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kpete (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 09:28 AM Original message |
US school for disabled forces students to wear packs that deliver massive electric shocks |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 09:37 AM Response to Original message |
1. What the hell? |
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Divine Discontent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 10:36 AM Response to Reply #1 |
21. HELL is a good word for it. people just can't wrap their tiny brains around the abuse of others |
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Dystopian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 09:09 PM Response to Reply #21 |
137. I will. |
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ensho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 09:37 AM Response to Original message |
2. good grief! this must stop immediately |
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conservdem (880 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 08:38 PM Response to Reply #2 |
135. One parent of a student a the place apparently wrote the following |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-08-10 11:30 PM Response to Reply #135 |
201. That "proud parent" deserves a smack in the face! |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 09:37 AM Response to Original message |
3. Grrrr. Had a friend who was attached to such a device. She wasn't disabled, |
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earcandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 11:41 AM Response to Reply #3 |
47. The aristocracy who funds, builds and authorizes this shit has gone mad. |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 01:24 PM Response to Reply #47 |
82. the father was an evangelist. |
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cstanleytech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 02:00 PM Response to Reply #47 |
90. "aristocracy"? Ugh, its comments like that that make me cringe and wince almost |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 05:43 PM Response to Reply #90 |
111. If they thought this was the "right" way to "treat" disabled people, they had to resist reality with |
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cstanleytech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 08:22 PM Response to Reply #111 |
185. Hey, you will get no argument from me about this not being the right way to treat these people |
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earcandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 03:45 PM Response to Reply #90 |
179. Unless you are blind, it is the ARISTOCRACY who funds, and deregulates, and passes laws that allow |
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cstanleytech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 08:25 PM Response to Reply #179 |
186. No, I'm pretty sure its not a "ARISTOCRACY", now a Plutocracy.......maybe. |
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earcandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-08-10 09:24 PM Response to Reply #186 |
197. Hidden government? With C-Span pointing out how much money it takes to buy which of those bastards |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-08-10 11:31 PM Response to Reply #90 |
202. Thjey also thought LOBOTOMIES were a good way to treat people. |
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barbtries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 12:12 PM Response to Reply #3 |
57. oh my gawd |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 01:27 PM Response to Reply #57 |
84. This is why we are a nation of laws, otherwise we'd descend into barbarism. |
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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 09:45 AM Response to Original message |
4. WTF? There is no reason in the world this should be happening |
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Moonwalk (437 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 02:57 PM Response to Reply #4 |
98. Autistic like behavior!? Excuse me? You get autistic-like behavior... |
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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 03:27 PM Response to Reply #98 |
101. I know, the entire approach is fucking insane imo. |
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OneTenthofOnePercent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 09:45 AM Response to Original message |
5. Where might one procure such a device? |
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Tuvok Obama (380 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 02:39 PM Response to Reply #5 |
95. The device is manufactured by the Judge Rotenberg Educational Center |
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Frank Cannon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 12:09 AM Response to Reply #5 |
203. On Triskelion |
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drm604 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 09:51 AM Original message |
Oh My God! |
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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 09:51 AM Response to Original message |
6. Help the children, please call, email or fax MA's Governor Patrick. |
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FedUpWithIt All (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 10:20 AM Response to Reply #6 |
13. Email sent. Shame on them for looking away as vulnerable children suffered like this. |
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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 10:44 AM Response to Reply #13 |
25. Thank you, I'm going to keep bumping this thread. We can at least try |
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FedUpWithIt All (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 10:50 AM Response to Reply #25 |
26. It is too disturbing to be believed. |
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KamaAina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 11:21 AM Response to Reply #6 |
37. Sadly, it's not just children |
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xxqqqzme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 11:40 AM Response to Reply #6 |
46. This needs to go to Rachel Maddow |
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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 11:45 AM Response to Reply #46 |
49. GREAT idea, thank you! n/t |
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PSzymeczek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 08:54 PM Response to Reply #46 |
136. Try rachel@msnbc.com |
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Election_Correction (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 09:54 AM Response to Original message |
7. This isn't their first time in the news |
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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 09:56 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Then they need to hear more of us yelling, this is disgusting and should be illegal! |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 05:56 PM Response to Reply #7 |
114. Yet the story comes out again only now, when Patrick is up for re-election. |
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CoffeeCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 09:55 AM Response to Original message |
8. This is the most disgusting thing... |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 10:11 AM Response to Reply #8 |
11. I can't imagine how constantly frightened and confused they must have felt-- |
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gordianot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 10:04 AM Response to Original message |
10. This sort of thing has happened before, at that time even Republicans found it disgusting. |
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barbtries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 12:18 PM Response to Reply #10 |
58. i clicked on the pdf file |
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web978 (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 10:12 AM Response to Original message |
12. Sounds like a teabagger's wet dream. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 01:05 PM Response to Reply #12 |
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FarLeftFist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 10:26 AM Response to Original message |
14. Who the hell is running that place, Pinochet?! n/t |
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loudsue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 11:44 AM Response to Reply #14 |
48. Prolly Rumsfeld or Cheney. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 06:03 PM Response to Reply #48 |
115. Massachusetts Governor Patrick was elected with the help of Obama, who, |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 01:06 PM Response to Reply #14 |
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alp227 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 10:27 AM Response to Original message |
15. I thought electroshock therapy was obsolete already |
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caseymoz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 10:41 AM Response to Reply #15 |
22. Electroshock therapy is something totally different. |
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Cronus Protagonist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 11:25 AM Response to Reply #22 |
41. I'm left wondernig how low is "extremely low"? |
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caseymoz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 12:47 PM Response to Reply #41 |
68. I don't know. I've had it done. It worked. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 06:24 PM Response to Reply #68 |
121. that is a brave post, casey. Kudos for being so open--and on a message board, too. |
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badgerpup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 07:04 PM Response to Reply #68 |
127. Carrie Fisher talks about having this treatment for her BPD... |
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tpsbmam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 08:05 PM Response to Reply #68 |
134. Indeed, a brave post, Casey. And you're right |
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mwooldri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 11:04 AM Response to Reply #15 |
31. ECT therapy is still very much in use ... |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 06:06 PM Response to Reply #15 |
116. Actually, electroshock therapy is back in use, albeit in an improved form. But, as another poster |
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Kadie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 10:32 AM Response to Original message |
16. WTF? |
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tblue37 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 01:06 PM Response to Reply #16 |
76. Mainly because they like to. You can't tell me that there are not sadists in that |
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D23MIURG23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 10:32 AM Response to Original message |
17. Holy shit. Completely fucking appaling. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 10:33 AM Response to Original message |
18. Hard to tell the difference between Hitler's barbarism and America's these days -- !!! |
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BanzaiBonnie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 10:34 AM Response to Original message |
19. I've written to the governor of Massachusetts |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 10:34 AM Response to Original message |
20. These peple need to go to jail. n/t |
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melm00se (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 10:44 AM Response to Reply #20 |
24. that seems to be the problem |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 10:51 AM Response to Reply #24 |
27. I have no problem with them being jailed by the internatioal court... |
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Christa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 10:42 AM Response to Original message |
23. Sickening |
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ck4829 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 10:57 AM Response to Original message |
28. Even more sickening, they're shown a VIDEO as to how it works |
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awoke_in_2003 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 12:00 PM Response to Reply #28 |
55. "They hit you with the stuff" |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 10:57 AM Response to Original message |
29. WTF?!?! |
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camio (43 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 11:01 AM Response to Original message |
30. The school's rebuttal is an interesting read. |
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cornermouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 11:17 AM Response to Reply #30 |
35. Only if you're the Marquis de Sade. |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 11:17 AM Response to Reply #30 |
36. Yeah, I thought so, too. |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 10:28 AM Response to Reply #36 |
166. That would be a compelling argument |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 11:21 AM Response to Reply #30 |
38. I'd like a rebuttal to: "Electric Shocks Can Continue at Mass. School After Hoax" |
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tblue37 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 01:09 PM Response to Reply #38 |
78. The fact that they accepted and carried out those instructions suggests that the |
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enlightenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 03:40 PM Response to Reply #78 |
102. It certainly proves Milgram's theory, to a degree. |
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mbperrin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 12:54 PM Response to Reply #30 |
70. The school is a throwback to the discredited meanderings of the minds |
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NoodleyAppendage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 10:16 PM Response to Reply #70 |
143. Uhhh...no. Watson and Skinner have not been discredited. Their theories are well established. |
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mbperrin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 11:57 PM Response to Reply #143 |
157. Might want to check the Wellesley Center, Bandura, and others |
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CAcyclist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 09:42 AM Response to Reply #157 |
164. Clicker training - google it |
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mbperrin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 10:39 AM Response to Reply #164 |
167. Negative reinforcement is simply punishment by another name, and |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 10:31 PM Response to Reply #167 |
189. I work with horses on a daily basis so I'm comfortable and familiar with behavior mod training |
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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 10:38 PM Response to Reply #189 |
190. None of us know the conditions of the children at this school? |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 11:16 PM Response to Reply #190 |
194. I just know from my own experience that there are two sides to every story. |
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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 08:07 AM Response to Reply #194 |
195. The full picture is there, and has been for years, the politics of it is |
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NoodleyAppendage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 08:09 PM Response to Reply #157 |
184. I think Zimbardo would disagree with your assessment of Milgram. Ever heard of the UC Prison Exper? |
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mbperrin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 10:22 PM Response to Reply #184 |
188. Yep, unethical, anecdotal, unscientific. 1971, 39 years ago. |
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NoodleyAppendage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 10:44 PM Response to Reply #188 |
192. Will give it a read. Thanks for the rec. n/t |
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Egnever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 03:19 PM Response to Reply #30 |
100. agreed |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 10:25 AM Response to Reply #30 |
165. The school's rebuttal is horseshit |
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snagglepuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 11:15 AM Response to Original message |
32. . |
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deacon_sephiroth (315 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 11:16 AM Response to Original message |
33. K/R |
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harry_pothead (752 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 11:16 AM Response to Original message |
34. This is an atrocity. |
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Desertrose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 11:22 AM Response to Original message |
39. What kind of people do this to children?? |
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Danger Mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 07:12 PM Response to Reply #39 |
128. What kind of people do this to children? |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 02:09 PM Response to Reply #39 |
168. Parents who see sadism |
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KamaAina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 11:23 AM Response to Original message |
40. I once had the dubious privilege of meeting JRC director Matt Israel |
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CoffeeCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 12:58 PM Response to Reply #40 |
74. What was this subhuman creature like? |
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KamaAina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 01:19 PM Response to Reply #74 |
81. He personifies Hannah Arendt's famous phrase "the banality of evil" |
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KamaAina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 11:25 AM Response to Original message |
42. Still one step ahead of the law |
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tblue37 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 01:11 PM Response to Reply #42 |
79. I wonder if he is getting some sort of kickback. nt |
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femmedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 06:18 PM Response to Reply #42 |
118. I remember when they were in RI. |
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KamaAina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 11:27 AM Response to Original message |
43. This clearly demonstrates how low people with disabilities are on our society's totem pole |
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BrklynLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 11:32 AM Response to Original message |
44. I cannot properly express my astonishment and disgust!!!! |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 11:35 AM Response to Original message |
45. One former student's statement in response to a Boston Globe article. |
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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 11:53 AM Response to Reply #45 |
52. To suggest that he could not have made accomplishments without |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 05:31 PM Response to Reply #52 |
109. And yet it is his opinion. nt |
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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 05:52 PM Response to Reply #109 |
112. An opinion based on no alternative comprehensive treatment. n/t |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 06:46 PM Response to Reply #112 |
124. Did you read the full letter? He had years of treatment before this. n/t |
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BanzaiBonnie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 12:27 PM Response to Reply #45 |
63. Hmmmm... wonder if another way would get the same results |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 05:33 PM Response to Reply #63 |
110. His letter details the other types of treatment that he had undergone, including |
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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 05:55 PM Response to Reply #110 |
113. And that proves what? Medication and positive and negative reinforcements |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 06:46 PM Response to Reply #113 |
123. But we don't really know what else would have worked in his particular case. |
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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 07:16 PM Response to Reply #123 |
129. Of course I read his full letter, and it does not change the fact that |
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cornermouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 12:56 PM Response to Reply #45 |
73. Some facts about autism from 2 reputable sources. |
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Solly Mack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 11:50 AM Response to Original message |
50. WTF |
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Angry Dragon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 11:51 AM Response to Original message |
51. K&R |
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Trillo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 11:54 AM Response to Original message |
53. Schools? Delivering shocks? |
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Tailormyst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 11:55 AM Response to Original message |
54. OMG |
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LisaM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 12:08 PM Response to Original message |
56. This is a charter school, BTW |
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Dinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 10:40 PM Response to Reply #56 |
191. Well, Well, Well |
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Ilsa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 12:21 PM Response to Original message |
59. As the mother of a disabled child (severe autism), this grotesque |
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Blackhatjack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 12:25 PM Response to Original message |
60. So I guess the numbers are in, must be 'safe' to use on the general population |
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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 12:25 PM Response to Original message |
61. Just look at the table of contents from the report, and please contact |
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Trillo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 01:42 PM Response to Reply #61 |
87. Oh my.... its like a war. |
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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 02:25 PM Response to Reply #87 |
93. Sadistic and the practice needs to end. |
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cutlassmama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 03:04 PM Response to Reply #87 |
99. Wonder how many will grow up with PTSD or become serial killers |
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barbtries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 12:26 PM Response to Original message |
62. website for the place: |
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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 12:39 PM Response to Reply #62 |
67. Children are born with disorders that do greatly impact their ability |
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barbtries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 01:13 PM Response to Reply #67 |
80. read the comments at raw story |
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Drops_not_Dope (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 04:16 PM Response to Reply #80 |
104. JUDGE BACKS DISCIPLINE AT INSTITUTE FOR AUTISTIC - NYT |
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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 06:21 PM Response to Reply #104 |
119. Thank you for the link. I'm curious about many statements the judge makes. |
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Drops_not_Dope (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 09:34 PM Response to Reply #119 |
138. You might find this interesting |
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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 11:21 PM Response to Reply #138 |
153. This school and the legal history behind it is amazing, so thanks |
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bethfully (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 01:39 PM Response to Reply #67 |
86. I totally agree |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 12:27 PM Response to Original message |
64. What? WHAT?! BF Skinner was more humane to his damn rats than these people are to children! |
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Kitty Herder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 12:32 PM Response to Original message |
65. I have no words. |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 12:33 PM Response to Original message |
66. so the state officials in massachusetts looked the other way.... |
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BanzaiBonnie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 12:50 PM Response to Original message |
69. I believe Mr. Israel should be investigated |
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Danger Mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 07:19 PM Response to Reply #69 |
130. I remember hearing about this sick asshole a couple years back. |
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jillan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 12:56 PM Response to Original message |
71. Some of these children may not even understand why this is happening to them. |
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ironrooster (273 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 12:56 PM Response to Original message |
72. How very "Dickensian" |
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NoodleyAppendage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 01:25 PM Response to Original message |
83. These kids would beat their heads into a bloody pulp without severe behavioral control. |
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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 02:18 PM Response to Reply #83 |
91. This is not a knee jerk reaction, there are numerous treatments for |
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FedUpWithIt All (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 04:10 PM Response to Reply #83 |
103. And the blind and deaf girl who was shocked for whimpering because her broken tooth caused her pain? |
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Iowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 05:05 PM Response to Reply #83 |
108. Oh c'mon, this isn't rocket science... |
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NoodleyAppendage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 10:11 PM Response to Reply #108 |
142. The problem rests with the critics. The technique works, so which is better... |
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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 10:26 PM Response to Reply #142 |
145. Supposedly humane non-effective treatments? If you can't tell |
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NoodleyAppendage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 10:30 PM Response to Reply #145 |
146. So, I guess you'd prefer to medicate/sedate them? That's not treating...only controlling sx. n/t |
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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 10:56 PM Response to Reply #146 |
152. Not everything is either or, what goes on at that school should be |
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FreedomRain (164 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 12:29 AM Response to Reply #146 |
159. answer the question or stop apologizing for these jerks |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 03:35 PM Response to Reply #146 |
174. Each child is an individual |
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Iowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 11:31 PM Response to Reply #142 |
155. Wrong on all counts... |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 03:34 PM Response to Reply #142 |
173. There is NO evidence this treatment works |
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FreedomRain (164 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 12:22 AM Response to Reply #108 |
158. ignore this post |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 09:36 PM Response to Reply #83 |
139. I teach those kids. This is inhumane, and it's torture. |
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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 11:25 PM Response to Reply #139 |
154. +100 |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 03:31 PM Response to Reply #83 |
172. Again, this excuse is meaningless in the face of the evidence |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-08-10 11:23 PM Response to Reply #83 |
199. Oh look, an apologist for torturing autistic kids! |
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Jackpine Radical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 01:34 PM Response to Original message |
85. I once supervised a shock program. |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 01:59 PM Response to Reply #85 |
89. Jackpine is right not to jump the gun here... I saw a documentary on this school |
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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 02:21 PM Response to Reply #89 |
92. To suggest there is no better nor more appropriate way to deal |
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Jackpine Radical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 09:43 PM Response to Reply #92 |
141. There may very well be better and more appropriate ways to deal with SIB. |
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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 10:51 PM Response to Reply #141 |
150. This treatment exists today, and under what justification? And my |
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GodlessBiker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 02:43 PM Response to Reply #89 |
97. Sometimes torture does give you the desired results. Do the ends justify it? |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 10:41 PM Response to Reply #97 |
149. All I can say is in the documentary I saw the damage kids were doing was far far worse |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 03:45 PM Response to Reply #149 |
178. Again |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 03:40 PM Response to Reply #89 |
175. A documentary? |
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NoodleyAppendage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 10:19 PM Response to Reply #85 |
144. Thank you! The first sensible post on this thread! n/t |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 06:24 AM Response to Reply #85 |
160. Thanks for Pointing This Out - It May Be The Least Horrible of Alternatives |
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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 08:12 AM Response to Reply #160 |
162. Massachusetts courts wouldn't consent if it were torture? |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 03:48 PM Response to Reply #160 |
180. Moderate shocks? |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 03:42 PM Response to Reply #85 |
176. So you saw it justified for use on 1 patient in 600 |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-08-10 11:27 PM Response to Reply #85 |
200. I hope you like all that bad karma you have built up from torturing people. |
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Richard D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 01:48 PM Response to Original message |
88. FUCK THAT! |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 03:50 PM Response to Reply #88 |
181. Yes, it has been verified |
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edwinmathews (86 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 02:35 PM Response to Original message |
94. I had a feeling there was another side |
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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 02:43 PM Response to Reply #94 |
96. And this negates the report how? n/t |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 09:42 PM Response to Reply #94 |
140. If you call their propaganda the other side . . . |
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MiaCulpa (741 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 10:55 PM Response to Reply #94 |
151. another side to the story? |
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johnroshan (333 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 04:28 PM Response to Original message |
105. Why didn't the staff report these deplorable practices earlier? Obedience.. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 06:23 PM Response to Reply #105 |
120. My guess: politics. Patrick is up for re-election in November and the Brown victory |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 03:54 PM Response to Reply #105 |
182. The staff memebers are also kept under CLOSE surveillance |
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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 04:07 PM Response to Reply #182 |
183. I highly doubt this will ever happen, but I so want to see this |
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johnroshan (333 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 11:12 PM Response to Reply #182 |
193. What the fuck! |
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Carter Hayes (47 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 04:29 PM Response to Original message |
106. What a sick sad pathetic world we live in |
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Carter Hayes (47 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 04:39 PM Response to Original message |
107. Nazism is alive and well :( |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 06:13 PM Response to Original message |
117. Pretty Sick... I didn't Know this Was Going on In Mass |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 06:34 PM Response to Original message |
122. This is horrifying. |
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Danger Mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 07:02 PM Response to Original message |
125. This is beyond barbaric. |
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and-justice-for-all (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 07:03 PM Response to Original message |
126. I think that is TORTURE...nt |
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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 07:32 PM Response to Original message |
131. Interview with the founder of this school. |
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Danger Mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 07:41 PM Response to Reply #131 |
132. 'I'm a sick pig. I thought it would be good for a laugh.' |
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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 07:47 PM Response to Reply #132 |
133. Shocking how and why this school's practices continue, I had never heard |
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troubledamerican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 10:31 PM Response to Original message |
147. "Common sense solutions for Real Americans" |
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Wednesdays (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 10:39 PM Response to Original message |
148. K&R |
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undergroundpanther (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 11:55 PM Response to Original message |
156. behaviorism is evil |
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dogday (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 07:37 AM Response to Original message |
161. Might I suggest that anyone who remotely has anything to do |
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southern_belle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 08:51 AM Response to Original message |
163. OMG!!!! |
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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 03:19 PM Response to Original message |
169. Senator Joyce Applauds Justice Department Investigation of Judge Rotenberg Center |
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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 03:23 PM Response to Original message |
170. Joyce applauds documentation of human rights abuses at JRC |
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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 03:28 PM Response to Original message |
171. Joyce's bills would curb shock treatments at Canton school |
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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 03:42 PM Response to Original message |
177. Hideous torture techniques paid largely with tax payer dollars, at least |
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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 09:10 PM Response to Original message |
187. More background on Mr. Torture |
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mstinamotorcity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 08:28 AM Response to Original message |
196. People act as if they have |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-08-10 11:19 PM Response to Original message |
198. The Autistic Rights cammunity has been going after this hellhole for a while, now. |
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