet constitutional safeguards"?

I mean, I understand they have to 'review' it before they can do anything about it but...I mean, FUCK! Wouldn't most people construe the Bill of Rights to 'safeguard' people against being picked up off the street for no fucking reason other than skin color and/or perceived national origin?

@#$!,

The Plaid Adder
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 07:34 PM
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LawnKorn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 08:00 PM
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49. K&R
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 08:02 PM
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50. recommend
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 08:35 PM
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51. Good job!
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 08:36 PM
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52. K&R
:toast:
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joeglow3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 08:43 PM
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54. I understand Arizona Voter's Passing this law
Edited on Tue Apr-27-10 08:44 PM by joeglow3
I am again sharing my story here because, oddly enough, no one responded before


The number 2 employer of illegal immigrants is drywall companies. Growing up, my father was a union drywaller. I remember, as a kid, living a good middle class lifestyle. Then, the illegals began to show up locally. Company by company, the unions were busted. Wages dropped year after year. I remember the decline vividly – first the cable disappeared. Next, the family vacations stopped. After that, generic food started showing up at home. Then, we started eating Mac n Cheese, PB&J & Shit on a Shingle a lot more often. I remember my mom patching the holy hell out of our clothes and then, eventually making our clothes.

Fortunately, my father was good at his job and managed to switch to union companies everytime his went non-union.

Whenever there was a big job, the companies with illegals would win the bid. About 10 years ago, the city built a $250M arena and it was filled with illegals. His construction union (local 444) contacted the subs, the contractors and the government. All of them did shit. Finally, they were able to get the local fishwrap to do a piece on it and EVERYONE claimed ignorance (and said they would fix it – i.e. they moved the illegals to all their other jobs and moved the few legal employees to that job).

He eventually made it to retirement age and now has a decent pension. However, we were royally fisted by the apathy of the government. If he would not have been one of the best in his field, we would most likely have ended up on the streets like many of his coworkers.

Now, look at additional problems Arizona is facing: ranchers getting murdered as drug wars spill over the border, hospitals closing their doors because they are bankrupt, etc. Frankly, the Federal Government has not done SHIT and forced Arizona to do something.

While I don’t agree with this bill, maybe it is the kick in the ass our government needs to finally quit pussy-footing around the issue and actually do their jobs.
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classysassy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 10:25 PM
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62. Your ideas and facts
fact one most of the people that come from mexico looking for work get jobs as domestics,fact two fast food chains hire them,fact three day labor,the dry wall workers are union members,next time get your facts straight,don't get them from rush and o'liely.
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joeglow3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 10:44 PM
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63. Quit making shit up
Edited on Tue Apr-27-10 11:01 PM by joeglow3
By all means, call Local 444 and ask them about this.

http://www.merchantcircle.com/business/Carpenters.Local.Union.No.444.402-345-3558

http://www.carpenters-kc.org/

Here is a slide show referencing the very company that hired them (Eliason & Knuth Drywall Co.) - see slide 43

http://www.cpwr.com/pdfs/Immigrants%20in%20Construction.pdf

And here is a reference to the job I was telling you about:

http://www.stopworkerabuse.org/Facts1.htm


Seriously, sticking your fingers in your ears and yelling "LALALALALALA" and throwing out crap like that makes you look like an idiotic jackass. I assure you, the degradation of our meager lifestyle was not told to me by rush and o'liely.

Idiot!
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classysassy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 02:46 PM
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82.  Sir or what ever you are
you must be one of the simple minded clowns that know nothing about this racist state or maybe you are one of the slugs too.so f.o.scum
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joeglow3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 04:09 PM
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84. What???
I simply explained what I personally experienced. I then went on to provide links to the stories documenting what I referenced. And, BTW, the links were to pages on the Construction Worker's Union's website. I said I do not agree with what Arizona has done, but if it spurs the Federal government to do the job they have ignored for decades, the end result will be good.

However, if you have nothing constructive to say and resort to telling people to "f off," that says a LOT more about you than me.
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humbled_opinion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 05:01 PM
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86. Some of the foolish people on here don't get it.
They only see things through a political lens and will champion any talking point that the DLC and their talking heads parrot.

To me they all miss the broader point that illegals are here for jobs and they are treated as slave labor. Next time these posters insult you call them anti-humanists.

Real reform means a guest worker program where migrants are given rights to work in the US lets stop all this racial nonsense.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 05:12 PM
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87. Racial profiling is not an answer to illegal immigration.
And the next time you try to pose as a humanist, you might try not referring to working people as "illegals".

Geezus.
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humbled_opinion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 05:42 PM
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91. LOL
and so how do you distinguish between those Immigrants that migrated to this country legally and those that ran across the border or arrived in shipping containers?

I guess one day when you can actually digest the entire issue you will see how inhumane you are.

You sir, or madam are the poser.
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ItNerd4life Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-10 12:47 PM
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95. How is it racial profiling? The wording is similar to 4th ammendment.
4th ammendment 'unreasonable search and seizures'
Arizona law 'reasonable suspicion'.

They worded it very carefully to turn federal laws into state laws and keep within the wording of the constitution.

What's really sad is the Federal government isn't protecting the borders. That's the root cause issue.
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rapturedbyrobots Donating Member (364 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 01:03 PM
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80. so....
the systematic stagnation of wages creates an economy that DEMANDS cheap labor in order to maintain a minimum level of consumption in pace with inflation...

...and your response is to blame the people who rush in to fill the DEMAND for cheap labor.

great job!
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joeglow3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 01:07 PM
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81. So, your answer is we need to create artificial bubbles
we have seen how well that works out.

great job.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 09:18 PM
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55. Woodamnwho! And the Constitution makes a comeback!
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USA_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 10:21 PM
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61. WHERE ARE THE TEA BAGGERS?????????

They claim they oppose needless government intrusion into people's lives, so where are their demands that this stupid law be erased????
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AMF1 Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 11:33 PM
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64. ARIZONA THREATENS FEDERAL CIVIL RIGHTS LAWS
The illegal immigration situation has deteroated to the point where we now have a state that passed a law that would actually lead to Police Officers being forced to stop and pull over Mexicans under FEDERAL LAW NO STATE CAN MAKE THERE OWN CIVIL RIGHTS LAWS

While obviously it is illegal to cross the Mexico/California border and stay in America permanently unless you are a citizen or a legal immigrant(Noncitizen with permission to be in America) during the 1990’s the American economy was booming,since these were poor,hungry people we were nice about not being to strict with the rules since the economy was good.But now we are in the worst economy since the Great Depression,people in Arizona are mad that a Blackman is President and that the job market dried up.Latino votes put Obama over the top.It’s a known fact that Obama only got about 43% of the White vote.If they can’t kick out African-Americans kicking out illegal immigrants is a way to try and hurt Obama's chances of reelection
Obviously if the Federal Civil Rights Laws say we cannot treat anyone differently.It would be “Separate but equal”, if people who look Mexican can be pulled over.So there are only two options to solve the illegal immigration controversy


Option 1) All Illegal immigrants since they broke a rule will be asked to pay a fine after they pay there fine they can be American citizens


Option 2)A Federal Law would be passed making it illegal for a business to hire anyone who isn’t an American citizen or Legal Immigrant.Then Illegal Immigrants would be escorted out by Homeland Security


Whichever decision is made and I support letting them stay a decision needs to be made NOW WE CAN'T HAVE A STATE MAKING IT'S OWN CIVIL RIGHTS LAWS
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 05:15 PM
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88. Not really. Since the crash, there are far fewer undocumented workers here.
This is a fake crisis brought to you by the Republican party.

And, this law has nothing to do with "solving" immigration.
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newtothegame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 08:15 AM
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74. Thanks for their "concern." nt
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happygoluckytoyou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 09:34 AM
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77. RELATED STORY: 70% AZ favor the new law.... LOL and 30% of population is HISPANIC... do the math !!!
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MikeW Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 05:52 PM
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93. I think people should take a look at this
Its directly from the Welcome to the US - A guide for new immigrants.
http://www.uscis.gov/files/nativedocuments/M-618.pdf

Carrying ID and being required to do so is already set in law so other than the possibility of profiling
I dont see how this differs.

Immigrants are ALREADY required to carry proof of citizenship by federal law.


Permanent residents are issued a valid Permanent Resident
Card (Form I-551) as proof of their legal status in
the United States. Some people call this a “Green Card.”
If you are a permanent resident who is 18 years or
older, you must carry proof of your immigration status.
You must show it to an immigration officer if asked for
it.Your card is valid for 10 years and must be renewed
before it expires.You should file Form I-90 to replace or
renew your Permanent Resident Card.You can get this
form at http://www.uscis.gov or by calling the USCIS
Forms Line. There is a fee to file Form I-90.
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classysassy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-10 03:05 AM
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94. Jan the hag
want the president to send the national guard to arizona,please do and their orders should be arrest Jan and Joe.
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