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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 09:04 AM
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New NATO idea to avoid killing innocent Afghans
Source: Associated Press

FORWARD OPERATING BASE RAMROD, Afghanistan – NATO commanders are weighing a new way to reduce civilian casualties in Afghanistan: recognizing soldiers for "courageous restraint" if they avoid using force that could endanger innocent lives.
The concept comes as the coalition continues to struggle with the problem of civilian casualties despite repeated warnings from the top NATO commander, Gen. Stanley McChrystal, that the war effort hinges on the ability to protect the population and win support away from the Taliban.
Those who back the idea hope it will provide soldiers with another incentive to think twice before calling in an airstrike or firing at an approaching vehicle if civilians could be at risk.
Most military awards in the past have been given for things like soldiers taking out a machine gun nest or saving their buddies in a firefight, said Command Sgt. Maj. Michael Hall, the senior NATO enlisted man in Afghanistan.

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100504/ap_on_re_as/as_afghan_courageous_restraint;_ylt=Ak8SJ94RRiR5QDdmceUv26us0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTQycWFrZXZpBGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMTAwNTA0L2FzX2FmZ2hhbl9jb3VyYWdlb3VzX3Jlc3RyYWludARjY29kZQNtb3N0cG9wdWxhcgRjcG9zAzQEcG9zAzEEcHQDaG9t
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 09:06 AM
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1. I know a more effective way we can avoid killing innocent Afghans.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 09:08 AM
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2. Your plan of letting the Taliban do the killing instead
is poor one
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 10:10 AM
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9. Yes, it's so much more enjoyable for you warhawks when
we get to do the killing. :eyes:
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 10:13 AM
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10. Your label maker seems to be broken
as is your failed views of the world. You can try and hide the truth that your plan involves the sacrifice of 100,000s of Afghan civilians (the ones that supported the United States) but I am not about to let you get away with it.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 10:17 AM
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11. Yeah, we'll see whose views are failed
when the US leaves, just like every other empire before them.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 10:20 AM
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12. Seeing how the President has already said the US is not staying more than 18 months
that's a pretty lame prediction
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 10:23 AM
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13. Again:
We'll see. Your faith in government agencies keeping their word is disturbing, at best.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 10:23 AM
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14. In a democracy the government is us (the people) so it's you that has the problem
of not trusting yourself.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 10:24 AM
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15. "of the people" yeah, right
Edited on Tue May-04-10 10:26 AM by ixion
Have some more Kool-Aid® :eyes:

Naive, in the extreme, in my opinion.

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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 10:29 AM
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16. You want some more tinfoil?
Edited on Tue May-04-10 10:29 AM by NJmaverick
:tinfoilhat:
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 11:41 AM
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18. LOLOLOL!!! 18 months?!?! He never said we'll be
out of Afghanistan in 18 months. We won't be out by the end of his first term, and likely not the end of his second term. Get your FACTS before you spout off.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 06:11 PM
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20. Still waiting on that link that Obama
said "the US is not staying more than 18 months". Because all he ever said is that we hope to start to bring home the surge in 18 months. Just hopefully start in 18 months. That is a far cry from "not staying more than 18 months". A very far cry, probably years off.
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Flaneur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 12:42 PM
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19. Hyperventilate much?
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 09:16 AM
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3. we will not undo 10,000 years of afghan tribal cultural behaviors nt
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 09:34 AM
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6. Yes, those primitive savages will never change.
Nice progressive attitude there. :eyes:
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FailureToCommunicate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 09:20 AM
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4. Giving soldiers medals for NOT killing. This could catch on!
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ret5hd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 09:30 AM
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5. Will that medal be regarded as an honor or a "scarlet letter"?
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Jumping John Donating Member (597 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 09:36 AM
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7. So officers can say that yea you killed the parents but used restraint by not killing the
baby and children - so here's your medal?
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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 10:09 AM
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8. Hey, it's a start ...
You expect sanity perfection on the first attempt?
:shrug:
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pattmarty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 11:28 AM
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17. C'mon, after nine fucking years? Who's kidding who? I am beginning.............
..............to see Vietnam all over again.
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laststeamtrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 06:15 PM
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21. I LOVE this thread. I really LOVE this poster. He knows his shit. n/t.
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 07:19 PM
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22. bring all the troops home today would be my
choice.
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elias49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 08:48 PM
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23. Courageous Restraint Medal??
You must be shitting me. Is this an "Onion' satire or has Stanley finally lost his fucking mind?

:rofl:

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