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The abyss Donating Member (930 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 09:07 PM
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World's biggest beaver dam discovered in northern Canada
Source: yahoo/afp

OTTAWA (AFP) – A Canadian ecologist has discovered the world's largest beaver dam in a remote area of northern Alberta, an animal-made structure so large it is visible from space.
Researcher Jean Thie said Wednesday he used satellite imagery and Google Earth software to locate the dam, which is about 850 metres (2,800 feet) long on the southern edge of Wood Buffalo National Park.
Average beaver dams in Canada are 10 to 100 metres long, and only rarely do they reach 500 metres.
First discovered in October 2007, the gigantic dam is located in a virtually inaccessible part of the park south of Lac Claire, about 190 kilometres (120 miles) northeast of Fort McMurray.
Construction of the dam likely started in the mid-1970s, said Thie, who made his discovery quite by accident while tracking melting permafrost in Canada's far north.
"Several generations of beavers worked on it and it's still growing," he told AFP in Ottawa.




Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100505/sc_afp/canadascienceenvironmentanimalbeaver
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Skink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 09:12 PM
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1. You said beaver.
:beer:
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Kablooie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 12:09 AM
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20. You said dam.
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conspirator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 08:42 AM
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27. You mean Vagina? nt
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 09:20 PM
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theoldman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 09:21 PM
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3. I guess they were busy as a beaver.
There are a few beavers in the DFW area but they do not build dams. They live in existing ponds and the Trinity river.
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 09:24 PM
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4. I sent this to the greatest page
because of the word beaver. I admit it.
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 09:30 PM
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5. I do not like that they told where it was. When beavers build a dam it is actually an
ecological wonder as well as an accomplishment of purpose. I love the darn little critters. So under-appreciated. Just am worried some ass hole will try to blow it up.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 10:18 PM
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6. That's a very uninhabited area
It's very hard to get into that area, so the beavers are probably ok.
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U4ikLefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 11:18 PM
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11. Tough to get near the beaver.
story of my life
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47of74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-10 08:05 AM
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48. Mine too
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 07:43 AM
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24. Wonder if there might be grizzlies or polar bears wandering around that area as well?

That should be a deterrent to assholes.



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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 10:44 AM
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32. There would be plenty of black bears, maybe wolves
It's too far south for polar bears (though they have been coming farther south lately). That part of Alberta isn't noted for grizzly - it's in the far northeast, rather than anywhere near the mountains.

There is no all-year road into the area, as far as I know (I am not sure about ice roads). The closest road access is from the north, which is an extra day's drive, at least, via the Northwest Territories. Even then, that just gets you to the northern part of the park. You would probably need a long boat trip, or a float plane to get near the southern part of the park.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 11:01 PM
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7. K&R
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RollWithIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 11:03 PM
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8. Soon they will learn to make fire and get a copy of the Viet Cong Survival Handbook......
Then we are doomed.


Seriously, smart animals.
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Archae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 11:04 PM
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9. That's not the biggest Beaver Dam.
There's a bigger one here in WI. ;-)
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 03:40 PM
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37. Been there---- Hwy 151
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-10 11:34 PM
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53. Here's another article from AFP
Edited on Sat May-08-10 11:56 PM by rocktivity
It also says that the biggest beaver dam in the U.S. (and now the second biggest one in the world) is a "652-meter structure in Three Forks...Montana."

:headbang:
rocktivity
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U4ikLefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 11:11 PM
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10. Did Stephanie Miller cover this one yet?
I missed her show today...damn!!!
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47of74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-10 08:06 AM
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49. If not I mailed it to her
Pretty sure it wasn't on Thursday's show, and I'm about 1/2 way through Friday's show.
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guitar man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 11:47 PM
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12. Was Wynona
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Union Yes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 11:49 PM
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13. "Nice beaver. Thanks, I just had it stuffed."
Best movie line ever- Naked Gun
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 11:57 PM
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14. Uh huh huh huh huh huh huh... beaver.
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SoapBox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 12:07 AM
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19. ROFL!
Sorry...but...that's REALLY (from a guy point of view, I guess) FUNNY!
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 12:01 AM
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15. Big enough to be seen from outer space?
On Google maps I can look at my house and see the variegated pittosporum growing in my flowerbed. They're perhaps 3 feet across.

I pointed my parents to the right coordinates to see the apt. building we used to live in. They IDed our car. Its door was open. OMG, a car door big enough to be seen from outer space. It must have been huge!

This is a huge beaver dam. But its visibility via Google isn't a big deal. I'm surprised they couldn't ID the beavers involved. And that's with the publicly available images.
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 12:05 AM
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17. Doesn't "visible from space" usually mean "visible with the unaided eye?"
Sure, they located it using Google imagery, but I understood the article to mean that the dam itself is large enough to be seen from space without the aid of telescopes or zoom lenses.


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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 08:40 AM
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26. Yeah, I noticed that stoopid statement too.
Hell, with Google maps I can see my car in my driveway.
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 08:53 AM
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30. I can see our four foot by four foot sandbox.
Let's call it the eighth wonder of the world!
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 05:30 PM
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40. Still a meaningless metric

Yesterday I saw a penny on the sidewalk from an elevation of about six feet. I therefore confirm that the penny was visible from space with the unaided eye.

In fact, I was in geosynchronous orbit at the time, as I usually am.

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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 05:58 PM
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42. I've never heard the phrase used except to mean "outside of the planet's atmosphere" sort of context
It's meaningless insofar as you wouldn't want to calibrate your avionics equipment based on it, but in the spirit of best-guess-ery, I think it serves reasonably well.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-10 12:46 AM
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43. The earth is not in space?

I'll bet the term "space" is more frequently used in connection with parking than with a location beyond the atmosphere.

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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-10 05:59 AM
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44. You're putting me on, right?
If you're sitting in your backyard with your friend, and you decide that you'd like a beer from the refrigerator in the house, do you say "stend by while I venture into space to retrieve a cold one?"



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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-10 07:20 AM
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45. Depends on how many beers I've already had
Edited on Sat May-08-10 07:27 AM by jberryhill
The gravitational anomalies kick in after about two of them.

But, let's take your definition. The Andromeda galaxy is in space, yes? Can you see the beaver dam, or even the planet earth, from there with the named eye?

No, you can't. So this "visible from space" thing remains meaningless unless you specify WHERE in space you are. You could say that a thing subtends an arc of a given angle from a specified distance, but that is merely a really stupid way to specify its dimensions in the first place. The term "visible from space" is wholly without definite meaning, and reflects a medieval mindset wherein space is "out there" and we are "here" in some sense suggesting we are separate from the cosmos. You, me, and everyone on DU is in space already.
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pokercat999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-10 07:35 AM
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46. And after a dozen or so the gravity storms are so prevalent and
strong that you can hardly stand and walking becomes impossible.My guess is that is what was wrong with the guys on the moon...notice how the jumped and hopped all around? I think they drank their way to the moon, they were after-all riding in a glorified beer can.The gravity storms must have been fierce.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-10 08:00 AM
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47. I see a journal article in the making here...

Measurements Of Alcohol Induced Gravitational Anomalies In Localized Planetary Fields
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-10 08:49 PM
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54. What is worse....
gravity storms, or High Gravity? :)
http://www.steelbrewing.com/
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Thor_MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-10 01:14 PM
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51. Why does everyone assume Google Maps=Satellite Imagery?
The more zoomed views are arial photography, as in pictures from airplanes. Rural areas may be only satellite images, but the close in views in populated are from planes.
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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 12:01 AM
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16. great, Now leave it - and them - alone!
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SoapBox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 12:06 AM
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18. "I'm a Beaver...You're a Beaver...We are Beavers All..."
"and when we get together, we give the Beaver call!"

(fill in here with a Beaver sound)

Sheesh...stop glaring at me!

This was from a school I went to...we were the Beavers.

...it's still funny though. :)
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Kablooie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 12:10 AM
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21. That's terrifying. Do you think it will eat Canada?
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colsohlibgal Donating Member (670 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 12:16 AM
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22. Wow!
My guess is that this is a lock to make an appearance tomorrow in a Stephanie Miller Show "Beaver File" report.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 07:20 AM
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23. Nice beaver...
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 08:20 AM
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25. I love this story--BIgger than Hover Dam
and built with the technological advances of a 3 1/2 foot long semi-aquatic furry mammal. ;) Heh Heh...
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druidity33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 08:47 AM
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28. are there pics? nt.
:)


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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-10 10:02 AM
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50. ***PIC***
Edited on Sat May-08-10 10:03 AM by underpants
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 08:51 AM
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29. Obviously a Union job...
If you want it done right the first time around!
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 09:06 AM
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31. Mrs. Cleaver, the neighbor want to talk to you about your Beaver. nt
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Roon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 12:30 PM
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35. Ward?
I think you were a little rough on the beaver last night.
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Union Yes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 11:23 AM
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33. Nuke Canada!
It's the 'Murkan way!

:sarcasm:
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 12:00 PM
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34. I made this Web page for a friend
I guess I didn't charge her enough!

http://www.profitonlineforbeginners.com/free-article-marketing-tutorial

:headbang:
rocktivity
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drmeow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 12:43 PM
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36. Thank you
Coming straight off a post about the Gulf, this post really lifted my spirits.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 04:43 PM
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38. I offer a toast to Canadian beavers everywhere.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 05:31 PM
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41. You shouldn't feed them baked goods /nt
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Thor_MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-10 01:18 PM
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52. Will beavers appreciate products made with yeast?
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Hassin Bin Sober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 05:05 PM
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39. Maybe we can sick 'em on the Gulf spill?
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