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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 08:36 PM
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CNBC: A Citigroup Trader Made The Big Fat Finger Error
Source: Business Insider


Reports from CNBC and our own sources suggest that it was a Citigroup (C) trader that accidentally entered a sell BILLION-size sell trade, when they meant to do million.

Since the market came back and only ended down over 3%, all the focus now is on what happened. There's going to be an investigation into Proctor & Gamble (PG) trading, Accenture (ACN) and the market as a whole.





Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/cnbc-a-citigroup-trader-made-the-big-fat-finger-error-2010-5
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 08:42 PM
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1. oops... Wonder what that trader will be doing for a living next year
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 08:49 PM
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8. They have to maintain "talent"
he will get a raise
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 08:55 PM
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9. Providing crowd-size estimates for tea bagger protests
what else?
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 07:23 PM
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28. That is funny!
Took me a second to get it..but when I did, I laughed out loud!!
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 07:44 PM
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29. :-)
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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 08:14 PM
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30. DUzy!!!
:rofl:
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 08:42 PM
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2. Well ,this ought to restore everybodies faith in the magic hand of the market, eh? nt
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 09:03 PM
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10. .
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 08:43 PM
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3. how reassuring
Edited on Thu May-06-10 09:05 PM by CountAllVotes
I feel safe now. Buy, buy, buy, buy, buy, buy, buy ..............


:dem:

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neverforget Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 08:44 PM
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4. Seriously, how on Earth can one trader cause so much chaos?
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 08:48 PM
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5. Because incredible amounts of wealth are concentrated in very small areas.
That "one trader" was effectively trading for millions of people.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 08:49 PM
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7. The same thing happened in Japan 5 years ago
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=8287605&mesg_id=8287612


but hey they are paid for being so damned talented that everyone forgot that
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 08:49 PM
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6. Keep in mind, there's at least a 10-14-17 second delay with broadcasting . . ..
is this case where a fat finger gets to be uncorrectable?

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Journeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 09:14 PM
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11. And anyone who knew that mistake was coming made a fortune. . .
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Po_d Mainiac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 09:21 PM
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12. Ya beat me to it..LIHOP n/t
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Journeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 09:40 PM
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13. It reminds me of George W.'s "slip of the tongue" in 2002, when he sent the Yen plummeting. . .
Speaking to a group in Tokyo, he let slip a statement on "devaluation" and the Yen fell through the floor. Within moments, aides hastily pointed out he meant "deflation" and the value of the Yen returned to its original point. But for those few moments anyone who knew that statement was coming stood to make a fortune, and probably did. The press wrote it off as "yet another Bushism," one of those "endearing gaffes that make him so popular" (remember, this was 2002). But I saw it differently. And ever since, I can only see such "errors" through the prism of BushCo deception and deceit.
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SpartanDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 09:55 PM
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15. The NYSE and the NADAQ are wiping out the trades
so they aren't keeping the money
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mbperrin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 11:30 PM
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22. Any link for that?
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SpartanDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 11:49 PM
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24. sure do
The Nasdaq Stock Market will cancel trades of stocks that moved 60% above or below the last price at 2:40 p.m. and 3 p.m. EDT Thursday
trading error is being blamed for a wild swing in the stock market on Thursday, during which the Dow at one point lost almost 1,000 points before closing down 348.NYSE Arca also will cancel electronic trades in the same time frame, said Katrina Clay, an NYSE Euronext spokeswoman. Nasdaq OMX Group issued the following statment after the market close Thursday: "NASDAQ reported that we had no technology or system issues associated with the trading that occurred between 2:00 and 3:00 p.m. ET today. Our market close process ran successfully. We have coordinated a process among US Exchanges and therefore, pursuant to rule 11890(b), NASDAQ, on its own motion, will cancel all trades executed between 14:40:00 and 15:00:00 greater than or less than 60% away from the consolidated last print in that security at 14:40:00 or immediately prior.



http://www.thestreet.com/story/10749500/1/nasdaq-nyse-arca-to-cancel-60-swing-trades-in-selloff.html?cm_ven=GOOGLEN
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Nye Bevan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 09:44 PM
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14. Good thing he didn't hit the "gazillion" button (nt)
Edited on Thu May-06-10 09:44 PM by Nye Bevan
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Zoeisright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 11:20 PM
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21. Or 'brazilion'.
;-)
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tomm2thumbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 10:06 PM
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16. or was this someone from another country breaking into the system?

RealTime with Bill Maher had Richard Clarke on it warning about just something like this happening on April 23rd, and we all know they would cover up the computer break-in if it did happen because no one would ever admit the system has vulnerabilities that would drop the market so easily.

What makes more sense? Someone typed a 'Billion' on a trade, or something was able to get into the system and trigger this? I go with the latter.
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tomm2thumbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 10:09 PM
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17. Rachel's interview with Richard Clarke on cyber vulnerability
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 10:59 PM
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18. Citigroup denied this today.
Edited on Thu May-06-10 11:01 PM by girl gone mad
There had already been 20 minutes of pure selling (dow down ~500 pts) before this trade was even supposedly entered so to blame it for the fall is a bit of a stretch. Such errors happen on a fairly regular basis, and they are corrected quickly. There is much more to the story than some fat-fingered trade. Or is the same trader to blame for the fall in Asia tonight? I will hold off on drawing any premature conclusions on today's action. I will say that equities are still heavily detached from economic fundamentals.
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 11:06 PM
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19. First typing error by a trader, ever
None of them have ever typed the wrong 'letter' before! Really!

Hey, it could have been worse! He could have pressed the 'T' key instead...


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The abyss Donating Member (930 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 11:17 PM
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20. Monopoly money 101
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 11:39 PM
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23. How easy that was to manipulate the market.....
whether intentional or not...

I am shocked, I tell ya!

:sarcasm:
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 01:17 AM
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25. If CNBC said it, it must be false Corporate InfoPravda
What are they trying to cover up here? What scam and manipulation (and millions or billions stolen, I would guess)?

It's back to the 1890s for Wall Street, and they are as thoroughly corrupt and untrustworthy now as they were then.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 01:57 AM
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26. It is this excuses alone that makes me think it was a major screw up that has them skeerd.
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 11:32 AM
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27. Very skeptical of anything CNBC says
Wall Street has a very vested interest in blaming a person, since placing the blame where it belongs (computer trading) mean regulating the practice.
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