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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 04:21 PM
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University Of Arizona Prez: We're Losing Students Because Of Immigration Law
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University Of Arizona Prez: We're Losing Students Because Of Immigration Law
Eric Lach | April 30, 2010, 4:27PM


In a letter addressed to the entire school, University of Arizona President Robert Shelton said that the campus has already started to feel the effects of Arizona's new immigration law, and that "a number of" out-of-state students had let the school know they would were changing their plans and would attend other universities.

"This should sadden anyone who cares about attracting the best and brightest students to Arizona," Shelton wrote. "Additionally, large numbers of UA students, faculty, staff and appointed professionals have expressed concerns that they or members of their families or their friends may now be subject to unwarranted detainment by police."

Shelton expressed appreciation for the contributions that foreign students and scholars had made at UA and other American universities. "We must do everything possible to ensure that these students continue to feel welcomed and respected," Shelton wrote. "Despite the unmistakably negative message that this bill sends to many of them."

Shelton told the school that the campus police were being trained in the new law, and assured them that the school's officers would not engage in racial profiling.

Read more: http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/04/university-of-arizona-prez-were-losing-students-because-of-immigration-law.php
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 04:22 PM
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1. What the hell did AZ think would happen
when they passed such a draconian law?
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The Wielding Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 04:26 PM
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3. I don't think that the University had any say-so on passing this law.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 04:29 PM
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6. If they were concerned, the time for protest was BEFORE it passed
not after the fact.

So no one at the University even knew this was on the radar? I find that difficult to believe.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 07:01 PM
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17. Republicans wouldn't have listened to anything university professors had to say
The party and its supporters are proudly ignorant, bigoted and fearful. It's part of their nature.
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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 07:52 PM
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27. That's the truth. They don't even tell the Dems on committees when the meetings are
according to Kristen Sinema a Democratic state legislator. Heck, I don't think the Republican leadership talks to the rank and file Republicans. They take calls from Grover Norquist though. I think they run the Legislature in the same way the LDS church is run - the Republican leadership is mostly LDS.
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alp227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 07:57 PM
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28. And Republicans think academics are liberal pinheads.
Edited on Fri Apr-30-10 07:58 PM by alp227
The "liberal bias" meme extends to academia in addition to the news media. Think about that ex-liberal David Horowitz, who now lives his life now calling out alleged liberalism, especially political correctness, anti-Americanism, and excessive empathy with Islam and non-Western cultures, on college campuses. Would you think that the Republicans in the Arizona Legislature would even bother listening to the administration of UA? The Repubs would say "Pssh, those silly, overpaid head honchos of that liberal-brainwashing institution!"
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 04:27 PM
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5. they probably expected a bit of attention that would die down
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 05:06 PM
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11. They thought only illegal aliens would start to go elsewhere
and it would serve that state right if that happens, too, since most of that state runs on the backs of illegal aliens who do the underpaid grunt work.
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Bette Noir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 05:37 PM
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14. What you said.
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caseymoz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 07:13 PM
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20. They thought in actuality people thought like them.

Like the teabaggers, they have a delusion that they speak for the majority of the country.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 11:28 PM
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33. You can bet Tucson and the University of AZ community did not support this law
It's the crazy Republicans mostly centered in the Phoenix suburbs that create most of the madness in that state.
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marshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 09:13 AM
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38. I think they (or some of them) wanted the feds to change the law
Either give amnesty or enforce existing law on a federal level.

They've basically taken Rangel's argument about the draft and applied it here. Rangel kept harping about how he wanted a draft to be instituted, when in actuality what he wanted was for the war to be stopped.
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SocialistLez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 04:24 PM
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2. Could he not have spoken out BEFORE the law was passed? NT
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 04:26 PM
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4. Hope it makes recruiting football & basketball players hell for the U
I'm a Wildcat fan, but the bigotry of the law needs to be illustrated to those sitting on the fence of the issue. Sports fans abound there and many are really fanatics for their teams. If common sense and doing what is right escapes them, maybe they will notice when they can't get the big players recruited.

Traffic, on the other hand, should be a lot lighter in Tucson.
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 04:31 PM
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7. They are also getting negative comments from pro baseball and other
pro sports organizations...some of them players are... you know...immigrants?
Probably lose lots of tourists and business as well.

Might get pretty empty in Arizona soon, except for the protesters and the Nazis...




mark
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 04:45 PM
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8. Some foreign players and families have complicated papers

Pro teams come to special arrangements with the State Department for some players and their families. AZ police won't understand the papers and will arrest the players.

MLB's player association made this point in their statement.
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 07:04 PM
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18. Their hockey team only has 4 players born in the US
4, out of 30.
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chollybocker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 07:25 PM
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22. Even the gods of hockey are angry at AZ.
Edited on Fri Apr-30-10 07:26 PM by chollybocker
That's why the Wings won game 7 in Pheonix on Tuesday. ;)

Otherwise, there would have been Coyotes games next week, vs. San Jose. Might have seen some interesting protests....

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elias7 Donating Member (913 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 04:54 PM
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10. threats to move the all-star game n/t
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 04:46 PM
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9. K&R



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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 07:32 PM
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24. Excellent depiction in your graphic!
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 05:08 PM
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12. Good on those students! n/t
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Bette Noir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 05:36 PM
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13. Ha ha.
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MetaTrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 06:15 PM
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15. No doubt somebody wants to keep foreign students enrolled there
http://toyfj40.freeshell.org/Stories/AZnov4.html

Someone whose activities in Arizona have been very well documented, however, is Hani Hanjour, one of the hijackers who smashed American Airlines flight 77 into the Pentagon on September 11th.

Hanjour moved from Saudi Arabia to Tucson in 1991 and enrolled in the University of Arizona when he was just 19 years old. He lived within walking distance of ICT, and authorities, as well as Hanjour’s family, believe he developed radically fundamentalist beliefs while in Tucson.

In 1996, Hanjour began flight training in Arizona, enrolling in Scottsdale’s CRM Airline Training Center. He ultimately earned a commercial pilot certificate, issued by the Federal Aviation Administration, in April 1999. In the spring of 2000, however, he trained in Afghanistan and Pakistan. In early 2001, Hanjour and fellow hijacker Nawaf al Hazmi–who was in Central Asia with Hanjour from December 2000 to April 2001–trained at a flight school in Mesa, completing this phase of their education by the end of March 2001.
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demigoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 06:47 PM
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16. repeal the d***n law
"We must do everything possible to ensure that these students continue to feel welcomed and respected," Shelton wrote. "Despite the unmistakably negative message that this bill sends to many of them."
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 07:05 PM
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19. Tip of the iceberg.
More to come.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 07:33 PM
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25. +1
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Robeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 09:10 PM
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30. I agree...
...I hope this serves as an example to other right-wing state legislators in this country. Shit talks, money walks.
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harkadog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 07:18 PM
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21. Both ASU and U of Arizona turn down most out-of-state applications
If someone is not coming there will be 10 more to take their place.
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 08:06 PM
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29. Lots of binge drinkers lined up to go to an academically dodgy party school.
Not exactly something to brag about.
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harkadog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 11:20 PM
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32. Who was bragging?
Someone posting seemed to think it would hurt the schools if someone did not come there. It won't. Yes ASU and UA are party schools. I went to ASU, had fun, and people have given me jobs because of where I went.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 11:31 PM
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34. U of A is top notch in many areas
With tons of research money too.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 07:29 PM
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23. That band of rabid AZ lawmakers are causing way
more problems then they can handle.

Good for the UofA..I went there way back in the last century.
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Mosby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 07:35 PM
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26. None of the police dept's in Az are going to enforce this
and everyone knows this. And if your a foreign student by all means don't come to AZ for your education. Some other US state can subsidize you.
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western mass Donating Member (718 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 03:42 AM
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36. You do realize foreign students pay more $$$, right?
Foreign and out of state students bring in cash. They're the ones doing the subsidizing.

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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 06:06 AM
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37. Don't think Mosby understands that, just wants foreign students to subsidize 'Muricans in
some other state. OTOH, maybe Arizonans are rich enough that high tuition doesn't matter to them or the state is so flush with money that funding higher education is not the issue that it is in Ohio where tuition rates keep going up. ;)
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 09:58 PM
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31. If you "train" someone to the "new law" you are unavoidably training them to racism.
I would never dream of sending either of my sons to Arizona for any reason, not even to see the Grand Canyon.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 01:27 AM
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35. Anti intellectual atmospheres will do that
Good for the president for making a statement on inclusion.

But this is what happens. Guess what's next? Companies thinking of locating in Arizona will think
twice and those with Latino workforces or markets will most assuredly think long and hard before
relocating to Arizona.

I see New Mexico receiving major benefits from Arizona's failed policies.
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