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IScreamSundays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 08:31 AM
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Oil spill solutions uncertain, slick spreads west
Source: Reuters

Fears mounted of a prolonged and growing environmental and economic disaster for the U.S. Gulf Coast after a weekend setback in an initial undersea move by the oil giant to contain the spill, which could become the worst in U.S. history.

BP Chief Operating Officer Doug Suttles said the company, facing enormous pressure from the U.S. government and public, was pursuing multiple possible technical solutions in a bid to contain its gushing seabed well and eventually plug it.

"What we've been doing is pushing parallel paths because we don't know which one's going to work," he told CNN.

BP said on Monday it had incurred $350 million in costs so far from the spill, suggesting the final bill could be much higher than many analysts predicted.

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Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6430AR20100510
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 08:56 AM
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1. Poor BP
"BP said on Monday it had incurred $350 million in costs so far from the spill, suggesting the final bill could be much higher than many analysts predicted."

Not enough - this should bankrupt them forever. Bastards.

When will get off the oil teat!?!? Had we listened to President Carter we'd be there.
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 09:26 AM
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2. That is because Carter was a visionary
And they hate visionaries.
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sasquuatch55 Donating Member (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 10:20 AM
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8. Yea Reagan put us where we are today; decades behind Carters' vision for alternatives.
nt
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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 10:31 AM
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10. $350 Million? - heck - just take a few CEO's bonuses
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That should cover it.

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Winterblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 11:49 AM
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12. Or borrow from Exxon. during the Bush* Cheney Cabal era they made
OVER One Hundred Million dollatrs a DAY NET PROFIT after every single expense had been paid. OVER One Hundred Million Dollars a Day day in and day out week after week, month after month, year after year for six straight years.. What BP has spent is only three and a half day's NET Profit for Exxon and BP did extremely well during the same time frame.... I don't feel the slightest bit sorry for them, but for the Earth I feel horible.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 09:50 AM
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3. My guess is more oil is spilling into the gulf than even the worst case scenarios
being reported and that the government, BP, and the media are all fully aware of that.

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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 10:01 AM
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4. I agree, I haven't heard anything to counter that
This is going to be terrible for the whole world. Its seems fitting that it would happen here because of the 'free open range capitalism' we have.
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tomm2thumbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 10:04 AM
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5. I agree

when has anyone ever told the real danger ahead of time - reverting to the 'need to know' and 'national security' argument always works for those in power

'aw, don't tell 'em anything - they'll just get upset..' same 'ol story, different players

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gulfbreeze Donating Member (128 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 10:20 AM
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7. 5 times greater as per Pensacola News Journal!
according to scientists and scholars from Florida's academic intitutions. They estimate the blowout is gushing 25,000 barrels a day vs 5,000 reported by the coast guard and BP.

http://www.pnj.com/article/20100510/NEWS01/5100314
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 10:05 AM
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6. I'd better stock up on shrimp and clams.
And I'm not even going to eat that Vietnamese Grouper, aka catfish.
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suzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 10:28 AM
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9. I love catfish.
And it's about the only farmed fish that doesn't require the use of other fish for food.
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 12:13 PM
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13. I do too
I just don't like paying grouper prices for it.

Grouper is better, and I want it caught fresh in the Gulf of Mexico. Looks like that's gone.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 01:04 PM
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16. stock up on Grouper as well ..The fishermen said they are the first to go because they swim at 600
Edited on Mon May-10-10 01:05 PM by flyarm
ft under ..and that is the first place the oil is migrating!

they are all fucking liars..the corps the government ..all of them! and they are all fucking blood suckers!

as long as their pickets are greased and they can get elected and have power..they don't give a fuck what they are doing to our environment!

I am so over all of the bullshit and lies and deceit and the pandering because our guy won..when we won nothing but more and more destruction to our planet.

Now I am supposed to be elated that a woman is being put on the Supreme court when these bastards couldn't smear women enough during the election cycle..whipppppp fucking eee..remember when we were the "C" word during the primaries..

and do remember this.............
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ahhh the strange bedfellows.....remember Dashle who pushed Obama during our primaries..and was one of his top advisors...........working with Whitman..the lady who lied about the air quality at Ground zero in NY?? Can i tickle your memory..she lied and people died and keep dying!! And that is just one example..

Spill, Baby, Spill
By Michael Isikoff, Ian Yarett and Matthew Philips | NEWSWEEK
From the magazine issue dated May 10, 2010

BP has been trying hard to burnish its public image in recent years after being hit with a pair of environmental disasters, including a fatal refinery explosion in Texas and a pipeline leak in Alaska. One major step was to announce, in 2007, that it had hired a high-powered advisory board that included former EPA director Christine Todd Whitman, former Senate majority leader Tom Daschle, and Leon Panetta, who were each paid $120,000 a year. (Panetta left when he became President Obama's CIA director.) Two years ago the oil giant's chief executive, Robert Malone, flew board members out to the Gulf of Mexico on a helicopter to demonstrate the safeguards surrounding BP's advanced drilling technology. "We got a sense they were really committed to ensuring they got it right," Whitman told NEWSWEEK.

Now BP, formerly known as British Petroleum, finds itself blamed for what could prove to be the worst oil spill in U.S. history. And only weeks after Obama announced an ambitious plan to open up more U.S. offshore waters to oil drilling, shunting aside environmental concerns from his own Democratic Party, his administration is facing a comeuppance from hell. "There was a lot of wishful thinking, I guess," says Villy Kourafalou, a scientist at the University of Miami's Rosensteil School of Marine and Atmospheric Science. "The new technologies were said to be so wonderful that we'd never have an oil spill again." Rep. Frank Pallone (D-N.J.), who had sought to block the expanded drilling, says the oil and gas industry was pushing this idea hard. "They said, 'We'll never have a repeat of Santa Barbara,'?" referring to the 1969 rig explosion off the California coast. Both the Bush and Obama administrations "were buying the line that the technology was fine," Pallone adds.

BP pressed hard to make that point in D.C. Its PR efforts included payments of $16 million last year to a battery of Washington lobbyists, among them the firm of Tony Podesta, the brother of former Obama transition chief John Podesta. Last fall, after the U.S. Interior Department proposed tighter federal regulation of oil companies' environmental programs, David Rainey, BP's vice president for Gulf of Mexico exploration, told Congress that the proposal was unnecessary. "I think we need to remember," he said, that offshore drilling "has been going on for the last 50 years, and it has been going on in a way that is both safe and protective of the environment."

Read the full article at:

http://www.newsweek.com/id/237298

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You should also look at this and the Loop currents ..from Tampa news..!0 Connects ..Tampa Bay Fl..great map of Loop Current.

Oil Spill: Loop Current and winds

http://www.wtsp.com/news/mostpop/story.aspx?storyid=131...

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Since spill, feds have given 27 waivers to oil companies in gulf
Source: McClatchy

Since spill, feds have given 27 waivers to oil companies in gulf

By Marisa Taylor | McClatchy Newspapers

WASHINGTON — Since the Deepwater Horizon oil drilling rig exploded April 20, the Obama administration has granted oil and gas companies at least 27 exemptions from doing in-depth environmental studies of oil exploration and production in the Gulf of Mexico.

The waivers were granted despite President Barack Obama's vow that his administration would launch a "relentless response effort" to stop the leak and prevent more damage to the gulf. One of them was dated Friday — the day after Interior Secretary Ken Salazar said he was temporarily halting offshore drilling.

The exemptions, known as "categorical exclusions," were granted by the Interior Department's Minerals Management Service, or MMS, and included waiving detailed environmental studies for a British Petroleum exploration plan to be conducted at a depth of more than 4,000 feet and an Anadarko Petroleum Corp. exploration plan at more 9,000 feet.

"Is there a moratorium on offshore drilling or not?" asked Peter Galvin, the conservation director at the Center for Biological Diversity, the environmental group that discovered the administration's continued approval of the exemptions. "Possibly the worst environmental disaster in U.S. history has occurred, and nothing appears to have changed."

Read more: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/05/07/93761/despite-spi...

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and never forget this..we Floridans won't!!!


YouTube - Barack Obama on Offshore Oil Drilling ( to Florida voters while asking for their votes)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8fkbEuCQss&NR=1

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and this...........

Obama: “Oil Rigs Today Generally Don’t Cause Spills” | FDL News Desk

see the Video at link..

What a difference 18 days makes. Here was Barack Obama, on April 2, before the BP oil rig disaster in the Gulf of Mexico, claiming that oil rigs are safe to justify his position on offshore drilling:

I don’t agree with the notion that we shouldn’t do anything. It turns out, by the way, that oil rigs today generally don’t cause spills. They are technologically very advanced. Even during Katrina, the spills didn’t come from the oil rigs, they came from the refineries onshore.

Not only does this quote look ridiculous in hindsight, it wasn’t true at the time, as Brad Johnson points out:

Obama’s claim that oil rigs did not cause any spills during Hurricane Katrina is simply false, as the Wonk Room reported in June, 2008, when Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) and other conservatives made the same false claim:

Hurricanes Katrina and Rita Caused 124 Offshore Spills For A Total Of 743,700 Gallons. 554,400 gallons were crude oil and condensate from platforms, rigs and pipelines, and 189,000 gallons were refined products from platforms and rigs.

Hurricanes Katrina and Rita Caused Six Offshore Spills Of 42,000 Gallons Or Greater. The largest of these was 152,250 gallons, well over the 100,000 gallon threshhold considered a “major spill.”


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Vilis Veritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 11:02 AM
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11. As soon as BP announced the failure to place the dome...
Obama should have declared this event a National Emergency and started pulling in all our resources. Oh wait, BP is a big donor...

I feel like I am watching a SNL skit with Jon Lovitz..."Yea, see, we are going to vacuum up the oil with a big...uh...vacuum, yea, that's the ticket."

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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 12:20 PM
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14. in FEEL BAD NEWS: Scientists say soiled birds have only a 1% chance of survival after cleaning nt
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Magleetis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 12:29 PM
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15. The gulf is toast
How depressing.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 01:09 PM
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17. as is the Gulf Stream and the entire Atlantic seaboard! once this oil hits the
Edited on Mon May-10-10 01:14 PM by flyarm
Gulf Stream ..it will go all the way up past Maine!

I hope all those bastards in DC are cashing their BP checks ..before those bastards declare bankruptsy and take a hike!

In fact I hope those bastards in DC choke on their damn checks!

Because people all up and down the Gulf have been choking on the fucking chemicals and Smoke and shit those bastards, have not only put in our Gulf ..but in our air!..We have not only been choking ..but our eyes have burned and our lungs!..and did I tell you about the headaches????????

and do not believe for one city second this is the work of one party in DC..it is not and don't let anyone tell you it is!!

look at this and the Loop currents ..from Tampa news..!0 Connects ..Tampa Bay Fl..great map of Loop Current.

Oil Spill: Loop Current and winds

http://www.wtsp.com/news/mostpop/story.aspx?storyid=131 ...


see my post #16!
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Magleetis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 01:25 PM
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18. That page is gone.
I hear you loud and clear. The worlds oceans are in danger and it continues to flow.
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 01:56 PM
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19. do a news search for "loop current" and you'll find where it moved to.
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 02:50 PM
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20. We on the Atlantic Coast are with you Flyarm
Today I feel like I'm in mourning for the fragile Gulf and Atlantic coasts. Can't shake it. And we haven't even seen the worst of it yet. Not nearly.

And yet it's just business as usual for most people. We have been so beaten down by political, social, and environmental assaults it's hard to get outraged anymore. The PTB depend on that passivity.

I feel your pain and admire your anger.

:grouphug: for those who care about the disaster in the Gulf--America's Chernobyl?!? :cry:
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 03:19 PM
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21. "America The Beautiful
God shed his grace on thee..."

And then a bunch of corporate, greedy, bastards fucked it up.
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